From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Fri Jan  1 03:19:57 2010
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (hwigoda at mindspring.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 05:19:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] I'm back
Message-ID: <11734101.1262344797155.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Wait till the second full week...

h

-----Original Message-----
>From: Joshua <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 30, 2009 10:37 PM
>To: "Chicago.pm chatter" <chicago-talk at pm.org>, windycity-pm <windycity-pm at pm.org>
>Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] I'm back
>
>I think the lack of response confirms that not much (probably due to
>the holidays) should be the answer :)
>
>How about a January meeting?  I'm up for it.  Anyone have an
>interesting topic of discussion for a tech meeting.  If not, we might
>just do a nice bar meetup.
>
>On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Brad Doty <bdoty at eqtc.com> wrote:
>> So what's going on in the world of Perl and Chicago PM lately?
>>
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From drench+chipm at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 07:15:52 2010
From: drench+chipm at gmail.com (Dan Rench)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:15:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] regular expression help
In-Reply-To: <20091230175844.956B03CB8@courageux.xo.com>
References: <20091230175844.956B03CB8@courageux.xo.com>
Message-ID: <e94f934d1001050715l851c31dha71078c477412790@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Richard Reina
<richard at rushlogistics.com> wrote:
> ?[...]
> Perhaps there's a better way of doing this?

Are you using Thunderbird 3? If you are, there should be an sqlite3
database file called 'global-messages-db.sqlite' in the root of your
profile directory that could be useful. Just as an example, using
DBD::SQLite, you could get the text of your messages with "could not
be delivered" with a query like:

    select c1body from messagesText_content where c1body like '%could
not be delivered%'

Drifting off-topic: has anyone here tried to get mozrepl [*] working
with Thunderbird? This could be another way to do it (but through
javascript, not Perl).

[*] http://wiki.github.com/bard/mozrepl/tutorial

From andrewdo at frdcsa.org  Fri Jan 15 18:47:44 2010
From: andrewdo at frdcsa.org (Andrew Dougherty)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:47:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Module naming conventions
Message-ID: <20100115.204744.176659676.andrewdo@frdcsa.org>

I'm getting ready to upload all my modules to CPAN.  There are
certainly over a thousand of them, I'm not quite sure.  Rather than
try to figure out what to rename everything to, I plan on just
uploading to Org::FRDCSA:: and Org::POSIthon::.  Can anyone help me
through requesting the namespace, and other steps?

Thanks,

Andy

Ps.  I'll be in Chicago tomorrow if anyone would like to meet to do
this.

From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Sat Jan 16 02:03:08 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:03:08 +0200
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Module naming conventions
In-Reply-To: <20100115.204744.176659676.andrewdo@frdcsa.org>
References: <20100115.204744.176659676.andrewdo@frdcsa.org>
Message-ID: <201001161203.09032.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

Hi Andrew!

On Saturday 16 Jan 2010 04:47:44 Andrew Dougherty wrote:
> I'm getting ready to upload all my modules to CPAN.  There are
> certainly over a thousand of them, I'm not quite sure.  Rather than
> try to figure out what to rename everything to, I plan on just
> uploading to Org::FRDCSA:: and Org::POSIthon::.  

Please don't. You should put it under descriptive names under good namespaces, 
so they'll have less namespace baggage, be easier to remember and easier to 
find.

> Can anyone help me
> through requesting the namespace, and other steps?
> 

You don't need to request a namespace. Just upload the CPAN distribution and 
PAUSE will index your Perl packages. None of the namespaces I requested have 
been granted yet (though I've inherited a few) and I survived and can still 
upload new packages. Regarding the rest of the steps, I've started writing 
about it here:

http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Newbies/lecture5/

And you may be able to find other information with web-searching. There is 
this book, which is available for free download:

http://www.apress.com/book/view/159059018X

It's a bit outdated, though, but may still be good enough.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

> Thanks,
> 
> Andy
> 
> Ps.  I'll be in Chicago tomorrow if anyone would like to meet to do
> this.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk

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-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Interview with Ben Collins-Sussman - http://shlom.in/sussman

Bzr is slower than Subversion in combination with Sourceforge. 
( By: http://dazjorz.com/ )

From Darren.Young at chicagobooth.edu  Tue Jan 19 08:36:20 2010
From: Darren.Young at chicagobooth.edu (Young, Darren)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:36:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl-ad-manager
Message-ID: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D7055678D0@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu>

I'm in the process of creating an all Perl/LDAP based AD management set
of libraries and scripts and am looking for any assistance in
development and/or testing it. Our overall goal has been to have a
toolset that can be used from UNIX/Linux to manage AD based objects.
Things like provisioning, deprovisioning, password changes/resets,
Exchange mailbox and email address management.

The set I'll be publishing will be based on our internal account
management toolkit that we've been developing and running in production
for the past 7 or so years.

If you're interested, it's hosted at Google code here:
http://code.google.com/p/perl-ad-manager/

Any help with design, development or testing would be greatly
appreciated.

Darren Young
Systems & Security Architect
Computing Services
University of Chicago
Booth School of Business
5807 South Woodlawn Avenue
Chicago, IL 60637
Voice 773.702.0331 | Fax 773.702.0233



From joel.limardo at forwardphase.com  Tue Jan 19 10:02:24 2010
From: joel.limardo at forwardphase.com (Joel Limardo)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:02:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl-ad-manager
In-Reply-To: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D7055678D0@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu>
References: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D7055678D0@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <001501ca9931$90529960$b0f7cc20$@limardo@forwardphase.com>

Perhaps you should send out a post when you are doing pushing the files up
to the server. I just downloaded some empty folders. 


-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-talk-bounces+joel.limardo=forwardphase.com at pm.org
[mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+joel.limardo=forwardphase.com at pm.org] On Behalf
Of Young, Darren
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:36 AM
To: Chicago.pm chatter
Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl-ad-manager

I'm in the process of creating an all Perl/LDAP based AD management set
of libraries and scripts and am looking for any assistance in
development and/or testing it. Our overall goal has been to have a
toolset that can be used from UNIX/Linux to manage AD based objects.
Things like provisioning, deprovisioning, password changes/resets,
Exchange mailbox and email address management.

The set I'll be publishing will be based on our internal account
management toolkit that we've been developing and running in production
for the past 7 or so years.

If you're interested, it's hosted at Google code here:
http://code.google.com/p/perl-ad-manager/

Any help with design, development or testing would be greatly
appreciated.

Darren Young
Systems & Security Architect
Computing Services
University of Chicago
Booth School of Business
5807 South Woodlawn Avenue
Chicago, IL 60637
Voice 773.702.0331 | Fax 773.702.0233


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From darren.young at chicagobooth.edu  Tue Jan 19 10:15:05 2010
From: darren.young at chicagobooth.edu (Young, Darren)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:15:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl-ad-manager
In-Reply-To: <001501ca9931$90529960$b0f7cc20$%limardo@forwardphase.com>
References: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D7055678D0@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<001501ca9931$90529960$b0f7cc20$%limardo@forwardphase.com>
Message-ID: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D705567A8C@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu>

Yes, will do on that. I solicited early to see if there was any interest
in the design phase (repo layout, doc standards, etc).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicago-talk-bounces+darren.young=chicagobooth.edu at pm.org
> [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+darren.young=chicagobooth.edu at pm.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Limardo
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:02 PM
> To: 'Chicago.pm chatter'
> Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] perl-ad-manager
> 
> Perhaps you should send out a post when you are doing pushing the
files
> up
> to the server. I just downloaded some empty folders.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicago-talk-bounces+joel.limardo=forwardphase.com at pm.org
> [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+joel.limardo=forwardphase.com at pm.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Young, Darren
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:36 AM
> To: Chicago.pm chatter
> Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl-ad-manager
> 
> I'm in the process of creating an all Perl/LDAP based AD management
set
> of libraries and scripts and am looking for any assistance in
> development and/or testing it. Our overall goal has been to have a
> toolset that can be used from UNIX/Linux to manage AD based objects.
> Things like provisioning, deprovisioning, password changes/resets,
> Exchange mailbox and email address management.
> 
> The set I'll be publishing will be based on our internal account
> management toolkit that we've been developing and running in
production
> for the past 7 or so years.
> 
> If you're interested, it's hosted at Google code here:
> http://code.google.com/p/perl-ad-manager/
> 
> Any help with design, development or testing would be greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> Darren Young
> Systems & Security Architect
> Computing Services
> University of Chicago
> Booth School of Business
> 5807 South Woodlawn Avenue
> Chicago, IL 60637
> Voice 773.702.0331 | Fax 773.702.0233
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 
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From pcmantz at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 18:39:55 2010
From: pcmantz at gmail.com (Paul Mantz)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:39:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Jan. PS:1 Hackathon
In-Reply-To: <a4254efb1001191821y504655acx51d8d5a9dbf01eff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a4254efb1001191821y504655acx51d8d5a9dbf01eff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42f28fe1001191839s37631f90o82b4bbcd3d17a82c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,

Just a friendly reminder that Pumping Station: One, the Chicago
hackerspace, will hold our Quiet Riot Hackathon this Saturday (Jan.
23rd).

We hold two hackathons a month on the 3rd and 4th Saturdays of every
month. The first one is meant for louder work, such as small
construction. At the quiet riot hackathon, we'll be keeping the power
tools off so that people can concentrate on coding, and other
mind-intensive activities. So far, we've had a wide berth of projects,
from Perl and Python development to emacs modes to web design to
driver development.

Everyone's welcome to come to both. They both start at 8pm, and will
go on as long as the Red Bull floweth.

Pumping Station: One is located at 3354 N. Elston, Chicago, IL. If the
door is locked, ring the bell.

See http://pumpingstationone.org/ for more information about the
hackathons or the space.

Thanks,

-- 
Paul Mantz
Vice President, Pumping Station: One

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 19:46:21 2010
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:46:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Monks Tuesday January 26th?
Message-ID: <49d805d71001241946v5b6f63f8s13f9f56b362d2b1@mail.gmail.com>

I blew it on planning a tech meeting this month. Nola suggested a
Monks meetup instead? How about this Tuesday around 6 or 7? Any
preferences?

From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Sun Jan 24 22:35:08 2010
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:35:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Monks Tuesday January 26th?
In-Reply-To: <49d805d71001241946v5b6f63f8s13f9f56b362d2b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d71001241946v5b6f63f8s13f9f56b362d2b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9455C15E-B8FB-4EE6-9266-349BC0A34281@mindspring.com>

There's a UniForum meeting in Wheaton.

Separating Yourself from the Crowd in a Tight Job Market

                             Mike Fralic

              Tuesday, January 26th, 2010, 7:00-9:00pm
Illinois Institute of Technology, Rice Campus, Wheaton, IL, Room 103

Abstract
--------
Are you unemployed, underemployed, not happily employed or worried
about keeping your job during these difficult economic times? Do you
need a job search/career transition plan in case you should lose your
job in the near future? Mike Fralic will be discussing his insights from
a sales and marketing perspective on how to get noticed.  This includes
what and how you should showcase preparing the resume, conducting the
interview and follow up.

Speaker Bio
-----------
Mike Fralic's 26 year professional career includes being an officer in
the United States Marine Corps, and a variety of sales and marketing
positions including his most recent position as VP Sales & Marketing of
Lyons Workspace of Montgomery, IL.

Getting There
-------------
The next meeting of UniForum Chicago will be from 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm
on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 at the Illinois Institute of Technology
Rice campus.  The address of the meeting facility is:

        IIT's Rice Campus
        Room 103
        201 East Loop Road,
        Wheaton, Illinois 60187

Take I-88 west to the Naperville Road exit (Note: this exit was recently
reconfigured).  Turn right at the stoplight from the exit ramp going North
on Freedom Drive.  Turn right again at the next stoplight (which is only a
few hundred feet away) going East on Warrenville Road.  Move immediately
into the left lane and turn left (North) at the next stoplight, which
is Naperville Road.  Go North on Naperville Road to Butterfield/Rt. 56.
Turn right on Butterfield and proceed East to the next stoplight East
(East Loop Road).  Turn north onto East Loop Road (Big Bowl/Cozymel's
Restaurants and Phillip's 66 Gas Station on the corners); the campus
will be on your right about a block north of Butterfield Road.  Park in
the student parking lot behind the building.  Room 103 is the first
room inside the north entrance.

More detailed directions and maps are available at:

        http://www.rice.iit.edu/directions.html
        http://www.rice.iit.edu/floorplan.html

All UniForum Chicago general meetings are open to the public free of charge.

For additional information contact president at uniforum.chi.il.us, or visit
the UniForum Chicago web site at:
	http://www.uniforum.chi.il.us/
On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:46 PM, Joshua wrote:

> I blew it on planning a tech meeting this month. Nola suggested a
> Monks meetup instead? How about this Tuesday around 6 or 7? Any
> preferences?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk

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From fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 08:47:12 2010
From: fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com (packet)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:47:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] threading Question
Message-ID: <4B5DCB10.6040804@gmail.com>

Does it matter if you have 1 cpu or 4 cpu for programming threads in 
perl and why?


I got 1 cpu on the laptop and 4 cpu on my desktop.Just want to know this 
been bugging me for  abit.:)

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 19:13:20 2010
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:13:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm]  Monks Tuesday January 26th?
In-Reply-To: <69d143cd1001250732n278cd20ftbcf6f23f15a45e0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d71001241946v5b6f63f8s13f9f56b362d2b1@mail.gmail.com>
	<87k4v6iuzo.fsf@snowball2.jrock.us>
	<2715accf1001242203xb6bd662ucf00de6456320a75@mail.gmail.com>
	<69d143cd1001250732n278cd20ftbcf6f23f15a45e0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d71001251913w41a2b3f3o6f8f6a9a2acceeea@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like enough for a social outing!  Monks Pub, 6pm, Tuesday February 26th.

205 West Lake Street
http://www.mmonks.com/

2010/1/25 Jeremy Wall <jeremy at marzhillstudios.com>:
> +1 for monks tuesday
>
> On Jan 25, 2010 12:04 AM, "brian d foy" <brian.d.foy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us> wrote: >
> Anytime is fine with me....
>
> 6pm Tuesday at Monks works for me.
>
>
> --
> brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
> http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
>
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From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Mon Jan 25 19:42:42 2010
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:42:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm]  Monks Tuesday January 26th?
In-Reply-To: <49d805d71001251913w41a2b3f3o6f8f6a9a2acceeea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d71001241946v5b6f63f8s13f9f56b362d2b1@mail.gmail.com>
	<87k4v6iuzo.fsf@snowball2.jrock.us>
	<2715accf1001242203xb6bd662ucf00de6456320a75@mail.gmail.com>
	<69d143cd1001250732n278cd20ftbcf6f23f15a45e0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49d805d71001251913w41a2b3f3o6f8f6a9a2acceeea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5EA7AB87-87AC-4D63-97D1-01DB61983D9B@mindspring.com>

Feb or January?

On Jan 25, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Joshua wrote:

> Sounds like enough for a social outing!  Monks Pub, 6pm, Tuesday February 26th.
> 
> 205 West Lake Street
> http://www.mmonks.com/
> 
> 2010/1/25 Jeremy Wall <jeremy at marzhillstudios.com>:
>> +1 for monks tuesday
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2010 12:04 AM, "brian d foy" <brian.d.foy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us> wrote: >
>> Anytime is fine with me....
>> 
>> 6pm Tuesday at Monks works for me.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
>> http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ WindyCity-pm mailing list
>> WindyCity-pm at pm.org http:/...
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> WindyCity-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/windycity-pm
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>> 
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From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 20:32:12 2010
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:32:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm]  Monks Tuesday January 26th?
In-Reply-To: <43e95381001252027n5a35e225q7969ba10f3b23273@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d71001241946v5b6f63f8s13f9f56b362d2b1@mail.gmail.com>
	<87k4v6iuzo.fsf@snowball2.jrock.us>
	<2715accf1001242203xb6bd662ucf00de6456320a75@mail.gmail.com>
	<69d143cd1001250732n278cd20ftbcf6f23f15a45e0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49d805d71001251913w41a2b3f3o6f8f6a9a2acceeea@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95381001252027n5a35e225q7969ba10f3b23273@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d71001252032t1deaebbcjbcdb2efd367d4d7e@mail.gmail.com>

Doh, I never can get the dates straight.... TOMORROW! Jan 26th :)

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> umm ... feburary??? no fair skipping months!! :)
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Joshua <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like enough for a social outing! ?Monks Pub, 6pm, Tuesday February
>> 26th.
>>
>> 205 West Lake Street
>> http://www.mmonks.com/
>>
>> 2010/1/25 Jeremy Wall <jeremy at marzhillstudios.com>:
>> > +1 for monks tuesday
>> >
>> > On Jan 25, 2010 12:04 AM, "brian d foy" <brian.d.foy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us> wrote:
>> > >
>> > Anytime is fine with me....
>> >
>> > 6pm Tuesday at Monks works for me.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
>> > http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________ WindyCity-pm mailing
>> > list
>> > WindyCity-pm at pm.org http:/...
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > WindyCity-pm mailing list
>> > WindyCity-pm at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/windycity-pm
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>> WindyCity-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/windycity-pm
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
>

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Wed Jan 27 09:11:58 2010
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:11:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] threading Question
In-Reply-To: <4B5DCB10.6040804@gmail.com>
References: <4B5DCB10.6040804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100127121158.5a7e9af6lembark@wrkhors.com@wrkhors.com>

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:47:12 -0600
packet <fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does it matter if you have 1 cpu or 4 cpu for programming threads in 
> perl and why?
> 
> 
> I got 1 cpu on the laptop and 4 cpu on my desktop.Just want to know this 
> been bugging me for  abit.:)

Theading with a single CPU is occasionally 
useful, mainly if you can use up more of a
timeslice before blocking, say on a some
scheduled I/O. 

Aside from that, threading on a single CPU
doesn't really add much -- aside from headaches
and slowdowns from synch-ing the threads.

-- 
Steven Lembark                                            85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing                                 Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 20:43:31 2010
From: fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com (packet)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:43:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] threading Question
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Steven Lembark wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:47:12 -0600
> packet <fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Does it matter if you have 1 cpu or 4 cpu for programming threads in 
>> perl and why?
>>
>>
>> I got 1 cpu on the laptop and 4 cpu on my desktop.Just want to know this 
>> been bugging me for  abit.:)
>>     
>
> Theading with a single CPU is occasionally 
> useful, mainly if you can use up more of a
> timeslice before blocking, say on a some
> scheduled I/O. 
>
> Aside from that, threading on a single CPU
> doesn't really add much -- aside from headaches
> and slowdowns from synch-ing the threads.
>
>   
So your saying i won't have a prob programming on one cpu.And i want to 
know what i can do in perl with a one cpu.I don't want to slow down my 
compile time.

I just new to perl.:)

From jon-chicagotalk at jrock.us  Fri Jan 29 22:52:22 2010
From: jon-chicagotalk at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:52:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] threading Question
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	2010 22:43:31 -0600")
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Message-ID: <871vh8dqzd.fsf@snowball2.jrock.us>

* On Wed, Jan 27 2010, packet wrote:

> So your saying i won't have a prob programming on one cpu.And i want
> to know what i can do in perl with a one cpu.I don't want to slow down
> my compile time.

I have a 4 core machine.  With one core, the Moose test suite runs in
about a minute.  With 8 threads (4 + HT), it runs in 7 seconds.

CPAN installs happen before I am done pressing enter.

Modern hardware is really quite nice for your productivity.

To reply to some of the other commentary on this thread; Perl only has
one real threading library - Coro, and it can only use one OS thread
(but happily scales to a 100000 Coro threads).  It's good for IO-intense
activities; if you are a large company's IMAP server, it's likely that
you have a few thousands connections open for "push email".  Most of the
time, the sockets are idle, and so one OS thread is easily enough
compute power for the application.  The hard part is keeping the state
of 10,000+ TCP connections; that's what Coro does for you.  You create a
thread when someone connects, and then that thread "runs" when
necessary.  When it's blocked on IO (99.99% of the time), the other
threads run.

Finally, Perl's ithreads are a not-so-hilarious joke; never use them.

If you need your Perl programs to run in parallel, just split your data
into n sets and run n processes.  Easy.  (And if your Perl is slow,
realize that making it run on 2 cores makes it MAYBE 2x faster at best,
but rewriting the critical sections in a faster language like Haskell
can make it run 50x faster.)

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

--
print just => another => perl => hacker => if $,=$"

From fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 06:47:48 2010
From: fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com (packet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:47:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] threading Question
In-Reply-To: <871vh8dqzd.fsf@snowball2.jrock.us>
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	<871vh8dqzd.fsf@snowball2.jrock.us>
Message-ID: <4B644694.6080401@gmail.com>

Jonathan Rockway wrote:
> * On Wed, Jan 27 2010, packet wrote:
>
>   
>> So your saying i won't have a prob programming on one cpu.And i want
>> to know what i can do in perl with a one cpu.I don't want to slow down
>> my compile time.
>>     
>
> I have a 4 core machine.  With one core, the Moose test suite runs in
> about a minute.  With 8 threads (4 + HT), it runs in 7 seconds.
>
> CPAN installs happen before I am done pressing enter.
>
> Modern hardware is really quite nice for your productivity.
>
> To reply to some of the other commentary on this thread; Perl only has
> one real threading library - Coro, and it can only use one OS thread
> (but happily scales to a 100000 Coro threads).  It's good for IO-intense
> activities; if you are a large company's IMAP server, it's likely that
> you have a few thousands connections open for "push email".  Most of the
> time, the sockets are idle, and so one OS thread is easily enough
> compute power for the application.  The hard part is keeping the state
> of 10,000+ TCP connections; that's what Coro does for you.  You create a
> thread when someone connects, and then that thread "runs" when
> necessary.  When it's blocked on IO (99.99% of the time), the other
> threads run.
>
> Finally, Perl's ithreads are a not-so-hilarious joke; never use them.
>
> If you need your Perl programs to run in parallel, just split your data
> into n sets and run n processes.  Easy.  (And if your Perl is slow,
> realize that making it run on 2 cores makes it MAYBE 2x faster at best,
> but rewriting the critical sections in a faster language like Haskell
> can make it run 50x faster.)
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan Rockway
>
> --
> print just => another => perl => hacker => if $,=$"
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> Looklike i have better luck with my duo core 2 cpu with perl.:)

thanks for the help.