From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Fri Jul  8 13:38:31 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 21:38:31 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Embarrassingly n00bish question
Message-ID: <CAKFNCm18q5-C64GzAK5aV31ztnM974EDgNeQBAkOzZeXLKexWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I've got a script, which I of course wrote in Perl. I now want to
re-use some code from it in another script, so I've started to do what
I should have done in the first place and factored the guts out into a
library. That library needs to be visible to the calling scripts:
what's the best way of ensuring this?

Currently, my situation is this:

1) The scripts live in a git repo in ~/src/monkey/simga.
2) The module lives in ~/src/monkey/simga/lib/Sim/GA.pm.
3) Tests... yeah, that would be a good idea.
4) ~/lib/perl5/Sim is a symlink to ~/src/monkey/simga/lib/Sim.
5) ~/bin contains symlinks to the scripts.
6) ~/lib/perl5 is added to PERL5LIB by my .bashrc.
7) Similarly, ~/bin is added to PATH.

[It''s a genetic algorithm that simulates an embedded processor
running benchmarks as its fitness function, in order to tune compiler
parameters. Hence "Sim::GA", and my angry tweets about genetic quanta
and simulators that think the way to handle SIGTERMs is to drop into a
debug prompt. ~/src/monkey started out as a directory for small
throwaway scripts: as was probably inevitable, it's where most of my
code now lives.]

This situation is no doubt terrible in even more ways than I've worked
out for myself. Surely there must be a Better Way. So, how do you all
handle this situation? What awesome tools should I be using to manage
my dists? What should I read to better understand how Perl dists are
meant to work?

TIA,
Miles.

From robrwo at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 02:53:59 2011
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:53:59 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Embarrassingly n00bish question
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If it's your own workstation, then why not just install the Perl
modules using MakeMaker or Mobule::Build? (The are usually installed
in /usr/local, so won't interfere with your distro's Perl modules or
core ones.)

Otherwise, there are ways to install libraries in a local ~/lib
directory. Search Google.

http://search.cpan.org/~stbey/LocalModInstall-1.0/LocalModInstall.pl
may also be  useful.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've got a script, which I of course wrote in Perl. I now want to
> re-use some code from it in another script, so I've started to do what
> I should have done in the first place and factored the guts out into a
> library. That library needs to be visible to the calling scripts:
> what's the best way of ensuring this?
>
> Currently, my situation is this:
>
> 1) The scripts live in a git repo in ~/src/monkey/simga.
> 2) The module lives in ~/src/monkey/simga/lib/Sim/GA.pm.
> 3) Tests... yeah, that would be a good idea.
> 4) ~/lib/perl5/Sim is a symlink to ~/src/monkey/simga/lib/Sim.
> 5) ~/bin contains symlinks to the scripts.
> 6) ~/lib/perl5 is added to PERL5LIB by my .bashrc.
> 7) Similarly, ~/bin is added to PATH.
>
> [It''s a genetic algorithm that simulates an embedded processor
> running benchmarks as its fitness function, in order to tune compiler
> parameters. Hence "Sim::GA", and my angry tweets about genetic quanta
> and simulators that think the way to handle SIGTERMs is to drop into a
> debug prompt. ~/src/monkey started out as a directory for small
> throwaway scripts: as was probably inevitable, it's where most of my
> code now lives.]
>
> This situation is no doubt terrible in even more ways than I've worked
> out for myself. Surely there must be a Better Way. So, how do you all
> handle this situation? What awesome tools should I be using to manage
> my dists? What should I read to better understand how Perl dists are
> meant to work?
>
> TIA,
> Miles.
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From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Sun Jul 10 11:16:51 2011
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:16:51 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Embarrassingly n00bish question
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Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> This situation is no doubt terrible in even more ways than I've worked
> out for myself. Surely there must be a Better Way. So, how do you all
> handle this situation?

I do the following:

1. My ~/usr is under revision control.[1]

2. ~/usr/bin contains private scripts ? things that aren't worth
open-sourcing, for one reason or another.

3. ~/usr/bin/usrdeploy is a program that symlinks dotfiles from
~/usr/etc into ~.

4. My ~/.bash_profile (installed from ~/usr/etc/bash/profile) adds
~/usr/bin (and other directories as needed) to $PATH.

5. Some of the scripts in ~/usr/bin use libraries from ~/usr/lib.
Those that do begin with the incantation `use FindBin; use lib
"$FindBin::Bin/../lib;"`, so they automatically find the nearby
libraries.[3]

6. ~/usr/t contains some tests, which I can run with `cd ~/usr &&
prove -l t`.[4]

Note that nothing is added to $PERL5LIB or similar, or indeed to
anything other than $PATH; this makes such variables available for use
by any insane piece of software that wants to blindly overwrite them
for its own nefarious purposes.

Item (5) in my list means that it's important for ~/usr/bin to be in
$PATH directly, rather than having its contents symlinked into (say)
~/bin.  If that weren't the case, FindBin would pick the ../lib
relative to the symlinked directory, which presumably doesn't contain
the necessary libraries.  That could be fixed by symlinking ~/usr/lib
into ~/bin, but I'm not convinced that doing so would be a useful
change.

In general, my approach to ~/usr implies that anything I want to use
in my personal environment must be either run directly from ~/usr, or
installed system-wide; further, my preferences mean that "installed
system-wide" typically means "installed as a Debian package".  That
was a reasonable decision when I made it in 2003, but it does have a
deficiency: in practice, it's too hard to extend my environment with
random wee things (from Github, CPAN, etc) that aren't big or
well-known enough to have Debian packages.  (This would perhaps also
be a problem for your various things in ~/src/monkey, if you wanted to
adopt my approach.)  My vague plan is to extend usrdeploy to handle
such things, but I haven't got there yet.

> What awesome tools should I be using to manage
> my dists? What should I read to better understand how Perl dists are
> meant to work?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking there.  I take it you don't mean
things like Dist::Zilla?

Also, I'm eagerly following Miyagawa's work on Carton, which looks
like it may help enormously with the "aggregating third-party
software" part of the problem:

https://github.com/miyagawa/carton

[1] That's been true for nearly eight years by now, and doing that was
one of the best decisions I've ever made.  Every motivation for using
revision control for software development also applies to your
dotfiles.  And in addition, note that every change you make to your
dotfiles is in practice tried out on the machine where you first
discovered a need for it, before being rolled out to everywhere else
you log in.  That is, dotfile development is almost always
"concurrent", in the sense used by CVS.  So pseudo-revision-control ?
tarball archiving or similar ? just doesn't work well.  Not to mention
that, given only a Git client, a minute or so is long enough to bring
up my personal environment on a new account: `git clone
me at myserver.example.com:git/usr.git && usr/bin/usrdeploy`, followed by
logging out and back in again.

[2] It's a little more complicated than that; some dotfiles are
effectively templated to take OS differences into account, and some
have to be copied so that they can be mode 600 as required by the
program that uses them, and so on.  But that's the basic idea.

[3] This may not be entirely reliable in some weird situations,
because FindBin is designed to do almost exactly the wrong thing: it
prays that the full pathname to the script is in argv[0] (false in
some circumstances and on some OSes), or if not, that the script was
found in one of the directories in $PATH (which is clearly
ridiculous).  This is particularly bizarre given that Perl knows full
well the name of any file it's reading, and provides it in both
`__FILE__` and `(caller $n)[1]`.  The correct approach is more like

use Path::Class qw<file>;
use lib file(__FILE__)->dir->subdir('lib')->stringify;

but that relies on having Path::Class installed before I can run any
script that uses one of my own libraries (and I do use this setup on
the very occasional servers where I don't have root access, so this
matters to me).  Since Perl ships with FindBin, and it mostly works
fine in most situations I care about, this is a reasonable trade-off
for me.  If Perl had __DIR__ to go along with __FILE__, or it shipped
with Dir::Self, or I cared less about being able to bootstrap some of
my tools without installing any extra software, the trade-off would
change.

[4] Using the `-l` option means my test scripts don't need the FindBin
incantation.

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Mon Jul 11 03:57:27 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:57:27 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Embarrassingly n00bish question
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk> wrote:
> Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
>> This situation is no doubt terrible in even more ways than I've worked
>> out for myself. Surely there must be a Better Way. So, how do you all
>> handle this situation?
>
> I do the following:
>
> 1. My ~/usr is under revision control.[1]

Aha! I'd thought you kept ~ under revision control, which I'm
reluctant to do. Having a private ~/usr makes a lot more sense to me.
How do you handle machine-specific configuration? Do you source
`hostname`.bashrc from your main .bashrc or something?

>> What awesome tools should I be using to manage
>> my dists? What should I read to better understand how Perl dists are
>> meant to work?
>
> I'm not quite sure what you're asking there. ?I take it you don't mean
> things like Dist::Zilla?

I'm not sure - my map of the toolscape is largely blank. Am I right in
thinking that Dist::Zilla solves the problem "I have a git repo, and I
want to turn it into a tarball with embedded Makefile.PL that can be
uploaded to CPAN and/or installed"? I did look into it for the Oyster
hackathon, but the volume of documentation overflowed my input
buffers.

[FWIW: I don't have root access to the machine concerned - at least, I
don't have root access to all the machines concerned.]

Miles

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Mon Jul 11 04:43:14 2011
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:43:14 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Embarrassingly n00bish question
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Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk> wrote:
>> 1. My ~/usr is under revision control.[1]
>
> Aha! I'd thought you kept ~ under revision control, which I'm
> reluctant to do.

Me too.  That's always sounded... awkward to me.

> Having a private ~/usr makes a lot more sense to me.
> How do you handle machine-specific configuration? Do you source
> `hostname`.bashrc from your main .bashrc or something?

Yep, pretty much.

$ tail -5 ~/.bash_profile
## Machine-specific configuration
f=~/usr/etc/bash/rc.$HOSTNAME
[ -f $f ] && . $f

: # Ensure $? is 0

Except that, in practice, it's years since I actually needed to put
anything in one of those.  Where possible, it seems better to
autodetect the right behaviour rather than picking it based on mere
hostname.  For example, I use Emacs on my main computer, so I want
$EDITOR to be emacsclient (to open files in my running Emacs
instance).  But I don't like Emacs over a plain tty, so on servers I
want $EDITOR to be vim.  That decision could be made on a per-host
basis, but I prefer to set $EDITOR to be ~/usr/bin/e, a script which
execs emacsclient (if it exists and there's a running Emacs) or vim
(if it exists), or vi (as a fallback).

>> I'm not quite sure what you're asking there. ?I take it you don't mean
>> things like Dist::Zilla?
>
> I'm not sure - my map of the toolscape is largely blank. Am I right in
> thinking that Dist::Zilla solves the problem "I have a git repo, and I
> want to turn it into a tarball with embedded Makefile.PL that can be
> uploaded to CPAN and/or installed"? I did look into it for the Oyster
> hackathon, but the volume of documentation overflowed my input
> buffers.

I haven't used it, but my understanding is that its target problem
space is roughly "I have a Perl dist that I'd like to upload to CPAN",
except its target audience probably has a large number of such dists,
and it might be "my local darkpan" rather than "CPAN".  I gather it
does things like automating the update of $VERSION across all the
library files in a dist, and regenerating the README from the POD, and
all the other little things that you might need to do before pushing a
tarball to CPAN.  And, yes, if you're using Git, it can automatically
commit version-number changes, and tag the repo, and so on.

While that's all good stuff, it doesn't seem to be directly related to
the problem of "I have some private code that I'd like to easily run
out of its Git repo".

> [FWIW: I don't have root access to the machine concerned - at least, I
> don't have root access to all the machines concerned.]

I think that means that, if you want to install things from CPAN (or
things that look like CPAN dists even if they aren't on CPAN), you'll
want a personal Perl (possibly using perlbrew) and/or local::lib on
the machines where you don't have root.  (Not that I've used either of
them.)

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Mon Jul 11 05:41:38 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:41:38 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Embarrassingly n00bish question
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On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk> wrote:
> Except that, in practice, it's years since I actually needed to put
> anything in one of those.

I have a lot of "cd to $commonly_used_directory" aliases, but the
location of $commonly_used_directory can vary on a per-machine basis
depending on whether $HOME is local storage or a network share.

> I think that means that, if you want to install things from CPAN (or
> things that look like CPAN dists even if they aren't on CPAN), you'll
> want a personal Perl (possibly using perlbrew) and/or local::lib on
> the machines where you don't have root. ?(Not that I've used either of
> them.)

I tried installing local::lib, but got errors: I could probably get it
to work if I turned off my PERL5LIB setting. But it's not clear to me
what local::lib offers over setting PERL5LIB and running cpan as an
ordinary user, which is how I currently install CPAN modules.

Miles

From hakim.cassimally at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 06:18:58 2011
From: hakim.cassimally at gmail.com (Hakim Cassimally)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:18:58 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Embarrassingly n00bish question
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On 11 July 2011 13:41, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> I tried installing local::lib, but got errors: I could probably get it
> to work if I turned off my PERL5LIB setting. But it's not clear to me
> what local::lib offers over setting PERL5LIB and running cpan as an
> ordinary user, which is how I currently install CPAN modules.

I think that's effectively it.  Though local::lib has support for all the
cpan{,p,m,etc} tools so in theory is easier.

osf'

From cyocum at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 02:29:06 2011
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:29:06 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting?
Message-ID: <4E2E88E2.2080607@gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I think it is that time of the month again.  I was thinking of booking a
table.  If you are coming, please let me know so I can give them a rough
estimate.

Thanks!,
Chris

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From fontani at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 02:40:42 2011
From: fontani at gmail.com (Marco Fontani)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:40:42 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting?
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> I think it is that time of the month again.  I was thinking of booking a
> table.  If you are coming, please let me know so I can give them a rough
> estimate.

Preemptive volunteering, me likes!

I will be there!

By the way, are people generally interested in having a barbecue together?
Would you rather one during the week, or at the weekend? (when would you be able to make it?)

We can discuss this at the meeting if you'd like

-marco-

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From perl at minty.org  Tue Jul 26 03:19:08 2011
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:19:08 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting?
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40:42AM +0100, Marco Fontani wrote:
> > I think it is that time of the month again.  I was thinking of booking a
> > table.  If you are coming, please let me know so I can give them a rough
> > estimate.

Sadly, I probably won't, as friends are coming to town.

> By the way, are people generally interested in having a barbecue together?
> Would you rather one during the week, or at the weekend? (when would you be
> able to make it?)

One comment : Cumberland has a beer garden, and we can move inside when it gets
colder.

Also, I setup a poll.  It has 2 parts - vote on location & preferred day(s).

http://www.doodle.com/pxndpwwzqaqnfhwx

You can vote for multiple things - so pick all options you are happy with!

If anyone has alternative locations, shout and I'll add, tho note if you delay,
you're decreasing your chances!

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Tue Jul 26 03:59:36 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:59:36 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting?
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40:42AM +0100, Marco Fontani wrote:
>> > I think it is that time of the month again. ?I was thinking of booking a
>> > table. ?If you are coming, please let me know so I can give them a rough
>> > estimate.

I'm planning to be there.

Miles

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Tue Jul 26 07:04:13 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:04:13 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting?
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>> By the way, are people generally interested in having a barbecue together?
>> Would you rather one during the week, or at the weekend? (when would you be
>> able to make it?)

Are these questions about general Mondays/Tuesdays/etc, or next week
specifically? Or some other week?

Miles

From fontani at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 07:06:17 2011
From: fontani at gmail.com (Marco Fontani)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:06:17 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting?
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>>> By the way, are people generally interested in having a barbecue together?
>>> Would you rather one during the week, or at the weekend? (when would you be
>>> able to make it?)
> Are these questions about general Mondays/Tuesdays/etc, or next week
> specifically? Or some other week?

Generally speaking, so that I/we can plan a suitable time later on; say, in August.

A potentially suitable date may be the Saturday between the Dynamic Languages conference and the Turing Conference Sunday event (both events at which RMS will speak).

If instead many people say they won't do it on a Saturday, we'd have to think a bit more about it ;)

-marco-

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From cyocum at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 01:57:18 2011
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:57:18 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting
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Hi Guys,

I only have three people (including myself) who have stated an interest
in the Cumberland Bar for tomorrow.  I don't think this is enough to
request a table so if anyone else is coming please let me know.  I
figure a minyin is 5 in this case.

Thanks,
Chris

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From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Wed Jul 27 03:32:44 2011
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:32:44 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting
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Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cumberland Bar tomorrow

I should be there too.

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From cyocum at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 03:38:47 2011
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:38:47 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting
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Great.  Thanks!  That's four that I know of.  I just need one more
person to say they are coming and I will make the call.

Chris

On 27/07/11 11:32, Aaron Crane wrote:
> Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cumberland Bar tomorrow
> 
> I should be there too.
> 

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From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Wed Jul 27 05:52:12 2011
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:52:12 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting
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On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
> I only have three people (including myself) who have stated an interest
> in the Cumberland Bar for tomorrow. ?I don't think this is enough to
> request a table so if anyone else is coming please let me know. ?I
> figure a minyin is 5 in this case.

*Googles for "minyin"*

I guess it's no dafter than me saying "outwith", "X needs done", or "aye"...

Miles

From robrwo at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 04:55:49 2011
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:55:49 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting
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On 27/07/11 13:52 Miles Gould wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I only have three people (including myself) who have stated an interest
>> in the Cumberland Bar for tomorrow.  I don't think this is enough to
>> request a table so if anyone else is coming please let me know.  I
>> figure a minyin is 5 in this case.
> 
> *Googles for "minyin"*
> 
> I guess it's no dafter than me saying "outwith", "X needs done", or "aye"...

Huh? Is there some divine minimum number of attendees required for it to be
a sanctified Perl Mongers meeting?

From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 05:05:19 2011
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:05:19 +0100
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Sorry, the rain  caused me to forget it was on last night.
Andrew

On 29 July 2011 12:55, Robert Rothenberg <robrwo at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 27/07/11 13:52 Miles Gould wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I only have three people (including myself) who have stated an interest
> >> in the Cumberland Bar for tomorrow.  I don't think this is enough to
> >> request a table so if anyone else is coming please let me know.  I
> >> figure a minyin is 5 in this case.
> >
> > *Googles for "minyin"*
> >
> > I guess it's no dafter than me saying "outwith", "X needs done", or
> "aye"...
>
> Huh? Is there some divine minimum number of attendees required for it to be
> a sanctified Perl Mongers meeting?
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