From jon at hogue.org  Wed Nov 11 12:54:37 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:54:37 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com>
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Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)

Anyone else want to talk in November?

What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?

Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).

Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
12/17
1/21
2/18
3/18
4/15 (tax day?)
5/20
6/17
7/15
8/19
9/16
10/21
11/18

This work?


On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:39, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> I am really interested in getting these going again, on a recurring basis.
>>
>> Anyone else interested?
>>
>> Things to get arranged:
>>
>> Location:
>> Looking into DSW, but no wifi. Anyone have a better location?
>> Requirements, somewhat central location, wifi, big room with
>> projector/etc, free parking.
>>
>> Wifi:
>> Anyone have access to one of those cellular access point devices? That
>> might work for a location that has everything except for wifi.
>>
>> Dinner:
>> Some of the other successful groups in town provide pizza every
>> meeting, and those groups get like 30-60 people, and their leaders
>> have indicated they get much better attendance when they offer free
>> pizza. Maybe, we can look into a sponsor. Anyone know someone who
>> would want to sponsor pizza once per month.
>>
>> Content:
>> We need some compelling content. Who is willing to speak?
>> Here are some topics of interest. It would be great to line up 4-5
>> meetings worth of content.
>> ?Perl 6 - with examples
>> ?Catalyst
>> ?Moose
>> ?What else?
>>
>> Besides lecture style presentations, what else are we interested in?
>> Lightning talks (5 minutes) about a broad range of topics?
>
> I'm interested. I have a vzn broadband, but no access point thingy. I
> can talk on DBIC development (on the dbic-devel team). I can also talk
> on RDBMS issues (or pretty much anything else, for that matter).
>
> We also have YAPC::2010 to plan for.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rob Kinyon
> _______________________________________________
> Columbus-pm mailing list
> http://columbus.pm.org/
> Columbus-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm

From jon at hogue.org  Wed Nov 11 12:56:55 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:56:55 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: Opportunity
In-Reply-To: <66C349CAA42D054AB1F2AA71B1A4FE55030AD027@AG00-EXMBX01.allegisgroup.com>
References: <66C349CAA42D054AB1F2AA71B1A4FE55030AD027@AG00-EXMBX01.allegisgroup.com>
Message-ID: <f7a7c49c0911111256x61411626s302d1a8e49376eab@mail.gmail.com>

You guys okay with people posting local openings? Here's one from
TekSystems in Dayton. They have 3 positions open.

Also, Tek of Columbus has agreed to do some sponsorship of our pizza
(a couple of weeks ago, not tit-for-tat for posting this listing.)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kanoza, Nick <nkanoza at teksystems.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Subject: Opportunity
To: jon at hogue.org


Jon,



Thanks for your time today.? Again, our client O'Neil and Associates
is looking for a Perl Developer to join their team on a 6 month
contract-to-hire basis.? Here?s a little more information about this
position:



We are looking for a senior level Perl Application Engineer to hit the
ground running and assist with the development of object oriented,
n-tier web applications. We would prefer a bachelor?s degree in
Computer Science, and 2-3 years of practical experience building web
applications using Perl, SQL, XSLT, XML, and versioning systems (CVS,
Subversion). The ideal candidate should be well versed in OO
methodologies and familiar with the full software development life
cycle (analysis, design, coding, testing, debugging, and
documentation).



The ideal candidate will be expected to design and write reliable,
maintainable code, while being able to adapt quickly to new
technologies and changing business requirements. Individual should
also be able to quickly troubleshoot problems that may arise in the
code base.



The candidate will work closely with the Lead Application Engineer,
and under the direction of the Development Manager.



Let me know what you think, and please let me know if you have any
questions.? Thanks!







NICK KANOZA?Technical Recruiter
8044 Montgomery Road Suite 455

Cincinnati, OH?45236
T 513.719.3960? M 513.490.2374
F 513.719.3990? 877.857.1159



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From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:12:57 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:12:57 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: Opportunity
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911111256x61411626s302d1a8e49376eab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66C349CAA42D054AB1F2AA71B1A4FE55030AD027@AG00-EXMBX01.allegisgroup.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911111256x61411626s302d1a8e49376eab@mail.gmail.com>
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Local postings are always good.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 15:56, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> You guys okay with people posting local openings? Here's one from
> TekSystems in Dayton. They have 3 positions open.
>
> Also, Tek of Columbus has agreed to do some sponsorship of our pizza
> (a couple of weeks ago, not tit-for-tat for posting this listing.)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Kanoza, Nick <nkanoza at teksystems.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:47 PM
> Subject: Opportunity
> To: jon at hogue.org
>
>
> Jon,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your time today.? Again, our client O'Neil and Associates
> is looking for a Perl Developer to join their team on a 6 month
> contract-to-hire basis.? Here?s a little more information about this
> position:
>
>
>
> We are looking for a senior level Perl Application Engineer to hit the
> ground running and assist with the development of object oriented,
> n-tier web applications. We would prefer a bachelor?s degree in
> Computer Science, and 2-3 years of practical experience building web
> applications using Perl, SQL, XSLT, XML, and versioning systems (CVS,
> Subversion). The ideal candidate should be well versed in OO
> methodologies and familiar with the full software development life
> cycle (analysis, design, coding, testing, debugging, and
> documentation).
>
>
>
> The ideal candidate will be expected to design and write reliable,
> maintainable code, while being able to adapt quickly to new
> technologies and changing business requirements. Individual should
> also be able to quickly troubleshoot problems that may arise in the
> code base.
>
>
>
> The candidate will work closely with the Lead Application Engineer,
> and under the direction of the Development Manager.
>
>
>
> Let me know what you think, and please let me know if you have any
> questions.? Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> NICK KANOZA?Technical Recruiter
> 8044 Montgomery Road Suite 455
>
> Cincinnati, OH?45236
> T 513.719.3960? M 513.490.2374
> F 513.719.3990? 877.857.1159
>
>
>
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-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com  Wed Nov 11 13:23:46 2009
From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:23:46 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>
> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>
> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>
> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>
> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
> 12/17
> 1/21
> 2/18
> 3/18
> 4/15 (tax day?)
> 5/20
> 6/17
> 7/15
> 8/19
> 9/16
> 10/21
> 11/18
>
> This work?


I'll ask my CTO.




-- 
lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
614-404-4214

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:36:28 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:36:28 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 16:23, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)

What do you want me to talk about? I just took over maintenance of
DBIx::Class::Fixtures and I've been doing design work on SQLA2. Or, I
could just talk about the last year in DBIC. :)

Rob

From metaperl at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 15:57:53 2009
From: metaperl at gmail.com (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:57:53 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: Opportunity
In-Reply-To: <70384420911111312w376d8fa0ua46fb61e7f7a7cc5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66C349CAA42D054AB1F2AA71B1A4FE55030AD027@AG00-EXMBX01.allegisgroup.com>	<f7a7c49c0911111256x61411626s302d1a8e49376eab@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420911111312w376d8fa0ua46fb61e7f7a7cc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AFCA101.608@gmail.com>

I third that - local postings 0wn!

Also, about the talks, I've been wanting to give a talk entitled 
"Constructive Use of Destructors" for quite awhile.

We could get space at a library for free if we planned ahead. I plan to 
do my slides in XUL, so we just need to project from a laptop or something.

I'm available any day after work but Monday or Friday.

Rob Kinyon wrote:
> Local postings are always good.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 15:56, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>   
>> You guys okay with people posting local openings? Here's one from
>> TekSystems in Dayton. They have 3 positions open.
>>
>> Also, Tek of Columbus has agreed to do some sponsorship of our pizza
>> (a couple of weeks ago, not tit-for-tat for posting this listing.)
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Kanoza, Nick <nkanoza at teksystems.com>
>> Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:47 PM
>> Subject: Opportunity
>> To: jon at hogue.org
>>
>>
>> Jon,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your time today.  Again, our client O'Neil and Associates
>> is looking for a Perl Developer to join their team on a 6 month
>> contract-to-hire basis.  Here?s a little more information about this
>> position:
>>
>>
>>
>> We are looking for a senior level Perl Application Engineer to hit the
>> ground running and assist with the development of object oriented,
>> n-tier web applications. We would prefer a bachelor?s degree in
>> Computer Science, and 2-3 years of practical experience building web
>> applications using Perl, SQL, XSLT, XML, and versioning systems (CVS,
>> Subversion). The ideal candidate should be well versed in OO
>> methodologies and familiar with the full software development life
>> cycle (analysis, design, coding, testing, debugging, and
>> documentation).
>>
>>
>>
>> The ideal candidate will be expected to design and write reliable,
>> maintainable code, while being able to adapt quickly to new
>> technologies and changing business requirements. Individual should
>> also be able to quickly troubleshoot problems that may arise in the
>> code base.
>>
>>
>>
>> The candidate will work closely with the Lead Application Engineer,
>> and under the direction of the Development Manager.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me know what you think, and please let me know if you have any
>> questions.  Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> NICK KANOZA Technical Recruiter
>> 8044 Montgomery Road Suite 455
>>
>> Cincinnati, OH 45236
>> T 513.719.3960  M 513.490.2374
>> F 513.719.3990  877.857.1159
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain
>> information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise
>> protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended
>> recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its
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>> intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received
>> this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so
>> that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the
>> original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank
>> you.
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From metaperl at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 16:43:08 2009
From: metaperl at gmail.com (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:43:08 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
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References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AFCAB9C.8050702@gmail.com>

11/26 is better. 7 days is a bit too soon.

Jonathan Hogue wrote:
> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>
> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>
> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>
> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>
> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
> 12/17
> 1/21
> 2/18
> 3/18
> 4/15 (tax day?)
> 5/20
> 6/17
> 7/15
> 8/19
> 9/16
> 10/21
> 11/18
>
> This work?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:39, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>     
>>> I am really interested in getting these going again, on a recurring basis.
>>>
>>> Anyone else interested?
>>>
>>> Things to get arranged:
>>>
>>> Location:
>>> Looking into DSW, but no wifi. Anyone have a better location?
>>> Requirements, somewhat central location, wifi, big room with
>>> projector/etc, free parking.
>>>
>>> Wifi:
>>> Anyone have access to one of those cellular access point devices? That
>>> might work for a location that has everything except for wifi.
>>>
>>> Dinner:
>>> Some of the other successful groups in town provide pizza every
>>> meeting, and those groups get like 30-60 people, and their leaders
>>> have indicated they get much better attendance when they offer free
>>> pizza. Maybe, we can look into a sponsor. Anyone know someone who
>>> would want to sponsor pizza once per month.
>>>
>>> Content:
>>> We need some compelling content. Who is willing to speak?
>>> Here are some topics of interest. It would be great to line up 4-5
>>> meetings worth of content.
>>>  Perl 6 - with examples
>>>  Catalyst
>>>  Moose
>>>  What else?
>>>
>>> Besides lecture style presentations, what else are we interested in?
>>> Lightning talks (5 minutes) about a broad range of topics?
>>>       
>> I'm interested. I have a vzn broadband, but no access point thingy. I
>> can talk on DBIC development (on the dbic-devel team). I can also talk
>> on RDBMS issues (or pretty much anything else, for that matter).
>>
>> We also have YAPC::2010 to plan for.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Rob Kinyon
>> _______________________________________________
>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Columbus-pm mailing list
> http://columbus.pm.org/
> Columbus-pm at pm.org
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From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 18:03:40 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <4AFCAB9C.8050702@gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AFCAB9C.8050702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70384420911121803te247776u951eeef20554f159@mail.gmail.com>

Either the 19th or 26th works for me and I can prepare a presentation
for either date.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 19:43, Terrence Brannon <metaperl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 11/26 is better. 7 days is a bit too soon.
>
> Jonathan Hogue wrote:
>
> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>
> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>
> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>
> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>
> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
> 12/17
> 1/21
> 2/18
> 3/18
> 4/15 (tax day?)
> 5/20
> 6/17
> 7/15
> 8/19
> 9/16
> 10/21
> 11/18
>
> This work?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:39, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>
>
> I am really interested in getting these going again, on a recurring basis.
>
> Anyone else interested?
>
> Things to get arranged:
>
> Location:
> Looking into DSW, but no wifi. Anyone have a better location?
> Requirements, somewhat central location, wifi, big room with
> projector/etc, free parking.
>
> Wifi:
> Anyone have access to one of those cellular access point devices? That
> might work for a location that has everything except for wifi.
>
> Dinner:
> Some of the other successful groups in town provide pizza every
> meeting, and those groups get like 30-60 people, and their leaders
> have indicated they get much better attendance when they offer free
> pizza. Maybe, we can look into a sponsor. Anyone know someone who
> would want to sponsor pizza once per month.
>
> Content:
> We need some compelling content. Who is willing to speak?
> Here are some topics of interest. It would be great to line up 4-5
> meetings worth of content.
> ?Perl 6 - with examples
> ?Catalyst
> ?Moose
> ?What else?
>
> Besides lecture style presentations, what else are we interested in?
> Lightning talks (5 minutes) about a broad range of topics?
>
>
> I'm interested. I have a vzn broadband, but no access point thingy. I
> can talk on DBIC development (on the dbic-devel team). I can also talk
> on RDBMS issues (or pretty much anything else, for that matter).
>
> We also have YAPC::2010 to plan for.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rob Kinyon
> _______________________________________________
> Columbus-pm mailing list
> http://columbus.pm.org/
> Columbus-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Columbus-pm mailing list
> http://columbus.pm.org/
> Columbus-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From jon at hogue.org  Fri Nov 13 07:29:28 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:29:28 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <70384420911111336x1283000ana2386c130cdd28fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420911111336x1283000ana2386c130cdd28fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7a7c49c0911130729g7308989cm208b677d5f8a2bd3@mail.gmail.com>

Your call Rob. Inform and/or entertain us.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 16:23, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>
> What do you want me to talk about? I just took over maintenance of
> DBIx::Class::Fixtures and I've been doing design work on SQLA2. Or, I
> could just talk about the last year in DBIC. :)
>
> Rob
>

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 07:30:37 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:30:37 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911130729g7308989cm208b677d5f8a2bd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420911111336x1283000ana2386c130cdd28fc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911130729g7308989cm208b677d5f8a2bd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70384420911130730h5a179b1eu91ddb19ca69bcdd3@mail.gmail.com>

Given that the 26th is Thanksgiving, the 19th is probably a better
bet. I can do a presentation on DBIx::Class::Fixtures on 24h notice.

Rob

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:29, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> Your call Rob. Inform and/or entertain us.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 16:23, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>>
>> What do you want me to talk about? I just took over maintenance of
>> DBIx::Class::Fixtures and I've been doing design work on SQLA2. Or, I
>> could just talk about the last year in DBIC. :)
>>
>> Rob
>>
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From shane at lottadot.com  Fri Nov 13 07:44:54 2009
From: shane at lottadot.com (Shane Zatezalo)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:44:54 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <4AFCAB9C.8050702@gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AFCAB9C.8050702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70764EBD-5FE2-41E2-A8D9-AE2BA530448B@lottadot.com>

That's Thanksgiving. There's no way I'd be able to make that. The 19th is looking best, imho.

On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Terrence Brannon wrote:

> 11/26 is better. 7 days is a bit too soon.
> 
> Jon


From derekbellnersmith at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 13 08:10:00 2009
From: derekbellnersmith at yahoo.com (Derek B. Smith)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:10:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <70764EBD-5FE2-41E2-A8D9-AE2BA530448B@lottadot.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AFCAB9C.8050702@gmail.com>
	<70764EBD-5FE2-41E2-A8D9-AE2BA530448B@lottadot.com>
Message-ID: <821389.82719.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Will someone kindly remove me from this list? 
I sent a blank email to the columbus address with unsubscribe in the subject a few days ago.

 Thanks!
Derek



----- Original Message ----
From: Shane Zatezalo <shane at lottadot.com>
To: columbus-pm at pm.org
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 10:44:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Columbus-pm] Meetings

That's Thanksgiving. There's no way I'd be able to make that. The 19th is looking best, imho.

On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Terrence Brannon wrote:

> 11/26 is better. 7 days is a bit too soon.
> 
> Jon

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From chuck.day at s1te.com  Fri Nov 13 08:14:36 2009
From: chuck.day at s1te.com (Chuck Day)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:14:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <70764EBD-5FE2-41E2-A8D9-AE2BA530448B@lottadot.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AFCAB9C.8050702@gmail.com>
	<70764EBD-5FE2-41E2-A8D9-AE2BA530448B@lottadot.com>
Message-ID: <3979.65.60.133.111.1258128876.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM>

19th looks good for me.

Chuck


> That's Thanksgiving. There's no way I'd be able to make that. The 19th is looking
> best, imho.
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Terrence Brannon wrote:
>
>> 11/26 is better. 7 days is a bit too soon.
>>
>> Jon
>



From jon at hogue.org  Mon Nov 16 13:05:41 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:05:41 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7a7c49c0911161305x2a447fb2vf6da1e056f3a8b09@mail.gmail.com>

Any luck? Should we look for a different host?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>>
>> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>>
>> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>>
>> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
>> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>>
>> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
>> 12/17
>> 1/21
>> 2/18
>> 3/18
>> 4/15 (tax day?)
>> 5/20
>> 6/17
>> 7/15
>> 8/19
>> 9/16
>> 10/21
>> 11/18
>>
>> This work?
>
>
> I'll ask my CTO.
>
>
>
>
> --
> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
> 614-404-4214
>

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 13:24:13 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:24:13 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911161305x2a447fb2vf6da1e056f3a8b09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911161305x2a447fb2vf6da1e056f3a8b09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70384420911161324k425daae7yeea11be0ae85901b@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to know if I'm preparing a talk for 72h from now. :)

Rob

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:05, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> Any luck? Should we look for a different host?
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>>>
>>> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>>>
>>> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>>>
>>> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
>>> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>>>
>>> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
>>> 12/17
>>> 1/21
>>> 2/18
>>> 3/18
>>> 4/15 (tax day?)
>>> 5/20
>>> 6/17
>>> 7/15
>>> 8/19
>>> 9/16
>>> 10/21
>>> 11/18
>>>
>>> This work?
>>
>>
>> I'll ask my CTO.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
>> 614-404-4214
>>
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From jon at hogue.org  Mon Nov 16 13:27:37 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:27:37 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <70384420911161324k425daae7yeea11be0ae85901b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911161305x2a447fb2vf6da1e056f3a8b09@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420911161324k425daae7yeea11be0ae85901b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7a7c49c0911161327i6dee5545mbf2fdf475b16953b@mail.gmail.com>

IMO, I would think no meeting this month. We should probably give at
least 10 days notice.

We could try for any time in the first 3 weeks of December, but we
need to get the location solid soon.



On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to know if I'm preparing a talk for 72h from now. :)
>
> Rob
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:05, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> Any luck? Should we look for a different host?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>>>>
>>>> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>>>>
>>>> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
>>>> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>>>>
>>>> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
>>>> 12/17
>>>> 1/21
>>>> 2/18
>>>> 3/18
>>>> 4/15 (tax day?)
>>>> 5/20
>>>> 6/17
>>>> 7/15
>>>> 8/19
>>>> 9/16
>>>> 10/21
>>>> 11/18
>>>>
>>>> This work?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll ask my CTO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
>>> 614-404-4214
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rob Kinyon
>

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 13:29:34 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:29:34 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911161327i6dee5545mbf2fdf475b16953b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911161305x2a447fb2vf6da1e056f3a8b09@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420911161324k425daae7yeea11be0ae85901b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911161327i6dee5545mbf2fdf475b16953b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70384420911161329s7ca2cde2m4a77d28654e80769@mail.gmail.com>

How about we have a semi-formal meeting anyways? I've already gotten
the evening free from the wife and I'd rather not waste it. :)

Rob

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:27, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> IMO, I would think no meeting this month. We should probably give at
> least 10 days notice.
>
> We could try for any time in the first 3 weeks of December, but we
> need to get the location solid soon.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to know if I'm preparing a talk for 72h from now. :)
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:05, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>> Any luck? Should we look for a different host?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>>>>>
>>>>> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>>>>>
>>>>> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
>>>>> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>>>>>
>>>>> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
>>>>> 12/17
>>>>> 1/21
>>>>> 2/18
>>>>> 3/18
>>>>> 4/15 (tax day?)
>>>>> 5/20
>>>>> 6/17
>>>>> 7/15
>>>>> 8/19
>>>>> 9/16
>>>>> 10/21
>>>>> 11/18
>>>>>
>>>>> This work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll ask my CTO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
>>>> 614-404-4214
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Rob Kinyon
>>
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From jon at hogue.org  Mon Nov 16 13:35:20 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:35:20 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <70384420911161329s7ca2cde2m4a77d28654e80769@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911161305x2a447fb2vf6da1e056f3a8b09@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420911161324k425daae7yeea11be0ae85901b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911161327i6dee5545mbf2fdf475b16953b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420911161329s7ca2cde2m4a77d28654e80769@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7a7c49c0911161335x72469debme6148b58a7684c1f@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be game. Coffee shop or bar? Any suggestions?

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> How about we have a semi-formal meeting anyways? I've already gotten
> the evening free from the wife and I'd rather not waste it. :)
>
> Rob
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:27, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> IMO, I would think no meeting this month. We should probably give at
>> least 10 days notice.
>>
>> We could try for any time in the first 3 weeks of December, but we
>> need to get the location solid soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'd like to know if I'm preparing a talk for 72h from now. :)
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:05, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>> Any luck? Should we look for a different host?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
>>>>>> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
>>>>>> 12/17
>>>>>> 1/21
>>>>>> 2/18
>>>>>> 3/18
>>>>>> 4/15 (tax day?)
>>>>>> 5/20
>>>>>> 6/17
>>>>>> 7/15
>>>>>> 8/19
>>>>>> 9/16
>>>>>> 10/21
>>>>>> 11/18
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This work?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll ask my CTO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
>>>>> 614-404-4214
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob Kinyon
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rob Kinyon
>

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 13:40:35 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:40:35 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911161335x72469debme6148b58a7684c1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com> 
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911161305x2a447fb2vf6da1e056f3a8b09@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420911161324k425daae7yeea11be0ae85901b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911161327i6dee5545mbf2fdf475b16953b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420911161329s7ca2cde2m4a77d28654e80769@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f7a7c49c0911161335x72469debme6148b58a7684c1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70384420911161340v5ef4a849k80c3eb529e191a25@mail.gmail.com>

I'm game for whatever. Any bar has to have a good selection of
non-pilsners on tap. Other than that, I don't care.

Rob

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:35, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> I'd be game. Coffee shop or bar? Any suggestions?
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> How about we have a semi-formal meeting anyways? I've already gotten
>> the evening free from the wife and I'd rather not waste it. :)
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:27, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>> IMO, I would think no meeting this month. We should probably give at
>>> least 10 days notice.
>>>
>>> We could try for any time in the first 3 weeks of December, but we
>>> need to get the location solid soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'd like to know if I'm preparing a talk for 72h from now. :)
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:05, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>>> Any luck? Should we look for a different host?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
>>>>>>> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
>>>>>>> 12/17
>>>>>>> 1/21
>>>>>>> 2/18
>>>>>>> 3/18
>>>>>>> 4/15 (tax day?)
>>>>>>> 5/20
>>>>>>> 6/17
>>>>>>> 7/15
>>>>>>> 8/19
>>>>>>> 9/16
>>>>>>> 10/21
>>>>>>> 11/18
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll ask my CTO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
>>>>>> 614-404-4214
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Rob Kinyon
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Rob Kinyon
>>
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com  Mon Nov 16 13:45:45 2009
From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:45:45 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <70384420911161340v5ef4a849k80c3eb529e191a25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420910280751n21918819me3471be7e4a1ce4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911111254r2f67bd1cw97e72c91cda1bc69@mail.gmail.com>
	<78e64ca0911111323n1ebd273dmaaec725cb0594b80@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911161305x2a447fb2vf6da1e056f3a8b09@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420911161324k425daae7yeea11be0ae85901b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911161327i6dee5545mbf2fdf475b16953b@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420911161329s7ca2cde2m4a77d28654e80769@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911161335x72469debme6148b58a7684c1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420911161340v5ef4a849k80c3eb529e191a25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78e64ca0911161345v2621dd97h30f15aca339725f9@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm game for whatever. Any bar has to have a good selection of
> non-pilsners on tap. Other than that, I don't care.

Does a place like that, with wifi exist anywhere other than in my dreams?


-- 
lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
614-404-4214

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 13:46:16 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:46:16 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <78e64ca0911161345v2621dd97h30f15aca339725f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
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I carry my own shareable wifi, so yes! :)

Rob

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:45, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm game for whatever. Any bar has to have a good selection of
>> non-pilsners on tap. Other than that, I don't care.
>
> Does a place like that, with wifi exist anywhere other than in my dreams?
>
>
> --
> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
> 614-404-4214
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From jon at hogue.org  Mon Nov 16 13:46:59 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:46:59 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <70384420911161340v5ef4a849k80c3eb529e191a25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com> 
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Message-ID: <f7a7c49c0911161346s6d3e2a0ctf6fb834466939207@mail.gmail.com>

I'll settle for Hoegarden on tap, but that's probably like 1-2 places
in Columbus... that I haven't discovered yet.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm game for whatever. Any bar has to have a good selection of
> non-pilsners on tap. Other than that, I don't care.
>
> Rob
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:35, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> I'd be game. Coffee shop or bar? Any suggestions?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> How about we have a semi-formal meeting anyways? I've already gotten
>>> the evening free from the wife and I'd rather not waste it. :)
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:27, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>> IMO, I would think no meeting this month. We should probably give at
>>>> least 10 days notice.
>>>>
>>>> We could try for any time in the first 3 weeks of December, but we
>>>> need to get the location solid soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'd like to know if I'm preparing a talk for 72h from now. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:05, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Any luck? Should we look for a different host?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Cool, Rob, want to talk first? :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone else want to talk in November?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about, favorite catalyst plugins, Perl 6, and/or YAPC 2010?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Len, when is a good day for your office. Let's get something on paper.
>>>>>>>> How about 11/19? (which is the 3rd Thursday of the month).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following that pattern, here is our 2010 schedule.
>>>>>>>> 12/17
>>>>>>>> 1/21
>>>>>>>> 2/18
>>>>>>>> 3/18
>>>>>>>> 4/15 (tax day?)
>>>>>>>> 5/20
>>>>>>>> 6/17
>>>>>>>> 7/15
>>>>>>>> 8/19
>>>>>>>> 9/16
>>>>>>>> 10/21
>>>>>>>> 11/18
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll ask my CTO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
>>>>>>> 614-404-4214
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Rob Kinyon
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob Kinyon
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rob Kinyon
>

From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com  Mon Nov 16 13:49:50 2009
From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:49:50 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911161346s6d3e2a0ctf6fb834466939207@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> I'll settle for Hoegarden on tap, but that's probably like 1-2 places
> in Columbus... that I haven't discovered yet.

Winking Lizard on Bethel has a big world beer tour thing, and The Pub
at Polaris has a big selection too.
Len.

-- 
lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
614-404-4214

From mike at dialyourleads.com  Mon Nov 16 13:50:17 2009
From: mike at dialyourleads.com (Michael Frager)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:50:17 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Nov Meeting
Message-ID: <d80cc7bd0911161350x44ef6094q8b5727c07f607aa4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Columbus.pm,


Is there going to be a meeting this week (or month)?

If so, where/when will it be held?

Also, I'm excited to see that Columbus will be hosting YAPC-NA 2010!



Best Regards,


Michael K Frager, Software Developer

~ Dial Your Leads ~

[+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
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From jon at hogue.org  Mon Nov 16 13:50:56 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:50:56 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <78e64ca0911161349p128b06a6heece3a01f9baa516@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll start a vote. I vote for "The Pub"

Is this the same "The Pub" in the Cincinnati airport?

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> I'll settle for Hoegarden on tap, but that's probably like 1-2 places
>> in Columbus... that I haven't discovered yet.
>
> Winking Lizard on Bethel has a big world beer tour thing, and The Pub
> at Polaris has a big selection too.
> Len.
>
> --
> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
> 614-404-4214
>

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 13:56:08 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:56:08 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911161350n1b783ce7r3fd9d16b8a3ce5ba@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <70384420911161356s436eb516y563a14af571bb5d2@mail.gmail.com>

Another vote for "The Pub".

Rob

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:50, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> I'll start a vote. I vote for "The Pub"
>
> Is this the same "The Pub" in the Cincinnati airport?
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>> I'll settle for Hoegarden on tap, but that's probably like 1-2 places
>>> in Columbus... that I haven't discovered yet.
>>
>> Winking Lizard on Bethel has a big world beer tour thing, and The Pub
>> at Polaris has a big selection too.
>> Len.
>>
>> --
>> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
>> 614-404-4214
>>
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com  Mon Nov 16 14:01:57 2009
From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:01:57 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <70384420911161356s436eb516y563a14af571bb5d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a7c49c0910280739m650b3bd6keb41fecae3441dd3@mail.gmail.com>
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	<f7a7c49c0911161327i6dee5545mbf2fdf475b16953b@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420911161329s7ca2cde2m4a77d28654e80769@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Another vote for "The Pub".

The motion has been seconded.
All in favor say Aye.



-- 
lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
614-404-4214

From jason.l.alexander at jpmchase.com  Mon Nov 16 14:02:35 2009
From: jason.l.alexander at jpmchase.com (Jason L Alexander)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <78e64ca0911161349p128b06a6heece3a01f9baa516@mail.gmail.com>
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	<f7a7c49c0911161335x72469debme6148b58a7684c1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420911161340v5ef4a849k80c3eb529e191a25@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7a7c49c0911161346s6d3e2a0ctf6fb834466939207@mail.gmail.com>
	<78e64ca0911161349p128b06a6heece3a01f9baa516@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E90AE03ECD9EF34F850750948FE0EE8F2471F3C41E@EMARC122VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net>

The Winking Lizard has free wifi, as far as I know.  I don't know about the Pub.

- Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: columbus-pm-bounces+jason.l.alexander=jpmchase.com at pm.org [mailto:columbus-pm-bounces+jason.l.alexander=jpmchase.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Len Jaffe
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:50 PM
To: Jonathan Hogue
Cc: columbus-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Columbus-pm] Meetings

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> I'll settle for Hoegarden on tap, but that's probably like 1-2 places
> in Columbus... that I haven't discovered yet.

Winking Lizard on Bethel has a big world beer tour thing, and The Pub
at Polaris has a big selection too.
Len.

-- 
lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
614-404-4214
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From jason.l.alexander at jpmchase.com  Mon Nov 16 14:05:51 2009
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:05:51 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] post ack
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I just received a post acknowledgement for my mail to Columbus-pm.   Does this happen every time a person emails the list?

-Jason



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From mike at dialyourleads.com  Mon Nov 16 14:25:47 2009
From: mike at dialyourleads.com (Michael Frager)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:25:47 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] MLDBM-like module
Message-ID: <d80cc7bd0911161425o50e7d514ua2fa3f53ff0186de@mail.gmail.com>

Hello (again) Columbus.pm,

I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're not
familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash tied
to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.

I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module that
will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each element of
the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or its
entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive so
entire structures can be stored this way.

The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of any
combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL database. It
works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a custom
SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes will be
transparently stored in the SQL database.

I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering if
there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in learning
about it?



Thanks,


Michael K Frager, Software Developer

~ Dial Your Leads ~

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From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 14:27:14 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:27:14 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] MLDBM-like module
In-Reply-To: <d80cc7bd0911161425o50e7d514ua2fa3f53ff0186de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d80cc7bd0911161425o50e7d514ua2fa3f53ff0186de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70384420911161427h1f3a422csfb0d375559b5a26c@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play together.

Rob

2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
> Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
>
> I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're not
> familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
> contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash tied
> to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
> within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
>
> I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module that
> will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each element of
> the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or its
> entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive so
> entire structures can be stored this way.
>
> The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of any
> combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL database. It
> works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a custom
> SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
> stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes will be
> transparently stored in the SQL database.
>
> I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering if
> there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in learning
> about it?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>
> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>
> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Columbus-pm mailing list
> http://columbus.pm.org/
> Columbus-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From mike at dialyourleads.com  Mon Nov 16 14:40:31 2009
From: mike at dialyourleads.com (Michael Frager)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:40:31 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd:  MLDBM-like module
In-Reply-To: <d80cc7bd0911161433n5f22d93dvf5bb2adb30f81f0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d80cc7bd0911161425o50e7d514ua2fa3f53ff0186de@mail.gmail.com>
	<70384420911161427h1f3a422csfb0d375559b5a26c@mail.gmail.com>
	<d80cc7bd0911161433n5f22d93dvf5bb2adb30f81f0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d80cc7bd0911161440kdeaa982u1b03adc1ebbad2f1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

The big difference between my module and DBM::Deep is that my module uses a
SQL database (like MySQL) instead of flat files. DBM::Deep has implemented
its own locking and concurrency system that is not likely to be a robust as
a real SQL database.

Other than that the concepts are very similar. Basically, you do what you
want to your data structures and the results are transparently and
persistently stored for you.


-Mike



On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play
> together.
>
> Rob
>
> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
> > Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
> >
> > I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're not
> > familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
> > contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash
> tied
> > to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
> > within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
> >
> > I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module that
> > will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each element
> of
> > the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or
> its
> > entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive
> so
> > entire structures can be stored this way.
> >
> > The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of
> any
> > combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL database.
> It
> > works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a
> custom
> > SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
> > stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes will
> be
> > transparently stored in the SQL database.
> >
> > I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering
> if
> > there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in
> learning
> > about it?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
> >
> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
> >
> > [+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Columbus-pm mailing list
> > http://columbus.pm.org/
> > Columbus-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rob Kinyon
>



-- 

Michael K Frager, Software Developer

~ Dial Your Leads ~

[+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
[+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
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From jon at hogue.org  Mon Nov 16 17:58:47 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:58:47 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
In-Reply-To: <d80cc7bd0911161440kdeaa982u1b03adc1ebbad2f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d80cc7bd0911161425o50e7d514ua2fa3f53ff0186de@mail.gmail.com> 
	<70384420911161427h1f3a422csfb0d375559b5a26c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d80cc7bd0911161433n5f22d93dvf5bb2adb30f81f0f@mail.gmail.com> 
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I would love to learn more! How is it different from Tie::DBI? :-)


2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
> Hello,
>
> The big difference between my module and DBM::Deep is that my module uses a
> SQL database (like MySQL) instead of flat files. DBM::Deep has implemented
> its own locking and concurrency system that is not likely to be a robust as
> a real SQL database.
>
> Other than that the concepts are very similar. Basically, you do what you
> want to your data structures and the results are transparently and
> persistently stored for you.
>
>
> -Mike
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play
>> together.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>> > Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
>> >
>> > I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're
>> > not
>> > familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
>> > contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash
>> > tied
>> > to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
>> > within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
>> >
>> > I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module that
>> > will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each
>> > element of
>> > the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or
>> > its
>> > entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive
>> > so
>> > entire structures can be stored this way.
>> >
>> > The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of
>> > any
>> > combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL database.
>> > It
>> > works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a
>> > custom
>> > SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
>> > stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes
>> > will be
>> > transparently stored in the SQL database.
>> >
>> > I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering
>> > if
>> > there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in
>> > learning
>> > about it?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> >
>> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>> >
>> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>> >
>> > [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Columbus-pm mailing list
>> > http://columbus.pm.org/
>> > Columbus-pm at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Rob Kinyon
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>
> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>
> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Columbus-pm mailing list
> http://columbus.pm.org/
> Columbus-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>

From mike at dialyourleads.com  Mon Nov 16 18:23:21 2009
From: mike at dialyourleads.com (Michael Frager)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911161758g30e65ca5gbec22f65b325b2aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d80cc7bd0911161425o50e7d514ua2fa3f53ff0186de@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d80cc7bd0911161433n5f22d93dvf5bb2adb30f81f0f@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d80cc7bd0911161823y525213b6u4be605441b0bf48c@mail.gmail.com>

Great question!

Tie::DBI can only store one level of data. If a hash key contains a nested
data structure, then that structure is just serialized with Storable and
stored in one row.

The module I've written is different in a few ways. First, it supports both
hashes and arrays (it's really two modules, one for each). Second, it's
totally recursive: if the root hash contains nested structures, those
structures are automatically stored in the same way as the root. This means
that key/value pairs and array elements of structures deep within the tree
will also each have their own rows.

Here is the advantage of doing this: SPEED!

When I go to read just a few keys deep within a structure, the algorithm
only has to follow the path through the tree to those specific keys (or
array indexes). It can leave the rest of the data in the database. It
doesn't have to pull the whole thing and de-serialize all of it.

Or, if I want an entire hash, then a different SQL query is used, returning
the entire hash's key/value pairs in one SQL query. Also, the entire table
schema is properly indexed in the SQL database, so lookups of individual
values and entire structures are all done using index lookups and not table
scans.

Finally, caching is employed, so data only has to be read from the SQL
server once.


-Mike

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:

> I would love to learn more! How is it different from Tie::DBI? :-)
>
>
> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
> > Hello,
> >
> > The big difference between my module and DBM::Deep is that my module uses
> a
> > SQL database (like MySQL) instead of flat files. DBM::Deep has
> implemented
> > its own locking and concurrency system that is not likely to be a robust
> as
> > a real SQL database.
> >
> > Other than that the concepts are very similar. Basically, you do what you
> > want to your data structures and the results are transparently and
> > persistently stored for you.
> >
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play
> >> together.
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
> >> > Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
> >> >
> >> > I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're
> >> > not
> >> > familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
> >> > contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash
> >> > tied
> >> > to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are
> contained
> >> > within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
> >> >
> >> > I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module
> that
> >> > will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each
> >> > element of
> >> > the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or
> >> > its
> >> > entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is
> recursive
> >> > so
> >> > entire structures can be stored this way.
> >> >
> >> > The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of
> >> > any
> >> > combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL
> database.
> >> > It
> >> > works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a
> >> > custom
> >> > SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
> >> > stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes
> >> > will be
> >> > transparently stored in the SQL database.
> >> >
> >> > I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was
> wondering
> >> > if
> >> > there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in
> >> > learning
> >> > about it?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
> >> >
> >> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
> >> >
> >> > [+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
> >> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Columbus-pm mailing list
> >> > http://columbus.pm.org/
> >> > Columbus-pm at pm.org
> >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >> Rob Kinyon
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
> >
> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
> >
> > [+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Columbus-pm mailing list
> > http://columbus.pm.org/
> > Columbus-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
> >
>



-- 

Michael K Frager, Software Developer

~ Dial Your Leads ~

[+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
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From jon at hogue.org  Mon Nov 16 19:33:45 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:33:45 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
In-Reply-To: <E90AE03ECD9EF34F850750948FE0EE8F2471F3C41E@EMARC122VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net>
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Okay, Can I change my vote? Lizard is probably more central, too. I
was mistaken about it's location earlier.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Jason L Alexander
<jason.l.alexander at jpmchase.com> wrote:
> The Winking Lizard has free wifi, as far as I know. ?I don't know about the Pub.
>
> - Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: columbus-pm-bounces+jason.l.alexander=jpmchase.com at pm.org [mailto:columbus-pm-bounces+jason.l.alexander=jpmchase.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Len Jaffe
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:50 PM
> To: Jonathan Hogue
> Cc: columbus-pm at pm.org
> Subject: Re: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> I'll settle for Hoegarden on tap, but that's probably like 1-2 places
>> in Columbus... that I haven't discovered yet.
>
> Winking Lizard on Bethel has a big world beer tour thing, and The Pub
> at Polaris has a big selection too.
> Len.
>
> --
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> 614-404-4214
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From mike at dialyourleads.com  Tue Nov 17 06:14:15 2009
From: mike at dialyourleads.com (Michael Frager)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
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Actually, I haven't decided on a name for the version I'm going to release.

I'm considering: Tie::SQL or DBIx::Deep or something like that.

Right now the current modules are tied into my own webapp framework and need
some changes to be made to work independently and thus viable for CPAN.

However, the underlying concept is sturdy and it is something I think a lot
of people would benefit from, so my goal is to push toward a release within
a month.

Also, though this module is the thing that other people would find useful
immediately. I've been working on some other things that are also very cool
and contain ideas that other Perl programmers might want to learn about.

My hope is that I can show some people in Columbus.pm what I've been up to
(beyond the "tie" module), see if they like it, and then head toward a
release of the whole thing in time for YAPC 2010.

On that note, let me put my vote in for the Winking Lizard (on Bethel). What
date/time would that meeting be?

-Mike

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Reginald Tapo <reginald.tapo at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Michael,
>
> This module sounds very intresting, what will you
> call it Tie:: something?
>
> I'd like to see it available through PPM.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>
> *To:* columbus-pm <columbus-pm at pm.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2009 5:40 PM
> *Subject:* [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
>
> Hello,
>
> The big difference between my module and DBM::Deep is that my module uses a
> SQL database (like MySQL) instead of flat files. DBM::Deep has implemented
> its own locking and concurrency system that is not likely to be a robust as
> a real SQL database.
>
> Other than that the concepts are very similar. Basically, you do what you
> want to your data structures and the results are transparently and
> persistently stored for you.
>
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play
>> together.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>>  > Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
>> >
>> > I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're
>> not
>> > familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
>> > contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash
>> tied
>> > to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
>> > within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
>> >
>> > I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module that
>> > will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each
>> element of
>> > the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or
>> its
>> > entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive
>> so
>> > entire structures can be stored this way.
>> >
>> > The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of
>> any
>> > combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL database.
>> It
>> > works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a
>> custom
>> > SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
>> > stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes
>> will be
>> > transparently stored in the SQL database.
>> >
>> > I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering
>> if
>> > there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in
>> learning
>> > about it?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> >
>> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>> >
>> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>> >
>> > [+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
>> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Columbus-pm mailing list
>> > http://columbus.pm.org/
>> > Columbus-pm at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Rob Kinyon
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>
> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>
> [+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>
>  ------------------------------
>
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> Columbus-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>
>


-- 

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~ Dial Your Leads ~

[+] Phone:    (888) 310-4474
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From jon at hogue.org  Tue Nov 17 06:23:02 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:23:02 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
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The date would be 11/19, this Thursday.

The time? 6:30ish PM?

what about DBIx::Tie ? You get the name recognition of DBIx and Tie.

2009/11/17 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
> Actually, I haven't decided on a name for the version I'm going to release.
>
> I'm considering: Tie::SQL or DBIx::Deep or something like that.
>
> Right now the current modules are tied into my own webapp framework and need
> some changes to be made to work independently and thus viable for CPAN.
>
> However, the underlying concept is sturdy and it is something I think a lot
> of people would benefit from, so my goal is to push toward a release within
> a month.
>
> Also, though this module is the thing that other people would find useful
> immediately. I've been working on some other things that are also very cool
> and contain ideas that other Perl programmers might want to learn about.
>
> My hope is that I can show some people in Columbus.pm what I've been up to
> (beyond the "tie" module), see if they like it, and then head toward a
> release of the whole thing in time for YAPC 2010.
>
> On that note, let me put my vote in for the Winking Lizard (on Bethel). What
> date/time would that meeting be?
>
> -Mike
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Reginald Tapo <reginald.tapo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> This module sounds very intresting, what will you
>> call it Tie:: something?
>>
>> I'd like to see it available through PPM.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael Frager
>> To: columbus-pm
>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:40 PM
>> Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
>> Hello,
>>
>> The big difference between my module and DBM::Deep is that my module uses
>> a SQL database (like MySQL) instead of flat files. DBM::Deep has implemented
>> its own locking and concurrency system that is not likely to be a robust as
>> a real SQL database.
>>
>> Other than that the concepts are very similar. Basically, you do what you
>> want to your data structures and the results are transparently and
>> persistently stored for you.
>>
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play
>>> together.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>>> > Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
>>> >
>>> > I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're
>>> > not
>>> > familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
>>> > contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash
>>> > tied
>>> > to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
>>> > within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
>>> >
>>> > I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module
>>> > that
>>> > will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each
>>> > element of
>>> > the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or
>>> > its
>>> > entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive
>>> > so
>>> > entire structures can be stored this way.
>>> >
>>> > The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of
>>> > any
>>> > combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL
>>> > database. It
>>> > works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a
>>> > custom
>>> > SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
>>> > stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes
>>> > will be
>>> > transparently stored in the SQL database.
>>> >
>>> > I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering
>>> > if
>>> > there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in
>>> > learning
>>> > about it?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>> >
>>> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>> >
>>> > [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>>> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Columbus-pm mailing list
>>> > http://columbus.pm.org/
>>> > Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob Kinyon
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>
>> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>
>> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>
>
> --
>
> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>
> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>
> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Columbus-pm mailing list
> http://columbus.pm.org/
> Columbus-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 06:52:00 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:52:00 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] 2Checkout will host Columbus.pm
In-Reply-To: <78e64ca0911170632n35b9e471wa4c66473e0d3d4f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78e64ca0911170632n35b9e471wa4c66473e0d3d4f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70384420911170652t7823e138j5983a2cb5b3cf9e5@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:32, Len Jaffe <lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com> wrote:
> Just got the go-ahead from my CTO. I need to arrange things with the
> guys who handle the security systems and whatnot, but we can use our
> training room, with projector and screen. ?I'll have to look into
> wifi/internet access.
>
> So I think we've found a home starting in December.
>
> Len.
>
> --
> lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
> 614-404-4214
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 06:52:41 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:52:41 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911170623o475785afr3134ab65cd3ab65e@mail.gmail.com>
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Since we don't have a projector, am I giving a talk?

Rob

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:23, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> The date would be 11/19, this Thursday.
>
> The time? 6:30ish PM?
>
> what about DBIx::Tie ? You get the name recognition of DBIx and Tie.
>
> 2009/11/17 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>> Actually, I haven't decided on a name for the version I'm going to release.
>>
>> I'm considering: Tie::SQL or DBIx::Deep or something like that.
>>
>> Right now the current modules are tied into my own webapp framework and need
>> some changes to be made to work independently and thus viable for CPAN.
>>
>> However, the underlying concept is sturdy and it is something I think a lot
>> of people would benefit from, so my goal is to push toward a release within
>> a month.
>>
>> Also, though this module is the thing that other people would find useful
>> immediately. I've been working on some other things that are also very cool
>> and contain ideas that other Perl programmers might want to learn about.
>>
>> My hope is that I can show some people in Columbus.pm what I've been up to
>> (beyond the "tie" module), see if they like it, and then head toward a
>> release of the whole thing in time for YAPC 2010.
>>
>> On that note, let me put my vote in for the Winking Lizard (on Bethel). What
>> date/time would that meeting be?
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Reginald Tapo <reginald.tapo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> This module sounds very intresting, what will you
>>> call it Tie:: something?
>>>
>>> I'd like to see it available through PPM.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael Frager
>>> To: columbus-pm
>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:40 PM
>>> Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> The big difference between my module and DBM::Deep is that my module uses
>>> a SQL database (like MySQL) instead of flat files. DBM::Deep has implemented
>>> its own locking and concurrency system that is not likely to be a robust as
>>> a real SQL database.
>>>
>>> Other than that the concepts are very similar. Basically, you do what you
>>> want to your data structures and the results are transparently and
>>> persistently stored for you.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play
>>>> together.
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>>>> > Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
>>>> >
>>>> > I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're
>>>> > not
>>>> > familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
>>>> > contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash
>>>> > tied
>>>> > to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
>>>> > within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module
>>>> > that
>>>> > will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each
>>>> > element of
>>>> > the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or
>>>> > its
>>>> > entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive
>>>> > so
>>>> > entire structures can be stored this way.
>>>> >
>>>> > The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of
>>>> > any
>>>> > combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL
>>>> > database. It
>>>> > works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a
>>>> > custom
>>>> > SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
>>>> > stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes
>>>> > will be
>>>> > transparently stored in the SQL database.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering
>>>> > if
>>>> > there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in
>>>> > learning
>>>> > about it?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>>> >
>>>> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>>> >
>>>> > [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>>>> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Columbus-pm mailing list
>>>> > http://columbus.pm.org/
>>>> > Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Rob Kinyon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>>
>>> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>>
>>> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>>> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>
>> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>
>> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Columbus-pm mailing list
> http://columbus.pm.org/
> Columbus-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From jon at hogue.org  Tue Nov 17 07:11:13 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:11:13 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
In-Reply-To: <70384420911170652o50ffcc02y3313ed819e3aab53@mail.gmail.com>
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No, unless you really want to :-)

I was thinking we'd just run it like the last meeting. Meet, talk
about random stuff that's on our mind that might be Perl related,
until we tire of each other or they kick us out.

BTW, I've been talking to the author of Date::Manip, trying to run
some tests for him on Vista/Windows 7. His version 6.0 module, which
he's been working on for 5 years, is almost ready for release. I could
talk about what's new with that. (and what's old with it if you aren't
familiar). (in December or January)

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since we don't have a projector, am I giving a talk?
>
> Rob
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:23, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>> The date would be 11/19, this Thursday.
>>
>> The time? 6:30ish PM?
>>
>> what about DBIx::Tie ? You get the name recognition of DBIx and Tie.
>>
>> 2009/11/17 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>>> Actually, I haven't decided on a name for the version I'm going to release.
>>>
>>> I'm considering: Tie::SQL or DBIx::Deep or something like that.
>>>
>>> Right now the current modules are tied into my own webapp framework and need
>>> some changes to be made to work independently and thus viable for CPAN.
>>>
>>> However, the underlying concept is sturdy and it is something I think a lot
>>> of people would benefit from, so my goal is to push toward a release within
>>> a month.
>>>
>>> Also, though this module is the thing that other people would find useful
>>> immediately. I've been working on some other things that are also very cool
>>> and contain ideas that other Perl programmers might want to learn about.
>>>
>>> My hope is that I can show some people in Columbus.pm what I've been up to
>>> (beyond the "tie" module), see if they like it, and then head toward a
>>> release of the whole thing in time for YAPC 2010.
>>>
>>> On that note, let me put my vote in for the Winking Lizard (on Bethel). What
>>> date/time would that meeting be?
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Reginald Tapo <reginald.tapo at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> This module sounds very intresting, what will you
>>>> call it Tie:: something?
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to see it available through PPM.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Michael Frager
>>>> To: columbus-pm
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:40 PM
>>>> Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> The big difference between my module and DBM::Deep is that my module uses
>>>> a SQL database (like MySQL) instead of flat files. DBM::Deep has implemented
>>>> its own locking and concurrency system that is not likely to be a robust as
>>>> a real SQL database.
>>>>
>>>> Other than that the concepts are very similar. Basically, you do what you
>>>> want to your data structures and the results are transparently and
>>>> persistently stored for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play
>>>>> together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>>>>> > Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're
>>>>> > not
>>>>> > familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
>>>>> > contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash
>>>>> > tied
>>>>> > to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
>>>>> > within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module
>>>>> > that
>>>>> > will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each
>>>>> > element of
>>>>> > the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or
>>>>> > its
>>>>> > entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive
>>>>> > so
>>>>> > entire structures can be stored this way.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of
>>>>> > any
>>>>> > combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL
>>>>> > database. It
>>>>> > works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a
>>>>> > custom
>>>>> > SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
>>>>> > stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes
>>>>> > will be
>>>>> > transparently stored in the SQL database.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering
>>>>> > if
>>>>> > there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in
>>>>> > learning
>>>>> > about it?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>>>> >
>>>>> > [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>>>>> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Columbus-pm mailing list
>>>>> > http://columbus.pm.org/
>>>>> > Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>>>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Rob Kinyon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>>>
>>>> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>>>
>>>> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>>>> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>>>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>>>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>>
>>> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>>
>>> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>>> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rob Kinyon
>

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 07:12:06 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911170711s3e9063b0nfeca6f09ca007a8c@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds good to me. :)

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:11, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> No, unless you really want to :-)
>
> I was thinking we'd just run it like the last meeting. Meet, talk
> about random stuff that's on our mind that might be Perl related,
> until we tire of each other or they kick us out.
>
> BTW, I've been talking to the author of Date::Manip, trying to run
> some tests for him on Vista/Windows 7. His version 6.0 module, which
> he's been working on for 5 years, is almost ready for release. I could
> talk about what's new with that. (and what's old with it if you aren't
> familiar). (in December or January)
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Since we don't have a projector, am I giving a talk?
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:23, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>> The date would be 11/19, this Thursday.
>>>
>>> The time? 6:30ish PM?
>>>
>>> what about DBIx::Tie ? You get the name recognition of DBIx and Tie.
>>>
>>> 2009/11/17 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>>>> Actually, I haven't decided on a name for the version I'm going to release.
>>>>
>>>> I'm considering: Tie::SQL or DBIx::Deep or something like that.
>>>>
>>>> Right now the current modules are tied into my own webapp framework and need
>>>> some changes to be made to work independently and thus viable for CPAN.
>>>>
>>>> However, the underlying concept is sturdy and it is something I think a lot
>>>> of people would benefit from, so my goal is to push toward a release within
>>>> a month.
>>>>
>>>> Also, though this module is the thing that other people would find useful
>>>> immediately. I've been working on some other things that are also very cool
>>>> and contain ideas that other Perl programmers might want to learn about.
>>>>
>>>> My hope is that I can show some people in Columbus.pm what I've been up to
>>>> (beyond the "tie" module), see if they like it, and then head toward a
>>>> release of the whole thing in time for YAPC 2010.
>>>>
>>>> On that note, let me put my vote in for the Winking Lizard (on Bethel). What
>>>> date/time would that meeting be?
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Reginald Tapo <reginald.tapo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> This module sounds very intresting, what will you
>>>>> call it Tie:: something?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to see it available through PPM.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Michael Frager
>>>>> To: columbus-pm
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:40 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> The big difference between my module and DBM::Deep is that my module uses
>>>>> a SQL database (like MySQL) instead of flat files. DBM::Deep has implemented
>>>>> its own locking and concurrency system that is not likely to be a robust as
>>>>> a real SQL database.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than that the concepts are very similar. Basically, you do what you
>>>>> want to your data structures and the results are transparently and
>>>>> persistently stored for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rob Kinyon <rob.kinyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be very interested in seeing how this and DBM::Deep could play
>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
>>>>>> > Hello (again) Columbus.pm,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have developed a module that is somewhat like MLDBM. In case you're
>>>>>> > not
>>>>>> > familiar with MLDBM, this module will take a hash and synchronize its
>>>>>> > contents with a DB file for persistent storage. Unlike a regular hash
>>>>>> > tied
>>>>>> > to a DB file, MLDBM will save entire data structures that are contained
>>>>>> > within the hash keys, serializing them on the fly.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I've taken that concept a little bit further and developed a module
>>>>>> > that
>>>>>> > will synchronize both hashes and arrays with a SQL database. Each
>>>>>> > element of
>>>>>> > the data structure being stored can either be stored as its own row or
>>>>>> > its
>>>>>> > entire contents serialized (similar to MLDBM). The process is recursive
>>>>>> > so
>>>>>> > entire structures can be stored this way.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The upshot is that you can take an entire Perl data structure, made of
>>>>>> > any
>>>>>> > combination of hashes and arrays, and just place it into a SQL
>>>>>> > database. It
>>>>>> > works no matter how deep the structure is and without the need for a
>>>>>> > custom
>>>>>> > SQL schema. Since Perl's "tie" function is use, once the structure is
>>>>>> > stored, it can be manipulated like any variable, except that changes
>>>>>> > will be
>>>>>> > transparently stored in the SQL database.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I'm in the processes of preparing this module for CPAN, I was wondering
>>>>>> > if
>>>>>> > there is anyone in the Columbus.pm group who might be interested in
>>>>>> > learning
>>>>>> > about it?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>>>>>> > [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>> > Columbus-pm mailing list
>>>>>> > http://columbus.pm.org/
>>>>>> > Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>>>>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Rob Kinyon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>>>>
>>>>> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>>>>
>>>>> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>>>>> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>>>>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>>>>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>>>>
>>>> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>>>>
>>>> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
>>>> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>>>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>>>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Columbus-pm mailing list
>>> http://columbus.pm.org/
>>> Columbus-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Rob Kinyon
>>
>



-- 
Thanks,
Rob Kinyon

From metaperl at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 11:41:06 2009
From: metaperl at gmail.com (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:41:06 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:

>
>
> BTW, I've been talking to the author of Date::Manip, trying to run
> some tests for him on Vista/Windows 7. His version 6.0 module, which
> he's been working on for 5 years, is almost ready for release. I could
> talk about what's new with that. (and what's old with it if you aren't
> familiar). (in December or January)
>

I'd be curious to know what it offers over the DateTime::* hierarchy.
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From jon at hogue.org  Tue Nov 17 11:48:54 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:48:54 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: MLDBM-like module
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Mostly English.

You can specify dates auto-magically with things like:

"tomorrow"
"next Wednesday"
"Nov 18"
"November 18, 2009"
"a week from tomorrow"
"next year"
"next christmas"

And you can also do date math in a similar way.

I'm not sure what's new in 6.0 though.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Terrence Brannon <metaperl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> BTW, I've been talking to the author of Date::Manip, trying to run
>> some tests for him on Vista/Windows 7. His version 6.0 module, which
>> he's been working on for 5 years, is almost ready for release. I could
>> talk about what's new with that. (and what's old with it if you aren't
>> familiar). (in December or January)
>
> I'd be curious to know what it offers over the DateTime::* hierarchy.
>

From metaperl at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 13:00:46 2009
From: metaperl at gmail.com (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:00:46 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Meetings
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I was thinking it might be useful for all the active members to put where
they are coming from on a map so we can see what suits most people.

What time do we normally start these meetings?

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:

> Okay, Can I change my vote? Lizard is probably more central, too. I
> was mistaken about it's location earlier.
>
>
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From jon at hogue.org  Wed Nov 18 18:40:16 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:40:16 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Nov Meeting
In-Reply-To: <d80cc7bd0911161350x44ef6094q8b5727c07f607aa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d80cc7bd0911161350x44ef6094q8b5727c07f607aa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7a7c49c0911181840q1215a4c3qd455179eefd5f3ad@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.

Winking Lizard http://www.winkinglizard.com/data/content/columbusBethel.asp
6:30 PM

Thursday, November 18.

The meeting will be very informal.

2009/11/16 Michael Frager <mike at dialyourleads.com>:
> Hello Columbus.pm,
>
>
> Is there going to be a meeting this week (or month)?
>
> If so, where/when will it be held?
>
> Also, I'm excited to see that Columbus will be hosting YAPC-NA 2010!
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Michael K Frager, Software Developer
>
> ~ Dial Your Leads ~
>
> [+] Phone: ? ?(888) 310-4474
> [+] Website: https://www.dialyourleads.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Columbus-pm mailing list
> http://columbus.pm.org/
> Columbus-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm
>

From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com  Thu Nov 19 12:50:50 2009
From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:50:50 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] Nov Meeting
In-Reply-To: <f7a7c49c0911181840q1215a4c3qd455179eefd5f3ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d80cc7bd0911161350x44ef6094q8b5727c07f607aa4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Jonathan Hogue <jon at hogue.org> wrote:
> Yes.
>
> Winking Lizard http://www.winkinglizard.com/data/content/columbusBethel.asp
> 6:30 PM
>


I have to work until 8 - drink slow, and display your camels so I can
find you :-)

-- 
lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com
614-404-4214

From rob.kinyon at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 16:00:04 2009
From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:04 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] @winking lizard
Message-ID: <4506610580929875795@unknownmsgid>

Where Are you? I am at a table.

From jon at hogue.org  Fri Nov 20 15:14:48 2009
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:14:48 -0500
Subject: [Columbus-pm] December Meeting
Message-ID: <f7a7c49c0911201514jd81d88dxbab4438317d148a0@mail.gmail.com>

We're looking at December 10th for the Dec meeting.
7 PM.
2checkout.com HQ