From steve at fysh.org Fri May 17 07:06:00 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: our web site Message-ID: <20020517130600.A1682@flumpet.demon.co.uk> http://devoncornwall.pm.org/ It's a bit naff. I'd like to be able to put some book reviews and things up there. Also some services for us and other viewers. Anyone got any ideas or the time to write a little something? Steve From M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk Fri May 17 07:10:14 2002 From: M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk (Matthew Browning) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: our web site Message-ID: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648CE7@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> | http://devoncornwall.pm.org/ | | It's a bit naff. I'd like to be able to put some book reviews and | things up there. Also some services for us and other viewers. | | Anyone got any ideas or the time to write a little something? | | Steve | What`s this? The *second* PM posting I have ever received? We need publicity! I`m a bit of a dab hand with web development stuff (I reckon) and would be really interested in developing this site a bit as a side project - anyone got any objections? If not, anyone got any ``must have'' ideas? MB From steve at fysh.org Fri May 17 07:22:23 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: our web site In-Reply-To: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648CE7@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk>; from M.Browning@plymouth.ac.uk on Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:10:14PM +0100 References: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648CE7@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020517132223.B1678@flumpet.demon.co.uk> On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:10:14PM +0100, Matthew Browning wrote: > What`s this? The *second* PM posting I have ever received? We need > publicity! Oh yes indeed we do! We also need members. There are about 6 of us. It seems that there are hardly any perl programmers down here at all. > I`m a bit of a dab hand with web development stuff (I reckon) and would > be really interested in developing this site a bit as a side project - > anyone got any objections? If not, anyone got any ``must have'' ideas? It's all yours. I can't give you the password, but I'll be happy to sling up things you tar up and mail me or let me ftp/scp/etc. As far as I'm concerned it must have: Book, website and anything else reviews. Space for users to publish anything really, things like "Steve's Views on OOD using perl". Not that we've got any of that really. :) Steve From steve at fysh.org Fri May 17 07:31:51 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: graphics and other books Message-ID: <20020517133151.A1754@flumpet.demon.co.uk> I'll be interested to see how ... Perl Graphics Programming - O'Reilly (Sept 2002) ... and ... Graphics Programming with Perl - Manning (June 2002) ... compare. I found that O'Reilly (ORA) books are great references, but a bit pants at advanced or subject specific uses. I did, however, really like Data Munging with Perl (Manning). I thought Advanced Perl Programming (ORA) was cack on toast. I liked the Essential Perl chapter in Object Oriented Perl (Manning) but I don't really do OO perl, as a rule. Perl in a Nutshell (ORA) is incomplete and I've not read Programming Perl (ORA) (any edition). perldoc seems pretty cool though :) Anyone else got any book views? Steve From steve at fysh.org Fri May 17 09:07:31 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: just a test Message-ID: <20020517150731.A2141@flumpet.demon.co.uk> hmmm From steve at fysh.org Fri May 17 09:18:58 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: just a test In-Reply-To: <20020517150731.A2141@flumpet.demon.co.uk>; from steve@fysh.org on Fri, May 17, 2002 at 03:07:31PM +0100 References: <20020517150731.A2141@flumpet.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020517151858.B2172@flumpet.demon.co.uk> On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 03:07:31PM +0100, Steve Marvell wrote: > hmmm That appear to have worked fine and dandy. Steve From steve at fysh.org Fri May 17 09:28:31 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: website wantidge Message-ID: <20020517152831.A2218@flumpet.demon.co.uk> Something that dclug lacks is a distribution map. It's hard to know where people are and where people might liek to meet. A map with dots or numbers on might be useful. Steve From steve at fysh.org Fri May 17 09:31:06 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: website links Message-ID: <20020517153106.A2232@flumpet.demon.co.uk> Hello mongers and luggers. devoncornwall.pm is going to have a pleasurable website update and I thought it might be nice if we both cross linked. We don't have a banner or logo at the moment, but we will in time, I'm sure. Just thought I'd mail to put the idea forward. Cheers Steve From M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk Fri May 17 09:33:39 2002 From: M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk (Matthew Browning) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: website wantidge Message-ID: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648CF0@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> | Something that dclug lacks is a distribution map. It's hard to know | where people are and where people might liek to meet. A map with dots | or numbers on might be useful. | | Agreed. Bath.pm have an international distribution map, although that`s not the same thing. I have some licensed software here for work use that can take a postcode and whack it on a map of the region in the form of a flag or a dot or something. Ashamed to admit the vendor. Happy to do that, unless someone else has something better. MB From steve at fysh.org Fri May 17 09:52:37 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: website wantidge In-Reply-To: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648CF0@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk>; from M.Browning@plymouth.ac.uk on Fri, May 17, 2002 at 03:33:39PM +0100 References: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648CF0@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020517155237.B2337@flumpet.demon.co.uk> On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 03:33:39PM +0100, Matthew Browning wrote: > I have some licensed software here for work use that can take a postcode > and whack it on a map of the region in the form of a flag or a dot or > something. Ashamed to admit the vendor. Happy to do that, unless > someone else has something better. There are 6 of use, we could do it with xpaint :) Steve From M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk Fri May 17 09:57:01 2002 From: M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk (Matthew Browning) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:41 2004 Subject: DCPM: website wantidge Message-ID: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648CF1@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> | There are 6 of use, we could do it with xpaint :) | That`s true [sheepish look]. You can stick a dot on Plymouth Hoe for me then. MB From theo at crazygreek.co.uk Fri May 17 10:03:10 2002 From: theo at crazygreek.co.uk (Theo Zourzouvillys) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: website wantidge In-Reply-To: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648CF1@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> References: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648CF1@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200205171603.11542.theo@crazygreek.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 17 May 2002 3:57 pm, Matthew Browning wrote: > That`s true [sheepish look]. You can stick a dot on Plymouth Hoe for me > then. MB And i'm just down off the barbican in plymouth ;) ~ Theo - -- Theo Zourzouvillys http://zozo.org.uk/ Be cheerful while you are alive. -- Phathotep, 24th Century B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE85Ruu448CrwpTn6YRAnDSAJ980DEQaN8PzLq+VmjjF32SpxLrdQCdGXrC rrOH5y5PHTC1ZWpLJrZ6GRk= =0qeV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From theo at crazygreek.co.uk Fri May 17 17:54:09 2002 From: theo at crazygreek.co.uk (Theo Zourzouvillys) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: graphics and other books In-Reply-To: <20020517133151.A1754@flumpet.demon.co.uk> References: <20020517133151.A1754@flumpet.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <200205172354.10373.theo@crazygreek.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 17 May 2002 1:31 pm, Steve Marvell wrote: > Anyone else got any book views? The "perl black book" (colrolisopen press) is pretty good, not *too* basic, yet a nice reference when you can't remember a certian somethinh.. ~ Theo - -- Theo Zourzouvillys http://zozo.org.uk/ Your ignorance cramps my conversation. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE85YoR448CrwpTn6YRAjLHAJ9162wz8kGsGG0TbSNX5isbtEB1PgCgxTJp dCxuDIKgiVfEaLN8E0n25/E= =M3ah -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve at fysh.org Mon May 20 07:35:21 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: graphics and other books In-Reply-To: <200205172354.10373.theo@crazygreek.co.uk>; from theo@crazygreek.co.uk on Fri, May 17, 2002 at 11:54:09PM +0100 References: <20020517133151.A1754@flumpet.demon.co.uk> <200205172354.10373.theo@crazygreek.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020520133521.A14210@flumpet.demon.co.uk> On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 11:54:09PM +0100, Theo Zourzouvillys wrote: > The "perl black book" (colrolisopen press) is pretty good, not *too* basic, > yet a nice reference when you can't remember a certian somethinh.. Do you find yo actually use it or end up using man (or perldoc) for speed? Steve From steve at fysh.org Mon May 20 11:01:43 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: perl bounced Message-ID: <20020520170143.A15391@flumpet.demon.co.uk> This bounced as the email address is not listed as a member. I'd make it open, but you should see the spam we get! ----- Forwarded message from owner-devoncornwall@pm.org ----- On Monday 20 May 2002 1:35 pm, Steve Marvell wrote: > Do you find yo actually use it or end up using man (or perldoc) for speed? the only thing i really use man/perldoc for these days is modules docs... The book is great for finding somethign at speed because it's index is pretty funky - i can find somethign quicker in it than perldoc (though only because i know the book inside out maybe) -- google is my favourite book of all time though ;) ~ Theo From steve at fysh.org Mon May 20 11:14:17 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: perl bounced In-Reply-To: <20020520170143.A15391@flumpet.demon.co.uk>; from steve@fysh.org on Mon, May 20, 2002 at 05:01:43PM +0100 References: <20020520170143.A15391@flumpet.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020520171417.A15442@flumpet.demon.co.uk> On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 05:01:43PM +0100, Steve Marvell wrote: > > Do you find yo actually use it or end up using man (or perldoc) for speed? > the only thing i really use man/perldoc for these days is modules docs... Me too, or perldoc -f for a quick ref to a function. I tend to buy perl books for technique, rather than reference, these days. Perl in a Nutshell is cack, as a rule. I understant Programming Perl 3 has a good explanation of how the regexps are processed, which is a good thing. Some of the changes I've made to other people's regexes has made dramatic improvements. Steve From M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk Tue May 21 02:50:12 2002 From: M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk (Matthew Browning) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: perl bounced Message-ID: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D04@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> | Me too, or perldoc -f for a quick ref to a function. | | I tend to buy perl books for technique, rather than reference, these | days. Perl in a Nutshell is cack, as a rule. I understant Programming | Perl 3 has a good explanation of how the regexps are processed, which | is a good thing. Yeah, that is the case - we have a copy of Camel 3 (since Camel 2 went the same way as all my best CDs). It is not a book for beginners, mind. An associate of mine has made the perfectly valid point that Programming Perl rather assumes you already know how to Program Perl. It is quite readable, however, and contains a good reference at the back. I reckon there is an ORA book called `Mastering Regular Expressions' although I`ve never seen it in the bookshop. To follow the thread, personally I prefer to look stuff up in a book than man or perldoc etc, must be living in the dark ages still. MB From steve at fysh.org Tue May 21 08:33:47 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: perl bounced In-Reply-To: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D04@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk>; from M.Browning@plymouth.ac.uk on Tue, May 21, 2002 at 08:50:12AM +0100 References: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D04@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020521143347.A18967@flumpet.demon.co.uk> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 08:50:12AM +0100, Matthew Browning wrote: > Yeah, that is the case - we have a copy of Camel 3 (since Camel 2 went > the same way as all my best CDs). It is not a book for beginners, mind. > An associate of mine has made the perfectly valid point that Programming > Perl rather assumes you already know how to Program Perl. I understand that that's what the Learning Perl book is for. Camel 1 was certainly for learning, but it's not the csae any more. I think it is a good split. Perl is one of those languages that can be used on _so_ many levels. > It is quite readable, however, and contains a good reference at the > back. I reckon there is an ORA book called `Mastering Regular > Expressions' although I`ve never seen it in the bookshop. I don't have it, having already mastered them :), but I've just asked a mate who has. He said that he gained little other than learning how they are parsed, a thing we've already mentioned is in Camel 3. He also says he uses perldoc perlre for reference :) > To follow the thread, personally I prefer to look stuff up in a book > than man or perldoc etc, must be living in the dark ages still. I love books, but find them annoying when they are badly indexed or incomplete. I tend to use books to learn, rather than reference for perl. I do use the pocket reference sometimes. I remember doing some perl work on a HP machine. HPUX 10 was shipped with perl 4 and no manuals. There was no internat access, so my old perl 4 reference card came in very useful indeed. Steve From theo at crazygreek.co.uk Tue May 21 09:39:54 2002 From: theo at crazygreek.co.uk (Theo Zourzouvillys) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: perl bounced In-Reply-To: <20020521143347.A18967@flumpet.demon.co.uk> References: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D04@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> <20020521143347.A18967@flumpet.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <200205211539.58954.theo@crazygreek.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 21 May 2002 2:33 pm, Steve Marvell wrote: > > It is quite readable, however, and contains a good reference at the > > back. I reckon there is an ORA book called `Mastering Regular > > Expressions' although I`ve never seen it in the bookshop. > > I don't have it, having already mastered them :), but I've just asked > a mate who has. He said that he gained little other than learning how > they are parsed, a thing we've already mentioned is in Camel 3. I've got the "Mastering Regular Expressions" book too, though it can get *really* hardcore in the internals of regexps, it's useful for learning how to use regexps in other languages.. I would take alook at it now, but leant it to a friend, along with "Mastering algorihtms in perl" (ORA) which is a great great book and makes very fun bedtime reading... it's changed the way i think about a lot of complicated problems. ~ Theo - -- Theo Zourzouvillys http://zozo.org.uk/ You plan things that you do not even attempt because of your extreme caution. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE86lw9448CrwpTn6YRAsuoAKDvlJkZwNfaQ6oLiF04I3En08cP+QCfdIG2 lg7WG81WVly3uAaRkMund+0= =4HKW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve at fysh.org Tue May 21 10:00:57 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: perl bounced In-Reply-To: <200205211539.58954.theo@crazygreek.co.uk>; from theo@crazygreek.co.uk on Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:39:54PM +0100 References: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D04@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> <20020521143347.A18967@flumpet.demon.co.uk> <200205211539.58954.theo@crazygreek.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020521160057.A19466@flumpet.demon.co.uk> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:39:54PM +0100, Theo Zourzouvillys wrote: > I would take alook at it now, but leant it to a friend, along with > "Mastering algorihtms in perl" (ORA) which is a great great book and > makes very fun bedtime reading... it's changed the way i think about > a lot of complicated problems. I've been through a lot of algorithms book. Numerical Recipes, Sedwick - Algorithms, Programming Pearls (sic) and nearly bought The Art of Computer Programming. A lot of that sort of stuff was done at Uni. All that grapoh theory and algorithmic complexity. Certainly, a little Science in the back pocket will go a long way to helping solve even simple problems in better ways. I've just looked at the contents for that book and smiled as I saw "linked list". Oh, it's been a while. Just read the sample chapter. Seems very well worded. I might ahve to have one :) Damn, more expense. Steve From theo at crazygreek.co.uk Tue May 21 10:05:59 2002 From: theo at crazygreek.co.uk (Theo Zourzouvillys) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: perl bounced In-Reply-To: <20020521160057.A19466@flumpet.demon.co.uk> References: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D04@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> <200205211539.58954.theo@crazygreek.co.uk> <20020521160057.A19466@flumpet.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <200205211606.01292.theo@crazygreek.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 21 May 2002 4:00 pm, Steve Marvell wrote: > A lot of that sort of stuff was done at Uni. if you've been to uni - you know me :p ~ Theo - -- Theo Zourzouvillys http://zozo.org.uk/ Grief can take care of itself; but to get the full value of a joy you must have somebody to divide it with. -- Mark Twain -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE86mJX448CrwpTn6YRAgQtAJ9wppdmXIogq0hja9G19edFPgSMnACgoEyU DhpdRxKafWkvnMzk3EOrjbA= =i9W1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk Wed May 29 03:15:21 2002 From: M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk (Matthew Browning) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: RE: quest for comments Message-ID: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D69@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> Good morning all. Following on from what we were discussing last week (web site) I did a bit of tinkering yesterday evening and have knocked up a very basic approximation of how I see this looking. It`s not very exciting yet and there is no content but hey: http://www.matthewbrowning.uklinux.net/ I am *not* an artist but I know a guy who is and has promised to dress up the top a bit. If anyone wants to comment or submit improvements now is the time. According to my interpretation, the obligatory use of the camel on the page is compliant with this: http://perl.oreilly.com/usage/faq.html ...but just to make sure I have contacted O`Reilly where a woman called Cindy Wetterlund is preparing to confirm. I`ll make whatever she sends a comment in the source. Current problems I am addressing: 1. Since it is a veritable CSS-fest you can more or less forget about it in Netscape 4.x. I have tried this out in Mozilla and IE and it looks fine. W3C `Strict' standards are complied to but there is obviously some work to do here. Haven`t tried Opera, haven`t even got the KDE one. 2. Unoriginal as it may be, I visualise `latest news' ticking by the middle column which can be added to by a chosen person (Steve). In terms of storage, this might as well just be read from a text file I reckon - anyone? Boom Shiggy Boom MB From steve at fysh.org Wed May 29 05:40:53 2002 From: steve at fysh.org (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: RE: quest for comments In-Reply-To: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D69@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk>; from M.Browning@plymouth.ac.uk on Wed, May 29, 2002 at 09:15:21AM +0100 References: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D69@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020529114053.A17890@flumpet.demon.co.uk> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 09:15:21AM +0100, Matthew Browning wrote: > Good morning all. > > Following on from what we were discussing last week (web site) I did a > bit of tinkering yesterday evening and have knocked up a very basic > approximation of how I see this looking. > > It`s not very exciting yet and there is no content but hey: > > http://www.matthewbrowning.uklinux.net/ > I am *not* an artist but I know a guy who is and has promised to dress > up the top a bit. Pleaure. I think it's looking good. Box borders might be a bit thick, but the rest is pleasure. I suppsoe the site stucture wil emerge when we write some stuff. > 1. Since it is a veritable CSS-fest you can more or less forget about it > in Netscape 4.x. I have tried this out in Mozilla and IE and it looks > fine. W3C `Strict' standards are complied to but there is obviously > some work to do here. Haven`t tried Opera, haven`t even got the KDE > one. I couldn't get it to render properly using any of: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686; en-GB; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 Opera 6.0 Technology Preview 3 Netscape Communicator 4.76 or Lynx Lynx, in fact, complained it was bad html. I still have the trace if you want it. It was to do with select not being in a form? You put on a W3C pleasure icon; did you check it? > 2. Unoriginal as it may be, I visualise `latest news' ticking by the > middle column which can be added to by a chosen person (Steve). In > terms of storage, this might as well just be read from a text file I > reckon - anyone? I reckon I'll just make it a user/password page for anyone who wants to. And yes, a text file will do nicely. Where will this news be sourced from? Steve From M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk Wed May 29 06:14:50 2002 From: M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk (Matthew Browning) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: RE: quest for comments Message-ID: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D72@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> | Pleaure. I think it's looking good. Box borders might be a bit thick, | but the rest is pleasure. | I`ve come to that conclusion about the borders also, I`ll adapt the stylesheet. | I couldn't get it to render properly using any of: | | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686; en-GB; m18) | Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 | Interesting. I am aware that there are problems (first try and all that) but I thought NS6 would probably be all right. I`ll get a copy and have a look. | Lynx, in fact, complained it was bad html. I still have the trace if | you want it. It was to do with select not being in a form? You put on | a W3C pleasure icon; did you check it? | Does the same thing here. The html is spot on - click on the icon for the W3C validator output. I would not claim it was valid had I not checked it (XHTML Strict 1.0). The CSS also passes and the web usability guidelines, as I interpret them, are observed where applicable. I have faced this kind of problem before and I can deal with it - typically I tend to end up with a bunch of nested tables to allow NS4 users access but the markup looks like cack after that :( I might take the whole W3 thing a bit too seriously but I think it is important to set an example by providing valid markup rather than a bunch of optimisations for extensions. | I reckon I'll just make it a user/password page for anyone who wants | to. And yes, a text file will do nicely. Where will this news be | sourced from? | Open to suggestions (hint to anyone who is awake). My original thought was that it wouldn`t show news in the Slashdot sense of the word but news relevant to the site, example: /**********************************************************************\ * * * 29 May 2002 * * * * I have just done a review of something. [Here] is a link to it. * * * * MB * * * \**********************************************************************/ Can we manage user access to an `add news' page just by dropping an .htaccess into the folder specifying the file in question and `require valid user'? MB From M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk Wed May 29 06:29:36 2002 From: M.Browning at plymouth.ac.uk (Matthew Browning) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:28:42 2004 Subject: DCPM: RE: quest for comments Message-ID: <25269D9BCCDF7C43ACF204A09BE0AEB1648D74@02-CSEXCH.uopnet.plymouth.ac.uk> | It was to do with select not being in a form? That`s a funny thing because the validator does not seem to require that a family this is required. I could put a form around all four of the
s. In case you are wondering, I am anticipating navigation from that bit working from a Javascript function associated with an OnChange event for the