Since we're talking about semi-random perl stuffs, I'll point out that I now have *more* code on CPAN than ESR does. It's an astonishingly trivial module, but somebody actually asked for it. http://search.cpan.org/~mdxi/String-MFN-1.13/lib/String/MFN.pm One day I might even do something *useful*. -- Shawn Boyette mdxi at collapsar.net