From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Tue Jun 3 16:25:27 2008 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:25:27 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? Message-ID: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> [Tap, Tap, is this thing on? It's still very quiet in here.] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? http://iotc.firstport.ie/blog/archive/full-line-speakers-list-announced-iotc-2008/ They have a 2-for-1 offer on ticket at the moment http://iotc.firstport.ie/blog/archive/wooo-100-free-iotc-2008-tickets/ I'll be speaking about something Perl'ish, naturally. http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/06/03/irish-open-source-technology-conference-june-18th-20th/ Tim. p.s. I'll be in Dublin on the night of the 18th if anyone wants to meetup. From grant at mclean.net.nz Tue Jun 3 16:47:10 2008 From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:47:10 +1200 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> Message-ID: <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 00:25 +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > [Tap, Tap, is this thing on? It's still very quiet in here.] I've been subscribed to this list since before I moved to Dublin in 2000 and have never bothered unsubscribing since I returned to New Zealand a year later. Of all messages to the list in that time, I'd estimate almost half were sent by you :-) Unfortunately I won't be anywhere near Dublin to meet up when you're in town - but if you ever make it to Wellington I can pull together a posse of grateful DBI users :-) Cheers Grant From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Wed Jun 4 03:25:53 2008 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:53 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:47:10AM +1200, Grant McLean wrote: > On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 00:25 +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > > [Tap, Tap, is this thing on? It's still very quiet in here.] > > I've been subscribed to this list since before I moved to Dublin in 2000 > and have never bothered unsubscribing since I returned to New Zealand a > year later. Of all messages to the list in that time, I'd estimate > almost half were sent by you :-) And I live 3 hours away from Dublin. Crazy. What is it with Perl users in Dublin? (London PM is big, active, and has great time.) I'll try promoting dublin-pm during my talk. > Unfortunately I won't be anywhere near Dublin to meet up when you're in > town - but if you ever make it to Wellington I can pull together a posse > of grateful DBI users :-) Thanks Grant! Tim. From drew at drewtaylor.com Wed Jun 4 03:33:10 2008 From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:33:10 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> Message-ID: On 4 Jun 2008, at 11:25, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:47:10AM +1200, Grant McLean wrote: >> On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 00:25 +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: >>> [Tap, Tap, is this thing on? It's still very quiet in here.] >> >> I've been subscribed to this list since before I moved to Dublin in >> 2000 >> and have never bothered unsubscribing since I returned to New >> Zealand a >> year later. Of all messages to the list in that time, I'd estimate >> almost half were sent by you :-) > > And I live 3 hours away from Dublin. Crazy. > > What is it with Perl users in Dublin? > (London PM is big, active, and has great time.) > I'll try promoting dublin-pm during my talk. I may be crazy, but I emailed the group owner this morning about restarting the group, possibly under my unexperienced leadership. :-) As many software shops as (I think) there are in greater Dublin, we should be able to find the core group of perl people. As for London.pm, if you judge solely by the number of postings on jobs.perl.org there seems to be a lot more perl developers in London than Dublin. Perhaps the folks here are just silently keeping the world turning. And Tim, I owe you a pint for your DBI work. I don't think perl would be where it is today if it didn't have such great database connectivity. Drew From nick at netability.ie Wed Jun 4 03:40:52 2008 From: nick at netability.ie (Nick Hilliard) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:40:52 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> Message-ID: <48467134.9040506@netability.ie> > What is it with Perl users in Dublin? > (London PM is big, active, and has great time.) > I'll try promoting dublin-pm during my talk. We irish people are very peculiar. It's not that we don't use perl, because we do. Or that we don't use DBI, because we do, and we love it. And we all love bitching about inferior languages like PHP and about how skanky they are, It's probably more an issue of getting a critical mass of people together. There are a couple of overlapping cliques in Dublin, namely the linux.ie bunch and the SAGE crowd. Might be worth mentioning this talk on their mailing lists? Nick From dave at dave.org.uk Wed Jun 4 04:09:13 2008 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:09:13 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> Message-ID: <20080604120913.m8jnqg9xc0k8s0wg@webmail.mag-sol.com> Quoting Drew Taylor : > I may be crazy, but I emailed the group owner this morning about > restarting the group, possibly under my unexperienced leadership. :-) > As many software shops as (I think) there are in greater Dublin, we > should be able to find the core group of perl people. That would be great. The current leader responded to the recent Perl Mongers Census saying that the group was dead. It might be quiet, but the mailing list gets occasional spurts of activity like this one, so I don't think the group is dead. > As for London.pm, if you judge solely by the number of postings on > jobs.perl.org there seems to be a lot more perl developers in London > than Dublin. That's certainly true. But then a surprisingly small percentage of the people on the london.pm mailing list seem to actually be in London :-) > Perhaps the folks here are just silently keeping the > world turning. I think many smaller groups find something similar. There _are_ Perl programmers around but it's hard to track them down when they aren't connected to the Perl community. As someone has already suggested, talking to a local LUG is often a good start to getting your message out there. The nice people at pm.org are always happy to help in any way they can. Cheers, Dave... From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Wed Jun 4 04:56:36 2008 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:56:36 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: <48467134.9040506@netability.ie> References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> <48467134.9040506@netability.ie> Message-ID: <20080604115636.GA24155@timac.local> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:40:52AM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: >> What is it with Perl users in Dublin? >> (London PM is big, active, and has great time.) >> I'll try promoting dublin-pm during my talk. > > We irish people are very peculiar. It's not that we don't use perl, > because we do. Or that we don't use DBI, because we do, and we love it. > And we all love bitching about inferior languages like PHP and about how > skanky they are, (And they do the same about Perl so the world is kept in balance.) > It's probably more an issue of getting a critical mass of people together. > There are a couple of overlapping cliques in Dublin, namely the linux.ie > bunch and the SAGE crowd. Might be worth mentioning this talk on their > mailing lists? Yes! Please do, let us know how that goes. Tim. From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Wed Jun 4 05:12:09 2008 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:12:09 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> Message-ID: <20080604121209.GB24155@timac.local> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:33:10AM +0100, Drew Taylor wrote: > On 4 Jun 2008, at 11:25, Tim Bunce wrote: >> >> What is it with Perl users in Dublin? >> (London PM is big, active, and has great time.) >> I'll try promoting dublin-pm during my talk. > > I may be crazy, but I emailed the group owner this morning about restarting > the group, possibly under my unexperienced leadership. :-) Yeah, great! Experience is optional and easily acquired, your enthusiasiam is a much more precious commodity. Go for it! > As many software shops as (I think) there are in greater Dublin, we > should be able to find the core group of perl people. I'd expect so. It does require *active* reaching out to contact people and spread the word. Get people talking, bloging, singing (er, maybe not) about it and telling their friends and collegues. > As for London.pm, if you judge solely by the number of postings on > jobs.perl.org there seems to be a lot more perl developers in London than > Dublin. Perhaps the folks here are just silently keeping the world turning. There's a "self fulfilling" element to that. If I were choosing a technology for some development I'd give extra weight to one with an active local community. > And Tim, I owe you a pint for your DBI work. I don't think perl would be > where it is today if it didn't have such great database connectivity. Thanks! Tim. From waider at waider.ie Wed Jun 4 05:29:47 2008 From: waider at waider.ie (Ronan Waide) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:29:47 +0100 (IST) Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: <20080604121209.GB24155@timac.local> References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> <20080604121209.GB24155@timac.local> Message-ID: <37957.87.238.80.64.1212582587.squirrel@www.waider.ie> On Wed, June 4, 2008 13:12, Tim Bunce wrote: >> As many software shops as (I think) there are in greater Dublin, we >> should be able to find the core group of perl people. > > I'd expect so. It does require *active* reaching out to contact people > and spread the word. Get people talking, bloging, singing (er, maybe not) > about it and telling their friends and collegues. > this might help; I think part of the problem at least with this list is that there doesn't really seem to be a point to being a member (I've been on it for a few years, and I keep forgetting about it). What, exactly, does it confer? Generally speaking, if I'm looking for Perl help I'm far more likely to hit up Google (there is some irony, I'm sure, in using a python-driven site to find Perl help) or quiz my coworkers. If I'm looking for new coworkers I'm far more likely to hit up a recruitment site or my personal contacts. And the likes of ILUG and SAGE tend to cover the more sort of 'social' events. Cheers, Waider. -- waider at waider.ie / webmail - evidently I'm not at home. From drew at drewtaylor.com Wed Jun 4 05:33:41 2008 From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:33:41 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: <11B43BC8-3628-4085-921D-0578F38C6857@byrnehq.com> References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> <11B43BC8-3628-4085-921D-0578F38C6857@byrnehq.com> Message-ID: <0A7C2D17-6789-40D4-BC23-F652AD90486A@drewtaylor.com> On 4 Jun 2008, at 13:21, Tony Byrne wrote: >> And Tim, I owe you a pint for your DBI work. I don't think perl would >> be where it is today if it didn't have such great database >> connectivity. > > > Just the one pint, eh? ;-) Well, I wouldn't want him to get pulled by the Garda for drunk driving. Tim, I've got your back! I don't drink so you can have one for me as well. :-) Drew From dubpm at project-bob.org Wed Jun 4 05:55:29 2008 From: dubpm at project-bob.org (Proinnsias Breathnach) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:55:29 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology Conference? In-Reply-To: <20080604115636.GA24155@timac.local> References: <20080603232527.GB23125@timac.local> <1212536830.14624.24.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20080604102553.GE23125@timac.local> <48467134.9040506@netability.ie> <20080604115636.GA24155@timac.local> Message-ID: <20080604125529.GO14103@project-bob.org> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:56:36PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:40:52AM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > > It's probably more an issue of getting a critical mass of people together. > > There are a couple of overlapping cliques in Dublin, namely the linux.ie > > bunch and the SAGE crowd. Might be worth mentioning this talk on their > > mailing lists? > > Yes! Please do, let us know how that goes. > Laura, one ofhte organisers of the talk, is also an ILUG committee member, and has been promoting the converence on #linux (irc.linux.ie). For what ti's worth - I also populate (usually alone) the #dublin-pm channel on irc.linux.ie - feel free to drop in and say hello ! P From patrick.j.rice at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 04:54:14 2008 From: patrick.j.rice at gmail.com (Pat Rice) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:54:14 +0100 Subject: [Dub-pm] Dublin-pm Digest, Vol 17, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <856c29fa0806050454t55b41d6cpdbcfa8187688ba38@mail.gmail.com> I'm on here too :) Pity the conf is in dublin Pat On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:00 PM, wrote: > Send Dublin-pm mailing list submissions to > dublin-pm at pm.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dublin-pm > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dublin-pm-request at pm.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > dublin-pm-owner at pm.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Dublin-pm digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology > Conference? (Drew Taylor) > 2. Re: Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology > Conference? (Proinnsias Breathnach) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:33:41 +0100 > From: Drew Taylor > Subject: Re: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology > Conference? > To: Tony Byrne > Cc: dublin-pm at pm.org > Message-ID: <0A7C2D17-6789-40D4-BC23-F652AD90486A at drewtaylor.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > On 4 Jun 2008, at 13:21, Tony Byrne wrote: > >>> And Tim, I owe you a pint for your DBI work. I don't think perl would >>> be where it is today if it didn't have such great database >>> connectivity. >> >> >> Just the one pint, eh? ;-) > > Well, I wouldn't want him to get pulled by the Garda for drunk > driving. Tim, I've got your back! I don't drink so you can have one > for me as well. :-) > > Drew > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:55:29 +0100 > From: Proinnsias Breathnach > Subject: Re: [Dub-pm] Anyone going to the Irish Open Source Technology > Conference? > To: dublin-pm at pm.org > Message-ID: <20080604125529.GO14103 at project-bob.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:56:36PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:40:52AM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: >> >> > It's probably more an issue of getting a critical mass of people together. >> > There are a couple of overlapping cliques in Dublin, namely the linux.ie >> > bunch and the SAGE crowd. Might be worth mentioning this talk on their >> > mailing lists? >> >> Yes! Please do, let us know how that goes. >> > Laura, one ofhte organisers of the talk, is also an ILUG committee > member, and has been promoting the converence on #linux (irc.linux.ie). > > For what ti's worth - I also populate (usually alone) the #dublin-pm > channel on irc.linux.ie - feel free to drop in and say hello ! > > P > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Dublin-pm mailing list > Dublin-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dublin-pm > > End of Dublin-pm Digest, Vol 17, Issue 2 > **************************************** >