<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Yeah, Perl is a thinking person's tool, which turns a lot of people off. Perl and Python are still like 95% identical from 50,000 ft up from the user's perspective. The strictness of Python helps less capable programmers a bit but the rise of Python can also be attributed to people wanting to get on the latest greatest trend as well... Go was trendy after Python, but it's not going to unseat Python. Go has its place as something a bit better than Java for production and commercial applications. Docker, Influxdb, Grafana, all the Hashicorp tools - they are all written in Go.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">A couple of annoying things about Python; users are continually confused by immutable objects, which is a common cause for production issues I find, and Python dispenses with a super important best practice which is in the namespace of public modules. Perl wasn't great, but it tracked C++ at least. Java and Go nailed it for the internet age, where you use the reverse TLDN as the namespace ~like com.google.<division>.<project>.<module>, so People name Python modules whatever the heck is the very first thing they think of and at least one popular package manager may preferentially pull something from the internet with the same name. There's ways around that.</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Ironically, I joined DRW 5 months ago, who used to host the Perl UG meetings in downtown Chicago at 540 W Madison. Even funnier: they acquired the company I was working for, Chopper, when I was attending the PUG's, but they didn't acquire me. I had some adventures at other places and now I'm working with the same people I used to work with at Chopper. They still have Perl in production but safe to say Python is the big cheese. </div></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Regards,<br>Sean<br><br><div>Sean Blanton</div><div><a href="mailto:sean@blanton.com" target="_blank">sean@blanton.com</a></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 11:17 AM J L <<a href="mailto:joel.limardo@forwardphase.com">joel.limardo@forwardphase.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px">"I'm only lightly technical these days, having moved into a sales role a decade ago. I haven't really done any programming for years."</span><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Here's my two cents: If the entities you serve do not want Perl who cares? What do YOU want? When I work with a company they give me an assignment-- give us X. How I model X, support X until I hand it over to their own internal support department, etc. is *my* business. How I handle contact management (Perl), documentation (wiki written in Perl), and even software testing (system I wrote in Perl) is MY business. They get the cake; I keep the pan, spoons, cling wrap, and the ovens. Now I can make more cakes elsewhere. I can even give them away.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Perl's strength is that it gives you an actual tool to help you think for yourself. You don't need a company to tell you what software problems to think about. Just as the writer *must* write the programmer *must* program. To the devil with what companies want and what some nondescript IT management fool is telling you. What do YOU want to do with the wonderful grey matter residing atop thine head? Solve problems, explore.</span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 9:56 PM Jay S <<a href="mailto:me@heyjay.com" target="_blank">me@heyjay.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Perl Mongers,<div>I hope all is well.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm only lightly technical these days, having moved into a sales role a decade ago. I haven't really done any programming for years.</div><div><br></div><div>It seems like Perl6 was too big an effort, leaderless, and sort of fizzled out while Python ascended. Technical folks I sell to all have Python people (and scala ruby Java(script)) - I never hear anyone mention Perl.</div><div><br></div><div>Is my perspective right, wrong? </div><div><br></div><div>Jay</div><div><br></div></div>
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