<DIV>PS, I am not against using a CLI, just prefer to avoid it when possible. Guess that's the slcker in me.</DIV>
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<DIV>sam<BR><BR><B><I>classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Send Classiccity-pm mailing list submissions to<BR>classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>classiccity-pm-owner@mail.pm.org<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Classiccity-pm digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. Re: Mod Perl Question (Darrell Golliher)<BR>2. Re: Mod Perl Question (Mark Hazen)<BR>3. Re: Mod Perl Question (Shawn Boyette)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:07:53 -0400<BR>From: Darrell Golliher <DARRELL@GOLLIHER.NET><BR>Subject: Re:
[Classiccity-pm] Mod Perl Question<BR>To: "All purpose mailing list for Athens, Ga Perl Mongers"<BR><CLASSICCITY-PM@MAIL.PM.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <20040406170753.GA23496@golliher.net><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR><BR><BR>On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 09:59:30AM -0700, Sam Feltus wrote:<BR>> Hey ya'll.<BR>> <BR>> I was wanting to tinker with ModPerl on a local machine.<BR>> <BR>> Was thinking of getting RedHat 9.0, since hosting company is a RedHat shop.<BR>> <BR>> I have only really used SuSe 8, so am spoiled with a nice GUI to install packages for me, so I can remain Happily Lazy and Ignorant of the CLI install process whenever possible.<BR>> <BR>> Choices<BR>> RedHat 9.0 <BR>> RedHat Fedora Core 1 <BR>> SuSe Pro 9 Upgrade <BR>> Something else ya'll suggest <BR>> <BR>> Obviously all are so dirt cheap price is irrelevant.<BR>> <BR>> I really like SuSe due to it doing alot of dirty work for me.<BR>> <BR>> Sam
the Perl Gardener<BR>> <BR><BR>I'm out of tune with all distros that don't happen to be debian.<BR>Debian however isn't for the CLI adverse. Sorry, can't be much<BR>help there.<BR><BR>Before you go too far, have you checked to make sure your hosting<BR>company provides a mod_perl environment? If you're co-locating<BR>a server you should be in good shape, but I'd be surprised if a regular<BR>shared hosting company allowed mod_perl.<BR><BR>-d<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:39:59 -0400<BR>From: Mark Hazen <MARKH@MARKH.COM><BR>Subject: Re: [Classiccity-pm] Mod Perl Question<BR>To: "All purpose mailing list for Athens, Ga Perl Mongers"<BR><CLASSICCITY-PM@MAIL.PM.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <20040406193959.GA32284@archon.thehazens.net><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR><BR><BR>> I was wanting to tinker with ModPerl on a local machine.<BR><BR>Woo, you asked a holy-war kind of question... "what distro should I use?"
:)<BR><BR>It really boils down to how much you *want* to learna about linux, and if<BR>you do want to learn about linux, how much you want your distro to be close<BR>to the heart of what makes up linux, versus how customized it is for a<BR>particular distro.<BR><BR>Beyond this, if you think you might need to customize Apache or mod_perl at<BR>all, you'll likely to need to compile it yourself eventually. Otherwise,<BR>for learning purposes, you'll probably like the convenience of something<BR>with *both* good management tools and precompiled packages.a<BR><BR>Oversimplifying here, but this leaves out both Gentoo and Debian. <BR><BR>Gentoo is generally a compile things yourself distro, and yes, while the<BR>compile process is painless (it's wrappered under their package management<BR>system), it's still compiling, and that can be quite intimidating for people<BR>who are new to Linux. I have had much better success getting things to work<BR>as desired under Gentoo than most distros,
but it's a thumbs down as far as<BR>"plug it in and go".<BR><BR>Debian has very good packages with pretty sane defaults, but is pretty<BR>atrocious when it comes to mixing in prepackaged items and compiling and<BR>installing applications from source... Also, the versions of softwar ethey<BR>use are, for the sake of sticking to the tried and true, pretty far back in<BR>history for a lot of things.<BR><BR>IMO you have to know a lot more about how Debian works under the hood before<BR>you will feel comfy there... you can easily get into what people used to<BR>call "RPM Hell" under Redhat, which means you have a mix of precompiled and<BR>custom compiled code, and have to do a lot of juggling to get things to work<BR>seamlessly).<BR><BR>Mandrake's very good on the pointy-clicky management, but it's got a ton of<BR>stuff piled on top... because it's primarily a desktop distro. I've not used<BR>the new RedHat versions, but I've heard pretty decent things about them, so<BR>that really seems
to be the best choice here, because when you buy RedHat,<BR>you are really paying for their top-notch support.<BR><BR>Debian is, if you don't mind a good bit of "uh, okay, sure, use the defaults<BR>and I will figure it out later" a great choice if you want to install a free<BR>distribution now just to try something out. The installation is a nightmare<BR>though because there's no official "download and boot ths disc" to get<BR>things rolling, you're a little bit on your own. See if a friend has the<BR>Lord Sutch netinstall CD (I have one somewhere I think) and borrow that from<BR>'em... I've never gotten Debian's CD-building tool (jigdo) to give me a<BR>working install CD, out of four or five attempts.<BR><BR>O'course, I say that, not having used Redhat since RH8, and not having used<BR>it as my core distro since 7.2 or so... :) All of this is opinion, if you<BR>hadn't noticed. Everyone seems to have their favorites, and I've had<BR>different good and bad experiences with different
distros from everyone<BR>else. YMMV... :)<BR><BR>-mh.<BR>----<BR>. _+m"m+_"+_ Mark Hazen<BR>d' Jp qh qh<BR>Jp O O O<BR>Yb Yb dY dY<BR>O "Y5m2Y" " even the mightiest wave starts out as a ripple.<BR>"Y_ why make waves when it's easier to nurture ripples?<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:18:47 -0400<BR>From: Shawn Boyette <MDXI@COLLAPSAR.NET><BR>Subject: Re: [Classiccity-pm] Mod Perl Question<BR>To: "All purpose mailing list for Athens, Ga Perl Mongers"<BR><CLASSICCITY-PM@MAIL.PM.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <20040407001847.GB26899@fornax.collapsar.net><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR><BR>On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 03:39:59PM -0400, Mark Hazen wrote:<BR><BR>> Debian has very good packages with pretty sane defaults, but is pretty<BR>> atrocious when it comes to mixing in prepackaged items and compiling and<BR>> installing applications from source... <BR><BR>I found rather the opposite to be true: one big reason I
abandoned<BR>RedHat all those years ago was that I found *it* very bad at handling<BR>handbuilt things, multiple versions of libs, and the like (note: I'm<BR>talking about redhat 5 here), while it's never been an issue with<BR>Debian.<BR><BR>> Also, the versions of softwar ethey<BR>> use are, for the sake of sticking to the tried and true, pretty far back in<BR>> history for a lot of things.<BR><BR>This is only true if you're using the Stable distro. And when Debian<BR>says "Stable", they don't mean "Not Broken", they mean "Guaranteed<BR>Never To Change Except For The Most Important Security Patches And<BR>Bugfixes". Stable, in a nutshell, is for building business apps on top<BR>of. Most rational desktop users should use the Testing distro, which<BR>gives you all the up-to-date goodness of the Unstable (Development)<BR>distro, but with a 10 day no-bugs-filed delay on packages. It really<BR>is the best of both worlds. All my servers actually run Testing.<BR><BR>As something
of an aside, I never had anything but the worst of luck<BR>with distro-supplied Apaches, especially complicated ones like mod_*<BR>variants; I always build Apache by hand. so I was initially pretty<BR>confused by this question. As in "What the hell Apache gots to do with<BR>your distro?"<BR><BR>-- <BR>Shawn Boyette<BR>mdxi@collapsar.net<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Classiccity-pm mailing list<BR>Classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org<BR>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm<BR><BR><BR>End of Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 10, Issue 2<BR>*********************************************</BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr size=1><font face=arial size=-1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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