[Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module

Tue Nov 17 07:11:13 PST 2009

No, unless you really want to :-)

I was thinking we'd just run it like the last meeting. Meet, talk
about random stuff that's on our mind that might be Perl related,
until we tire of each other or they kick us out.

BTW, I've been talking to the author of Date::Manip, trying to run
some tests for him on Vista/Windows 7. His version 6.0 module, which
he's been working on for 5 years, is almost ready for release. I could
talk about what's new with that. (and what's old with it if you aren't
familiar). (in December or January)

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since we don't have a projector, am I giving a talk?
>
> Rob
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:23, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> The date would be 11/19, this Thursday.
>>
>> The time? 6:30ish PM?
>>
>> what about DBIx::Tie ? You get the name recognition of DBIx and Tie.
>>
>> 2009/11/17 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>>> Actually, I haven't decided on a name for the version I'm going to release.
>>>
>>> I'm considering: Tie::SQL or DBIx::Deep or something like that.
>>>
>>> Right now the current modules are tied into my own webapp framework and need
>>> some changes to be made to work independently and thus viable for CPAN.
>>>
>>> However, the underlying concept is sturdy and it is something I think a lot
>>> of people would benefit from, so my goal is to push toward a release within
>>> a month.
>>>
>>> Also, though this module is the thing that other people would find useful
>>> immediately. I've been working on some other things that are also very cool
>>> and contain ideas that other Perl programmers might want to learn about.
>>>
>>> My hope is that I can show some people in Columbus.pm what I've been up to
>>> (beyond the "tie" module), see if they like it, and then head toward a
>>> release of the whole thing in time for YAPC 2010.
>>>
>>> On that note, let me put my vote in for the Winking Lizard (on Bethel). What
>>> date/time would that meeting be?
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Reginald Tapo <reginald.tapo at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> This module sounds very intresting, what will you
>>>> call it Tie:: something?
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to see it available through PPM.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Michael Frager
>>>> To: columbus-pm
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:40 PM
>>>> Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> The big difference between my module and DBM::Deep is that my module uses
>>>> a SQL database (like MySQL) instead of flat files. DBM::Deep has implemented
>>>> its own locking and concurrency system that is not likely to be a robust as
>>>> a real SQL database.
>>>>
>>>> Other than that the concepts are very similar. Basically, you do what you
>>>> want to your data structures and the results are transparently and
>>>> persistently stored for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play
>>>>> together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>>>>> > Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're
>>>>> > not
>>>>> > familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
>>>>> > contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash
>>>>> > tied
>>>>> > to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
>>>>> > within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module
>>>>> > that
>>>>> > will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each
>>>>> > element of
>>>>> > the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or
>>>>> > its
>>>>> > entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive
>>>>> > so
>>>>> > entire structures can be stored this way.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of
>>>>> > any
>>>>> > combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL
>>>>> > database. It
>>>>> > works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a
>>>>> > custom
>>>>> > SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
>>>>> > stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes
>>>>> > will be
>>>>> > transparently stored in the SQL database.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering
>>>>> > if
>>>>> > there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in
>>>>> > learning
>>>>> > about it?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>>>> >
>>>>> > [+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
>>>>> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Rob Kinyon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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> Rob Kinyon
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