From fontani at gmail.com  Mon May  2 05:07:02 2011
From: fontani at gmail.com (Marco Fontani)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:07:02 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Call for Talks - Perl on Speed
Message-ID: <BANLkTinurXy8p=TSa26a=fz3-ZFqo-H_Ug@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow 'mongers,

Our next technical Glasgow.pm meeting is scheduled for Thursday 12th
May, at the usual location.
The website has been updated.

I call for all those who mentioned bringing a talk to come forward, so
I can then update the site/make all aware of which talks will be
given.

This time I'd like to try something slightly different though,
regarding Lightning Talks.

This month's lightning talk topic is "Perl on Speed". I would
encourage all to bring a small lightning talk (5-10 mins) regarding
Perl and speed.
It may be anything from "oh look I sped up my program X% by doing this
instead of that", to "look at this ugly script which takes ages to
run, any suggestions?".

I hope you like the idea, and will be able to both attend and bring a
talk on topic :)

Looking forward to seeing you all soon,

-- 
Marco Fontani
Glasgow Perl Mongers - http://glasgow.pm.org/
Join the RackSpace Cloud at: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/277.html

From dave at dave.org.uk  Sat May 14 05:12:45 2011
From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:12:45 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Ahoy!
In-Reply-To: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk>
References: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4DCE71BD.5040908@dave.org.uk>

On 04/17/2011 11:26 AM, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> Hey chaps,

Sorry for not confirming this earlier.

> I'm going to be in Edinburgh for a week in the not too distant future.
> So I wondered if you fancied a beer or three in the Cumberland.
>
> I'll be around from Friday 27th May to Thursday 2nd June. So something
> around Tues/Wed (31st/1st) would be good. How does that sound?

It sounds like no-one has any preferences for either of those dates, and 
we've had an invitation to another event on the 31st, so let's say the 
1st of June in the Cumberland?

> Also, I'd like to abuse your local knowledge. Since I first read about
> it in the early 80s[1] I've fancied a visit to Rosslyn Chapel and on my
> many trips to Edinburgh I've never got round to it. I know there are
> many tourist trips from Edinburgh, but we're a little wary of those and
> would rather get there on public transport if that's at all possible.
> Any advice you could give would be much appreciated.

Thanks for all your advice on this. Looks like the 15 bus makes it all 
pretty simple.

Cheers,

Dave...

> [1] Long before Dan Brown had heard of it.

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Sat May 14 05:37:31 2011
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:37:31 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Ahoy!
In-Reply-To: <4DCE71BD.5040908@dave.org.uk>
References: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk> <4DCE71BD.5040908@dave.org.uk>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=p8SS3em+nDjzGz+tGxGtNKao6hQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dave Cross <dave at dave.org.uk> wrote:
> let's say the 1st of June in the Cumberland?

Sounds good to me.  See you then!

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From robrwo at gmail.com  Thu May 19 02:49:15 2011
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:49:15 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] [OT] SICSA Distinguished Visitor Seminar on ethics
 of Computer Security Research
Message-ID: <4DD4E79B.40005@gmail.com>


This may be of interest.

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:41:19 +0100
From: David Aspinall <David.Aspinall at ed.ac.uk>
Subject: SICS Distinguished Visitor Seminar on ethics of Computer Security
Research


Dear All,

I'm delighted to announce an Informatics seminar by John Aycock on 1st
June, see abstract below.  John is a SICSA Distinguished Visiting Fellow
arriving next week.  He'll be based in Glasgow but touring other SICSA
universities giving several different talks.

For people who haven't seen the note from SICSA, I'm pasting that
further below, it contains an ad for John's talk in Glasgow on 27th May.

  - David

----------------------------------------------------------------------


          Computer Security Research: Considered? Harmful?

    John Aycock, Associate Professor, University of Calgary, Canada
                  SICSA Distinguished Visitor

                     3pm 1st June, 2011
            Informatics Forum, Ground Floor Room G.03

There are a number of simmering ethical issues when it comes to applied
security research.  Vetting by research ethics boards is not enough, as
some work can slip through the boards, and other work can slip through
the cracks of ethics policies.  I'll draw on some of the work my
colleagues and I have done in the area of security ethics, and combine
it with some ideas from the last two workshops on ethics in computer
security research (WECSR) to give an overview of the ethical landscape
and what needs to be done to fix some of the problems.


---------------------------------------------------------------------


Professor John Aycock will be visiting Scotland as part of the SICSA
Distinguished Visitor Fellowship programme from May 24th - 1st June 2011.

John Aycock is an Associate Professor at the University of Calgary,
Canada, in the Department of Computer Science. He researched compilers
once upon a time, then turned to computer security, where he conceived
and taught the University's "Computer Viruses and Malware" and "Spam and
Spyware" courses. He has published lots of papers and annoyed many
people; those two things are sometimes but not always related. He is the
author of two books on computer security, most recently "Spyware and
Adware" published in 2010 by Springer.

Among a number of other engagements during his visit (including a
keynote talk at the forthcoming SICSA PhD Conference) Professor Aycock
will be leading a talk at the University of Glasgow on 27th May 2011.
Details below:

Speaker: John Aycock, Associate Professor, University of Calgary, Canada
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011
Time: 4:00pm
Location: Level 5, Sir Alwyn Williams Building, University of Glasgow


           Title: Stux in a Rut: Why Stuxnet is Boring

Abstract: Stuxnet has been described as "a watershed moment" and "a
game-changer" for security. While one would expect those gushing
superlatives from mainstream media, the surprising source of those
comments is security researchers themselves.  I will begin by arguing
that Stuxnet is nothing short of unsurprising. In fact, there are few
game-changing moments in the history of malware, and I'll put that into
its proper context by identifying and discussing the handful of
"highlights" in the last few decades.  Why are we not seeing more
novelty in malware? It would be easy to dismiss malware authors as
untalented, unimaginative hacks, but the underlying cause may be deeper
than that. I'll look at whether the relationship between malware and
anti-malware is a contributing factor. Finally, if even the
highly-touted Stuxnet isn't interesting, what can we expect from malware
in the years to come?  I'll draw on some of our proactive threat
research to illustrate some potential directions.



From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Fri May 20 03:35:48 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 11:35:48 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Marpa::HTML
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=s=8zAOsN5AY-Oa9RvDva7sqe7Rg@mail.gmail.com>

There's been some chat on the lists about parsing real-world broken
HTML in Perl. I noticed this

http://search.cpan.org/dist/Marpa-HTML/lib/Marpa/HTML/Doc/HTML.pod

and wondered if anyone might be interested, or perhaps had used it?
The author claims that his underlying parsing engine
(http://search.cpan.org/~jkegl/Marpa-0.204000/lib/Marpa/Doc/Marpa.pod)
can parse any context-free grammar in O(n^3) time and any LL/LR/etc
grammar in O(n) time, and has nice error reporting. On the other hand,
he says it's alpha software (and Marpa::XS, released only a month ago,
is presumably doubly alpha).

There's more on Marpa and the author's mission to kill Yacc at his
blog, http://blogs.perl.org/users/jeffrey_kegler/.

Miles.

From hakim.cassimally at gmail.com  Fri May 20 04:03:01 2011
From: hakim.cassimally at gmail.com (Hakim Cassimally)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:03:01 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Marpa::HTML
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=s=8zAOsN5AY-Oa9RvDva7sqe7Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=s=8zAOsN5AY-Oa9RvDva7sqe7Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=ChfXKR+yadU60vS3-CoZczJ4Vzg@mail.gmail.com>

(Only tangentially related, but I finally played with Haskell's Parsec
and was amazed by it.  It was about as simple to declare as a
Parse::RecDescent parser, BUT it actually worked.)

osf'

On 20 May 2011 11:35, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> There's been some chat on the lists about parsing real-world broken
> HTML in Perl. I noticed this
>
> http://search.cpan.org/dist/Marpa-HTML/lib/Marpa/HTML/Doc/HTML.pod
>
> and wondered if anyone might be interested, or perhaps had used it?
> The author claims that his underlying parsing engine
> (http://search.cpan.org/~jkegl/Marpa-0.204000/lib/Marpa/Doc/Marpa.pod)
> can parse any context-free grammar in O(n^3) time and any LL/LR/etc
> grammar in O(n) time, and has nice error reporting. On the other hand,
> he says it's alpha software (and Marpa::XS, released only a month ago,
> is presumably doubly alpha).
>
> There's more on Marpa and the author's mission to kill Yacc at his
> blog, http://blogs.perl.org/users/jeffrey_kegler/.
>
> Miles.
> _______________________________________________
> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>

From perl at minty.org  Fri May 20 04:36:26 2011
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:36:26 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Marpa::HTML
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=ChfXKR+yadU60vS3-CoZczJ4Vzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=s=8zAOsN5AY-Oa9RvDva7sqe7Rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=ChfXKR+yadU60vS3-CoZczJ4Vzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110520113624.GM26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>

(disclaimer: not played with Marpa, tho it looks interesting)

At least when I've gone down this rabbit hole, the problem isn't the parsing
per se, but rather given this:

    <html>
      <h1>hi</
      <tr><td>foo</tr></td
    </body>
    </html>

What the bleedin' feck does it mean?

(no opening body tag, borked closing h1, no table tags, missing > on the
closing td & the closing td/tr being out of order).

The "problem" is that browsers will display that just fine (for some value of
"fine") and thus you do get real world insanity like this when your home brew
web crawler starts chewing on public web pages.

You're trying to extract meaning from the markup, but the markup is ambiguous,
even after a successful parse.

What is the heading? Is the content tabular?  What is the "text" for that page?

Marpa seems to have some smarts for missing/broken HTML, but I'd wager the
combined might of the internets can produce obscure html markup insanity faster
than any mortal can keep up.  Tho it is a shame the browser's rendering engines
behaviour isn't more exposed for re-purposing in this regard.

This isn't to say that Marpa might not be a massive big win for dealing with
this sorta thing, just that I'm guessing you're still going to be amazed at how
insane some markup can be and end up dealing with piecemeal exceptions in the
real world.  And for me, it's this that has historically dominated the pain.

All that said, Marpa sure looks worth further investigation.

(as would some kinda "but i'm on both those lists, so kindly only forward me
one copy ta" filtering service ... that isn't gmail ;)

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Sat May 21 09:32:32 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 17:32:32 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Marpa::HTML
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=ChfXKR+yadU60vS3-CoZczJ4Vzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=s=8zAOsN5AY-Oa9RvDva7sqe7Rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=ChfXKR+yadU60vS3-CoZczJ4Vzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=_341Js1Yvh0JvYU5QSPmSA+LK1Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Hakim Cassimally
<hakim.cassimally at gmail.com> wrote:
> (Only tangentially related, but I finally played with Haskell's Parsec
> and was amazed by it. ?It was about as simple to declare as a
> Parse::RecDescent parser, BUT it actually worked.)

Weird, my experience was the opposite. Parsec's nice enough until you
want to use a non-standard lexer, whereupon it becomes a nightmare;
P::RD Just Worked.

That said, I wasn't doing anything very complicated with either, and
this was several years ago. I understand Parsec's had at least one
major revision since then. Also, P::RD ended up dominating my app's
running time in many cases: not in the parsing, but in the runtime
construction of the parser itself! I don't think Parsec would have
this problem, or at least not to the same extent.

Miles

From hakim.cassimally at gmail.com  Sun May 22 13:31:45 2011
From: hakim.cassimally at gmail.com (Hakim Cassimally)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 21:31:45 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Marpa::HTML
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=_341Js1Yvh0JvYU5QSPmSA+LK1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=s=8zAOsN5AY-Oa9RvDva7sqe7Rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=ChfXKR+yadU60vS3-CoZczJ4Vzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=_341Js1Yvh0JvYU5QSPmSA+LK1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinez9=fu5NfrrnDJgxK6gJbNB7Dqw@mail.gmail.com>

On 21 May 2011 17:32, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Hakim Cassimally
> <hakim.cassimally at gmail.com> wrote:
>> (Only tangentially related, but I finally played with Haskell's Parsec
>> and was amazed by it. ?It was about as simple to declare as a
>> Parse::RecDescent parser, BUT it actually worked.)
>
> Weird, my experience was the opposite. Parsec's nice enough until you
> want to use a non-standard lexer, whereupon it becomes a nightmare;
> P::RD Just Worked.

I think it's mostly to do with the type-system actually.  Each parser combinator
returns a given data-type, so a) it's much clearer what you're doing,
and b) when
it compiles, it just works.

With P::RD, I'd get totally lost in how many layers of array-refs each rule had
wrapped its output in, and without a lightweight way of determining types,
everything ended up in a mess of hashrefs (my fault, I suppose, for
not declaring
OO classes for it).

That plus the whole "declare a DSL in a string" thing totally put me off PRD
(though I still think the *docs* for the module are a truly impressive piece of
technical writing).

osf'

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Mon May 23 04:55:39 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 12:55:39 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Marpa::HTML
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinez9=fu5NfrrnDJgxK6gJbNB7Dqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=s=8zAOsN5AY-Oa9RvDva7sqe7Rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=ChfXKR+yadU60vS3-CoZczJ4Vzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=_341Js1Yvh0JvYU5QSPmSA+LK1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinez9=fu5NfrrnDJgxK6gJbNB7Dqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTin6XnBz+F8-radRNCgThGAJoJQziw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Hakim Cassimally
<hakim.cassimally at gmail.com> wrote:
> With P::RD, I'd get totally lost in how many layers of array-refs each rule had
> wrapped its output in, and without a lightweight way of determining types,
> everything ended up in a mess of hashrefs (my fault, I suppose, for
> not declaring
> OO classes for it).

Actually, yeah, that sounds familiar :-)

> That plus the whole "declare a DSL in a string" thing totally put me off PRD

I wrote a (not very good) parser combinator library in Python once - I
wonder how well that would work in Perl? About equally well, I'd
expect.

> (though I still think the *docs* for the module are a truly impressive piece of
> technical writing).

Agreed!

Miles

From hakim.cassimally at gmail.com  Mon May 23 05:01:54 2011
From: hakim.cassimally at gmail.com (Hakim Cassimally)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 13:01:54 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Marpa::HTML
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTin6XnBz+F8-radRNCgThGAJoJQziw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=s=8zAOsN5AY-Oa9RvDva7sqe7Rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=ChfXKR+yadU60vS3-CoZczJ4Vzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=_341Js1Yvh0JvYU5QSPmSA+LK1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinez9=fu5NfrrnDJgxK6gJbNB7Dqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTin6XnBz+F8-radRNCgThGAJoJQziw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=i=5UOskoATseZK0X=SmCE5Ad9Ww@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 May 2011 12:55, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> I wrote a (not very good) parser combinator library in Python once - I
> wonder how well that would work in Perl? About equally well, I'd
> expect.

There's HOP::Parser.  I vaguely remember wanting to rewrite it
(possibly to use an implicit lazy stream implementation using
Scalar::Defer et al, instead of the explicit sub promise forcing.
Hmmm, and there was something else about the API I didn't like.  And
anyway, combinator parsers are so easy that rewriting from scratch
looks FUN!

osf'

From perl at minty.org  Wed May 25 03:18:56 2011
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:18:56 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
Message-ID: <20110525101855.GR26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>

A merry 5.14 to you all.

edinburgh.pm social tomorrow, thurs.  Sadly I won't be there, so someone might
want to call the Cumberland and reserve a table ...

but it's a toofer this month, as Dave Cross is in town.  I think Wed 1st of
June in the Cumberland being the plan.  I'll reserve a table for that one -- if
you're planning to come along, do let me know as I either get evil's from the
Cumberland staff for booking a table for 15 when 4 people turn up, or else from
(some) you lot when there isn't enough room ;)

murray.

From perl at minty.org  Wed May 25 03:26:30 2011
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:26:30 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
In-Reply-To: <20110525101855.GR26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
References: <20110525101855.GR26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20110525102628.GS26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>

ahem, technically a toofer *next* month ... what with May != June ...

... and apologies to the heretical planners for stepping on their toes ...

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:18:56AM +0100, Murray wrote:
> but it's a toofer this month, as Dave Cross is in town.  I think Wed 1st of
> June in the Cumberland being the plan.

From fontani at gmail.com  Wed May 25 03:29:42 2011
From: fontani at gmail.com (Marco Fontani)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:29:42 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
In-Reply-To: <20110525101855.GR26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
References: <20110525101855.GR26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinerMhik3Xix6O2Zg+T6OrtxyJ=Zg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> A merry 5.14 to you all.
perl -MConfig -lE'say "And merry $Config{api_versionstring} to you, too!"'

> someone might want to call the Cumberland and reserve a table
I think tomorrow we should have a couple more than the usual regulars.
Could the unnamed volunteer please book the table for ~12 people or so?
Our numbers seem to have grown a bit in the past couple months...

> I'll reserve a table for that one -- if
> you're planning to come along, do let me know as I either get evil's from the
> Cumberland staff for booking a table for 15 when 4 people turn up, or else from
> (some) you lot when there isn't enough room ;)

I will be there, count me in!

-marco-

-- 
Marco Fontani
Glasgow Perl Mongers - http://glasgow.pm.org/

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Wed May 25 03:59:16 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:59:16 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
In-Reply-To: <20110525102628.GS26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
References: <20110525101855.GR26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
	<20110525102628.GS26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BANLkTiny7Pjqg2wfToYB7UcOw7MvjqVz9A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> ahem, technically a toofer *next* month ... what with May != June ...

I make next month a threefer... It's threefer madness!

I'm planning to be there tomorrow. Ciorstaidh might join us too.

Miles

From perl at minty.org  Wed May 25 04:27:21 2011
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:27:21 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTiny7Pjqg2wfToYB7UcOw7MvjqVz9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110525101855.GR26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
	<20110525102628.GS26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
	<BANLkTiny7Pjqg2wfToYB7UcOw7MvjqVz9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110525112720.GA12650@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:59:16AM +0100, Miles Gould wrote:
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> > ahem, technically a toofer *next* month ... what with May != June ...
> 
> I make next month a threefer... It's threefer madness!

damn heretics ;)

I wonder if they'll try and do a picnic ...

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Wed May 25 07:35:52 2011
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:35:52 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTiny7Pjqg2wfToYB7UcOw7MvjqVz9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110525101855.GR26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
	<20110525102628.GS26052@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
	<BANLkTiny7Pjqg2wfToYB7UcOw7MvjqVz9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinXUcfkpEVhogOmE-nKhOb2a2U=aw@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be there tomorrow, too.

-- 
Aaron Crane
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From cyocum at gmail.com  Thu May 26 03:31:40 2011
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 11:31:40 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
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I should be there as well.  Has anyone booked a table yet?

Chris

On 25/05/11 15:35, Aaron Crane wrote:
> I'll be there tomorrow, too.
> 
> -- 
> Aaron Crane
> 
> 
> 
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From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Thu May 26 04:32:42 2011
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 12:32:42 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
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I'm planning on being there too.
Andrew

On 26 May 2011 11:31, Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:

> I should be there as well.  Has anyone booked a table yet?
>
> Chris
>
> On 25/05/11 15:35, Aaron Crane wrote:
> > I'll be there tomorrow, too.
> >
> > --
> > Aaron Crane
> >
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From fontani at gmail.com  Thu May 26 04:46:23 2011
From: fontani at gmail.com (Marco Fontani)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 12:46:23 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
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> On 26 May 2011 11:31, Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I should be there as well. ?Has anyone booked a table yet?

I don't think so...
Well volunteered!

-marco-

-- 
Marco Fontani
Glasgow Perl Mongers - http://glasgow.pm.org/

From cyocum at gmail.com  Thu May 26 05:17:20 2011
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:17:20 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] May, 5.14, Beer & Dave Cross.
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Ok, I have booked at table at 7pm for up to 12 for food and drink at the
Cumberland under Yocum.

Thanks,
Chris

On 26/05/11 12:46, Marco Fontani wrote:
>> On 26 May 2011 11:31, Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I should be there as well.  Has anyone booked a table yet?
> 
> I don't think so...
> Well volunteered!
> 
> -marco-
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From perl at minty.org  Sun May 29 04:41:30 2011
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 12:41:30 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Dundee Ahoy! Emergency Social! Wed 1st June
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 01:12:45PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> so let's say the 1st of June in the Cumberland?

Booked cumberlandbar.co.uk (in Edinburgh) from 18:30 for 8 people on Wed 1st
June, under the name Walker.

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Tue May 31 07:35:26 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:35:26 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Build systems
Message-ID: <BANLkTimUdsU1LwEgwxCYUrzbFEj-uOxWWw@mail.gmail.com>

So you know how I've spent the last year ranting drunkenly about how
insane and undebuggable our build system is, with its layers of
shell-that-interprets-DSLs-to-build-Makefiles-to-build-Makefiles? And
how I've wasted God only knows how much time and concentration doing
clean builds?

Today I committed this:

commit 9524bfa79dbc4759025440f93f6f2b65a805c795
Author: Miles Gould <mgould1 at sentinel.inf.ed.ac.uk>
Date:   Tue May 31 15:00:17 2011 +0100

    Added untracked .cgd files to the relevant Makefile.

     - also changed order to that output by ls, so it's easier to
identify missing
       files.

diff --git a/eng/cg-arc/cgd/Makefile b/eng/cg-arc/cgd/Makefile
index 52a12b3..a8c3b69 100644
--- a/eng/cg-arc/cgd/Makefile
+++ b/eng/cg-arc/cgd/Makefile
@@ -4,26 +4,31 @@

 SRCDIR = $(COSYROOT)/engines/cg/cgd
 CGD    = \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/arithmetic.cgd    \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/logical.cgd       \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/boolconst.cgd     \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/calling.cgd       \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/convert.cgd       \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/intrinsics.cgd    \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/move.cgd          \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/operators.cgd     \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/registers.cgd     \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/scheduler.cgd     \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/16bit.cgd         \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/longlong.cgd         \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/emit-ip.cgd       \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/match-ip.cgd      \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/cover-ip.cgd      \
-       $(SRCDIR)/rules/main.cgd          \
-       $(SRCDIR)/ddg/target.c      \
-       $(SRCDIR)/datagen/target.c  \
-       $(SRCDIR)/ccreg/target.c    \
-       $(SRCDIR)/setpsr/target.c
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/16bit.cgd               \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/arithmetic.cgd          \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/boolconst.cgd           \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/calling.cgd             \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/convert.cgd             \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/cover-ip.cgd            \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/emit-ip.cgd             \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/encore-brxx.cgd         \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/encore.cgd              \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/instructions-16.cgd     \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/instructions.cgd        \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/intrinsics.cgd          \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/logical.cgd             \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/longlong.cgd            \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/main.cgd                \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/match-ip.cgd            \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/move.cgd                \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/operators.cgd           \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/registers.cgd           \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/rex-ip.cgd              \
+       $(SRCDIR)/rules/scheduler.cgd           \
+       $(SRCDIR)/ddg/target.c          \
+       $(SRCDIR)/datagen/target.c              \
+       $(SRCDIR)/ccreg/target.c                \
+       $(SRCDIR)/setpsr/target.c

 pre-flattening: $(GENDIR)/GcgStat

I could have checked for that a year ago. I am *such* an idiot.

[Not all the Makefiles are generated, it turns out. This one, in
particular, isn't. The untracked files were added to the repo (but not
the Makefile) shortly before I started.]

Miles.