From alex.brelsfoard at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 11:30:51 2008 From: alex.brelsfoard at gmail.com (Alex Brelsfoard) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:30:51 -0500 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Quick Advice Message-ID: <9629024f0801011130x696322ew77fab5635e569901@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, I have just newly joined this group. My wife and I are planning to move to the Edinburgh or Stirling area (from Boston, MA USA) through an HSMP visa in ~6 months. I currently have a job that allows me to work from home, but I would like to see what other options are out there. Could anyone give me some advice on where to look for other Perl jobs available in the Stirling or Edinburgh areas, or even another telecommuting job based out of somewhere in Europe? I have ~8 years experience programming in Perl. Any advice would be VERY welcome. Thanks in advance. --Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080101/9651abd4/attachment.html From rory.macdonald at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 12:00:57 2008 From: rory.macdonald at gmail.com (Rory Macdonald) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:00:57 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Quick Advice In-Reply-To: <9629024f0801011130x696322ew77fab5635e569901@mail.gmail.com> References: <9629024f0801011130x696322ew77fab5635e569901@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex, My employer was hiring perl engineers recently - we're not looking for more at the moment, but that may change, in which case I'll keep you in mind. I'd suggest joining the Edinburgh Linux Users group as job ads which involve perl sometimes crop up there, but that forum could also be useful in announcing your availability. Various jobs sites may be worth hitting up too, like www.s1jobs.com or www.monster.co.uk. There are agencies of course, none of which I can remember the name of - Google will help you out there. Look forward to seeing you at a social meeting in the summer. Rory From alex.brelsfoard at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 12:19:14 2008 From: alex.brelsfoard at gmail.com (Alex Brelsfoard) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Quick Advice In-Reply-To: References: <9629024f0801011130x696322ew77fab5635e569901@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9629024f0801011219x53d3274eo31f35b220a4ee719@mail.gmail.com> Thanks very much Rory! Please do keep me in mind. I never have much luck with monster. (always get more junk than useful information) But I will try out s1jobs.com That's a good idea about the linux user group, thanks. (Can't wait to be out there!) Thanks again. --Alex On Jan 1, 2008 3:00 PM, Rory Macdonald wrote: > Hi Alex, > > My employer was hiring perl engineers recently - we're not looking for > more at the moment, but that may change, in which case I'll keep you > in mind. I'd suggest joining the Edinburgh Linux Users group as job > ads which involve perl sometimes crop up there, but that forum could > also be useful in announcing your availability. > > Various jobs sites may be worth hitting up too, like www.s1jobs.com or > www.monster.co.uk. There are agencies of course, none of which I can > remember the name of - Google will help you out there. > > Look forward to seeing you at a social meeting in the summer. > > Rory > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080101/27d6acd8/attachment.html From perl at minty.org Tue Jan 1 13:17:58 2008 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:17:58 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Quick Advice In-Reply-To: <9629024f0801011130x696322ew77fab5635e569901@mail.gmail.com> References: <9629024f0801011130x696322ew77fab5635e569901@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080101211758.GW18666@minty.org> On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 02:30:51PM -0500, Alex Brelsfoard wrote: > Could anyone give me some advice on where to look for other Perl jobs available > in the Stirling or Edinburgh areas, or even another telecommuting job based out > of somewhere in Europe? http://jobs.perl.org From anthony at randell.org Thu Jan 3 07:33:44 2008 From: anthony at randell.org (anthony at randell.org) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:33:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Quick Advice Message-ID: <541868704.1607891199374424779.JavaMail.mail@webmail02> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080103/45d4e51a/attachment.html From alex.brelsfoard at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 08:06:50 2008 From: alex.brelsfoard at gmail.com (Alex Brelsfoard) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:06:50 -0500 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Quick Advice In-Reply-To: <541868704.1607891199374424779.JavaMail.mail@webmail02> References: <541868704.1607891199374424779.JavaMail.mail@webmail02> Message-ID: <9629024f0801030806r6c5f166bx1c426451ff7c748c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks! --Alex On Jan 3, 2008 10:33 AM, wrote: > Also try: > > > > http://www.jobstats.co.uk/ - useful meta data for rates / agencies / > skills > > > > http://www.jobserve.co.uk/ - search for all IT jobs under location > 'Edinburgh' and 'Scotland' > > > > Cheers, > > > Anthony > > > > > > On Jan 1, 2008, *alex.brelsfoard at gmail.com* wrote: > > Thanks very much Rory! > Please do keep me in mind. > > I never have much luck with monster. (always get more junk than useful > information) > But I will try out s1jobs.com > > That's a good idea about the linux user group, thanks. > > (Can't wait to be out there!) > > Thanks again. > --Alex > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080103/96ced472/attachment.html From perl at minty.org Mon Jan 7 02:20:31 2008 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:20:31 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] First Foot Forward Message-ID: <20080107102031.GJ23286@minty.org> Anyone up for a drink to usher in the new perl year? Wednesday 9th. Guildford Arms. 7pm ish onwards... From cyocum at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 03:04:31 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:04:31 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] First Foot Forward In-Reply-To: <20080107102031.GJ23286@minty.org> References: <20080107102031.GJ23286@minty.org> Message-ID: <82bb54530801070304h3199799ayb2e8461841da0e9e@mail.gmail.com> Yep. I will be there. Judging from the activity lately, it should be an interesting year. Chris On Jan 7, 2008 10:20 AM, Murray wrote: > Anyone up for a drink to usher in the new perl year? > > Wednesday 9th. Guildford Arms. 7pm ish onwards... > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From anthony at randell.org Mon Jan 7 05:21:53 2008 From: anthony at randell.org (anthony at randell.org) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:21:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] First Foot Forward Message-ID: <1851980106.359031199712113865.JavaMail.mail@webmail04> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080107/254fb9d8/attachment.html From robrwo at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 03:12:17 2008 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:12:17 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] First Foot Forward In-Reply-To: <20080107102031.GJ23286@minty.org> References: <20080107102031.GJ23286@minty.org> Message-ID: <47835A91.8060405@gmail.com> On 07/01/08 10:20 Murray wrote: > Anyone up for a drink to usher in the new perl year? > > Wednesday 9th. Guildford Arms. 7pm ish onwards... I think that I could make it. From asmith9983 at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 23:43:47 2008 From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (asmith9983 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:43:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Next Meeting Wed 9th Jan Message-ID: Hi I calculate the first meeting of 2008 to be due at the Guildford Arms this coming Wednesday. -- Andrew From tsojcanth at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 03:53:18 2008 From: tsojcanth at gmail.com (Paolo Greco) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:53:18 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] First Foot Forward In-Reply-To: <20080107102031.GJ23286@minty.org> References: <20080107102031.GJ23286@minty.org> Message-ID: <6298835b0801080353n7635c1feld6891eaf2e5ebd3d@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 7, 2008 11:20 AM, Murray wrote: > Anyone up for a drink to usher in the new perl year? > > Wednesday 9th. Guildford Arms. 7pm ish onwards... > Meh. I'm in Milan. :( I'll keep free for the february one. --Paolo Greco, "If it's not on fire, it's a software problem." -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080108/cfd28ee0/attachment.html From wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 05:24:49 2008 From: wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com (Wim Vanderbauwhede) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:24:49 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] First Foot Forward In-Reply-To: <6298835b0801080353n7635c1feld6891eaf2e5ebd3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080107102031.GJ23286@minty.org> <6298835b0801080353n7635c1feld6891eaf2e5ebd3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I should make it too Wim On 08/01/2008, Paolo Greco wrote: > > > > On Jan 7, 2008 11:20 AM, Murray wrote: > > > Anyone up for a drink to usher in the new perl year? > > > > Wednesday 9th. Guildford Arms. 7pm ish onwards... > > > > Meh. I'm in Milan. :( > I'll keep free for the february one. > --Paolo Greco, "If it's not on fire, it's a software problem." -- > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -- If it's pointless, what's the point? If there is a point to it, what's the point? (Tibor Fischer, "The Thought Gang") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080108/257db99d/attachment.html From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Tue Jan 8 11:04:49 2008 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:04:49 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] First Foot Forward In-Reply-To: References: <20080107102031.GJ23286@minty.org> <6298835b0801080353n7635c1feld6891eaf2e5ebd3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080108190449.GA30074@aaroncrane.co.uk> Wim Vanderbauwhede writes: > I should make it too And me. -- Aaron Crane From perl at minty.org Thu Jan 10 05:02:40 2008 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:02:40 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Amazon Virtual Servers Message-ID: <20080110130240.GH30139@minty.org> I was talking to Wim about this last night, and thought I'd CC y'all too. My initial interest was in cheap rsync'able offsite backup storage ($25/month for 100GB). Wim I think was more interested in the distributed / grid computing potential. http://aws.amazon.com/ec2 Rentable machines from $0.10/hour. It is per hour that the machine is running, not per CPU hour of work done. So if you start 1 machine, walk away and leave them idling for a day, you will still be billed $2.40. Their prices don't include VAT, which they will add if you use an account with a european billing address. Data on the machine is wiped when you shut the machine down. However, you can transfer data to Amazon S3 (resiliant storage). You pay for the data stored, but not for the bandwidth between EC2 machines and S3. http://aws.amazon.com/s3 I spent about 60p and a couple of hours before Christmas playing with this. It's really quite impressive. I found this to be a good guide to work through: http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/2007-08-29/GettingStartedGuide/ Note that Amazon's default images are all RedHat / Fedora, however there are many "Community" supported AIM (images) that include Ubuntu, SuSE etc. Or you can create your own (either from scratch or by mod'ing an existing image) and use that. It is quite possible you may find an existing public image with the Grid software you need already setup, I don't really know: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/kbcategory.jspa?categoryID=101 What follows is a scheme I worked out that would use the above to provide 100Gb of offline, resilient backup storage which you could run rsync to. ----- A bit of a fiddle to setup initially, and you require fractionally more scripting than a single rsync on the crontab. Amazon EC2: - $0.10 per clock hour that your "virtual host", aka instance, is running. NOT per CPU hour consumed. - You get ~140Gb "free" storage on your instance. Storage only persists so long as the instance is running (@ $0.10/hour). - Bandwidth: $0.10/Gb in, $0.18/Gb out Amazon S3: - $0.15 per GB-Month of storage used - $0.01 per 1000 PUT requests - $0.01 per 10,000 GET requests. - Free bandwidth between S3 and EC2. - Max file size: 5Gb One can create, start/stop, terminate EC2 instances via command line tools, albeit that they require a Java Runtime. Once running, you can ssh to the instance. You ssh as root, password-less, using a key-pair. This is all automatable with about a dozen lines of bash, including getting the domain/ip of your newly created instance. First up, we need a loopback style filesystem, hence forth called LBFS. Ideally, we want a "growable" one, which is only as large as is required for the data it contains - but for now, I'm going to assume a simple/standard LBFS which is 100Gb is size. Create LBFS, then use "split" to chop it into 20 individual 5Gb chunks. Each of these 20 chunks is stored in Amazon S3. Per backup-run: 1. Create an EC2 instance. 2. ssh to said instance, and GET 20 LBFS chunks of 5Gb each from S3 (Free bandwidth, $0.000002 for the 20 GET ops) 3. cat LBFS.5gb.chunks* > LBFS.100gb.file 4. Mount LBFS 5. Run rsync / rdiff-backup etc. ($0.10/$0.18 per Gb transferred in/out) 6. Unmount LBFS 7. split -b 5120m LBFS 8. PUT 20 LBFS.5gb.chunks back to S3 (Free bandwidth, $0.00002 for the PUTs) 9. Terminate the EC2 instance. In addition to bandwidth charges, you have the S3 storage and $0.10 per (wall clock) hour that your EC2 instance is running to complete this task. 1 hour @ 40Kb/sec upload on ADSL =~ 140Mb. Let's assume that is a decent daily average. Conveniently, 140Mb/day == 100Gb every 2 years. Fetching/putting the 100Gb LBFS. Say 5Mb/sec =~ 6 hours each way? This is "internal" bandwidth, free, between Amazon machines. 5Mb/s is the one un-tested part of my theory, but some googling suggests it's not un-reasonable and by parallelising the 20 GETs we may improve on this. Anyway... Running the above: $0.60 : 6 hours fetching 20*5gb LBFS chunks (CPU cost of EC2) $0.70 : 7 hours rsyncing (CPU cost of EC2) $0.40 : Worst case bandwidth (7*140Mb = 1Gb up & 1 Gb down worse case) $0.60 : 6 hours putting loopback-filesystem (CPU cost of EC2) Assume we ran this once per week. ($2.30*4) + $15/month for S3 storing 100Gb ~ $25/month for 100Gb redundant, offsite storage backed up weekly via rsync, plus some additional command line shenanigans that you only have to write once. I estimate < 100 lines of bash. If you left your EC2 instance running 24/7, it would be $75/month, which is more than bytemark, but then you get 140Gb of disk space included and 1.7Gb of RAM. Afaik, your IP address remains static as long as the instance remains running, but they don't make promises about uptime. The equivalent $25 on rsync.net gets you 15Gb, but more frequent backups if you need em. 50Gb instead of 100Gb then it's ~$15/month all-in on Amazon.