From robrwo at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 01:11:50 2009
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:11:50 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
Message-ID: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>

It's that time of year again--the sun doesn't set until late, the
weather's less intolerable (and sometimes even fairly nice), and the
tourists are taking over City Centre. So I propose another picnic on
Calton Hill.

The question is when: should we try for the usual fourth Thursday, on
25 June? Or one of the Thursdays in July (23 or 30, for the heretics)?

On a completely unrelated note, here's "A Brief, Incomplete, and
Mostly Wrong History of Programming Languages" which I stumbled across
recently:

http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Wed Jun  3 03:50:20 2009
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:50:20 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>;
	from robrwo@gmail.com on Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:11:50AM +0100
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090603115020.A28829@assyrian.org.uk>

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:11:50AM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
> It's that time of year again--the sun doesn't set until late, the
> weather's less intolerable (and sometimes even fairly nice), and the
> tourists are taking over City Centre. So I propose another picnic on
> Calton Hill.

What a good idea!

> The question is when: should we try for the usual fourth Thursday, on
> 25 June? Or one of the Thursdays in July (23 or 30, for the heretics)?

I think we should try the 25th of this month - we can always defer if it
rains.

Miles

-- 
Life is like finding a tenner on the ground; you can't give it back to
anyone, and hey, it's yours now, so you may as well spend it on
something nice.
  -- Laurie Penny

From robrwo at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 07:24:22 2009
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:24:22 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <20090603115020.A28829@assyrian.org.uk>
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090603115020.A28829@assyrian.org.uk>
Message-ID: <f24c02960906070724m77b1dadex956e827df43b71c5@mail.gmail.com>

No answers from anyone else?

Shall we set the next PM meeting on 25 June for Calton Hill? I assume
in the spot overlooking the crags behind the acropolis (where we've
had previous picnics).  If there's rain, we can move to Guilford Arms
instead.

Rob

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Miles Gould<miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:11:50AM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
>> It's that time of year again--the sun doesn't set until late, the
>> weather's less intolerable (and sometimes even fairly nice), and the
>> tourists are taking over City Centre. So I propose another picnic on
>> Calton Hill.
>
> What a good idea!
>
>> The question is when: should we try for the usual fourth Thursday, on
>> 25 June? Or one of the Thursdays in July (23 or 30, for the heretics)?
>
> I think we should try the 25th of this month - we can always defer if it
> rains.
>
> Miles
>
> --
> Life is like finding a tenner on the ground; you can't give it back to
> anyone, and hey, it's yours now, so you may as well spend it on
> something nice.
> ?-- Laurie Penny
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>

From perl at minty.org  Sun Jun  7 13:40:25 2009
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:40:25 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <f24c02960906070724m77b1dadex956e827df43b71c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603115020.A28829@assyrian.org.uk>
	<f24c02960906070724m77b1dadex956e827df43b71c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090607204025.GH21168@minty.org>

On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 03:24:22PM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
> No answers from anyone else?

Bah, booked tixs earlier for http://www.picturehouses.co.uk/ntlive
without realising it was the 4th thur ... but if you're still out post
9, I'll come for last orders / sunset .. or might the heretics picnic
also?

Online calendars are useless when you are offline

From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 19:29:00 2009
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 03:29:00 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <20090607204025.GH21168@minty.org>
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603115020.A28829@assyrian.org.uk>
	<f24c02960906070724m77b1dadex956e827df43b71c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090607204025.GH21168@minty.org>
Message-ID: <1e11fb0e0906071929p2cc3b829sca649001558a322f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Murray.
I'm not a mathematician. We'll have to defer to Rob.
Your last sentence doesn't read right.  How can you assign attributes to a
calendar if its not in scope!  I think all files should be editable by ViM.
You should export your calendar before going off-line, You can edit it with
ViM,then import it when you go on-line. Doesn't sound like rocket science.
On a moon mission you'd have to do that when out of contact behind the
moon.   Will your next car with a Microsoft controlled dashboard do that
with its Outlook Diary and sync with your mobile phone ?

My Mum who's 86 this year has Dementia. She got a new Freeview TV and
doesn't understand what these BBC3,BBC4,ITV3,ITV4,etc channels are. The
content onCH4,CH4+1,E4,etc are even a  bit of a mystery to me!  I know the
names of everyone in Sex in the City, and most of The Simpsons, but I've not
got to grips with Friends!

--
Andrew

2009/6/7 Murray <perl at minty.org>

> On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 03:24:22PM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
> > No answers from anyone else?
>
> Bah, booked tixs earlier for http://www.picturehouses.co.uk/ntlive
> without realising it was the 4th thur ... but if you're still out post
> 9, I'll come for last orders / sunset .. or might the heretics picnic
> also?
>
> Online calendars are useless when you are offline
> _______________________________________________
> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
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From robrwo at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 02:02:49 2009
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:02:49 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <20090607204025.GH21168@minty.org>
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603115020.A28829@assyrian.org.uk>
	<f24c02960906070724m77b1dadex956e827df43b71c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090607204025.GH21168@minty.org>
Message-ID: <4A2CD3B9.4030707@gmail.com>


Better idea. Let's schedule using a poll:

http://www.doodle.com/is6gcb9a92qhfiym



On 07/06/09 21:40 Murray wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 03:24:22PM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
>> No answers from anyone else?
> 
> Bah, booked tixs earlier for http://www.picturehouses.co.uk/ntlive
> without realising it was the 4th thur ... but if you're still out post
> 9, I'll come for last orders / sunset .. or might the heretics picnic
> also?
> 
> Online calendars are useless when you are offline



From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Mon Jun  8 03:45:19 2009
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:45:19 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <20090607204025.GH21168@minty.org>;
	from perl@minty.org on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 09:40:25PM +0100
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603115020.A28829@assyrian.org.uk>
	<f24c02960906070724m77b1dadex956e827df43b71c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090607204025.GH21168@minty.org>
Message-ID: <20090608114518.B20765@assyrian.org.uk>

On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 09:40:25PM +0100, Murray wrote:
> Bah, booked tixs earlier for http://www.picturehouses.co.uk/ntlive
> without realising it was the 4th thur ... but if you're still out post
> 9, I'll come for last orders / sunset ..

I imagine we'll still be doing something come 9, though possibly
indoors. Or we could all bring blankets/sleeping bags/general
machismo/etc and stay out for sunset.

> or might the heretics picnic also?

There's no Heretics meeting this month. We might have a Heretics Picnic
next month, but I actually had a Sinister Plan for the Heretics meeting
already...

> Online calendars are useless when you are offline

True (which is why I don't use one...). But one should still be able to
add 7 to 25 and observe that the answer's greater than 30 without an
Internet connection :-)

Miles

-- 
I'd like to buy the world a Coke. Diet, obviously, because it's watching
its weight.
  -- Robert Colvile

From robrwo at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 00:50:55 2009
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:50:55 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <4A2CD3B9.4030707@gmail.com>
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090603115020.A28829@assyrian.org.uk>
	<f24c02960906070724m77b1dadex956e827df43b71c5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090607204025.GH21168@minty.org> <4A2CD3B9.4030707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f24c02960906100050r7d5f2c78q2ad6e0a9b113f714@mail.gmail.com>

Ahem. There's a poll....

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Robert Rothenberg<robrwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Better idea. Let's schedule using a poll:
>
> http://www.doodle.com/is6gcb9a92qhfiym
>
>

From robrwo at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 23:07:45 2009
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:07:45 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f24c02960906152307j68b6db98v4cf1b64c1852334c@mail.gmail.com>

>From the votes at http://www.doodle.com/is6gcb9a92qhfiym, I'd guess
that 30 June is the preferred date for the picnic.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Robert Rothenberg<robrwo at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's that time of year again--the sun doesn't set until late, the
> weather's less intolerable (and sometimes even fairly nice), and the
> tourists are taking over City Centre. So I propose another picnic on
> Calton Hill.
>
> The question is when: should we try for the usual fourth Thursday, on
> 25 June? Or one of the Thursdays in July (23 or 30, for the heretics)?

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Tue Jun 16 02:18:15 2009
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:18:15 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <f24c02960906152307j68b6db98v4cf1b64c1852334c@mail.gmail.com>;
	from robrwo@gmail.com on Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 07:07:45AM +0100
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>
	<f24c02960906152307j68b6db98v4cf1b64c1852334c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090616101815.A6296@assyrian.org.uk>

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 07:07:45AM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
> >From the votes at http://www.doodle.com/is6gcb9a92qhfiym, I'd guess
> that 30 June is the preferred date for the picnic.

Do you mean 30 July?

Miles

-- 
The progression of a Lisp programmer: The newbie realizes that the
difference between code and data is trivial. The expert realizes that
all code is data. And the true master realizes that all data is code.
  -- Sriram Krishnan

From robrwo at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 02:40:21 2009
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:40:21 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <20090616101815.A6296@assyrian.org.uk>
References: <f24c02960906030111r7a3578f4r5ed80ed24c571106@mail.gmail.com>
	<f24c02960906152307j68b6db98v4cf1b64c1852334c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090616101815.A6296@assyrian.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4A376885.4010807@gmail.com>

On 16/06/09 10:18 Miles Gould wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 07:07:45AM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
>> >From the votes at http://www.doodle.com/is6gcb9a92qhfiym, I'd guess
>> that 30 June is the preferred date for the picnic.
> 
> Do you mean 30 July?

Yes. My bad.

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 07:56:29 2009
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:56:29 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting tonight
Message-ID: <20090625145629.GF7675@aaroncrane.co.uk>

Not much notice, I know, but still: I'm planning to be at the
Guildford Arms for the normal (orthodox) meeting tonight.

See lots of you there, I hope.

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From robrwo at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 08:40:28 2009
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:40:28 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <20090625145629.GF7675@aaroncrane.co.uk>
References: <20090625145629.GF7675@aaroncrane.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A439A6C.6050305@gmail.com>

On 25/06/09 15:56 Aaron Crane wrote:
> Not much notice, I know, but still: I'm planning to be at the
> Guildford Arms for the normal (orthodox) meeting tonight.

Don't think that I can make it tonight.  I'm working late.



From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Thu Jun 25 08:49:10 2009
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:49:10 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <4A439A6C.6050305@gmail.com>;
	from robrwo@gmail.com on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 04:40:28PM +0100
References: <20090625145629.GF7675@aaroncrane.co.uk>
	<4A439A6C.6050305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090625164910.B1601@assyrian.org.uk>

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 04:40:28PM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
> On 25/06/09 15:56 Aaron Crane wrote:
> > Not much notice, I know, but still: I'm planning to be at the
> > Guildford Arms for the normal (orthodox) meeting tonight.
> 
> Don't think that I can make it tonight.  I'm working late.

I should be along for at least a bit: on the other hand, the final final
/final/ deadline for our product launch, with Blur and Joanna Lumley and
all sorts of other folk who Don't Want To Be Kept Waiting, is tomorrow.

Yay, startups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctQUjnj81Mw  <-- This is the project,
though we didn't do the YouTube bit.

Miles

-- 
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.
Then you win.
  -- Gandhi

From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 09:59:18 2009
From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick Woolley)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:59:18 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <20090625164910.B1601@assyrian.org.uk>
References: <20090625145629.GF7675@aaroncrane.co.uk>	<4A439A6C.6050305@gmail.com>
	<20090625164910.B1601@assyrian.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4A43ACE6.3040302@yahoo.co.uk>

Miles Gould wrote:
> I should be along for at least a bit: on the other hand, the final final
> /final/ deadline for our product launch, with Blur and Joanna Lumley and
> all sorts of other folk who Don't Want To Be Kept Waiting, is tomorrow.
> 
> Yay, startups.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctQUjnj81Mw  <-- This is the project,
> though we didn't do the YouTube bit.

I like the animation.  If you didn't do that, then what *is* the product?

Is something to do with "Winterwell"?

- Nick, who *might* be there if he finishes stripping the bathroom and gets
permission to skip his chores.

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Thu Jun 25 10:57:57 2009
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:57:57 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <4A43ACE6.3040302@yahoo.co.uk>;
	from nickwoolley@yahoo.co.uk on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:59:18PM
	+0100
References: <20090625145629.GF7675@aaroncrane.co.uk>
	<4A439A6C.6050305@gmail.com> <20090625164910.B1601@assyrian.org.uk>
	<4A43ACE6.3040302@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20090625185756.A23839@assyrian.org.uk>

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:59:18PM +0100, Nick Woolley wrote:
> I like the animation.  If you didn't do that, then what *is* the product?

Another way to register "handprints" is to send Twitter messages to a
particular account, where a little chatbot that we wrote listens out for
them, classifies what kind of good deed you've vowed to do (using
Exciting Techniques from the cutting-edge world of AI research), then
a week or two later it pings you back and asks if you've actually done
what you said you'd do.

I have been banned from Twitter for overuse four times so far in the
course of this project.

[And yes, this is under the auspices of Winterwell Associates.]

Miles

-- 
The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held,
but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are
held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any
moment lead to their abandonment.
  -- Bertrand Russell

From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 11:53:50 2009
From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick Woolley)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:53:50 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <20090625185756.A23839@assyrian.org.uk>
References: <20090625145629.GF7675@aaroncrane.co.uk>	<4A439A6C.6050305@gmail.com>
	<20090625164910.B1601@assyrian.org.uk>	<4A43ACE6.3040302@yahoo.co.uk>
	<20090625185756.A23839@assyrian.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4A43C7BE.5030700@yahoo.co.uk>

Miles Gould wrote:
> Another way to register "handprints" is to send Twitter messages to a
> particular account, where a little chatbot that we wrote listens out for
> them, classifies what kind of good deed you've vowed to do (using
> Exciting Techniques from the cutting-edge world of AI research), then
> a week or two later it pings you back and asks if you've actually done
> what you said you'd do.

Step 3: Profit?

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Thu Jun 25 13:57:01 2009
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:57:01 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <4A43C7BE.5030700@yahoo.co.uk>;
	from nickwoolley@yahoo.co.uk on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 07:53:50PM
	+0100
References: <20090625145629.GF7675@aaroncrane.co.uk>
	<4A439A6C.6050305@gmail.com> <20090625164910.B1601@assyrian.org.uk>
	<4A43ACE6.3040302@yahoo.co.uk>
	<20090625185756.A23839@assyrian.org.uk>
	<4A43C7BE.5030700@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20090625215701.A22329@assyrian.org.uk>

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 07:53:50PM +0100, Nick Woolley wrote:
> Miles Gould wrote:
> > Another way to register "handprints" is to send Twitter messages to a
> > particular account, where a little chatbot that we wrote listens out for
> > them, classifies what kind of good deed you've vowed to do (using
> > Exciting Techniques from the cutting-edge world of AI research), then
> > a week or two later it pings you back and asks if you've actually done
> > what you said you'd do.
> 
> Step 3: Profit?

That's the badger :-)

Miles

-- 
Like all the gaijin, I am now speaking fluent Japlish. Sugoi, neh?
  -- Francine Rump, on the expat experience