From dszarowicz at usxchange.com Thu Aug 5 14:16:06 1999 From: dszarowicz at usxchange.com (Daniel Szarowicz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Perl 5 Reference Guide Message-ID: <93B92FC2535DD111A85A00805F1565CB03175B41@usxc-gdrp-nt1.usxchange.com> GR Perl Mongers - Below are 2 WEB links to get your own copy of the Perl 5 Reference Guide. This is the guide we spoke of in our last meeting and might save you $6.95. Hope it helps! One link is to an HTML (on-line version) and the other is to a PDF version. http://www.perl.com/reference/guides/perl5.html http://www.libera.com/perl/ Thanks - Daniel Szarowicz NOC System Administrator 616-493-6295 * From mattandap at allegan.net Thu Aug 5 14:23:57 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Speaking of the Last Meeting ... References: <93B92FC2535DD111A85A00805F1565CB03175B41@usxc-gdrp-nt1.usxchange.com> Message-ID: <000c01bedf78$119e2900$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> > This is the guide we spoke of in our last meeting... Speaking of the last meeting - Does anyone have minutes for our web page? Are we meeting at steelcase corporate HQ again in August? thanks, Matt H. "Integrity, Service before self, and Excellence in all we do." - The USAF Core Values From steve at bbdltd.com Fri Aug 6 09:48:53 1999 From: steve at bbdltd.com (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Perl 5 Reference Guide In-Reply-To: <93B92FC2535DD111A85A00805F1565CB03175B41@usxc-gdrp-nt1.usxchange.com> Message-ID: <000b01bee01a$cdda2630$6437a8c0@webmaster> For future reference, I've added the Perl 5 Reference Guide links to my technical reference page along with a link to Amazon.com where you can buy the printed version. You can also find, in Word 97 format, the presentation "The Perl DBI" that I made at the last meeting. Regards, sj From steve at bbdltd.com Fri Aug 6 10:01:44 1999 From: steve at bbdltd.com (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Perl 5 Reference Guide In-Reply-To: <000b01bee01a$cdda2630$6437a8c0@webmaster> Message-ID: <001001bee01c$99302d10$6437a8c0@webmaster> The website is at http://www.bbdltd.com and the stuff is under the tech nav link. -----Original Message----- From: owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org [mailto:owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org]On Behalf Of Steve Johnson Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 10:49 AM To: 'Grand-Rapids-Pm-List@Happyfunball. Pm. Org' Subject: RE: Perl 5 Reference Guide For future reference, I've added the Perl 5 Reference Guide links to my technical reference page along with a link to Amazon.com where you can buy the printed version. You can also find, in Word 97 format, the presentation "The Perl DBI" that I made at the last meeting. Regards, sj From bgathen at usxchange.com Fri Aug 6 13:06:21 1999 From: bgathen at usxchange.com (Gathen, Bill) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: More "cheat sheets" Message-ID: <93B92FC2535DD111A85A00805F1565CB041C8217@usxc-gdrp-nt1.usxchange.com> Since we seem to be interested in reference cards & cheat sheets, here's a good link: http://www.refcards.com Featuring: * Apache * mod_perl * GNU emacs * GDB (GNU debugger) * Emacs Calc * Plain TeX * AMSTeX * ANSI C From mattandap at allegan.net Fri Aug 6 15:24:31 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Bursting Bubbles References: <01BEE013.26CB2300@uranus.pcr.com> Message-ID: <001601bee049$b1d1be60$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> Steelcase is out for the Aug. 27th meeting. --- As of my latest e-mail from Scott Sroka, dated 8/5/99 at 5:00PM ... -- other ideas? Matt H. "Integrity, Service before self, and Excellence in all we do." - The USAF Core Values= From joelm at blueribbon.com Sun Aug 8 00:49:38 1999 From: joelm at blueribbon.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Bursting Bubbles Message-ID: <001c01bee161$ce14cea0$0201a8c0@ansible01.ansible.firm> Keith Sederholm has graciously arranged for GR.pm to meet at Priority Health this month. He has reserved Board Rooms B & C (adjoining), which should be plenty of space. There's no cafeteria, so it's bring-your-own-food though. Any oppositions to such an arrangement? +JoEl -----Original Message----- From: Matt Heusser To: grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Date: Friday, August 06, 1999 4:26 PM Subject: Bursting Bubbles >Steelcase is out for the Aug. 27th meeting. > --- As of my latest e-mail from Scott Sroka, dated >8/5/99 at 5:00PM ... > > -- other ideas? > >Matt H. >"Integrity, Service before self, > and Excellence in all we do." > - The USAF Core Values= > > > From mattandap at allegan.net Mon Aug 9 07:46:01 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Priority Health References: <001c01bee161$ce14cea0$0201a8c0@ansible01.ansible.firm> Message-ID: <003201bee265$249e9720$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> 1) Can someone please post the traditional link-to-mapquest with directions? >There's no cafeteria, so it's bring-your-own-food though. about catering .... 2) My votes are for Pizza Hut (delivery) or Taco Bell Grande Meals (Carry-out). but I'll leave it up to the hosts ... regards, Matt H. "Integrity, Service before self, and Excellence in all we do." - The USAF Core Values From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 16:34:33 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Map to Priority Health Message-ID: <19990810213433.18899.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Attached MS Word document. Also, just is case you've managed to eschew MS-unproductivity-app domination, here's a MapQuest URL: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=ia-map-result&zoom_level=8&mscsid=&uid=u4600co2gd58q6bv:2s54a2luz&SNVData=7%3d%2a%26:%3d%2a%26:%3dq0%40w5wzwh%26_gd-8w967x%2a2vv%28waw5wt%3bn16-%29r8shu7%3bpo5vv%3bbau.9mk89v%280zx%242sbj2%7cw%245m6nd%7cl%24HQJ9oxiw%3ba%3bBBDnklqrkq%7cl%24HQJ92vv%286,QXO2cw8%7c2%24HQJ9oxiw%3ba%3bBBDnklqrkq%7cl%24HQJ92vv%28waw5wt%3bBBDnn16-%29r8shu7%3bF5s8BBD-%24nle%28yyxu%26:%3d%2a%26: _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PH_GR_Map.doc Type: application/msword Size: 67072 bytes Desc: PH_GR_Map.doc Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/grand-rapids-pm-list/attachments/19990810/fcf18dce/PH_GR_Map.doc From mattandap at allegan.net Wed Aug 11 07:31:03 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Recruiters References: <19990810213433.18899.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <005401bee3f5$616bcce0$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> -- I just got an e-mail from a IBM Recruiter in Detroit, looking for perl and/or microsoft specialists. (Let me know if you'd like a fwd of the e-mail) Which brings up a question: We don't have a policy regarding recruiters. Should we? I know that NY.PM tells them to go away rather forcefully. I would tend to say "let them post", but then I'm afraid we'd become alt.perl.jobs.gr (grins) just $0.02, Matt H. "Integrity, Service before self, and Excellence in all we do." - The USAF Core Values From Tim.Maletic at priority-health.com Thu Aug 12 09:52:56 1999 From: Tim.Maletic at priority-health.com (Maletic, Tim) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Recruiters Message-ID: <83254446C33AD311B925000092A767E502B09B@yap.internal.priority-health.com> Matt wrote: > Which brings up a question: We don't have a > policy regarding recruiters. Should we? I know > that NY.PM tells them to go away rather forcefully. > > I would tend to say "let them post", but then I'm afraid > we'd become alt.perl.jobs.gr (grins) (Being happily employed...) I'm annoyed enough by recruiters over the phone; I'd hate to see them able to openly post to this list. I vote that the list be configured so that only members can post to it (it *is* configured that way, right?), and that only true-hearted, West Michigan perl mongers be allowed to join it. That way, recruiters will have to find an insider to post for them (as Matt opted to do). (And if the posts get to be too much, we'll have someone local to flame:) -Tim From Rick.Siner at priority-health.com Thu Aug 12 11:16:15 1999 From: Rick.Siner at priority-health.com (Siner, Rick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Recruiters Message-ID: <83254446C33AD311B925000092A767E5118A19@yap.internal.priority-health.com> I would concur w/Tim's sentiments. I don't need any more junk mail than I already receive. -----Original Message----- From: Maletic, Tim [mailto:Tim.Maletic@priority-health.com] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:53 AM To: grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: RE: Recruiters Matt wrote: > Which brings up a question: We don't have a > policy regarding recruiters. Should we? I know > that NY.PM tells them to go away rather forcefully. > > I would tend to say "let them post", but then I'm afraid > we'd become alt.perl.jobs.gr (grins) (Being happily employed...) I'm annoyed enough by recruiters over the phone; I'd hate to see them able to openly post to this list. I vote that the list be configured so that only members can post to it (it *is* configured that way, right?), and that only true-hearted, West Michigan perl mongers be allowed to join it. That way, recruiters will have to find an insider to post for them (as Matt opted to do). (And if the posts get to be too much, we'll have someone local to flame:) -Tim From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 18:58:23 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Recruiters Message-ID: <19990812235823.23907.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> > I vote that the list be configured so that only members can post to > it (it *is* configured that way, right?) (Note that silly hyphenations used in this sentence and elsewhere are to keep Majordomo from thinking that this message is a s-ubscription or u-nsubscription request.) Nope. Right now, anyone can s-ubscribe or u-nsubscribe on their own. (Note that a confirmation reply email is required. This is an attempt to prevent person A from s-ubscribing or u-nsubscribing person B.) And I believe anyone can post to the list even if they aren't on the list (but I need to verify that). For control, I think the choices are basically: 1. Manual maintenance of a file of approved posters to moderated list 2. Manually approve every post to moderated list (regardless of who it's from) 3. Restrict s-ubscription to moderated list (s-ubscriptions would have to be approved by moderator) and automagically keep the approved posters file in sync with the list of everyone on the list. It would be nice if Majordomo had an option to only allow posts from people on the list (that's the last part of choice #3), but I can't seem to find it. If anyone knows otherwise, I'd be interested in hearing from you. Note that all 3 options require a moderated list and various sorts of manual intervention and/or maintenance. I'd like to avoid doing any of that unless spam becomes a problem or the signal-to-noise ratio gets too low. +JoEl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From joelmeulenberg at hotmail.com Thu Aug 12 19:09:35 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at hotmail.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Trying to Post with Email Address That's Not in Majordomo List Message-ID: <19990813000935.62024.qmail@hotmail.com> This is just a test. (Note to self: The conversations about and measures taken to prevent spam can in some cases generate more spam that previously existed. Call it the "Meulenberg Spam Paradox". : ) ) +J _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From bott at grpl.org Thu Aug 12 19:21:19 1999 From: bott at grpl.org (Bill Ott) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Majordomo References: <19990812235823.23907.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <37B364FF.426DE8EE@grpl.org> >From the Majordomo FAQ Q: How can I restrict a list such that only subscribers can send mail to the list? http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/majordomo-faq.html#3.6 >From the list of Majordomo features: Written in Perl - easily customizable and expandable need I say more... -- Bill Ott bott@grpl.org From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 19:19:02 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Fwd: BOUNCE grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org: Admin request of type /\bunsubscribe\b/i at line 7 Message-ID: <19990813001902.28269.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Bill Ott posited (and almost posted): > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that majordomo > only > responds to commands sent to majordomo@foo.com, and not to a command > appearing in a post. In fact, I've seen many poor soles try to > u-nsubscribe > from lists by sending mail to everyone... (Note: dashes inserted by Joel) Bill, your email was intercepted by Majordomo and "bounced" to me. So it couldn't make it to the list unhyphenated. I too was surprised by this behavior when I first saw it. +Joel --- owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:00:35 -0400 (EDT) > From: owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > To: owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: BOUNCE grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org: Admin > request of type /\bunsubscribe\b/i at line 7 > > >From joelm@bigfoot.com Thu Aug 12 20:00:33 1999 > Received: from ns1.grapids.lib.mi.us ([204.177.186.34]) > by happyfunball.pm.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA11647 > for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 > 20:00:32 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from grpl.org (bott.grapids.lib.mi.us [204.177.186.40]) by > ns1.grapids.lib.mi.us (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA20641 for > ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:08:45 > -0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: <37B3624A.F81772B7@grpl.org> > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:09:46 -0400 > From: Bill Ott > Organization: Grand Rapids Public Library > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: Recruiters > References: <19990812235823.23907.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > (Note that silly hyphenations used in this sentence and > > elsewhere are to keep Majordomo from thinking that this message is > a > > s-ubscription or u-nsubscription request.) > > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that majordomo > only > responds to commands sent to majordomo@foo.com, and not to a command > appearing in a post. In fact, I've seen many poor soles try to > u-nsubscribe > from lists by sending mail to everyone... > > I guess there's one way to find out: > s-ubscribe > > -- > Bill Ott bott@grpl.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 19:26:47 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Majordomo Message-ID: <19990813002647.1863.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Oh, nifty. Just use the list file as the "restrict_post" file. Thanks Bill. However, someone still has to be the gatekeeper for would-be subscribers to the list. (Yuck. Grunt work. Laziness is a virtue.) And the Meulenberg Spam Paradox continues... : ) +Jo-El --- Bill Ott wrote: > >From the Majordomo FAQ > Q: How can I restrict a list such that only subscribers can send mail > to > the list? > http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/majordomo-faq.html#3.6 > > >From the list of Majordomo features: > Written in Perl - easily customizable and expandable > > need I say more... > > -- > Bill Ott bott@grpl.org > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From steve at bbdltd.com Fri Aug 13 08:54:32 1999 From: steve at bbdltd.com (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Majordomo In-Reply-To: <19990813002647.1863.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <000c01bee593$5e981150$6437a8c0@webmaster> >someone still has to be the gatekeeper for would-be I would suggest leaning to openness--all who come here are welcome. If somebody abuses, we hunt them down and do something virtual to them. Administrivia is then limited to just the fun part :-) sj From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 13:19:25 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Majordomo Message-ID: <19990813181925.7345.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Good point Steve. And in the event that I need to get medieval on someone's virtual butt, I'll come to you for lessons. : ) +Joel --- Steve Johnson wrote: > >someone still has to be the gatekeeper for would-be > > I would suggest leaning to openness--all who come here are welcome. > If > somebody abuses, we hunt them down and do something virtual to them. > Administrivia is then limited to just the fun part :-) > > sj > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From joelm at blueribbon.com Sun Aug 15 23:54:02 1999 From: joelm at blueribbon.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: test Message-ID: <002101bee7a3$5cffb520$0201a8c0@ansible01.ansible.firm> test -- Joel Meulenberg From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Sun Aug 15 23:56:05 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: test3 Message-ID: <19990816045605.26980.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> test3 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From joelm at blueribbon.com Mon Aug 16 00:35:16 1999 From: joelm at blueribbon.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Discussed Majordomo Changes Implemented Message-ID: <002d01bee7a9$1f8742c0$0201a8c0@ansible01.ansible.firm> Please ignore the previous test messages. I was testing to see how the posting restriction worked. Just as the Majordomo FAQ Bill Ott referenced suggested, the "restrict post" Majordomo parameter can point to the file containing the people on the GR.pm mailing list. The only tricky thing there was that that file exists under the subdirectory /usr/local/majordomo/lists on the host happyfunball.pm.org and that directory is *not readable* by normal accounts. So I took a wild guess ( : ) ) that our list file would be named "grand-rapids-pm-list" and it worked. So now only people who have subscribed to the list may post to the list. My tests were aimed at learning how this new restriction might affect people with multiple mailboxes, web-based email, etc. It looks as if the approved email address can appear in either the "From:" header or the "Reply-to:" header for the message to be accepted by the Majordomo resender. I was particularly interested in this because my email address on the GR.pm list is joelm@blueribbon.com , but I often used web-based email. (I'm slowly working toward having all of my major apps and data be accessible via any browser with Internet access.) Yahoo mail lets you set the "Reply-to" header, so I can still post to the GR.pm list using Yahoo even though joelmeulenberg@yahoo.com is not on the GR.pm list. I just use an option that tells Yahoo to have my "Reply-to:" be joelm@blueribbon.com. Note, however, that Hotmail does not allow you to do this. (In typical Microsoft style, then want to lock you in *hard* so you *have to* use Hotmail to get your replies.) I don't know if the many other web-based email providers provide this same useful feature like Yahoo. If this new restriction causes too many problems for folks (e.g.- trying to post using different email addresses, etc.) on the list, we can always revert to the old configuration. Note that I am not acting as a gatekeeper to the list. Anyone can subscribe themselves. So, in reality, this new posting restriction does not prevent people from "spamming" the list; it just forces them to jump through one hoop first. -- Joel Meulenberg From Rick.Siner at priority-health.com Mon Aug 16 07:23:00 1999 From: Rick.Siner at priority-health.com (Siner, Rick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Discussed Majordomo Changes Implemented Message-ID: <83254446C33AD311B925000092A767E5118A2D@yap.internal.priority-health.com> Hi Joel I'm using Mickeysoft's Hotmail, and I am able to specify the "Reply To:" address. Go under "Options/Preferences" and wayyyyyy towards the bottom... thanks, -----Original Message----- From: Joel Meulenberg [mailto:joelm@blueribbon.com] Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 1:35 AM To: grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Discussed Majordomo Changes Implemented Please ignore the previous test messages. I was testing to see how the posting restriction worked. Just as the Majordomo FAQ Bill Ott referenced suggested, the "restrict post" Majordomo parameter can point to the file containing the people on the GR.pm mailing list. The only tricky thing there was that that file exists under the subdirectory /usr/local/majordomo/lists on the host happyfunball.pm.org and that directory is *not readable* by normal accounts. So I took a wild guess ( : ) ) that our list file would be named "grand-rapids-pm-list" and it worked. So now only people who have subscribed to the list may post to the list. My tests were aimed at learning how this new restriction might affect people with multiple mailboxes, web-based email, etc. It looks as if the approved email address can appear in either the "From:" header or the "Reply-to:" header for the message to be accepted by the Majordomo resender. I was particularly interested in this because my email address on the GR.pm list is joelm@blueribbon.com , but I often used web-based email. (I'm slowly working toward having all of my major apps and data be accessible via any browser with Internet access.) Yahoo mail lets you set the "Reply-to" header, so I can still post to the GR.pm list using Yahoo even though joelmeulenberg@yahoo.com is not on the GR.pm list. I just use an option that tells Yahoo to have my "Reply-to:" be joelm@blueribbon.com. Note, however, that Hotmail does not allow you to do this. (In typical Microsoft style, then want to lock you in *hard* so you *have to* use Hotmail to get your replies.) I don't know if the many other web-based email providers provide this same useful feature like Yahoo. If this new restriction causes too many problems for folks (e.g.- trying to post using different email addresses, etc.) on the list, we can always revert to the old configuration. Note that I am not acting as a gatekeeper to the list. Anyone can subscribe themselves. So, in reality, this new posting restriction does not prevent people from "spamming" the list; it just forces them to jump through one hoop first. -- Joel Meulenberg From bgathen at usxchange.com Wed Aug 18 08:34:05 1999 From: bgathen at usxchange.com (Gathen, Bill) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Millenium Pie Message-ID: > > >Written by Scott McNulty > > > > >Millennium Pie (with apologies to Don McLean, American Pie) > > > > > > > > A long, long time ago... > > > I can still remember how > > > > > > Computers used to make me smile. > > > And I knew if I had my chance, > > > That I could make electrons dance, > > > And maybe I'd be happy for a while. > > > > > > But January made me shiver, > > > it chilled me deep down in my liver, > > > Bad news I'd collected... > > > I couldn't get connected. > > > > > > I can't remember back that day > > > When I first knew the Y2K > > > But something touched me anyway, > > > The day computers died. > > > > > > So, ...Bye, bye to the next digit of Pi > > > Ran my PC on some DC but the voltage was dry > > > And good ol' boys were sending e-mail replies > > > Saying this will be the day I retire > > > this will be the day I retire > > > > > > Can you write in C plus plus ? > > > And do you have faith in your local bus > > > If the driver tells you so ? > > > > > > Do you believe in Compaq's goals > > > Can software save your mortal soul > > > And can you teach me how to type real slow ? > > > > > > Well I thought that you were prepared > > > 'Cause your memo said you weren't impaired > > > Your stationery's swell > > > But you can go to hell > > > > > > I was a lonely teenage Unix hack > > > With an incantation and a modem jack > > > but I knew the cat had left the sack > > > The day computers died > > > I started singin'... > > > > > > Bye, bye to the next digit of Pi > > > Ran my PC on some DC but the voltage was dry > > > And good ol' boys were sending e-mail replies > > > Saying this will be the day I retire > > > this will be the day I retire > > > > > > Now for 10 years we've ignored the threat > > > And we haven't solved the problem yet > > > But that's not how it used to be > > > > > > When the luddites read for the king and queen > > > with a light they filled with kerosene > > > And some manuals they stole from you and me > > > > > > And while Bill Gates was looking pleased > > > Time stole his monopolies > > > The courtroom was adjourned > > > No verdict was returned > > > > > > While Apple tried a color scheme > > > The engineers returned to steam > > > And we had purges of their dreams > > > The day computers died > > > We were singin' > > > > > > Bye, bye to the next digit of Pi > > > Ran my PC on some DC but the voltage was dry > > > And good ol' boys were sending e-mail replies > > > Saying this will be the day I retire > > > this will be the day I retire > > > > > > Intel inside in an iron smelter > > > The food leftover from my fallout shelter > > > Twinkies old and aging fast > > > > > > I'd rather eat the grass > > > > > > Q and A tried for a system crash > > > With the tester on the sidelines in a cast > > > > > > Now the timeshare net was running Doom > > > While mainframes played a marching tune > > > We all tried to log in > > > Oh, but we never could begin > > > > > > 'Cause Cobol tried to take the field, > > > And Holerith refused to yield. > > > Do you recall what was revealed, > > > The day computers died? > > > We started singing > > > > > > Bye, bye to the next digit of Pi > > > Ran my PC on some DC but the voltage was dry > > > And good ol' boys were sending e-mail replies > > > Saying this will be the day I retire > > > this will be the day I retire > > > > > > There we were all in a state > > > A generation- really late > > > With no time left to start again > > > > > > So come on mouse be nimble, mouse be quick > > > Don't let my spreadsheet data stick > > > 'Cause data is the devil's only friend. > > > > > > As I watched him on my screen > > > My hands and face were drenched in steam > > > No angel born in hell > > > Could run that stupid shell > > > > > > And as the ball climbed high into the night > > > To call the sacrificial night > > > I saw Dick Clark laughing with delight > > > the day computers died. > > > > > > I met a girl with a cell phone > > > And I asked her for a dial tone > > > But she just smiled and turned away > > > > > > I went down to the software store > > > Where I'd seen computers years before > > > But the man there said the games there > > > wouldn't play > > > > > > And in the streets the children screamed > > > The lovers cried and the poets dreamed > > > their interface was spoken > > > The Internet was broken > > > > > > And the three things I connect to most > > > The Website, Lan and the Network host > > > Every single one was toast > > > The day computers died > > > They were singin' > > > > > > Bye, bye to the next digit of Pi > > > Ran my PC on some DC but the voltage was dry > > > And good ol' boys were sending e-mail replies > > > Saying this will be the day I retire > > > this will be the day I retire > > > > > > > > > Copyright ScottMcNulty. > > July 1999 From joelm at blueribbon.com Sun Aug 22 12:28:58 1999 From: joelm at blueribbon.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Fw: BOUNCE grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org: Non-member submission from [Bill Ott ] Message-ID: <000a01beecc3$d504ec00$0201a8c0@ansible01.ansible.firm> This message (below) from Bill Ott had bounced. Bill, your email address on the Majordomo list is bott@grpl.org rather than bott@grapids.lib.mi.us . So you did inadvertantly taunt happyfunball. : ) An overview of the Perl Conference sounds good to me. Please see Bill's message below... -----Original Message----- From: owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org To: owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:28 AM Subject: BOUNCE grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org: Non-member submission from [Bill Ott ] >>From joelm@bigfoot.com Sat Aug 21 10:23:31 1999 >Received: from ns1.grapids.lib.mi.us ([204.177.186.34]) > by happyfunball.pm.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00029 > for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:23:26 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [204.177.186.34] (ns1.grapids.lib.mi.us [204.177.186.34]) by ns1.grapids.lib.mi.us (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05278 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:31:26 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:31:26 -0400 (EDT) >From: Bill Ott >To: grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >Subject: Perl Conference >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Greetings from the Perl Conference in Montery!! > >It occured to me that if no one else in the local group was here, I might >be able to give a couple minutes on it at the next meeting. If anyone's >intersted... > >Well, gotta go meet Tom Christansen... > > > >ps - I fear that my previous message using 'sub-scribe' as a test, may >have inadvertently taunted 'happyfunball'. My appologies! > >-- >Bill Ott > > > > From bgathen at usxchange.com Mon Aug 23 14:51:42 1999 From: bgathen at usxchange.com (Gathen, Bill) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: CGI presentation for August meeting now online Message-ID: In a startling turn of events, I'm done ahead of schedule. Which is a good thing, since I don't know if we'll have the equipment to do an online presentation onsite. My sample cgi application is at: https://newreggie.usxc.net/cgi-bin/cgi-demo.pl (note that it's an https, not an http!) I highly recommend anyone who's completely new at this to have a look, click on all the left-side buttons, submit some queries, examine the code and see how much you can glean on your own, then we can deal with specifics at the meeting. To be honest, to get much out of the site, you'll have to understand HTML & have done some web pages the old-fashioned way. The objective here is to show how CGI.pm's "abstracting" approach makes dynamic web content and form processing possible. The descriptions are fairly terse; more detail is given in my handout, which I'll bring to the meeting. Have fun! Bill From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 15:50:08 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Friday's Meeting Message-ID: <19990825205008.17000.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Time: 11:30am sharp, Friday, August 27th, 1999 Place: Board Rooms B & C (3rd floor) Priority Health 1231 East Beltline NE (near Leonard) Grand Rapids, MI 49505 Notes: Bring Your Own Food! The 1231 building is on the left as you enter Waters Circle from the East Beltline. You'll want to take the elevator or stairs up to the 3rd floor. As you emerge from the elevator or stairwell you'll be facing a receptionist. Identify yourself as part of the Perl Mongers user group and you will be directed to board rooms B & C. If you have any problems you can call Keith Sederholm (our gracious host) at 975-8595. Attached is a map in MS Word format. And here's a MapQuest URL: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=ia-map-result&zoom_level=8&mscsid=&uid=unw96babv7i0v6oo:2000zslzt&SNVData=7%3d%2a%26:%3d%2a%26%5en1a2+J7gv+Vsc72drj+LM%5e%18c3wq+%182hdee%5eFJ%5ew1su4%5el%5eGG%3d%2awa%26hrr0hf:.54%40shu72l%26337%3brlhrra%242lu%28%3dysdf22%249de7m%7cx06,pjo6p7%3ba0l.3mad3-h.gv82s-1.WIKudyx1%7cl%24HQJ9oxiwo5-1.WIKu337%3brlhrra%24HQJ92lu%28%3dysdf22%24Ggm4HQJ%28%297%7c%24nle%2801g90:%3d%2a%26:%3d Matt will probably send out an official agenda. Bill Gathan is doing the main presentation on CGI. And Bill Ott will probably have some news to share from the Perl Conference in Monterey, CA. See you Friday! +Joel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PH_GR_Map.doc Type: application/msword Size: 67072 bytes Desc: PH_GR_Map.doc Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/grand-rapids-pm-list/attachments/19990825/bca43218/PH_GR_Map.doc From bgathen at usxchange.com Thu Aug 26 13:58:55 1999 From: bgathen at usxchange.com (Gathen, Bill) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: A Bribe Message-ID: One more exciting reason to come to tomorrow's meeting: free books! We have a STACK of new books that have just arrived from O'Reilly, and only one has been spoken for. * MySQL & mSQL (spoken for by Steve Johnson, I think...it's been awhile and I tossed the email) * Mastering Algorithms With Perl * Webmaster In A Nutshell and... hold your breath... * THE PERL CD BOOKSHELF! We may have to draw straws or something for this bad boy. The CD contains: * Programming Perl, 2nd Edition * Learning Perl, 2nd Edition * Learning Perl on Win32 * Advanced Perl Programming * Perl In A Nutshell & * The Perl Cookbook (the best thing to hit Perl since Perl itself) It also contains a paperback copy of Perl In A Nutshell. We've messed around with it at US Xchange, and the interface is excellent. You can search all six books simultaneously, and the search algorithm is lightning-fast. There's also a composite index, if that's more your speed. Now that you're all good and salivating, I would like to respectfully submit that everybody that has borrowed books bring them to the meeting tomorrow. If nobody else wants a turn with them, feel free to keep them longer, but we've got a lot of stuff out there and I think people are hesitant to send "I want it, bring it back" emails. Since it is at least ostensibly a "lending library" I think it's a good idea to gather them back up every few months. See you all tomorrow, Bill From bgathen at usxchange.com Thu Aug 26 13:58:55 1999 From: bgathen at usxchange.com (Gathen, Bill) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: A Bribe Message-ID: One more exciting reason to come to tomorrow's meeting: free books! We have a STACK of new books that have just arrived from O'Reilly, and only one has been spoken for. * MySQL & mSQL (spoken for by Steve Johnson, I think...it's been awhile and I tossed the email) * Mastering Algorithms With Perl * Webmaster In A Nutshell and... hold your breath... * THE PERL CD BOOKSHELF! We may have to draw straws or something for this bad boy. The CD contains: * Programming Perl, 2nd Edition * Learning Perl, 2nd Edition * Learning Perl on Win32 * Advanced Perl Programming * Perl In A Nutshell & * The Perl Cookbook (the best thing to hit Perl since Perl itself) It also contains a paperback copy of Perl In A Nutshell. We've messed around with it at US Xchange, and the interface is excellent. You can search all six books simultaneously, and the search algorithm is lightning-fast. There's also a composite index, if that's more your speed. Now that you're all good and salivating, I would like to respectfully submit that everybody that has borrowed books bring them to the meeting tomorrow. If nobody else wants a turn with them, feel free to keep them longer, but we've got a lot of stuff out there and I think people are hesitant to send "I want it, bring it back" emails. Since it is at least ostensibly a "lending library" I think it's a good idea to gather them back up every few months. See you all tomorrow, Bill From mattandap at allegan.net Thu Aug 26 14:28:08 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Agenda References: Message-ID: <004201beeff9$21bd45a0$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> Tomorrow's Agenda is attached as ASCII Text. If you want something changed, complain loudly over the list, and perhaps it shall be ... Matt H. -------------- next part -------------- The Grand-Rapids Perl Mongers Meeting Agenda for Friday, 8/27/99 Board Rooms B&C, Priority Health, @11:30 I. Meals, Introductions, and thanks to Host II. Old Business A. Assign a Scribe B. Review of the Previous Meeting - Paul Tjapkes (paul_tjapkes@mcgraw-hill.com) C. Lending Library (The continuing Saga) - Bill Gathen (BGathen@Usxchange.com) III. New Business A. Developing Dynamic Site Content with Perl & CGI - Bill Gathen (BGathen@Usxchange.com) B. Next Meetings Content C. Next Meeting Location D. Discussion & New Topics E. Adjourn From mattandap at allegan.net Thu Aug 26 15:47:37 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Agenda II References: <004201beeff9$21bd45a0$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> Message-ID: <002501bef004$3be74420$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> -- I've added Bill Ott to the Agenda, talking about his experiences at the Perl Conference in CA. (Thanks for the Reminder, Joel) Anyone else? Matt H. "Integrity, Service before self, and Excellence in all we do." - The USAF Core Values -------------- next part -------------- The Grand-Rapids Perl Mongers Meeting Agenda for Friday, 8/27/99 Board Rooms B&C, Priority Health, @11:30 I. Meals, Introductions, and thanks to Host II. Old Business A. Assign a Scribe B. Review of the Previous Meeting - Paul Tjapkes (paul_tjapkes@mcgraw-hill.com) C. Lending Library (The continuing Saga) - Bill Gathen (BGathen@Usxchange.com) III. New Business A. All About The Perl Conference - Bill Ott (bott@grapids.lib.mi.us) B. Developing Dynamic Site Content with Perl & CGI - Bill Gathen (BGathen@Usxchange.com) C. Next Meetings Content D. Next Meeting Location E. Discussion & New Topics F. Adjourn From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 23:31:42 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:42 2004 Subject: Fwd: er... tonight? and a test (from the AnnArbor.pm list) Message-ID: <19990827043142.5335.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> A while back I had an email exchange with Kevin McGowan of AnnArbor.pm and asked to be on their mailing list. Since then I've been on the list and reading most of its messages. I thought this message from Kevin had some interesting commentary and an interesting idea, so I thought I'd forward it to the local list. Check it out... +Joel --- Kevin McGowan wrote: > To: perlmongers@umich.edu > Subject: er... tonight? and a test > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:51:32 -0400 > From: Kevin McGowan > > So the votes are split evenly between meeting tonight and putting it > off to next thursday. > > Despite Monger Sarah's significant efforts to wrangle us a room at > the > School of Information I think we should go ahead and put this off to > next week. (thanks, sarah -- sorry) > > Hopefully there will be a big pile of students back in town to come > next week... it could happen. > > actual fun stuff: > > One of the topics at the Perl town meeting (which I blew off to go > look > at otters) was the idea of perl certification. A few folks were, I > hear, arguing that perl would be more marketable if people could show > their "perl 5 inside" tattoo to potential employers. > > Larry's response was roughly "um... no. sit down." > > and Tom Christiansen's reply was "so design a test and test them" > > which is perfectly in keeping with the Tom Christiansen Rules for > employers: > > rule #1: assume competence. > rule #2: train the ignorant. > rule #3: fire the stupid. > > In that vein I would like to recommend that *we* the AnnArbor > perlmongers design an "are you fit to work here" perl competence > test. > My thought is that it should be general enough that employers could > modify it simply, but tricky enough to be fun. If you are new to > perl > you could ask things you don't know yet, or ask things that were > difficult for you to figure out. > > If everyone were to submit a few questions we could compile them into > a > test (as a group) and make it available from our web site. which, > frankly, is aching for content. I set up a guestbook for this: > > http://www.umich.edu/~clunis/perlmongers/test/ > > I also think this is nice because it would help us figure out topics > for the free perl classes several of us want to teach. > > lemme know what a you think, > > Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From mattandap at allegan.net Fri Aug 27 13:41:59 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: Last Meeting References: Message-ID: <004301bef0bb$db754980$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> Well, it was a good meeting, and I hope everyone enjoyed it. JoelM should have some minutes for us to read sooner or later ... One sidebar we discussed was the idea of getting meetings at local colleges and/or(*) getting colleges involved - possibly getting a class in perl offered somewhere. (Or we could become a certifification issuer, as a revenue source ;-) I'm hoping we can find a "Academic Liason" type person to do some leg-work on this one. ... I know Steve Poling used to teach courses at CornerStone ... Anyone Interested? (*) - Yes, I know and/or is redundant, I actually mean "And/XOR", for the symbollically logical out there. By the way, this statement is false ... Matt H. "Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - E. W. Dijkstra From mattandap at allegan.net Fri Aug 27 13:56:31 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: Logic Gates Message-ID: <004901bef0bd$e1a31880$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> >(*) - Yes, I know and/or is redundant, I actually >mean "And/XOR", for the symbollically logical out >there. By the way, this statement is false ... Yes, AND/XOR is equivilant to just "or", but sounds fancier. I know, I know ... next time I'll just use && && || regards, Matt H. "For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Matthew 16:26 From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 12:45:59 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: Last Meeting Message-ID: <19990828174559.1942.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> > By the way, this statement is false ... Naturally. : ) only the fool would take trouble to verify that his sentence was composed of forty-six e's, forty-one s's, thirty-seven t's, twenty-five n's, twenty-four o's, sixteen f's, sixteen r's, fifteen i's, thirteen h's, eleven y's, ten a's, ten u's, nine l's, eight v's, eight w's, five p's, four c's, four d's, four g's, four m's, four x's, three b's, two k's, twenty-seven commas, twenty-three apostrophes, seven hyphens, and, last but not least, a single . +Joel === __________________________________________________ AdStream programs expose you to a stream of banner ads while you're connected to the Internet. In exchange for a smidgen of your attention they pay you cash. You can easily earn enough to pay your monthly ISP bill. Compare the various AdStream programs here: http://ansible.hypermart.net/get_paid_to_surf.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 12:49:15 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: BOUNCE grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org: Non-member submission from ["Steve Poling" ] Message-ID: <19990828174915.2167.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Below is a message that bounced due to the sender not being a member of the list. I think we're interested in it though... +Joel --- owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org wrote: > >From joelm@bigfoot.com Sat Aug 28 02:34:09 1999 > Received: from onramp.i2k.com (root@onramp.i2k.com [207.75.224.3]) > by happyfunball.pm.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA11911 > for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 > 02:34:07 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from sherman (sb20-114.i2k.com [207.75.224.114]) > by onramp.i2k.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id CAA17836; > Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:38:53 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Steve Poling" > To: "Matt Heusser" , > "'GR.pm Mailing List'" > > Subject: FW: New Object Oriented Perl Book is Now Available > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:35:42 -0400 > Message-ID: <000501bef11f$8d552400$0601a8c0@sherman.atlas.edu> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > Importance: Normal > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen Trimes [mailto:hetr@manning.com] > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 10:49 AM > To: BBC List > Subject: New Object Oriented Perl Book is Now Available > > > This message is being sent to you, at your own request, with > information on the following new title. > > > *********** NEW OBJECT ORIENTED PERL BOOK IS NOW AVAILABLE > *********** > > Object Oriented Perl by Damian Conway > > This comprehensive new book, the first devoted to object-oriented > programming with Perl, is now available for sale at an introductory > price. 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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 22:17:04 1999 From: joelmeulenberg at yahoo.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: GR.pm Meeting Minutes 1999-Aug-27 Message-ID: <19990830031704.514.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> See notes attached as HTML file (ready for inclusion in web site). BTW, we should probably come up with a template for meeting minutes - any takers? Can draw ideas from this and past minutes documents. Also, the question of our site's URL was raised during the meeting. The URL is: http://grand-rapids.pm.org/ +Joel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/grand-rapids-pm-list/attachments/19990829/3ecd8c86/1999-07-27.html From mattandap at allegan.net Mon Aug 30 08:26:25 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: Group Activity Idea(s) References: <19990830031704.514.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <00b501bef2eb$44410220$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> Grand Rapids Perl Mongers Meeting Minutes - 1997 August 27>Steve Johnson proposed some kind of group activity >(need more discussion on the email list). Here's the plan: 1) We get a general idea of what we're going to do, 2) Put it on next month's agenda for discussion. 3) Discuss it next month, then again in Oct, Nov, and December. 4) Then, assuming we don't have mass hysteria and black-outs due to Y2K, in January or Feb. we do the group activity, led by Mr. Johnson. As for "What are we going to do?" I believe the original idea was some sort of team-building exercise where we break the .pm's down into groups and attempt to solve a problem put forth by either Steve or a guest judge. (In college, we had similar projects, with a bank of 10 questions of varying point values, with a certain amount of time to solve them.) On the flip side: We could sponsor a comepetition of various high schools, and have it at a local college. Of course, neither many high scools nor many colleges code in perl, but the idea is to get them to start ... (or allow them to code in whatever language they want ... the smart ones will choose perl anyway ;-) I covet your contributions .... Matt H. "For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Matthew 16:26 . From steve at bbdltd.com Mon Aug 30 09:08:15 1999 From: steve at bbdltd.com (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: Group Activity Idea(s) In-Reply-To: <00b501bef2eb$44410220$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> Message-ID: Thanks Matt, here's what I've laid out so far, contributions/ideas/feedback is requested. PerlJam 2000 ============ Objectives: fun group activity that will promote interaction and relationship building within grand-rapids-pm. Teams: x (say 2) teams of y (say 3) members each will compete in 3 timed rounds. Teams could be formed by: random, self selection, or semi-random taking into account skill levels. Judging: Judging will be done by 3 judges (the ones that create the problems for the 3 rounds). Judging will be done and points awarded based on: 1) the solution works/meets specs, 2) elegance, 3) perlness, and 4) overall coolness. Rounds: 3, to be determined, events will be completed by the teams. Each event has a winner and then a grand prize winner is determined based on total points. The events consist of programming problems with perl and/or may include question and answer sessions (or answer and question sessions if you like Jeopardy). To allow the proper amount of audience participation (heckling), programming will be done on laptops with projectors showing the work as it happens during the event. It might look like this: Round 1: Perl problem with all resources allowed, programmed on a laptop running Win32 version. Round 2: Perl World History Q & A session (buzzers, points, the usual game show feel). Questions can be technical, philosophical, historical, or perlical. Round 3: Steelcage Perl--nothing but Perl, no helps, no books, no holds barred! Let the carnage begin! Winner's Circle: Prizes awarded. I think we can get some cool stuff donated, but all participants receive something. PerlJam2000 T-shirts or something. What I think it will take: -At least 3 people willing to be judges, volunteer some time to get things ready. Someone that can provide a place (need a projector and laptop for each team). Others to help with just a few things like getting some donations from their companies for prizes, etc. We'll need a master of ceremonies (game show host) to keep things going. We are really only talking about a few hours between now and the January meeting, if that is when we do this. -6 people to be contestants, hopefully with a good skill mix. -more people to be the audience. The proposal is now up for discussion. Good idea, not so good? Better tweaks? Volunteers? Ideas? Please send your Personal Level of Participation Feedback to steve@bbdltd.com: I want to be on a team: I want to be a judge: I am willing to heckle: Regards, sj From ed at pcr7.pcr.com Mon Aug 30 10:05:14 1999 From: ed at pcr7.pcr.com (Ed Eddington) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: G-R.pm website update Message-ID: <01BEF2D7.8A3879C0@uranus.pcr.com> GR.pm's, I updated the website with the meeting minutes (thanks Joel). Also, I added a link to Bill's "CGI.pm demo" program on the educational resourses page as well as updated the list of who has which "library book". The meeting minutes have been fairly short and don't take me long to format in HTML. So, if they are supplied in plain text that's fine (to keep the responsibilities of the "scribe" to a minimum!). A template might add some "pizazz" to our boring b/w minutes pages if someone gets the creative urge, feel free! It wouldn't take me any longer to put the minutes onto a fancier page. If anyone has any corrections, suggestions or ideas for the site, let me know! (ed@pcr7.pcr.com) (http://grand-rapids.pm.org/) By the way, I don't have e-mail addresses for these people... Paul Tjapkes - 550 Invalid recipient: Rick Siner Jeff Williams If you could drop me a line, I'll update/add them to the website. Hopefully, I'll make the next meeting! >:-( Ed Eddington G-R.pm webmaster From brandon at squareonedesign.com Mon Aug 30 15:25:41 1999 From: brandon at squareonedesign.com (Brandon Gohsman) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: CGI question Message-ID: Greetings, I have a client who pays a monthly fee for delayed stock data from a data service. To get the data, you call a CGI script from your web page with a few arguments. A text-only file is returned with the data for their stock symbol. This all works fine and dandy. My problem is that the unformatted text looks ugly when poured into their well designed web site layout. And, since there are no HTML tags, I can't even use JavaScript to make dynamic changes. So what I want to do is capture this returned text in an array or a series of scalars using Perl. Once I get that to work, I can perform various sub-string functions to tear the text apart, build a web page and return it. Right now, I am at a loss on how to call one CGI script with another and capture the returned text. The rest of it seems fairly straight forward if I can just get that far. If anyone knows how to do this or can point me in a direction that I haven't gone, that would be great. Until then, I'll continue to scour my reference books. Thanks, Brandon Gohsman Square One Design 560 5th Street NW, Suite 301 Grand Rapids, MI 49504 T 616.774.9048 F 616.774.8003 E brandon@squareonedesign.com From ed at pcr7.pcr.com Mon Aug 30 15:46:50 1999 From: ed at pcr7.pcr.com (Ed Eddington) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: CGI question Message-ID: <01BEF307.42114020@uranus.pcr.com> You could use the LWP module to make the HTTP request to the second CGI program. The results of the request (whatever it be, HTML or text) is returned in a scalar. Look at LWP::Simple or LWP::UserAgent Here's a tiny program that illustrates LWP::Simple (Useragent isn't much harder to use). Just supplement the URL for the CGI plus paramters in a URL-encoded string (http://somewhere.com/program.cgi?field1=value1&field2=value2). Ed #!/usr/local/bin/perl # Testing LWP:Simple - a simplified view of the lib-www interface # See usage by: perldoc LWP::Simple # or: perldoc LWP use LWP::Simple; #get and print a web page to stdout getprint "http://www.pm.org"; # OR pull response into a scalar $url = 'http://www.pm.org'; $response = get($url); print $response; # Save a page to disk by getstore ($url, $file); #store page mirror ($url, $file); #store "IFMODIFIEDSINCE" or content length different ---------- From: Brandon Gohsman[SMTP:brandon@squareonedesign.com] Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 4:25 PM To: GR Perl Mongers Mailing List Subject: CGI question Greetings, I have a client who pays a monthly fee for delayed stock data from a data service. To get the data, you call a CGI script from your web page with a few arguments. A text-only file is returned with the data for their stock symbol. This all works fine and dandy. My problem is that the unformatted text looks ugly when poured into their well designed web site layout. And, since there are no HTML tags, I can't even use JavaScript to make dynamic changes. So what I want to do is capture this returned text in an array or a series of scalars using Perl. Once I get that to work, I can perform various sub-string functions to tear the text apart, build a web page and return it. Right now, I am at a loss on how to call one CGI script with another and capture the returned text. The rest of it seems fairly straight forward if I can just get that far. If anyone knows how to do this or can point me in a direction that I haven't gone, that would be great. Until then, I'll continue to scour my reference books. Thanks, Brandon Gohsman Square One Design 560 5th Street NW, Suite 301 Grand Rapids, MI 49504 T 616.774.9048 F 616.774.8003 E brandon@squareonedesign.com From mattandap at allegan.net Tue Aug 31 07:43:53 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:43 2004 Subject: G-R.pm website update References: <01BEF2D7.8A3879C0@uranus.pcr.com> Message-ID: <001b01bef3ae$7d86d500$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> > ... "pizzazz" to our boring b/w minutes pages Does anyone have a digital Camera? Perhaps we could have a .gif or two in each month's minutes ... BTW - I'm thinking of a new rule to figure out who the scribe and/or presenters should be. Something like this: 1) People who have borrowed books and not presented 2) People who have attended more than 1 meeting and not presented 3) People who have presented in the past 12 months 4) Active Presenters and Active Hosts "Scribes" will be drafted from the available pool; people with lower numbers getting precedence over people with higher numbers. In other words, the best way to not be scribe is to volunteer to be a presenter or to offer to host meetings. What say ye? Matt H. From joelm at blueribbon.com Tue Aug 31 23:33:27 1999 From: joelm at blueribbon.com (Joel Meulenberg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:44 2004 Subject: Fw: BOUNCE grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org: Non-member submission from ["Steve Poling" ] Message-ID: <007501bef433$23653fa0$0201a8c0@ansible01.ansible.firm> -----Original Message----- From: owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org To: owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:31 PM Subject: BOUNCE grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org: Non-member submission from ["Steve Poling" ] >>From joelm@bigfoot.com Tue Aug 31 23:25:23 1999 >Received: from onramp.i2k.com (root@onramp.i2k.com [207.75.224.3]) > by happyfunball.pm.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12338 > for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:25:18 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from sherman (sb20-131.i2k.com [207.75.224.131]) > by onramp.i2k.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA18186; > Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:30:04 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Steve Poling" >To: "Matt Heusser" , > >Subject: RE: G-R.pm website update >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:26:40 -0400 >Message-ID: <000301bef429$ce9ec260$0601a8c0@sherman.atlas.edu> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 >Importance: Normal >In-Reply-To: <001b01bef3ae$7d86d500$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > >i'll volunteer my electronic camera. > >uh, does that mean i can wait longer before i present? > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >>[mailto:owner-grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org]On Behalf Of Matt >>Heusser >>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:44 AM >>To: grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >>Subject: Re: G-R.pm website update >> >> >>> ... "pizzazz" to our boring b/w minutes pages >> >>Does anyone have a digital Camera? Perhaps we could >>have a .gif or two in each month's minutes ... >> >>BTW - I'm thinking of a new rule to figure out who the scribe >>and/or presenters should be. Something like this: >> >> >> >> 1) People who have borrowed books and not presented >> 2) People who have attended more than 1 meeting and >> not presented >> 3) People who have presented in the past 12 months >> 4) Active Presenters and Active Hosts >> >>"Scribes" will be drafted from the available pool; people with >>lower numbers getting precedence over people with higher >>numbers. >> >>In other words, the best way to not be scribe is to volunteer >>to be a presenter or to offer to host meetings. >> >>What say ye? >> >> >> >> >>Matt H. >> >> > > > From mattandap at allegan.net Tue Aug 31 07:18:27 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:44 2004 Subject: Food for next month .... References: <000f01bef439$d6c68440$0601a8c0@sherman.atlas.edu> Message-ID: <00a801bef3aa$ef570500$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> -- As I have just received an e-mail for Joel about next month, it's time to ask: Do we want catering? I'm agreeing with Joel's idea - we get some local pizza place to deliver. But, I'm open for suggestions. (Grande Meals, anyone?) Matt H. From mattandap at allegan.net Tue Aug 31 07:20:29 1999 From: mattandap at allegan.net (Matt Heusser) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:01:44 2004 Subject: G-R.pm website update References: <000301bef429$ce9ec260$0601a8c0@sherman.atlas.edu> Message-ID: <00be01bef3ab$379f5a60$ebfca8c0@macatawa.org> > I'll volunteer my electronic camera. ... Sorry, Steve, Brandon Gohsman already volunteered his, and I'm holding him to it. But ... you could be scribe!! Great glory and honor would be yours ... (Grins) I remain, always, Matt H.