From lists2003 at viewport.clara.co.uk Mon Oct 13 18:37:40 2003 From: lists2003 at viewport.clara.co.uk (David Marsh's listreading hat) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Is there anybody out there? Message-ID: <20031014003740.7ee05be2.lists2003@viewport.clara.co.uk> Hi, I'm a fairly novice Perl user and was hoping this might be the right place to seek out information and ask for advice..? Normally I lurk on lists for a while before posting, but there don't seem to have been any messages since I subscribed? David. -- David Marsh, Edinburgh, Scotland, N Europe. | http://web.viewport.co.uk/ , but reply to list preferred, thanks. From fenn at sdf-eu.org Mon Oct 13 19:42:39 2003 From: fenn at sdf-eu.org (Planet Fenn) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Is there anybody out there? In-Reply-To: <20031014003740.7ee05be2.lists2003@viewport.clara.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, David Marsh's listreading hat wrote: > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:37:40 +0100 > From: David Marsh's listreading hat > To: edinburgh-pm-list@pm.org > Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Is there anybody out there? > > > Hi, > > I'm a fairly novice Perl user and was hoping this might be the right > place to seek out information and ask for advice..? > > Normally I lurk on lists for a while before posting, but there don't > seem to have been any messages since I subscribed? > Hello! Yes, there are Perlers out here ... friendly too! If you have a question just post it, high time we all had a bit of discussion. I too am a novice Perl user, so there are at least two novices here. Hey guys, isn't it time for us to check out whether the pubs have changed much since the last meeting? fenn -- Backup not found: A)bort, R)etry, G)naw knuckles? From keith at sadhill.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 14 02:08:26 2003 From: keith at sadhill.freeserve.co.uk (Keith Hennessey Brown) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Is there anybody out there? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <34BC0904-FE15-11D7-A729-000393BE476A@sadhill.freeserve.co.uk> On Tuesday, Oct 14, 2003, at 01:42 Europe/London, Planet Fenn wrote: > Hey guys, isn't it time for us to check out whether the pubs have > changed much since the last meeting? I'd say yes. Especially as the Universities are back and there may be some new Perl users in town wondering if there's anyone else out there. Keith -- www.kinocite.co.uk - film and DVD reviews www.giallo-pages.com - dedicated to giallo films From rory at employees.org Tue Oct 14 03:14:29 2003 From: rory at employees.org (Rory Macdonald) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Is there anybody out there? In-Reply-To: <34BC0904-FE15-11D7-A729-000393BE476A@sadhill.freeserve.co.uk> References: <34BC0904-FE15-11D7-A729-000393BE476A@sadhill.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <1066119267.5417.31441.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 08:08, Keith Hennessey Brown wrote: > On Tuesday, Oct 14, 2003, at 01:42 Europe/London, Planet Fenn wrote: > > > Hey guys, isn't it time for us to check out whether the pubs have > > changed much since the last meeting? > > I'd say yes. Especially as the Universities are back and there may be > some new Perl users in town wondering if there's anyone else out there. Indeed, it's been a while. Still want to meet at Guilford Arms, or does anyone have a new 'venue' to try? Rory -- Rory Macdonald From phi1ipp at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 03:51:37 2003 From: phi1ipp at yahoo.com (Philipp Wesche) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Is there anybody out there? In-Reply-To: <1066119267.5417.31441.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031014085137.20037.qmail@web60305.mail.yahoo.com> Alive and reading. On the other hand, perl is hard enough sober! Regards, Phil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From lists2003 at viewport.clara.co.uk Wed Oct 15 10:51:37 2003 From: lists2003 at viewport.clara.co.uk (David Marsh's listreading hat) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Which Perl module for reading from simple databases? Message-ID: <20031015165137.1af6247d.lists2003@viewport.clara.co.uk> Thanks everyone for confirming that there is indeed life out there.. ;-) Now, here's my question. I'd like to incorporate some data from a simple "database" (in the loosest sense) into a page on my website. The data to be included will be text only (field names, free text, URIs, etc). The data would be used in the context of: either selecting and displaying all data in the database in an ordered fashion, or, selecting and displaying certain records in the database based on form input (ie, field selection) by the user. I was thinking of doing something like creating a CSV (comma-separated-values) file, ie, something that I can easy edit by hand -- or alternatively, something that I can easily create/edit through a webform on localhost if that is supported. I explicitly don't want to go to the hassle of MySQL (although I'm perhaps open to persuasion on that?). Can anybody tell me if there is a Perl module which would do the kind of thing I'm looking for? (I'm sure there is, but there's just so much to search through!) Thanks for any advice, David. -- David Marsh, Edinburgh, Scotland, N Europe. | http://web.viewport.co.uk/ , but reply to list preferred, thanks. From andrew at scoop.co.nz Wed Oct 15 11:30:32 2003 From: andrew at scoop.co.nz (Andrew McNaughton) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Which Perl module for reading from simple databases? In-Reply-To: <20031015165137.1af6247d.lists2003@viewport.clara.co.uk> References: <20031015165137.1af6247d.lists2003@viewport.clara.co.uk> Message-ID: <20031016052633.U60791@a2.scoop.co.nz> Using mysql is not hard, and well worth learning. It might however be awkward on your particular ISPs server if its not already set up. You might want to consider DBD::CSV. Basically it uses plain text files but lets you access them through DBI using a subset of SQL for your queries, which means you can transfer the system to mysql or some other databse later if you want to. Andrew On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, David Marsh's listreading hat wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:51:37 +0100 > From: David Marsh's listreading hat > To: edinburgh-pm-list@pm.org > Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Which Perl module for reading from simple > databases? > > > Thanks everyone for confirming that there is indeed life out there.. ;-) > > Now, here's my question. > > I'd like to incorporate some data from a simple "database" (in the > loosest sense) into a page on my website. The data to be included will > be text only (field names, free text, URIs, etc). > > The data would be used in the context of: either selecting and > displaying all data in the database in an ordered fashion, or, selecting > and displaying certain records in the database based on form input (ie, > field selection) by the user. > > I was thinking of doing something like creating a CSV > (comma-separated-values) file, ie, something that I can easy edit by > hand -- or alternatively, something that I can easily create/edit > through a webform on localhost if that is supported. I explicitly don't > want to go to the hassle of MySQL (although I'm perhaps open to > persuasion on that?). > > Can anybody tell me if there is a Perl module which would do the kind of > thing I'm looking for? (I'm sure there is, but there's just so much to > search through!) > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > David. > > -- No added Sugar. Not tested on animals. May contain traces of Nuts. If irritation occurs, discontinue use. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew McNaughton Currently in Boomer Bay, Tasmania andrew@scoop.co.nz Mobile: +61 422 753 792 http://staff.scoop.co.nz/andrew/cv.doc From richardc at unixbeard.net Wed Oct 15 11:56:58 2003 From: richardc at unixbeard.net (Richard Clamp) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Which Perl module for reading from simple databases? In-Reply-To: <20031015165137.1af6247d.lists2003@viewport.clara.co.uk> References: <20031015165137.1af6247d.lists2003@viewport.clara.co.uk> Message-ID: <20031015165658.GA29260@mirth.demon.co.uk> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 04:51:37PM +0100, David Marsh's listreading hat wrote: > through a webform on localhost if that is supported. I explicitly don't > want to go to the hassle of MySQL (although I'm perhaps open to > persuasion on that?). It might be worth looking at sqlite[0] then, it gives you a real sqlish database without having to maintain a real database server. I use it with Class::DBI for small stuff as it's the simplest thing I could find that Class::DBI supports. [0] http://sqlite.org http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBD-SQLite And for an interactive shell, dbish from the DBI::Shell distributions -- Richard Clamp From richardjolly at mac.com Wed Oct 15 16:42:58 2003 From: richardjolly at mac.com (richardjolly@mac.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Which Perl module for reading from simple databases? In-Reply-To: <20031015165658.GA29260@mirth.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <8AF02CAA-FF58-11D7-BAF0-0003939F734E@mac.com> On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 05:56 pm, Richard Clamp wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 04:51:37PM +0100, David Marsh's listreading > hat wrote: >> through a webform on localhost if that is supported. I explicitly >> don't >> want to go to the hassle of MySQL (although I'm perhaps open to >> persuasion on that?). > > It might be worth looking at sqlite[0] then, it gives you a real > sqlish database without having to maintain a real database server. I second that endorsement. Here's where I first heard about it: http://www.perladvent.org/2002/3rd/ Richard Jolly From dave at zerofive.co.uk Wed Oct 15 17:49:46 2003 From: dave at zerofive.co.uk (David R. Baird) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Is it Time for Perl Certification? In-Reply-To: <8AF02CAA-FF58-11D7-BAF0-0003939F734E@mac.com> References: <20031015165658.GA29260@mirth.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F8DDD1A.4237.243682@localhost> Further to a recent discussion, Tim Maher has written an article in this month's Perl Journal titled "Is it Time for Perl Certification?". He argues convincingly that it is, and suggests that the Perl community itself should set up and run the thing. Unfortunately, you have to pay for a subscription to TPJ to read the article, but Maher has set up a Kwiki at http://perlcert.perlocity.org/ that seems to go into it in some detail (haven't studied it myself yet). There's also a Perl certification mailing list that you can sign up to from that site. d. -- Dr. David R. Baird ZeroFive Web Design dave@zerofive.co.uk http://www.zerofive.co.uk From eric.robertson at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Oct 16 05:48:29 2003 From: eric.robertson at blueyonder.co.uk (Eric Robertson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:01:06 2004 Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Which Perl module for reading from simple databases? References: <20031015165137.1af6247d.lists2003@viewport.clara.co.uk> Message-ID: <005301c393d3$097f0e10$0200a8c0@xps800> David Here's another suggestion. I also use DBD::CSV driver along with DBI to access simple CSV files that my clients have produced but since I can manage quite well with flat databases on the Web and as my clients often are not able to install extra Perl modules on the servers they're using I use the DB_File module that is already installed on modern Perl systems. It links in with the Berkeley DB database system which again is installed nowadays. You can find more information about DB_File at http://search.cpan.org/dist/DB_File/DB_File.pm. HTH Eric. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Marsh's listreading hat" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [edinburgh-pm] Which Perl module for reading from simple databases? > (snip) > I'd like to incorporate some data from a simple "database" (in the > loosest sense) into a page on my website. The data to be included will > be text only (field names, free text, URIs, etc). > > The data would be used in the context of: either selecting and > displaying all data in the database in an ordered fashion, or, selecting > and displaying certain records in the database based on form input (ie, > field selection) by the user. > > I was thinking of doing something like creating a CSV > (comma-separated-values) file, ie, something that I can easy edit by > hand -- or alternatively, something that I can easily create/edit > through a webform on localhost if that is supported. I explicitly don't > want to go to the hassle of MySQL (although I'm perhaps open to > persuasion on that?). > > (snip)