From michael at potter.name  Mon May  3 06:29:36 2010
From: michael at potter.name (Michael Potter)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:29:36 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Macbook pro question
Message-ID: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Macbook pro question and I am asking it here because many of you
use Macbook pros.  I searched the Apple forums for this and there is an
overwhelming number of opinions.  The problem with searching the apple
forums is I want the opinions of my peers: people who use the Macbook pro to
develop code.  I don't use Photoshop so the quality of viewing a photo does
not really matter to me.

Anyway, here is my question:
Which is better for the way we work: Glossy or Matte screens?

I am also going to the Apple Store to compare.  But I am not sure that I
will get a fair comparison in the store.

-- 
Michael Potter
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From ed at questinformation.com  Mon May  3 06:40:54 2010
From: ed at questinformation.com (Ed Pigg)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:40:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Macbook pro question
In-Reply-To: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA5330A2-30B1-45D0-9666-B416246D2D51@questinformation.com>


On May 3, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Michael Potter wrote:

> I have a Macbook pro question and I am asking it here because many  
> of you use Macbook pros.  I searched the Apple forums for this and  
> there is an overwhelming number of opinions.  The problem with  
> searching the apple forums is I want the opinions of my peers:  
> people who use the Macbook pro to develop code.  I don't use  
> Photoshop so the quality of viewing a photo does not really matter  
> to me.
>
> Anyway, here is my question:
> Which is better for the way we work: Glossy or Matte screens?

That's a fairly subjective question. It all depends upon you and your  
preference. I always had matte screens on the mac laptops until the  
last time I updated. I usually buy through the Apple store getting  
refurbished units. I've been using a glossy 15" Macbook Pro for the  
last 3 years. Most of the time I am connected to a 22" screen, so that  
does not count for this discussion.

Other than having to adjust the screen for reflected light I have not  
had any problems with the glossy screen. YMMV



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From joel.limardo at forwardphase.com  Mon May  3 07:28:52 2010
From: joel.limardo at forwardphase.com (Joel Limardo)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:28:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Macbook pro question
In-Reply-To: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <o2n2e9c1b1f1005030728h9bf7cdfaj1f80e5ac17e9d905@mail.gmail.com>

"...I want the opinions of my peers: people who use the Macbook pro to
develop code..."

Haha...I think people in the MacBook Pro user forums would likely think that
was an offensive statement. I mean, who in the heck is writing all of this
iPhone/iPad apps....Windows users?

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Michael Potter <michael at potter.name> wrote:

> I have a Macbook pro question and I am asking it here because many of you
> use Macbook pros.  I searched the Apple forums for this and there is an
> overwhelming number of opinions.  The problem with searching the apple
> forums is I want the opinions of my peers: people who use the Macbook pro to
> develop code.  I don't use Photoshop so the quality of viewing a photo does
> not really matter to me.
>
> Anyway, here is my question:
> Which is better for the way we work: Glossy or Matte screens?
>
> I am also going to the Apple Store to compare.  But I am not sure that I
> will get a fair comparison in the store.
>
> --
> Michael Potter
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
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ForwardPhase Technologies, LLC
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Suite 1200-10
Chicago, IL 60611
www.forwardphase.com
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From jon-chicagotalk at jrock.us  Mon May  3 11:00:01 2010
From: jon-chicagotalk at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 13:00:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Macbook pro question
In-Reply-To: <o2n2e9c1b1f1005030728h9bf7cdfaj1f80e5ac17e9d905@mail.gmail.com>
	(Joel Limardo's message of "Mon, 3 May 2010 09:28:52 -0500")
References: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<o2n2e9c1b1f1005030728h9bf7cdfaj1f80e5ac17e9d905@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87y6g0x3vi.fsf@snowball2.jrock.us>

* On Mon, May 03 2010, Joel Limardo wrote:
> I mean, who in the heck is writing all of these iPhone/iPad apps

Not the people that are debating glossy vs. matte screens on Apple's
forums.

-- 
print just => another => perl => hacker => if $,=$"

From cjhamil at gmail.com  Mon May  3 11:08:58 2010
From: cjhamil at gmail.com (Chris Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:08:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Macbook pro question
In-Reply-To: <87y6g0x3vi.fsf@snowball2.jrock.us>
References: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<o2n2e9c1b1f1005030728h9bf7cdfaj1f80e5ac17e9d905@mail.gmail.com>
	<87y6g0x3vi.fsf@snowball2.jrock.us>
Message-ID: <k2hed9bf8a11005031108nbfdc8f7r2a9af10ae7aeeff@mail.gmail.com>

Unless you're primarily using your PC outdoors on sunny days it's probably
not going to make much difference (and even in those cases it's difficult to
see a matte screen anyway).  Glossy screens generally look more vibrant,
particularly when you don't have a bright light source directly behind your
head.

As stated above, it's really a matter of personal preference, I'd go
somewhere and take a look at both screens side by side if you can, whichever
one you think looks better is the correct answer.

It's probably worth noting that not all glossy screens are created equal,
either, I've definitely seen some that appear to handle reflections a lot
better than others.

-Chris

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Jonathan Rockway
<jon-chicagotalk at jrock.us>wrote:

> * On Mon, May 03 2010, Joel Limardo wrote:
> > I mean, who in the heck is writing all of these iPhone/iPad apps
>
> Not the people that are debating glossy vs. matte screens on Apple's
> forums.
>
> --
> print just => another => perl => hacker => if $,=$"
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From lembark at wrkhors.com  Mon May  3 13:46:15 2010
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:46:15 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Macbook pro question
In-Reply-To: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100503164615.4aaba8b6lembark@wrkhors.com@wrkhors.com>

On Mon, 3 May 2010 09:29:36 -0400
Michael Potter <michael at potter.name> wrote:

> develop code.  I don't use Photoshop so the quality of viewing a photo does
> not really matter to me.
> 
> Anyway, here is my question:
> Which is better for the way we work: Glossy or Matte screens?
> 
> I am also going to the Apple Store to compare.  But I am not sure that I
> will get a fair comparison in the store.

Matte has fewer problems with reflections. ANY
dust, scratches, snot, etc, on a glossy screen
will be picked up immediately. I find the Matte
screens also work quite nicely for images. This
has nothing to do with macbooks in particular.


-- 
Steven Lembark                                            85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing                                 Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From michael at potter.name  Mon May  3 16:36:26 2010
From: michael at potter.name (Michael Potter)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:36:26 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Macbook pro question
In-Reply-To: <8594544614390788254@unknownmsgid>
References: <t2t2379dacc1005030629k84abcc4ag669c2ac9f26ae1e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<8594544614390788254@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <x2n2379dacc1005031636yd4dd2f0nbb279e7effcea9a3@mail.gmail.com>

I just got back from the apple store: I am convinced to buy the matte
screen.  There was no position for the glossy screen that did not cause a
reflection.  There was no position for the matte screen that caused a
reflection.

Thanks for your comments.
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From lembark at wrkhors.com  Fri May  7 20:02:21 2010
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 23:02:21 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Legal opinion from Chicago court of appeals
Message-ID: <20100507230221.2fb5106flembark@wrkhors.com@wrkhors.com>


Federal Court of Appeals in Chicago has detemined that  'a 
computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any 
invention in human history  with the possible exceptions 
of handguns and tequila.'

Or, perhaps, Java?

-- 
Steven Lembark                                          85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing                               Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                    +1 888 359 3508

From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Mon May 10 08:13:06 2010
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:13:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Not enough format arguments
Message-ID: <353479.63501.qm@web58707.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hello, 
?
I try to format the output as below with last couple of colmns being able to extend from 0 to any number of lines. If there is no data after 5th element, 'Not enough format arguments' warning message will be triggered. Is ther any simple way to make the format do not complain?
?
Record1 12:30 98.40% 12 67.54% a(6) 77 80
???????????????????????????????b(1) 56 54
?
format MFILE =
@<<<<<<<<<<<<<@>>>>> @>>>>> @>>>>> @>>>>> @>>@>>>@>>>>>@>>>>>
splice(@{$printArray[$ii]}, 0, 5),??????? splice(@{$printArray[$ii]}, 0, 4) if @{$printArray[$ii]},
??????????????????????????????????????????@>>@>>>@>>>>>@>>>>> ~~
????????????????????????????????????????? splice(@{$printArray[$ii]}, 0, 4) if @{$printArray[$ii]}
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From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Mon May 10 09:34:14 2010
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Not enough format arguments
In-Reply-To: <353479.63501.qm@web58707.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <353479.63501.qm@web58707.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OF74646976.4FCB4766-ON8625771F.005AD080-8625771F.005B0639@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

Not sure what exactly would be best (splice and numbers seems odd) but:


splice(@{$printArray[$ii]}, 0, 4) if @{$printArray[$ii]}


You could use the "pitchfork" ? : operator


@{$printArray[$ii]} ? splice(@{$printArray[$ii]}, 0, 4) : 0





That is, a default of zero if the array is empty.





a

----------------------
Andy Bach
Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
Voice: (608) 261-5738;
Cell: (608) 658-1890

Ducharme's Axiom:
If you view your problem closely enough you
will recognize yourself as part of the problem.


From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Mon May 10 12:35:05 2010
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Not enough format arguments
In-Reply-To: <OF74646976.4FCB4766-ON8625771F.005AD080-8625771F.005B0639@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <353479.63501.qm@web58707.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<OF74646976.4FCB4766-ON8625771F.005AD080-8625771F.005B0639@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <27269.90040.qm@web58706.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Sorry, I? did not make the question clear. To make the question clearer, I simplifye it as below.

#for a list of list
@lol = (["a"], ["b", 1], ["c", 1,2], ['d', 1, 2, 3]);
#I expet the output to be displaied like:
#a
#b????????? 1
#c????????? 1
#????????? ?2
#d????????? 1
#?????????? 2
#????????? ?3
foreach (@lol) {
? @ll = @$_;
? write FMFILE;
}
#format used:
format FMFIEL = 
@<????????? @>>
shift(@ll),?shift(@ll) if @ll,
??????????? @>> ~~
??????????? shift(@ll) if @ll,
.

The question is when there is only one element in the sub-list, it will complain for the first and second line?of the format has not enough argument. I cheat it with:

push @ll, '' if @==1;

There is no complain for the first line noe, but it cannot make the second line quiet if there is only two elements, while?empty line?is not wanted in ?the output.
?
As the @lol is very long, it makes a lot of noise; I do not like to turn off the warning, as it may cover other real issue.




________________________________
From: "Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov" <Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov>
To: Chicago.pm chatter <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 11:34:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Not enough format arguments

Not sure what exactly would be best (splice and numbers seems odd) but:


splice(@{$printArray[$ii]}, 0, 4) if @{$printArray[$ii]}


You could use the "pitchfork" ? : operator


@{$printArray[$ii]} ? splice(@{$printArray[$ii]}, 0, 4) : 0





That is, a default of zero if the array is empty.





a

----------------------
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Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
Voice: (608) 261-5738;
Cell: (608) 658-1890

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From v.velox at vvelox.net  Thu May 13 02:16:25 2010
From: v.velox at vvelox.net (Zane C.B.)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 04:16:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl CMS suggestions
Message-ID: <20100513041625.4fcd55ff@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net>

Outside of Bricolage, any one have any suggestions on a Perl CMS that
supports PostgreSQL?
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From younda at gmail.com  Thu May 13 08:36:51 2010
From: younda at gmail.com (David Young)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:36:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl CMS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20100513041625.4fcd55ff@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net>
References: <20100513041625.4fcd55ff@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikzC3Pt_nOpD1FRTaugnLDChhTCk4_Z3-pKY6z8@mail.gmail.com>

Take a look at WebGUI.  www.webgui.org or plainblack.com.

ydy


On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Zane C.B. <v.velox at vvelox.net> wrote:

> Outside of Bricolage, any one have any suggestions on a Perl CMS that
> supports PostgreSQL?
>
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From v.velox at vvelox.net  Thu May 13 11:25:31 2010
From: v.velox at vvelox.net (Zane C.B.)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:25:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl CMS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikzC3Pt_nOpD1FRTaugnLDChhTCk4_Z3-pKY6z8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100513041625.4fcd55ff@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net>
	<AANLkTikzC3Pt_nOpD1FRTaugnLDChhTCk4_Z3-pKY6z8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100513132531.2d19860e@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net>

On Thu, 13 May 2010 10:36:51 -0500
David Young <younda at gmail.com> wrote:

> Take a look at WebGUI.  www.webgui.org or plainblack.com.

Nah, does not match one of the big requirements, supporting
PostgreSQL.

Unfortunately WebGUI went the direction of deciding to code it
specifically MySQL.
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From joel.limardo at forwardphase.com  Thu May 13 18:20:45 2010
From: joel.limardo at forwardphase.com (Joel Limardo)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:20:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl CMS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20100513132531.2d19860e@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net>
References: <20100513041625.4fcd55ff@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net>
	<AANLkTikzC3Pt_nOpD1FRTaugnLDChhTCk4_Z3-pKY6z8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100513132531.2d19860e@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTil-BdA_UIyjt8lcmMUC3nqxuxxN3utidz36TSWP@mail.gmail.com>

Here's an old post on Perlmonks with the same issue:
http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=498079

<http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=498079>I took a quick look and the only
one I see that supports PostgreSQL is this one:
http://www.cyclone3.org<http://www.cyclone3.org/development/roadmap>

<http://www.cyclone3.org/development/roadmap>I've never used Cyclone, so I
have no comment as to its functionality.

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Zane C.B. <v.velox at vvelox.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 May 2010 10:36:51 -0500
> David Young <younda at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Take a look at WebGUI.  www.webgui.org or plainblack.com.
>
> Nah, does not match one of the big requirements, supporting
> PostgreSQL.
>
> Unfortunately WebGUI went the direction of deciding to code it
> specifically MySQL.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>



-- 
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Joel Limardo
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ForwardPhase Technologies, LLC
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Suite 1200-10
Chicago, IL 60611
www.forwardphase.com
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From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Fri May 14 19:34:14 2010
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 21:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: [yapc] Early Bird Registration Ends Tomorrow
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From amead2 at alanmead.org  Mon May 17 14:25:10 2010
From: amead2 at alanmead.org (Alan Mead)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:25:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
Message-ID: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org>

I have a CGI-based study coded in Perl that needs to randomly assign 
participants to conditions.  The code below sucks:

  my @conditions = qw/cond1 cond2 cond3 cond4a/;
  shuffle(@conditions);
  $$state{'condition'} = $conditions[0];

I've just run through a dozen tests and cond3 appeared 90% of the time 
and cond2 10% of the time (cond1 and cond4a never appearing).  I haven't 
run the numbers, but I think this is "statistically significant". I 
think my shuffle is a "good" one from the on-line Perl lore, but maybe 
I'm wrong:

#----------------------------------------------------------
# Durstenfeld's implementation of Fisher and Yates
#----------------------------------------------------------
sub shuffle {
  my $n = scalar @_;
  while ( $n > 0 ) {
    $n--;
    my $j = int rand $n;
    ($_[$j], $_[$n]) = ($_[$n], $_[$j]); # swap
  }
}

Assuming that shuffle() is not the culprit, I think it's just that when 
I run this code quickly/repeatedly, rand() is getting seeded with 
substantially the same value and is generating essentially the same 
initial value.  If so, my question is whether there is a better way to 
generate random numbers (so that the first values are more random). 

I was wondering if anyone agreed/disagreed and whether anyone had a 
"lazy" solution... if not, I can enforce better randomness by keeping 
some sort of state in a database.

-Alan

-- 
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Assistant Professor of Industrial and Organization Psychology
Scientific Advisor to the Center for Research and Service
Illinois Institute of Technology
3101 South Dearborn, 2nd floor
Chicago IL 60616
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thereby become a monster.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil"


From lee at laylward.com  Mon May 17 14:49:40 2010
From: lee at laylward.com (Lee Aylward)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:49:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
In-Reply-To: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org>
References: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org>
Message-ID: <20100517164940.15bf78a2@hactar.servercentral.net>

Hi,

I typically use List::Util's shuffle function. I can't really say if
it will give you better results, though.

-- 
Lee

On Mon, 17 May 2010 16:25:10 -0500
Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org> wrote:

> I have a CGI-based study coded in Perl that needs to randomly assign 
> participants to conditions.  The code below sucks:
> 
>   my @conditions = qw/cond1 cond2 cond3 cond4a/;
>   shuffle(@conditions);
>   $$state{'condition'} = $conditions[0];
> 
> I've just run through a dozen tests and cond3 appeared 90% of the
> time and cond2 10% of the time (cond1 and cond4a never appearing).  I
> haven't run the numbers, but I think this is "statistically
> significant". I think my shuffle is a "good" one from the on-line
> Perl lore, but maybe I'm wrong:
> 
> #----------------------------------------------------------
> # Durstenfeld's implementation of Fisher and Yates
> #----------------------------------------------------------
> sub shuffle {
>   my $n = scalar @_;
>   while ( $n > 0 ) {
>     $n--;
>     my $j = int rand $n;
>     ($_[$j], $_[$n]) = ($_[$n], $_[$j]); # swap
>   }
> }
> 
> Assuming that shuffle() is not the culprit, I think it's just that
> when I run this code quickly/repeatedly, rand() is getting seeded
> with substantially the same value and is generating essentially the
> same initial value.  If so, my question is whether there is a better
> way to generate random numbers (so that the first values are more
> random). 
> 
> I was wondering if anyone agreed/disagreed and whether anyone had a 
> "lazy" solution... if not, I can enforce better randomness by keeping 
> some sort of state in a database.
> 
> -Alan
> 

From dean at serenevy.net  Mon May 17 16:19:16 2010
From: dean at serenevy.net (Dean Serenevy)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:19:16 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
In-Reply-To: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org>
References: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org>
Message-ID: <4BF1CEF4.7070601@serenevy.net>


On 05/17/2010 05:25 PM, Alan Mead wrote:
> #----------------------------------------------------------
> # Durstenfeld's implementation of Fisher and Yates
> #----------------------------------------------------------
> sub shuffle {
>  my $n = scalar @_;
>  while ( $n > 0 ) {
>    $n--;
>    my $j = int rand $n;
>    ($_[$j], $_[$n]) = ($_[$n], $_[$j]); # swap
>  }
> }
> 
> Assuming that shuffle() is not the culprit, I think it's just that when

Bad assumption. That is not the Fisher-Yates shuffle. Try this (from perlfaq):

sub shuffle {
  my $n = @_;
  while (--$n) {
    my $j = int rand ($n+1);
    @_[$n,$j] = @_[$j,$n];
  }
}

Note that:
* a no-op is possible in this version ($n may equal $j)
* The last $n through the loop is 1 not 0

Good Day,
  Dean

From amead2 at alanmead.org  Mon May 17 16:29:51 2010
From: amead2 at alanmead.org (Alan Mead)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:29:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
In-Reply-To: <4BF1CEF4.7070601@serenevy.net>
References: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org> <4BF1CEF4.7070601@serenevy.net>
Message-ID: <4BF1D16F.9050707@alanmead.org>

Dean Serenevy wrote:
> On 05/17/2010 05:25 PM, Alan Mead wrote:
>   
>> Assuming that shuffle() is not the culprit, I think it's just that when
>>     
>
> Bad assumption. That is not the Fisher-Yates shuffle. Try this (from perlfaq):
>
> sub shuffle {
>   my $n = @_;
>   while (--$n) {
>     my $j = int rand ($n+1);
>     @_[$n,$j] = @_[$j,$n];
>   }
> }
>
>   

Under light testing, this seems much better.  Thanks!

-Alan

-- 
Alan D. Mead, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Industrial and Organization Psychology
Scientific Advisor to the Center for Research and Service
Illinois Institute of Technology
3101 South Dearborn, 2nd floor
Chicago IL 60616
+312.567.5933 (Campus)
+815.588.3846 (Home Office)
+312.567.3493 (Fax)

http://www.iit.edu/~mead
http://www.center.iit.edu
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From andy at petdance.com  Mon May 17 17:05:40 2010
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:05:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
In-Reply-To: <4BF1CEF4.7070601@serenevy.net>
References: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org> <4BF1CEF4.7070601@serenevy.net>
Message-ID: <BF328C77-4E1F-46A8-87FE-CD18BFD9D8FB@petdance.com>


On May 17, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Dean Serenevy wrote:

> Bad assumption. That is not the Fisher-Yates shuffle. Try this (from perlfaq):

Rather than replicating code, use the one in List::Util which is included with Perl itself since 5.7.3.

$ corelist List::Util

List::Util was first released with perl 5.007003


--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance





From crap at mooresystems.com  Mon May 17 17:11:36 2010
From: crap at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:11:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
In-Reply-To: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org>
References: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbuJMxnlVkpv3TT0VOiVvNxl0gaK88Y83wEVO0@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org> wrote:
> I have a CGI-based study coded in Perl that needs to randomly assign
> participants to conditions. ?The code below sucks:
>
> ?my @conditions = qw/cond1 cond2 cond3 cond4a/;
> ?shuffle(@conditions);
> ?$$state{'condition'} = $conditions[0];

Is it necessary to shuffle the entire array when you seem to only want
a random element?

$state->{condition} = $conditions[ rand @conditions ];

Perhaps it is, and the justification wasn't shown, but sometimes I do
needless work myself, so I thought I'd check.

Cheers,
-Andy

From bdoty at eqtc.com  Thu May 20 08:51:56 2010
From: bdoty at eqtc.com (Brad Doty)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:51:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PERL mortgage
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1274209229.19250.chicago-talk@pm.org>
References: <mailman.9.1274209229.19250.chicago-talk@pm.org>
Message-ID: <1274370716.11062.119.camel@bdoty01.eqtc.local>

OK, what party within the Perl community went and opened a mortgage
broker?

http://www.perlmortgage.com/bankrate/landing/index2.html

  
Thanks,

bRad


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   1. Random first numbers (Alan Mead)
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   4. Re: Random first numbers (Alan Mead)
   5. Re: Random first numbers (Andy Lester)
   6. Re: Random first numbers (Andrew Moore)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:25:10 -0500
From: Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org>
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
To: "Chicago.pm chatter" <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Message-ID: <4BF1B436.6020409 at alanmead.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I have a CGI-based study coded in Perl that needs to randomly assign 
participants to conditions.  The code below sucks:

  my @conditions = qw/cond1 cond2 cond3 cond4a/;
  shuffle(@conditions);
  $$state{'condition'} = $conditions[0];

I've just run through a dozen tests and cond3 appeared 90% of the time 
and cond2 10% of the time (cond1 and cond4a never appearing).  I haven't 
run the numbers, but I think this is "statistically significant". I 
think my shuffle is a "good" one from the on-line Perl lore, but maybe 
I'm wrong:

#----------------------------------------------------------
# Durstenfeld's implementation of Fisher and Yates
#----------------------------------------------------------
sub shuffle {
  my $n = scalar @_;
  while ( $n > 0 ) {
    $n--;
    my $j = int rand $n;
    ($_[$j], $_[$n]) = ($_[$n], $_[$j]); # swap
  }
}

Assuming that shuffle() is not the culprit, I think it's just that when 
I run this code quickly/repeatedly, rand() is getting seeded with 
substantially the same value and is generating essentially the same 
initial value.  If so, my question is whether there is a better way to 
generate random numbers (so that the first values are more random). 

I was wondering if anyone agreed/disagreed and whether anyone had a 
"lazy" solution... if not, I can enforce better randomness by keeping 
some sort of state in a database.

-Alan

-- 
Alan D. Mead, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Industrial and Organization Psychology
Scientific Advisor to the Center for Research and Service
Illinois Institute of Technology
3101 South Dearborn, 2nd floor
Chicago IL 60616
+312.567.5933 (Campus)
+815.588.3846 (Home Office)
+312.567.3493 (Fax)

http://www.iit.edu/~mead
http://www.center.iit.edu
http://www.alanmead.org

He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he
thereby become a monster.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil"



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:49:40 -0500
From: Lee Aylward <lee at laylward.com>
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
To: chicago-talk at pm.org
Message-ID: <20100517164940.15bf78a2 at hactar.servercentral.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi,

I typically use List::Util's shuffle function. I can't really say if
it will give you better results, though.

-- 
Lee

On Mon, 17 May 2010 16:25:10 -0500
Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org> wrote:

> I have a CGI-based study coded in Perl that needs to randomly assign 
> participants to conditions.  The code below sucks:
> 
>   my @conditions = qw/cond1 cond2 cond3 cond4a/;
>   shuffle(@conditions);
>   $$state{'condition'} = $conditions[0];
> 
> I've just run through a dozen tests and cond3 appeared 90% of the
> time and cond2 10% of the time (cond1 and cond4a never appearing).  I
> haven't run the numbers, but I think this is "statistically
> significant". I think my shuffle is a "good" one from the on-line
> Perl lore, but maybe I'm wrong:
> 
> #----------------------------------------------------------
> # Durstenfeld's implementation of Fisher and Yates
> #----------------------------------------------------------
> sub shuffle {
>   my $n = scalar @_;
>   while ( $n > 0 ) {
>     $n--;
>     my $j = int rand $n;
>     ($_[$j], $_[$n]) = ($_[$n], $_[$j]); # swap
>   }
> }
> 
> Assuming that shuffle() is not the culprit, I think it's just that
> when I run this code quickly/repeatedly, rand() is getting seeded
> with substantially the same value and is generating essentially the
> same initial value.  If so, my question is whether there is a better
> way to generate random numbers (so that the first values are more
> random). 
> 
> I was wondering if anyone agreed/disagreed and whether anyone had a 
> "lazy" solution... if not, I can enforce better randomness by keeping 
> some sort of state in a database.
> 
> -Alan
> 


------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:19:16 -0400
From: Dean Serenevy <dean at serenevy.net>
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
To: "Chicago.pm chatter" <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Message-ID: <4BF1CEF4.7070601 at serenevy.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8


On 05/17/2010 05:25 PM, Alan Mead wrote:
> #----------------------------------------------------------
> # Durstenfeld's implementation of Fisher and Yates
> #----------------------------------------------------------
> sub shuffle {
>  my $n = scalar @_;
>  while ( $n > 0 ) {
>    $n--;
>    my $j = int rand $n;
>    ($_[$j], $_[$n]) = ($_[$n], $_[$j]); # swap
>  }
> }
> 
> Assuming that shuffle() is not the culprit, I think it's just that when

Bad assumption. That is not the Fisher-Yates shuffle. Try this (from perlfaq):

sub shuffle {
  my $n = @_;
  while (--$n) {
    my $j = int rand ($n+1);
    @_[$n,$j] = @_[$j,$n];
  }
}

Note that:
* a no-op is possible in this version ($n may equal $j)
* The last $n through the loop is 1 not 0

Good Day,
  Dean


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:29:51 -0500
From: Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org>
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
To: "Chicago.pm chatter" <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Message-ID: <4BF1D16F.9050707 at alanmead.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"

Dean Serenevy wrote:
> On 05/17/2010 05:25 PM, Alan Mead wrote:
>   
>> Assuming that shuffle() is not the culprit, I think it's just that when
>>     
>
> Bad assumption. That is not the Fisher-Yates shuffle. Try this (from perlfaq):
>
> sub shuffle {
>   my $n = @_;
>   while (--$n) {
>     my $j = int rand ($n+1);
>     @_[$n,$j] = @_[$j,$n];
>   }
> }
>
>   

Under light testing, this seems much better.  Thanks!

-Alan



From briank at kappacs.com  Thu May 20 09:09:46 2010
From: briank at kappacs.com (Brian Katzung)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:09:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PERL mortgage
In-Reply-To: <1274370716.11062.119.camel@bdoty01.eqtc.local>
References: <mailman.9.1274209229.19250.chicago-talk@pm.org>
	<1274370716.11062.119.camel@bdoty01.eqtc.local>
Message-ID: <4BF55ECA.1030707@kappacs.com>

And then had the audacity to create their web site using PHP! Sheesh! Is 
nothing sacred any more?

   - Brian

On 2010-05-20 10:51, Brad Doty wrote:
> OK, what party within the Perl community went and opened a mortgage
> broker?
>
> http://www.perlmortgage.com/bankrate/landing/index2.html
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> bRad
>    

-- 
Brian Katzung, Kappa Computer Solutions, LLC
Leveraging UNIX, GNU/Linux, open source, and custom
software solutions for business and beyond
Phone: 877.367.8837 x1  http://www.kappacs.com


From zrusilla at mac.com  Thu May 20 14:00:52 2010
From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:00:52 -0700
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PERL mortgage
In-Reply-To: <1274370716.11062.119.camel@bdoty01.eqtc.local>
References: <mailman.9.1274209229.19250.chicago-talk@pm.org>
	<1274370716.11062.119.camel@bdoty01.eqtc.local>
Message-ID: <146656751960436463536239295444272123603-Webmail@me.com>

Is it located next to Cafe Perl?

http://www.cafeperl.com/

 
On Thursday, May 20, 2010, at 08:51AM, "Brad Doty" <bdoty at eqtc.com> wrote:
>OK, what party within the Perl community went and opened a mortgage
>broker?
>
>http://www.perlmortgage.com/bankrate/landing/index2.html
>

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu May 20 14:13:34 2010
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PERL mortgage
In-Reply-To: <146656751960436463536239295444272123603-Webmail@me.com>
	(Elizabeth Cortell's message of "Thu, 20 May 2010 14:00:52 -0700")
References: <mailman.9.1274209229.19250.chicago-talk@pm.org>
	<1274370716.11062.119.camel@bdoty01.eqtc.local>
	<146656751960436463536239295444272123603-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <86k4qyi8e9.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Elizabeth" == Elizabeth Cortell <zrusilla at mac.com> writes:

Elizabeth> Is it located next to Cafe Perl?
Elizabeth> http://www.cafeperl.com/


Or has it made any donations to PERLofBurlington.org ?

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion

From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Thu May 20 14:18:33 2010
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:18:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PERL mortgage
In-Reply-To: <146656751960436463536239295444272123603-Webmail@me.com>
References: <mailman.9.1274209229.19250.chicago-talk@pm.org>	<1274370716.11062.119.camel@bdoty01.eqtc.local>
	<146656751960436463536239295444272123603-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <OFD5586399.3DB82AE6-ON86257729.0074DDE3-86257729.00750DD3@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

> Is it located next to Cafe Perl?
http://www.cafeperl.com/

Probably, as when you go to:
http://www.cafeperl.com/infos.php

you see:
Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for user 
'cafeperl.com'@'88.191.253.148' (using password: YES) in log.inc.php on 
line 7
Warning: mysql_select_db(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link 
resource in log.inc.php on line 8
Warning: mysql_db_query(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link 
resource in infos.php on line 4
Warning: mysql_numrows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result 
resource in infos.php on line 5
Warning: mysql_result(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result 
resource in infos.php on line 7
Warning: mysql_result(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result 
resource in infos.php on line 8
Warning: mysql_db_query(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link 
resource in infos.php on line 10
Warning: mysql_numrows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result 
resource in infos.php on line 11 
Warning: mysql_result(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result 
resource in infos.php on line 93
Warning: mysql_result(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result 
resource in infos.php on line 94
Warning: getimagesize() [function.getimagesize]: Read error! in infos.php 
on line 95 


----------------------
Andy Bach
Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
Voice: (608) 261-5738; 
Cell: (608) 658-1890

Ducharme's Axiom: 
If you view your problem closely enough you 
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From Darren.Young at chicagobooth.edu  Thu May 20 14:24:06 2010
From: Darren.Young at chicagobooth.edu (Young, Darren)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:24:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PERL mortgage
In-Reply-To: <OFD5586399.3DB82AE6-ON86257729.0074DDE3-86257729.00750DD3@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <mailman.9.1274209229.19250.chicago-talk@pm.org>	<1274370716.11062.119.camel@bdoty01.eqtc.local><146656751960436463536239295444272123603-Webmail@me.com>
	<OFD5586399.3DB82AE6-ON86257729.0074DDE3-86257729.00750DD3@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D7062AB69D@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu>

> Probably, as when you go to: 
> http://www.cafeperl.com/infos.php 
> 
> you see: 
> Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for
user 'cafeperl.com'@'88.191.253.148' >(using password: YES) in
log.inc.php on line 7
> Warning: mysql_select_db(): supplied argument is not a valid
MySQL-Link resource in log.inc.php on line 8
> Warning: mysql_db_query(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link
resource in infos.php on line 4
> Warning: mysql_numrows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL
result resource in infos.php on line 5
> Warning: mysql_result(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result
resource in infos.php on line 7
> Warning: mysql_result(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result
resource in infos.php on line 8
> Warning: mysql_db_query(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link
resource in infos.php on line 10
> Warning: mysql_numrows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL
result resource in infos.php on line 11 
> Warning: mysql_result(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result
resource in infos.php on line 93
> Warning: mysql_result(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result
resource in infos.php on line 94
> Warning: getimagesize() [function.getimagesize]: Read error! in
infos.php on line 95 

I knew it. PHP does in fact have it in for Perl.

From me at heyjay.com  Thu May 20 18:52:39 2010
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 20:52:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PERL mortgage
In-Reply-To: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D7062AB69D@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu>
References: <mailman.9.1274209229.19250.chicago-talk@pm.org>
	<1274370716.11062.119.camel@bdoty01.eqtc.local>
	<146656751960436463536239295444272123603-Webmail@me.com>
	<OFD5586399.3DB82AE6-ON86257729.0074DDE3-86257729.00750DD3@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
	<07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D7062AB69D@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimuQ5jQ2wNr9KYuXNi4aV40FeJ-I42Yk9_g3FuR@mail.gmail.com>

While I know the OP was just joking around.  But I believe the founder's
last name is Perlmutter.

Jay
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From lembark at wrkhors.com  Fri May 21 10:31:17 2010
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:31:17 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Random first numbers
In-Reply-To: <4BF1D16F.9050707@alanmead.org>
References: <4BF1B436.6020409@alanmead.org> <4BF1CEF4.7070601@serenevy.net>
	<4BF1D16F.9050707@alanmead.org>
Message-ID: <20100521133117.43ec1d5elembark@wrkhors.com@wrkhors.com>

On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:29:51 -0500
Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org> wrote:

> Dean Serenevy wrote:
> > On 05/17/2010 05:25 PM, Alan Mead wrote:
> >   
> >> Assuming that shuffle() is not the culprit, I think it's just that when
> >>     
> >
> > Bad assumption. That is not the Fisher-Yates shuffle. Try this (from perlfaq):
> >
> > sub shuffle {
> >   my $n = @_;
> >   while (--$n) {
> >     my $j = int rand ($n+1);
> >     @_[$n,$j] = @_[$j,$n];
> >   }
> > }
> >
> >   
> 
> Under light testing, this seems much better.  Thanks!

sub shuffle
{
    map { splice @_, rand @_, 1 } ( 1 .. @_ )
}


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Workhorse Computing                                 Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Tue May 25 11:18:51 2010
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:18:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Rock Bottom tonight,
	with real copies of Effective Perl Programming
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxEHDcdqaEjRHqFcYihJ9DrelG51HaP_2Hajtr@mail.gmail.com>

It's a nice day and it's a Tuesday, so I'm guessing the roof patio at
Rock Bottom won't be insane like last time. Come out and have a drink
with us at 7ish.

Josh and I have copies of Effective Perl Programming. Some of you
helped with the book so I have your free (signed) copy now. You can
pick it up at Rock Bottom (and I'll buy you a drink :).

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Tue May 25 12:51:35 2010
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:51:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Rock Bottom tonight,
	with real copies of Effective Perl Programming
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikxEHDcdqaEjRHqFcYihJ9DrelG51HaP_2Hajtr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikxEHDcdqaEjRHqFcYihJ9DrelG51HaP_2Hajtr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D20E8AF6-D732-4DE6-8D91-693C18BAF52F@mindspring.com>

Damn.  

I was a the Restaurant Show.

May have a customer for an iPhone app.


On May 25, 2010, at 1:18 PM, brian d foy wrote:

> It's a nice day and it's a Tuesday, so I'm guessing the roof patio at
> Rock Bottom won't be insane like last time. Come out and have a drink
> with us at 7ish.
> 
> Josh and I have copies of Effective Perl Programming. Some of you
> helped with the book so I have your free (signed) copy now. You can
> pick it up at Rock Bottom (and I'll buy you a drink :).
> 
> -- 
> brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
> http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk


From sean at blanton.com  Thu May 27 06:43:05 2010
From: sean at blanton.com (Sean Blanton)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:43:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Rock Bottom tonight,
	with real copies of Effective 	Perl Programming
In-Reply-To: <D20E8AF6-D732-4DE6-8D91-693C18BAF52F@mindspring.com>
References: <AANLkTikxEHDcdqaEjRHqFcYihJ9DrelG51HaP_2Hajtr@mail.gmail.com> 
	<D20E8AF6-D732-4DE6-8D91-693C18BAF52F@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilGPNWxNGhsgYBEjFdEUQoFjrvskLVN1FkJf261@mail.gmail.com>

I'll look forward to the next get together. Missed the last several...

Sean




On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Hal Wigoda <hwigoda at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Damn.
>
> I was a the Restaurant Show.
>
> May have a customer for an iPhone app.
>
>
> On May 25, 2010, at 1:18 PM, brian d foy wrote:
>
> > It's a nice day and it's a Tuesday, so I'm guessing the roof patio at
> > Rock Bottom won't be insane like last time. Come out and have a drink
> > with us at 7ish.
> >
> > Josh and I have copies of Effective Perl Programming. Some of you
> > helped with the book so I have your free (signed) copy now. You can
> > pick it up at Rock Bottom (and I'll buy you a drink :).
> >
> > --
> > brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
> > http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
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