From jon at hogue.org Tue May 25 23:01:06 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:29:09 2004 Subject: [Columbus-pm] June Meeting Message-ID: <1085544066.40b416827a5f2@webmail.olicentral.com> For a June meeting, want to do a social meeting? Cookout/Picnic? Bring the family and kids. It's summer, the weather is nice. From jalex at pobox.com Mon May 10 18:21:42 2004 From: jalex at pobox.com (Jason Alexander) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] Message-ID: <1084231301.13537.3.camel@fido.local.gov> -----Forwarded Message----- > From: "Wilcox, Randy L." > To: jalex@pobox.com > Subject: Perl User Group Job Board > Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:52:50 -0400 > > > > Jason, > > Good afternoon! I am dire need of a solid Perl resource. > My client needs someone with Perl (OOPerl), Unix, Oracle, Sybase and > potentially work with Java down the road. The contract is long term. > It is more difficult finding Perl specified developers than I thought > it would be?.. > > Also, is there a difference between Perl and OO Perl? My client says > he is looking for OO Perl and I was not aware that there was a major > difference. Thank you very much for any help! Have a great day! > > > > > > > > > > > > Randy Wilcox > > Market Operations Manager > > Kforce Professional Staffing > > 614-776-3203 (direct line) > > 614-899-0504 (fax) > > > > 501 W. Schrock Rd. > > Suite 207 > > Westerville, Ohio 43081 > > www.kforce.com > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charles.Day at s1te.com Mon May 10 19:22:01 2004 From: Charles.Day at s1te.com (Charles Day) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] In-Reply-To: <1084231301.13537.3.camel@fido.local.gov> References: <1084231301.13537.3.camel@fido.local.gov> Message-ID: <3877.65.60.236.219.1084234921.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> Randy, Jason forwarded this to the columbus perl group. We have a few members that can help you out. I think of mod_perl when I see OOPerl (Object Oriented), and yes there's a difference with all the referencing going on, but it's still perl. I'm sure Len has a more in-depth explanation:) I have experience in unix, oracle, perl and Sybase. It sounds like your client's webpages are running on Apache with an Oracle db. Why he choose Oracle is beyond me, but I suppose it works for the end user just fine. I'm running a similar environment only using SQL 2000. The DBI scripts remain the same which is nice. I'm only available part-time though. Also, there's a perl-jobs mailing list. If you post to this, you'll get 100 responses from fully qualified perl programmers. Good luck! Charles Day > -----Forwarded Message----- >> From: "Wilcox, Randy L." >> To: jalex@pobox.com >> Subject: Perl User Group Job Board >> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:52:50 -0400 >> >> >> >> Jason, >> >> Good afternoon! I am dire need of a solid Perl >> resource. >> My client needs someone with Perl (OOPerl), Unix, Oracle, >> Sybase and >> potentially work with Java down the road. The contract is >> long term. >> It is more difficult finding Perl specified developers than I >> thought >> it would be .. >> >> Also, is there a difference between Perl and OO Perl? My >> client says >> he is looking for OO Perl and I was not aware that there was a >> major >> difference. Thank you very much for any help! Have a great >> day! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Randy Wilcox >> >> Market Operations Manager >> >> Kforce Professional Staffing >> >> 614-776-3203 (direct line) >> >> 614-899-0504 (fax) >> >> >> >> 501 W. Schrock Rd. >> >> Suite 207 >> >> Westerville, Ohio 43081 >> >> www.kforce.com >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Mon May 10 21:16:02 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] In-Reply-To: <3877.65.60.236.219.1084234921.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> References: <1084231301.13537.3.camel@fido.local.gov> <3877.65.60.236.219.1084234921.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> Message-ID: <1084241762.40a03762e30ef@webmail.olicentral.com> I interviewed for it today. It seems like an interesting oportunity. They are running on IPlanet. They have some custom written stuff to handle statefullness. The said it's written in OOPerl, but on Iplanet. They have a pretty large code base. They have talked about moving to Java. They like the benefits of J2EE with object persistance and speed. Of course, Perl at least matches that when used with mod_per/apache. Java is a propietary technology, just like Microsoft Windows is. Perl is open source. If you don't like the direction, licensing, ethics, new owners, etc. etc. of Sun, it will take a substantial financial investment to change your direction by picking a different product. If you don't like the direction, licensing, etc. etc of an open technology, you can branch it, stop upgrading (may not be an option with propietary technologies), or pick a different branch of the same technology. But that's just my opinion :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From lenjaffe at mail.com Mon May 10 22:00:27 2004 From: lenjaffe at mail.com (Leonard Jaffe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] Message-ID: <20040511030027.B2264101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: jon@hogue.org Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:16:02 -0700 To: columbus-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] > They are running on IPlanet. They have some custom written stuff to handle > statefullness. The said it's written in OOPerl, but on Iplanet. They have a > pretty large code base. > > They have talked about moving to Java. They like the benefits of J2EE with > object persistance and speed. Of course, Perl at least matches that when used > with mod_per/apache. I've seen the single-vendor open systems solution before. Oracle perfected it. Be thankfulthey're using perl, and don't sweat the Java. It's easy enough to learn, and can get you jobs in between perl work. My cheese has moved quite a bit lateley, and if my cheese turns from perl to java, or .Net, then whatever. I just like to write software. As long as I'm treated with respect, the tools are not a huge deal. Cold Fusion wasn't so bad, C# is Java in a microsoft polo shirt. Oh, and Chuck, an object in perl is a blessed reference. When you see somebody looking of OOperl, they want to be sure you've created objects of you own. It appears that soemwhere along the line, headhunters and hiring managers invented the term OOperl, and it isn't good enough to just just know perl anymore, you have to know OOperl. So learn those oo concepts, and read those design patterns. 2 4 6 8 everyone instantiate. Len. -- Len Jaffe LenJaffe@JaffeSystems.com Leonard Jaffe Computer Systems Consulting Ltd Columbus, OH, USA 614-404-4214 -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Tue May 11 08:05:41 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] In-Reply-To: <20040511030027.B2264101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040511030027.B2264101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1084280741.40a0cfa56b886@webmail.olicentral.com> > When you see somebody looking of OOperl, they want to be sure you've created > objects of > you own. It appears that soemwhere along the line, headhunters and hiring > managers invented > the term OOperl, and it isn't good enough to just just know perl anymore, you > have to know OOperl. > So learn those oo concepts, and read those design patterns. 2 4 6 8 everyone > instantiate. > > Len. If there is an interest, I can go over Perl Objects and Mod_Perl in the next meeting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From geary at acm.org Tue May 11 08:33:07 2004 From: geary at acm.org (geary@acm.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] In-Reply-To: <1084280741.40a0cfa56b886@webmail.olicentral.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 May 2004 jon@hogue.org wrote: > If there is an interest, I can go over Perl Objects and Mod_Perl in the next > meeting. Sounds good to me. Mark -- "It's going to be a tough one Sam...Ziggy hasn't got a clue and the guy in the waiting room keeps asking me if I want a jelly baby." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rwilcox at kforce.com Tue May 11 08:28:33 2004 From: rwilcox at kforce.com (Wilcox, Randy L.) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] Message-ID: To take a simplistic view of this...Is it safe to say that if I am strong Perl programmer who has created objects on my own, that I can put OOPerl on my resume and that should satisfy the hiring manager without misrepresenting myself? Randy Wilcox Market Operations Manager Kforce Professional Staffing 614-776-3203 (direct line) 614-899-0504 (fax) 501 W. Schrock Rd. Suite 207 Westerville, Ohio 43081 www.kforce.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-columbus-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-columbus-pm-list@pm.org] On Behalf Of jon@hogue.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:06 AM To: columbus-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] > When you see somebody looking of OOperl, they want to be sure you've created > objects of > you own. It appears that soemwhere along the line, headhunters and hiring > managers invented > the term OOperl, and it isn't good enough to just just know perl anymore, you > have to know OOperl. > So learn those oo concepts, and read those design patterns. 2 4 6 8 everyone > instantiate. > > Len. If there is an interest, I can go over Perl Objects and Mod_Perl in the next meeting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Tue May 11 08:52:41 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board, Maypole] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1084283561.40a0daa96de3a@webmail.olicentral.com> Quoting "Wilcox, Randy L." : > To take a simplistic view of this...Is it safe to say that if I am > strong Perl programmer who has created objects on my own, that I can put > OOPerl on my resume and that should satisfy the hiring manager without > misrepresenting myself? I would even go as far as, if you've used Perl objects, that would satisfy that requirement. (Most modules are oo... like DBI, CGI, etc). On another thread, have you guys looked at maypole (Apache::MVC). If you're doing web-app development in perk, it deserves a glance. This is a very mature implementation of a framework that only requires that you tell it about your database, and it automagically creates an app interface to it. It uses Class::DBI, mod_perl, and one of the popular templating modules (I forget which one). They are also working on plugging it into Mason for the front in piece. The application will give you new, delete, list, edit, etc. funcitonality on your web object. And it exposes interfaces to extend the functionality. Maypole is 90% of all your web apps, and it is written to utilize current perl best practices. There's a couple of good articles about it on perl.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From smithde at oclc.org Tue May 11 09:07:09 2004 From: smithde at oclc.org (Smith,Devon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board, Maypole] Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: jon@hogue.org [mailto:jon@hogue.org] > > Quoting "Wilcox, Randy L." : > > > To take a simplistic view of this...Is it safe to say that if I am > > strong Perl programmer who has created objects on my own, > that I can put > > OOPerl on my resume and that should satisfy the hiring > manager without > > misrepresenting myself? > > I would even go as far as, if you've used Perl objects, that > would satisfy > that requirement. (Most modules are oo... like DBI, CGI, etc). > I disagree. If you haven't written, or don't know how to write a class in Perl, then you shouldn't put "OOPerl" on a resume. Perl is a great blend of procedural and OOP. You could make heavy use of objects, without knowing very much about OOP. /dev -- Devon Smith Software Engineer, Office of Research OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc http://www.oclc.org/research/ http://www.oclc.org/research/staff/smith.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From lenjaffe at mail.com Tue May 11 17:38:02 2004 From: lenjaffe at mail.com (Leonard Jaffe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board, Maypole] Message-ID: <20040511223802.5C635101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith,Devon" Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:07:09 -0400 To: "'columbus-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'" ,"Wilcox, Randy L." Subject: RE: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board, Maypole] > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jon@hogue.org [mailto:jon@hogue.org] > > > > Quoting "Wilcox, Randy L." : > > > OOPerl on my resume and that should satisfy the hiring > > > manager without > > > misrepresenting myself? > > > > I would even go as far as, if you've used Perl objects, that > > would satisfy > > that requirement. (Most modules are oo... like DBI, CGI, etc). > > > > I disagree. If you haven't written, or don't know how to write a > class in Perl, then you shouldn't put "OOPerl" on a resume. > Perl is a great blend of procedural and OOP. You could make heavy > use of objects, without knowing very much about OOP. I agree with Devon. Having tried to run the OOperl vs Perl gauntlet in 2001 with VZW and not getting in the door. That said, the OO perl docs that come with perl, and the chapters in the llama book and the cookbook are great resources for all this stuff. First learn yourself about perl Modules, and how they differ form perl libraries. The learn yourself the concepts of Object Oriented Programming. Then take a module, and turn it into an object. Now you have OOPerl. It isn't really difficult, but most places that are hiring don't want to pay you to learn what they need you to know, they want you to know it already. So pick your buzzwords, and become buzzword comlpliant. Len. -- Len Jaffe LenJaffe@JaffeSystems.com Leonard Jaffe Computer Systems Consulting Ltd Columbus, OH, USA 614-404-4214 -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From lenjaffe at mail.com Tue May 11 18:07:52 2004 From: lenjaffe at mail.com (Leonard Jaffe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] Message-ID: <20040511230752.B10FD101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilcox, Randy L." Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:28:33 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board] > To take a simplistic view of this...Is it safe to say that if I am > strong Perl programmer who has created objects on my own, that I can put > OOPerl on my resume and that should satisfy the hiring manager without > misrepresenting myself? If you have written applications in Perl, and used the concepts and methods of Object Oriented Programming (classes, methods, inheritence, private data, etc.) , rather than Procedural Programming (functions, subroutines, public data, etc.), then you're OOPerl compliant. There's a fine line though, because in OOPerl, the main differnce between a procedural module, and an Object module is a constructor subroutine named new() and a tiny bit of new code in each subroutine to manage the reference that points to the object. It does not take much to move from Procedural style perl to OOperl, and that is a strength of Perl's. The bigger deal is really the OO design and analysis, by which you arrive at your class hierarchy for your applicatiuon. Len. There, that was simplistic :-) -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmiller at purifieddata.net Tue May 11 18:24:17 2004 From: jmiller at purifieddata.net (jmiller@purifieddata.net) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:19 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] [Fwd: Perl User Group Job Board, Maypole] In-Reply-To: <20040511223802.5C635101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040511223802.5C635101C4@ws1-16.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20040511191843.Y10984@maverick.purifieddata.net> On Tue, 11 May 2004, Leonard Jaffe wrote: > > I agree with Devon. Having tried to run the OOperl vs Perl gauntlet in > 2001 with VZW and not getting in the door. That said, the OO perl docs > that come with perl, and the chapters in the llama book and the cookbook > are great resources for all this stuff. > > First learn yourself about perl Modules, and how they differ form perl libraries. > The learn yourself the concepts of Object Oriented Programming. > Then take a module, and turn it into an object. Now you have OOPerl. > > It isn't really difficult, but most places that are hiring don't want to pay you > to learn what they need you to know, they want you to know it already. So pick your > buzzwords, and become buzzword comlpliant. > Af far as referance material, I'd highly suggest the Alpaca book, "Learning Perl Objects, References & Modules", especially if you want to learn OOP. IMHO, it's the best book on perl I've ever read. It doesn't cover the fundamentals, but if you know most of what's covered in the Llama book, "Learning Perl", this is the next step (even mentioned in the book, is that maybe it should have been called "Learning More Perl"). It's a bit short, but covers a whole lot of really good stuff. -- Josh I. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list -----------------------------------------------------------------------