From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Sat May 10 06:57:28 2008 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:57:28 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 14th May Message-ID: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> The second Wednesday of the month is rolling inexorably towards us, bringing our regular meeting with it. I plan to be there; hope lots of you will be also. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com Sat May 10 11:40:09 2008 From: wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com (Wim Vanderbauwhede) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:40:09 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 14th May In-Reply-To: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm very sorry to have to miss it once again, but I'm away for work :-( Any news about the hackathon? Wim 2008/5/10 Aaron Crane : > The second Wednesday of the month is rolling inexorably towards us, > bringing our regular meeting with it. > > I plan to be there; hope lots of you will be also. > > -- > Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -- If it's pointless, what's the point? If there is a point to it, what's the point? (Tibor Fischer, "The Thought Gang") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080510/1228ff8b/attachment.html From perl at minty.org Sat May 10 13:14:07 2008 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 21:14:07 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 14th May In-Reply-To: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <20080510201407.GT6069@minty.org> Sadly, scheduling shenanigans sabotages supping sweet scotch From robrwo at gmail.com Sun May 11 04:11:05 2008 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:11:05 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 14th May In-Reply-To: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: I expect to be there. From cyocum at gmail.com Sun May 11 04:15:56 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:15:56 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 14th May In-Reply-To: References: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <82bb54530805110415u4fa78570x68db9691968e6a30@mail.gmail.com> I should be as well. On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Robert Rothenberg wrote: > I expect to be there. > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From robert at interactive.co.uk Sun May 11 14:21:30 2008 From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:21:30 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 14th May In-Reply-To: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <7b89f0790805111421y78cbe81ay832da86bb973539@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Aaron Crane wrote: > The second Wednesday of the month is rolling inexorably towards us, > bringing our regular meeting with it. > > I plan to be there; hope lots of you will be also. I'm aiming to be there, but the Hash is Way Out West this week, so depending on how I get there, I may be later than usual... But just in case I don't make it... Last year, I organised a croquet session one evening on the Meadows. Several people said they enjoyed it, and would like to do it again. So I'm now trying to gauge the level of interest. If there is enough interest, I'll try to organise something during June (though it won't be the 11th: I'm setting the hash that night!) I'd probably follow the same format as last year, with some time spent getting the feel of waving a mallet about and learning the rules, the moving on to "having a go" on a half-sized lawn. Being in June means it will be light quite late, so we'll have more time to actually PLAY than at last year's event. Let me know if you're interested, either on Wednesday, or by email. Robert. -- Robert Inder 0131 229 1052 / 07808 492 213 Interactive Information Ltd, 3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689 Interactions speak louder than words From perl at minty.org Sun May 11 14:25:05 2008 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:25:05 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 14th May In-Reply-To: <7b89f0790805111421y78cbe81ay832da86bb973539@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080510135728.GA21677@aaroncrane.co.uk> <7b89f0790805111421y78cbe81ay832da86bb973539@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080511212504.GA6069@minty.org> > Last year, I organised a croquet session one evening on the Meadows. > > Several people said they enjoyed it, and would like to do it again. Would love to. From robert at interactive.co.uk Fri May 16 02:09:44 2008 From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:09:44 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Hackathon venue Message-ID: <7b89f0790805160209y765ed6fek98336e782af43469@mail.gmail.com> I noticed that the Filmhouse has free WiFi, and sell food and good beer. The enclosed bit off their main bar/restaurant has eight or ten tables... Just a thougth... Robert. -- Robert Inder 0131 229 1052 / 07808 492 213 Interactive Information Ltd, 3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689 Interactions speak louder than words From asmith9983 at gmail.com Fri May 16 03:19:39 2008 From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:19:39 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Hackathon venue In-Reply-To: <7b89f0790805160209y765ed6fek98336e782af43469@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b89f0790805160209y765ed6fek98336e782af43469@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e11fb0e0805160319q5b53259dm3f8b10bae79a76c@mail.gmail.com> That's a good place. I didn't know about the free WiFi. Depending on the date and publicity we might be able to attract people from a college/uni or even school leaver groups. I've been at presentations there so it might be possible to use one of the theatres and connect into the video and sound system to give a running commentary of what someone is trying to achieve with their hack. Andrew 2008/5/16 Robert Inder : > I noticed that the Filmhouse has free WiFi, and > sell food and good beer. > > The enclosed bit off their main bar/restaurant has > eight or ten tables... > > Just a thougth... > > Robert. > > -- > > Robert Inder 0131 229 1052 > / 07808 492 213 > Interactive Information Ltd, 3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH > Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689 > > Interactions speak louder than words > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080516/0941dd98/attachment.html From perl at minty.org Fri May 16 04:36:23 2008 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:36:23 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Hackathon venue In-Reply-To: <1e11fb0e0805160319q5b53259dm3f8b10bae79a76c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b89f0790805160209y765ed6fek98336e782af43469@mail.gmail.com> <1e11fb0e0805160319q5b53259dm3f8b10bae79a76c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080516113623.GC6069@minty.org> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:19:39AM +0100, A Smith wrote: > Depending on the date and publicity we might be able to attract people > from a college/uni or even school leaver groups. I've been at > presentations there so it might be possible to use one of the theatres > and connect into the video and sound system to give a running > commentary of what someone is trying to achieve with their hack. Sounds like a superb venue. We could even go see a film after :) I've never really been to a hackathon before, but my working hypothesis was that they were more about people autonomously hacking on (perhaps very different) stuff in the same geo-spacial environment, with the option to throw ideas and quick questions amongst the group and/or chat about on/off topic bits and drink. More the merrier I say, but I'm inclined to think that we shouldn't be pitching it as a way for people to be taught by others, thus introducing a expectation of information provider/consumer. Unless anyone is nominating themselves to lecture/teach, which I don't think we have yet seen. Plus I personally favour the more informal style in this context. Perhaps I'm reading in more than I should, but it would be a shame if the inaugral event had a bunch of people turning up expecting to listen and learn, and be greeted with no specific mentoring resources. In an utterly un-related manner, I'm quite liking https://zattoo.com/ a p2p tv watching thingy for linux, mac and that other os. I reckon it really wants a "record" button, but as they seem to be at least trying to be legit about it I guess that is unlikely to happen. Anyone know of an open source equivalent that might be less inclined to remove perfectly good features for the sake of inane historic legalese. I'm personally thinking zattoo are on thin legal ice regardless, but I can see why it's unlikely they'll introduce a record/pause button anytime soon. Project Kangaroo is also not what I am after. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/14/bbc_itv_c4_player/ From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 16 06:08:41 2008 From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:08:41 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Hackathon venue In-Reply-To: <7b89f0790805160209y765ed6fek98336e782af43469@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b89f0790805160209y765ed6fek98336e782af43469@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <482D8759.9000300@yahoo.co.uk> Oh yes, I was going to mention this link: http://www.themeltingpotedinburgh.com/ To summarise their blurb: Located in rose St next to Fopp! Meeting & workshop space for 15-100 people - ?150 for an evening, - ?225 half day - ?350 full day Room(s) for up to 12 people, ?30 for 1st 2h, ?7.5 per 0.5h thereafter Out of hours (i.e. weekends) surcharge ?50/evening ?100/day Internet access, PA system and computer projection facilities (extra ?) Catering available Open Mon-Fri 8.30am-6pm (9pm Tues & Thur) Prices include VAT Come with no particular recommendation, since I've never used it, but it's just one other option. Seems a day-long weekend event in the workshop space might cost ?450 plus ?10 per person for "hot desking", plus ?25 for a projector. (Although one "hot desk" and a wifi router might do it.) 8h in a room (12 people max) would cost ?220 plus extras. N From cyocum at gmail.com Fri May 23 05:55:08 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:55:08 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Hackathon venue In-Reply-To: <482D8759.9000300@yahoo.co.uk> References: <7b89f0790805160209y765ed6fek98336e782af43469@mail.gmail.com> <482D8759.9000300@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <82bb54530805230555p301d3001iac10d409b6340920@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, I just had a quick word with my contact here at the UofEd. He is going to check to see who is responsible for organizing such things. So, I should hear something back soon-ish. Chris On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Nick wrote: > Oh yes, I was going to mention this link: > > http://www.themeltingpotedinburgh.com/ > > To summarise their blurb: > Located in rose St next to Fopp! > Meeting & workshop space for 15-100 people > - ?150 for an evening, > - ?225 half day > - ?350 full day > Room(s) for up to 12 people, ?30 for 1st 2h, ?7.5 per 0.5h thereafter > Out of hours (i.e. weekends) surcharge ?50/evening ?100/day > Internet access, PA system and computer projection facilities (extra ?) > Catering available > Open Mon-Fri 8.30am-6pm (9pm Tues & Thur) > Prices include VAT > > Come with no particular recommendation, since I've never used it, but > it's just one other option. > > Seems a day-long weekend event in the workshop space might cost ?450 > plus ?10 per person for "hot desking", plus ?25 for a projector. > (Although one "hot desk" and a wifi router might do it.) 8h in a room > (12 people max) would cost ?220 plus extras. > > N > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From asmith9983 at gmail.com Sun May 25 16:56:30 2008 From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (asmith9983 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:56:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] quotemeta Message-ID: I thought I'd be smart and use quotemeta in a Small piece of code, but the results weren't the same:- my $domain1=quotemeta "192.1.1."; my $domain2= "192\.1\.1\."; $domain1 has backslashes embedded in the string assigned to it. I was then intending to use the variable in the following match m/$domainX(\d{1,3})/; but only $domain2 worked which was obvious Why does quotemeta not produce the same result as an assignment with backslashes in the string ? I realise I could remove the backslashes from $domain2 with :- s/\\//g; but I'd rather understand the root cause. -- Andrew From stephen at jadevine.org.uk Mon May 26 01:17:14 2008 From: stephen at jadevine.org.uk (Stephen Quinney) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:17:14 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] quotemeta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e8734810805260117u38ecfca5q728412c63021780@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:56 AM, wrote: > I thought I'd be smart and use quotemeta in a Small piece of code, but the > results weren't the same:- > > my $domain1=quotemeta "192.1.1."; > my $domain2= "192\.1\.1\."; > The difference between these two statements is because you have used double-quotes for the second so the backslashes get consumed immediately. This shows the problem: $ perl -e '$domain2 = "192\.1\.1\."; print $domain2 . "\n"' 192.1.1. You can either escape them with a second backslash: $ perl -e '$domain2 = "192\\.1\\.1\\."; print $domain2 . "\n"' 192\.1\.1\. or use single-quotes, (or the quote-like operator): perl -e '$domain2 = q{192\.1\.1\.}; print $domain2 . "\n"' 192\.1\.1\. When putting values into a regular expression I often just do the escaping of any metadata characters within the expression. For instance: m/\Q$domain2\E(\d{1,3})/; I hope that helps. Stephen