From hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz Wed Feb 26 03:05:13 2003 From: hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz (Daniel Hopkirk) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:37 2004 Subject: [hbpm] Site Update Notification Message-ID: <002b01c2dd76$2c2de580$1500a8c0@ubiquity> Hawkes Bay Perl Mongers - Site Broadcast A minor site update occurred @ 26/02/2003, 10:02NZDT Regards, Daniel Hopkirk http://hawkesbay.pm.org ICQ#:39905948 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/hawkesbay/attachments/20030226/ede86c2b/attachment.htm From george at metaart.org Wed Feb 26 15:30:47 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:37 2004 Subject: [hbpm] The Open Source Revolution Message-ID: <200302261330.47033.george@metaart.org> Recently, I read and reviewed two books that are related to the subject of this email: "Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software" "Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution" The reviews are at: http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/free.html http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/open.html Any comments? From george at metaart.org Wed Feb 26 17:29:25 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:37 2004 Subject: [hbpm] Fwd: GNU and recursion Message-ID: <200302261529.25180.george@metaart.org> My understanding from the GNU project site is that: GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix'" So I'm thinking: GNU(0) equals GNU GNU(1) equals GNU's Not Unix My first question: what do you think GNU(2), GNU(3), etc. equal? And my second question: what would the Perl code then look like for generating the values of GNU(0), GNU(1), GNU(2), etc.? From george at metaart.org Wed Feb 26 17:39:06 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:37 2004 Subject: [hbpm] Blogging? Message-ID: <200302261539.06868.george@metaart.org> Is anyone here interested in blogging? I did a review of "Essential Blogging". See: http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/blogging.html With very little effort, I got Blosxom running which is powered by a single short Perl program. Any thoughts on Blosxom or the review? From hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz Fri Feb 28 02:10:07 2003 From: hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz (Daniel Hopkirk) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:37 2004 Subject: [hbpm] The Open Source Revolution References: <200302261330.47033.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <005801c2df00$cee16ff0$1500a8c0@ubiquity> Hmmm, they sound good. I am gonna have to see if I can pick up a copy! =] Regards, Daniel Hopkirk http://hawkesbay.pm.org ICQ#:39905948 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Woolley" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: [hbpm] The Open Source Revolution > Recently, I read and reviewed two books > that are related to the subject of this email: > "Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software" > "Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution" > The reviews are at: > http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/free.html > http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/open.html > > Any comments? > _______________________________________________ > Hawkesbay mailing list > Hawkesbay@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkesbay From george at metaart.org Fri Feb 28 02:22:34 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:37 2004 Subject: [hbpm] The Open Source Revolution In-Reply-To: <005801c2df00$cee16ff0$1500a8c0@ubiquity> References: <200302261330.47033.george@metaart.org> <005801c2df00$cee16ff0$1500a8c0@ubiquity> Message-ID: <200302280022.34417.george@metaart.org> If you do get a chance to look at either of them, I'll be very interested in your comments. -- George On Friday 28 February 2003 12:10 am, Daniel Hopkirk wrote: > Hmmm, they sound good. I am gonna have to see if I can pick up a copy! > =] > > > Regards, > Daniel Hopkirk > http://hawkesbay.pm.org > ICQ#:39905948 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Woolley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:30 AM > Subject: [hbpm] The Open Source Revolution > > > Recently, I read and reviewed two books > > that are related to the subject of this email: > > "Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software" > > "Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution" > > The reviews are at: > > http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/free.html > > http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/open.html > > > > Any comments? From george at metaart.org Fri Feb 28 03:04:02 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:37 2004 Subject: [hbpm] Review of Safari Bookshelf Message-ID: <200302280104.02137.george@metaart.org> I recently reviewed the O'Reilly Network Safari Bookshelf. Safari gives you access on-line to well over 1000 computer related books. For example, I used it recently to select a book to read and review. I read the book using Safari, and then, while writing the review, I did a lot of searches on Safari to find passages on particular subjects, etc. The review of Safari is at: http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/safari.html Any comments? From hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz Fri Feb 28 02:31:16 2003 From: hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz (Daniel Hopkirk) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:37 2004 Subject: [hbpm] Blogging? References: <200302261539.06868.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <006301c2df60$60ce9140$1500a8c0@ubiquity> www.blogger.com provides a hosted blogging service. Until a few days before this post I didn't know what blogging was either, then I got pointed to that site. At that point, I rapidly realised that it is a very basic message board or forum variation. I made something similar on my intranet site. You post an item, and it displays it at the top (usually) of the list! Now, I don't presume to know all the finer details, and I am sure that blogging in its true sense must involve a bit more, but that is the general gist that I get. And as for the review (Since that was the real question), nice work. I am going to have to read it more thoroughly when I have time, as I only skimmed it. I cant say that I have ever heard of Blosxom! Have you found it to be very complex, or is it the sort of thing that you could whip together yourself in an hour or two? I prefer to do my own scripts where possible. How useful do you think blogging is to the average web site? What uses does it fulfil? Regards, Daniel Hopkirk http://hawkesbay.pm.org ICQ#:39905948 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Woolley" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: [hbpm] Blogging? > Is anyone here interested in blogging? > > I did a review of "Essential Blogging". See: > http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/blogging.html > With very little effort, > I got Blosxom running > which is powered by a single short Perl program. > > Any thoughts on Blosxom or the review? > > > _______________________________________________ > Hawkesbay mailing list > Hawkesbay@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkesbay From reneb at paradise.net.nz Fri Feb 28 15:00:10 2003 From: reneb at paradise.net.nz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Bartosh?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:37 2004 Subject: [hbpm] hello from the shadows Message-ID: <001401c2df6c$61df95a0$9e9660cb@bartosh1> Hi guys ( theres only 3 now includin me , isint there?) i sometimes write shell script in linux under bash for no particular reaseon so i thought this group needs some more members so i signed up. im also the webmaster for the hblug site -- http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bartosh/index.html -- were kinda like sister groups ;-) From hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz Fri Feb 28 15:13:59 2003 From: hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz (Daniel Hopkirk) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] hello from the shadows References: <001401c2df6c$61df95a0$9e9660cb@bartosh1> Message-ID: <008a01c2df6e$502788c0$1500a8c0@ubiquity> Nice one Rene. My name is Daniel and I am the Admin/Webmaster for this list and the HBPM site. Other than you and I, there are two other subscribers at the moment. I am sure they will introduce themselves. As for the site, it gets updated when I can. So far on the next minor update I plan to add a link to your HBLUG site, aswell as the Oakland PM site (You will understand the choice eventually) Shell programming is very similar to Perl scripting. The difference is that one is being executed by the shell, the other by Perl (I know... DUH!). But this effects the commands that you can call. And means that you can use the Perl scripts on any platform with Perl installed (With the right tweaking occasionally), and are not limited to a *nix OS. In saying that, I hate Windows! so Linux is my OS of choice. Also, Perl is one of the most widely used languages for CGI scripting, and that is currently my main use of it. Anyway, thanks for joining us. I look forward to sharing our knowledge with you and visa-versa. Regards, Daniel Hopkirk http://hawkesbay.pm.org ICQ#:39905948 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ren? Bartosh To: hawkesbay@mail.pm.org Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: [hbpm] hello from the shadows Hi guys ( theres only 3 now includin me , isint there?) i sometimes write shell script in linux under bash for no particular reaseon so i thought this group needs some more members so i signed up. im also the webmaster for the hblug site -- http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bartosh/index.html -- were kinda like sister groups ;-) From Rene Bartosh, reneb@paradise.net.nz 06 844 6687 0211021322 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/hawkesbay/attachments/20030301/b0ef28ee/attachment.htm From george at metaart.org Fri Feb 28 18:51:45 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] Blogging? In-Reply-To: <006301c2df60$60ce9140$1500a8c0@ubiquity> References: <200302261539.06868.george@metaart.org> <006301c2df60$60ce9140$1500a8c0@ubiquity> Message-ID: <200302281651.45735.george@metaart.org> I'll try to speak to your questions. > ...... Have you found it to be very > complex, or is it the sort of thing that you could whip together yourself > in an hour or two? ...... Bloxsom is very simple. If you are interested in creating a really minimalist blogging system, my suggestion would be to download it and install it and then do something trivial with it. At that point, you could very well feel like writing your own. I don't think writing your own would take long. > ...... How useful do you think blogging is to the average web site? ..... My thought is that blogging is likely not that useful for the average site. > ...... What uses does it fulfil? ...... For me, it's main use is for sharing ideas, feelings, etc. (artistic, technical, political -- it doesn't matter) in their formative stages. For example, I might well read a blog by Larry Wall where he shared his thoughts on Perl day by day. -- George Aside: As far as I can tell Larry Wall doesn't have a blog. While looking into that a tiny bit, I came across the following interesting (to me) interview with Larry Wall that I had not previously read: http://lwn.net/2001/features/LarryWall/ On Friday 28 February 2003 12:31 am, Daniel Hopkirk wrote: > www.blogger.com provides a hosted blogging service. > > Until a few days before this post I didn't know what blogging was either, > then I got pointed to that site. At that point, I rapidly realised that it > is a very basic message board or forum variation. I made something similar > on my intranet site. You post an item, and it displays it at the top > (usually) of the list! > > Now, I don't presume to know all the finer details, and I am sure that > blogging in its true sense must involve a bit more, but that is the general > gist that I get. > > And as for the review (Since that was the real question), nice work. I am > going to have to read it more thoroughly when I have time, as I only > skimmed it. > I cant say that I have ever heard of Blosxom! Have you found it to be very > complex, or is it the sort of thing that you could whip together yourself > in an hour or two? I prefer to do my own scripts where possible. > > How useful do you think blogging is to the average web site? What uses does > it fulfil? > > Regards, > Daniel Hopkirk > http://hawkesbay.pm.org > ICQ#:39905948 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Woolley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:39 PM > Subject: [hbpm] Blogging? > > > Is anyone here interested in blogging? > > > > I did a review of "Essential Blogging". See: > > http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/blogging.html > > With very little effort, > > I got Blosxom running > > which is powered by a single short Perl program. > > > > Any thoughts on Blosxom or the review? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hawkesbay mailing list > > Hawkesbay@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkesbay > > _______________________________________________ > Hawkesbay mailing list > Hawkesbay@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkesbay