From chris at prather.org  Fri Aug  8 09:21:31 2008
From: chris at prather.org (Chris Prather)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Dahut-pm] (no subject)
Message-ID: <B409C3D0-EB8A-469C-91B0-5CBCF0B4968E@prather.org>

Sorry for those of you who get this twice, but I wanted to be sure it  
got out to the people who would care.

The Powers that Be in the Perl Monger Support team suggest that we  
look like a dead group. We havnen't had a post to the mailing list  
since 2007 (well apparently I've posted but I've been alone), and our  
wiki the day they went to look at it was covered in Spam (bad  
spammers!). Their argument is "If you're not a group of people who  
talk about Perl ... why are you a Perl Monger Group?" ... which I  
tried to explain that we *were* a group of people who talk about  
Perl ... just not regularly or often.

I asked if I could put the call out and have people mail him ... he  
surprised me with:

[12:04]  <jhannah> uh... ya, please do. I'm jay at jays.net. Have them  
tell me why Dahut is a Perl Monger group and why it needs a web site  
and mailing list.  :)


So ...

If you think our group is worth keeping ... email Jay, or do  
something public to show that Dahut.pm is still active. I literally  
cannot do this alone

-Chris

From perigrin at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 09:34:35 2008
From: perigrin at gmail.com (Chris Prather)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:34:35 -0400
Subject: [Dahut-pm] Fwd: [pm_admins] Dahut.pm
In-Reply-To: <489C73BD.50909@jays.net>
References: <489C73BD.50909@jays.net>
Message-ID: <12b83b2d0808080934h2c1734e2x123e74bf691092fd@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net>
Date: Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Subject: [pm_admins] Dahut.pm
To: pm_admins at pm.org



http://jays.net/wiki/Dahut.pm


"This wiki page is my collection of factoids as I try to understand what
Dahut is and on what basis it is a Perl Monger group. Feel free to add
information to this wiki which helps us Perl Monger admin types understand.
Thanks. --Jhannah <http://jays.net/wiki/User:Jhannah> 16:27, 8 August 2008
(UTC)"
_______________________________________________
pm_admins mailing list
pm_admins at pm.org
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From perigrin at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 10:04:16 2008
From: perigrin at gmail.com (Chris Prather)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:04:16 -0400
Subject: [Dahut-pm] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <B409C3D0-EB8A-469C-91B0-5CBCF0B4968E@prather.org>
References: <B409C3D0-EB8A-469C-91B0-5CBCF0B4968E@prather.org>
Message-ID: <12b83b2d0808081004t35e3adaav969345124723d678@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Chris Prather <chris at prather.org> wrote:

> Sorry for those of you who get this twice, but I wanted to be sure it got
> out to the people who would care.
>
> The Powers that Be in the Perl Monger Support team suggest that we look
> like a dead group. We havnen't had a post to the mailing list since 2007
> (well apparently I've posted but I've been alone), and our wiki the day they
> went to look at it was covered in Spam (bad spammers!). Their argument is
> "If you're not a group of people who talk about Perl ... why are you a Perl
> Monger Group?" ... which I tried to explain that we *were* a group of people
> who talk about Perl ... just not regularly or often.
>
> I asked if I could put the call out and have people mail him ... he
> surprised me with:
>
> [12:04]  <jhannah> uh... ya, please do. I'm jay at jays.net. Have them tell
> me why Dahut is a Perl Monger group and why it needs a web site and mailing
> list.  :)
>
>
> So ...
>
> If you think our group is worth keeping ... email Jay, or do something
> public to show that Dahut.pm is still active. I literally cannot do this
> alone
>
> -Chris
>

Jay has setup a wiki arguing this fact:

http://jays.net/wiki/Dahut.pm

-Chris
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From matt at sergeant.org  Fri Aug  8 13:21:52 2008
From: matt at sergeant.org (Matt Sergeant)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:21:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Dahut-pm] keeping dahut.pm
In-Reply-To: <B409C3D0-EB8A-469C-91B0-5CBCF0B4968E@prather.org>
References: <B409C3D0-EB8A-469C-91B0-5CBCF0B4968E@prather.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0808082021310.22698@bodger.sergeant.org>

I sent an email.

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Chris Prather wrote:

> Sorry for those of you who get this twice, but I wanted to be sure it got out 
> to the people who would care.
>
> The Powers that Be in the Perl Monger Support team suggest that we look like 
> a dead group. We havnen't had a post to the mailing list since 2007 (well 
> apparently I've posted but I've been alone), and our wiki the day they went 
> to look at it was covered in Spam (bad spammers!). Their argument is "If 
> you're not a group of people who talk about Perl ... why are you a Perl 
> Monger Group?" ... which I tried to explain that we *were* a group of people 
> who talk about Perl ... just not regularly or often.
>
> I asked if I could put the call out and have people mail him ... he surprised 
> me with:
>
> [12:04]  <jhannah> uh... ya, please do. I'm jay at jays.net. Have them tell me 
> why Dahut is a Perl Monger group and why it needs a web site and mailing 
> list.  :)
>
>
> So ...
>
> If you think our group is worth keeping ... email Jay, or do something public 
> to show that Dahut.pm is still active. I literally cannot do this alone
>
> -Chris
>

From mike at nachbaur.com  Sat Aug  9 12:41:23 2008
From: mike at nachbaur.com (Michael Nachbaur)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:41:23 -0700
Subject: [Dahut-pm] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <12b83b2d0808081004t35e3adaav969345124723d678@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B409C3D0-EB8A-469C-91B0-5CBCF0B4968E@prather.org>
	<12b83b2d0808081004t35e3adaav969345124723d678@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B653165-1CEA-4E9E-8621-B285EDB05EEE@nachbaur.com>

I chatted with him on IRC and said we're mostly an IRC group, which  
explains the lack of mail and wiki activity.  So we'll see.

On 8-Aug-08, at 10:04 AM, Chris Prather wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Chris Prather <chris at prather.org>  
> wrote:
> Sorry for those of you who get this twice, but I wanted to be sure  
> it got out to the people who would care.
>
> The Powers that Be in the Perl Monger Support team suggest that we  
> look like a dead group. We havnen't had a post to the mailing list  
> since 2007 (well apparently I've posted but I've been alone), and  
> our wiki the day they went to look at it was covered in Spam (bad  
> spammers!). Their argument is "If you're not a group of people who  
> talk about Perl ... why are you a Perl Monger Group?" ... which I  
> tried to explain that we *were* a group of people who talk about  
> Perl ... just not regularly or often.
>
> I asked if I could put the call out and have people mail him ... he  
> surprised me with:
>
> [12:04]  <jhannah> uh... ya, please do. I'm jay at jays.net. Have them  
> tell me why Dahut is a Perl Monger group and why it needs a web site  
> and mailing list.  :)
>
>
> So ...
>
> If you think our group is worth keeping ... email Jay, or do  
> something public to show that Dahut.pm is still active. I literally  
> cannot do this alone
>
> -Chris
>
> Jay has setup a wiki arguing this fact:
>
> http://jays.net/wiki/Dahut.pm
>
> -Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Dahut-pm mailing list
> Dahut-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dahut-pm

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From khampton at totalcinema.com  Mon Aug 11 13:04:52 2008
From: khampton at totalcinema.com (Kip Hampton)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:04:52 -0700
Subject: [Dahut-pm] Regarding Dahut.pm
Message-ID: <48A09B64.6040303@totalcinema.com>

Hi Jay.

I heard over the weekend that there was a plan afoot to shut down the 
Dahut.pm Perl Mongers group. I'm writing in opposition to that plan to 
pull the plug.

Its true that, unlike, say, Boston.pm or Paris.pm, the Dahut group is 
"virtual". Members are scattered all over the globe and, as a practical 
matter, we don't do some of the things that "regular" .pms do (no 
monthly technical or social meetings, no local community outreach to 
other technical or service organizations, etc.). Despite our scattershot 
geographical distribution, however, the Dahuts fit every other criterion 
  of an active and activist Perl community: we coordinate on maintaining 
and developing modules for CPAN, we work together on both the topics and 
content of the books, presentations, and other educational materials 
that we present to the community at large, and, perhaps most 
importantly, we're always the funnest table at the bar during YAPC and 
OSCON conferences.

It is also true that our membership is small and that our .pm mailing 
list and wiki have fallen into disuse. Mostly, we're victims of our own 
success. While most members chat with one another daily on IRC, the 
reality is that the each member of the original Dahut core has gone on 
to distinguish themselves both as Perl hackers and in the broader 
technical world and we simply don't have the time to kick things around 
that we used to. These days, we're more likely to pair off on specific 
projects (or get one another hired in as an issue expert) than we are to 
go after more generic projects as group.

I ask you to please reconsider your decision to pull the plug on 
Dahut.pm. We may be a pack of irreverent absurdists but the Dahuts are 
no joke. As for the mailing list and wiki, I'm willing to personally 
commit time to make sure that the yard stays mowed and the papers don't 
pile up on the front steps.

Thanks for your consideration,
Kip Hampton, Dahut.pm member in good standing.

ps: I should note that, as a group, the Dahuts are not above naked 
bribery and/or extortion. This means that, should your decision go our 
way, you can expect to drink for free at least one night at the next 
conf you attend with a significant Dahut contingent and that you can 
trust our entire membership to state publicly that any rumors relating 
to your special fondness for woodchucks are categorically not true and 
anyway it was just that once and you said you were sorry.


From geoff at modperlcookbook.org  Mon Aug 11 15:40:48 2008
From: geoff at modperlcookbook.org (Geoffrey Young)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:40:48 -0400
Subject: [Dahut-pm] Regarding Dahut.pm
In-Reply-To: <48A09B64.6040303@totalcinema.com>
References: <48A09B64.6040303@totalcinema.com>
Message-ID: <48A0BFF0.3050301@modperlcookbook.org>


> I ask you to please reconsider your decision to pull the plug on 
> Dahut.pm. We may be a pack of irreverent absurdists but the Dahuts are 
> no joke.

+1

--Geoff

From danny.ayers at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 18:47:40 2008
From: danny.ayers at gmail.com (Danny Ayers)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:47:40 +0200
Subject: [Dahut-pm] Regarding Dahut.pm
In-Reply-To: <48A0BFF0.3050301@modperlcookbook.org>
References: <48A09B64.6040303@totalcinema.com>
	<48A0BFF0.3050301@modperlcookbook.org>
Message-ID: <1f2ed5cd0808111847m77d58b57x21e4fd9770f77733@mail.gmail.com>

I think my dogs chased a real live dahut the other day. Round, around, around.

Bugger Perl...some other language yet to be named is more fun

2008/8/12 Geoffrey Young <geoff at modperlcookbook.org>:
>
>> I ask you to please reconsider your decision to pull the plug on Dahut.pm.
>> We may be a pack of irreverent absurdists but the Dahuts are no joke.
>
> +1
>
> --Geoff
> _______________________________________________
> Dahut-pm mailing list
> Dahut-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dahut-pm
>



-- 
http://dannyayers.com
~
http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/this_weeks_semantic_web/

From perigrin at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 21:45:01 2008
From: perigrin at gmail.com (Chris Prather)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:45:01 -0400
Subject: [Dahut-pm] Regarding Dahut.pm
In-Reply-To: <1f2ed5cd0808111847m77d58b57x21e4fd9770f77733@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48A09B64.6040303@totalcinema.com>
	<48A0BFF0.3050301@modperlcookbook.org>
	<1f2ed5cd0808111847m77d58b57x21e4fd9770f77733@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12b83b2d0808112145l513245e8n94e0b371256b48d0@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think my dogs chased a real live dahut the other day. Round, around,
> around.
>
> Bugger Perl...some other language yet to be named is more fun
>

N3 Right? ::grin::
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From robin at berjon.com  Tue Aug 12 02:49:25 2008
From: robin at berjon.com (Robin Berjon)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:49:25 +0200
Subject: [Dahut-pm]  De Circula Rerum, and other musings about existence
In-Reply-To: <B409C3D0-EB8A-469C-91B0-5CBCF0B4968E@prather.org>
References: <B409C3D0-EB8A-469C-91B0-5CBCF0B4968E@prather.org>
Message-ID: <5651E636-2AC5-41A0-9F13-3FD97310A1CD@berjon.com>

On Aug 8, 2008, at 18:21 , Chris Prather wrote:
> The Powers that Be in the Perl Monger Support team suggest that we  
> look like a dead group. We havnen't had a post to the mailing list  
> since 2007 (well apparently I've posted but I've been alone), and  
> our wiki the day they went to look at it was covered in Spam (bad  
> spammers!). Their argument is "If you're not a group of people who  
> talk about Perl ... why are you a Perl Monger Group?"

Now, now, that's just horse bollocks on a lollipop stick*.

We might not use email or the wiki much (though we do, to some  
extent), but that's mostly because email is so 1972 and wikis were  
always an evil idea anyway. As others have mentioned, we communicate a  
lot through IRC, but also through the many structures we have secretly  
claimed as our own, such as london.pm, paris.pm, and several others,  
the eGov IG, and a fair share of the world's shadier dives.

Our existence is made obvious by three Acme distros (Acme::Dahut,  
Acme::Dahut::Call, and Acme::Lingua::NIGERIAN). We have a CPAN ID  
which can be used for collective releases, DAHUT (granted it hasn't  
been used much recently as Perl XML development has cooled off as lot  
since stuff pretty much works). Also, we are decreed normatively to  
exist by multiple W3C specifications: http://www.w3.org/TR/rex/, http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/text.html 
, http://www.w3.org/TR/powder-use-cases/; which is another way of  
saying that removing us breaks the Web. Our fearless leader Bender  
runs a lot of irc.perl.org channels.

All this to say that you may have travelled a path of blindness all  
these years, but we have been around since before time was time, the  
just-out-of-earshot whisper deep in the circular fabric of reality. On  
top of that we buy beer, we're sexy, and we're funny. Besides beer, we  
also have special powers. Kjetil for instance is a world record holder  
in firewalking. Kip has the ability to make the mix of two alcohol  
parts greater than their sum. I also make a mean cheesecake. There are  
many others but if we wanted everyone to know we'd have put it on the  
wiki in the first place.

Anyway, we're a group. In fact, we're probably the coolest group. Join  
us, and together we can rule the galaxy as donkeys do.



* I mention this also because horse bollocks on a lollipop stick is a  
lot what an alpine delicacy known as "amourettes de dahut" looks like.

-- 
Robin Berjon - http://berjon.com/




From jwalt at cpan.org  Tue Aug 12 03:36:42 2008
From: jwalt at cpan.org (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=F6rg_Walter?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:36:42 +0200
Subject: [Dahut-pm] keeping dahut.pm
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0808082021310.22698@bodger.sergeant.org>
References: <B409C3D0-EB8A-469C-91B0-5CBCF0B4968E@prather.org>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0808082021310.22698@bodger.sergeant.org>
Message-ID: <200808121236.42412.jwalt@cpan.org>

On Friday, 08. August 2008, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> I sent an email.
>

me too.

-- 
J?rg Walter

From jay at jays.net  Tue Aug 12 04:27:44 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:27:44 -0500
Subject: [Dahut-pm] Dahut.pm.org restored
Message-ID: <600609E5-DE09-4811-85E5-73864416B376@jays.net>

Howdy --

Y'all can stop emailing me now.  :)

Perigrin cleaned up the spam on your website and all services (and  
more) were restored 30 hours ago.

Thanks. Enjoy your Dahut'ing.  :)

j



From matt at sergeant.org  Tue Aug 12 05:32:19 2008
From: matt at sergeant.org (Matt Sergeant)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Dahut-pm] Dahut.pm.org restored
In-Reply-To: <600609E5-DE09-4811-85E5-73864416B376@jays.net>
References: <600609E5-DE09-4811-85E5-73864416B376@jays.net>
Message-ID: <20080812083219951265.6d5efd9d@sergeant.org>

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:27:44 -0500, Jay Hannah wrote:
> Howdy --
> 
> Y'all can stop emailing me now.  :)
> 
> Perigrin cleaned up the spam on your website and all services (and 
> more) were restored 30 hours ago.
> 
> Thanks. Enjoy your Dahut'ing.  :)

Woohoo! Beers on me! And by "on me" I mean "in my mouth".

From mike at nachbaur.com  Tue Aug 12 13:03:29 2008
From: mike at nachbaur.com (Michael Nachbaur)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:03:29 -0700
Subject: [Dahut-pm] Dahut.pm.org restored
In-Reply-To: <20080812083219951265.6d5efd9d@sergeant.org>
References: <600609E5-DE09-4811-85E5-73864416B376@jays.net>
	<20080812083219951265.6d5efd9d@sergeant.org>
Message-ID: <1020E935-EFBD-4F4A-B5C6-C650B8540C03@nachbaur.com>

On 12-Aug-08, at 5:32 AM, Matt Sergeant wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:27:44 -0500, Jay Hannah wrote:
>> Howdy --
>>
>> Y'all can stop emailing me now.  :)
>>
>> Perigrin cleaned up the spam on your website and all services (and
>> more) were restored 30 hours ago.
>>
>> Thanks. Enjoy your Dahut'ing.  :)
>
> Woohoo! Beers on me! And by "on me" I mean "in my mouth".

Beers on you?  I'm going to be visiting Toronto in the next little  
while (family, etc).  Any chance I could take you up on that beer?   
I'll be in Woodbridge, so I'm not sure how close that is to you, or  
how often you're out in that area.

And see?  We are on occasion geo-oriented perl geeks.

From matt at sergeant.org  Tue Aug 12 15:29:14 2008
From: matt at sergeant.org (Matt Sergeant)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Dahut-pm] Dahut.pm.org restored
In-Reply-To: <1020E935-EFBD-4F4A-B5C6-C650B8540C03@nachbaur.com>
References: <600609E5-DE09-4811-85E5-73864416B376@jays.net>
	<20080812083219951265.6d5efd9d@sergeant.org>
	<1020E935-EFBD-4F4A-B5C6-C650B8540C03@nachbaur.com>
Message-ID: <20080812182914676683.07a302db@sergeant.org>

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:03:29 -0700, Michael Nachbaur wrote:
> On 12-Aug-08, at 5:32 AM, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:27:44 -0500, Jay Hannah wrote:
>>> Howdy --
>>> 
>>> Y'all can stop emailing me now.  :)
>>> 
>>> Perigrin cleaned up the spam on your website and all services (and
>>> more) were restored 30 hours ago.
>>> 
>>> Thanks. Enjoy your Dahut'ing.  :)
>> 
>> Woohoo! Beers on me! And by "on me" I mean "in my mouth".
> 
> Beers on you?  I'm going to be visiting Toronto in the next little 
> while (family, etc).  Any chance I could take you up on that beer?  
> I'll be in Woodbridge, so I'm not sure how close that is to you, or 
> how often you're out in that area.

Umm, never in Woodbridge. Apparently it's 30 mins by car (presumably 
that's without any traffic).

Matt.