From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Sun Jul  1 02:30:54 2007
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:30:54 +0300
Subject: [Chicago-talk] I've moved the wiki again
In-Reply-To: <BA1D09E0-3A4A-47EF-A3D0-70EA3DB77E1E@petdance.com>
References: <BA1D09E0-3A4A-47EF-A3D0-70EA3DB77E1E@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <200707011230.55417.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

Hi all.

On Sunday 01 July 2007, Andy Lester wrote:
> I moved the wiki that used to be at rakudo.org/chicago-pm to its new
> home, http://chicago.pm.org/wiki/.  It's also now running MediaWiki,
> which is the same package that Wikipedia runs.
>

Added here:

http://perl.net.au/wiki/List_of_all_known_Perl_Wikis

If you are aware of any other Perl wikis, feel free to add them there as well.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  3 10:53:44 2007
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:53:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Locating text in a PDF
Message-ID: <666159.73852.qm@web58703.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hello Jay,

Have you figured out how to look for a specific string? I have just skimmed through PDF::Parser, PDF::Extract and PDF::Xtract without finding any good clues.

Ge

----- Original Message ----
From: Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com>
To: Chicago.pm chatter <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 5:29:01 PM
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Locating text in a PDF

Once I have opened a PDF using PDF::API2

How would I examine the text on a page looking for a specific string?

Thanks
Jay
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From mongers at bsod.net  Tue Jul  3 11:58:03 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:58:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] July 10, 2007: WWW::Mechanize / Andy Lester
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707031352130.17507@steward.bsod.net>

                    Chicago Perl Mongers Meeting Announcement
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Topic: WWW::Mechanize
   Presenter: Andy Lester
   Date/Time: July 10, 2007, 7:00 PM CDT
    Location: IIT Rice Campus, Room 103, 201 East Loop Rd, Wheaton, IL
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Andy Lester will be presenting on WWW::Mechanize.  This will be a 
tutorial-style interactive presentation, illustrating how to write programs and 
tests that interact with web-based services.

Andy Lester is the author of WWW::Mechanize.  He is also the leader of the 
Chicago Perl Mongers, and there are few things he enjoys more than talking 
about Perl. Now in his 3rd decade of professional programming, Andy works for 
Follett Library Resources in McHenry, IL.


As with all Chicago Perl Mongers meetings, everyone is welcome,
whether or not you consider yourself a member. We look forward to
seeing you there!

Questions about this meeting?  Ask on the chicago-talk at pm.org mailing 
list, or send email to andy at petdance dot com.  You can also see a list 
of past and upcoming meetings at http://chicago.pm.org/meetings/.

-Pete K
--
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     Chicago Perl Mongers
     mongers at bsod dot net

From mongers at bsod.net  Tue Jul  3 12:10:52 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:10:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] July 31, 2007: Lightning Talks and Perl::Critic
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707031358070.17507@steward.bsod.net>

                    Chicago Perl Mongers Meeting Announcement
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Topic: Lightning Talks and Perl::Critic
   Presenter: You!, Josh McAdams
   Date/Time: Tuesday, July 31, 2007, 7:00 PM CDT
    Location: Performics, 12th Floor, 180 N. LaSalle, Chicago, IL
        RSVP: By 12:00 PM CDT the day of at pkrawczyk at doubleclick dot com
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please note that this meeting is one week later than normally scheduled! 
RSVPs are also required for this meeting.

This meeting will start with Lightning Talks, and if there is time
remaining, Josh McAdams will present a tutorial on writing policies for 
Perl::Critic.

If you are interested in doing a lightning talk, please pre-register for a 
five minute slot by sending an email to the RSVP address above.  You can 
also sign up for a presentation slot at the meeting, if any are left.  We 
will announce any pre-registered talks before the meeting.


Lightning Talks are 5-minute talks, given on any subject you can think of. 
Here's somewhere to look for ideas:

     http://perl.plover.com/lt/lightning-talks.html

We are also looking for lightning talks about what you learned at a recent 
conference, such as YAPC or OSCON; interesting projects or problems you've 
recently worked on; new technology you've recently discovered; or 
questions you'd like to present in front of a group of your peers.

Lightning talks rely on YOU getting up there and doing your five minutes
in the spotlight.  It's a GREAT way for people who have never spoken
before to get out there and get their feet wet.  From MJD's page:

     Maybe you've never given a talk before, and you'd like to start small.
     For a Lightning Talk, you don't need to make slides, and if you do
     decide to make slides, you only need to make three.

     Maybe you're nervous and you're afraid you'll mess up. It's a lot
     easier to plan and deliver a five minute talk than it is to deliver
     a long talk. And if you do mess up, at least the painful part will
     be over quickly.

     Maybe you don't have much to say. Maybe you just want to ask a
     question, or invite people to help you with your project, or boast
     about something you did, or tell a short cautionary story. These
     things are all interesting and worth talking about, but there might
     not be enough to say about them to fill up thirty minutes.

Lightning talks also don't require slides, charts or graphs.  If you do 
want to use them, however, please be mindful of the five minute limit - 
you'll probably only get to cover three slides or so.


As with all Chicago Perl Mongers meetings, everyone is welcome,
whether or not you consider yourself a member. We look forward to
seeing you there!

Questions about this meeting?  Ask on the chicago-talk at pm.org mailing
list, or send email to andy at petdance dot com.  You can also see a list
of past and upcoming meetings at http://chicago.pm.org/meetings/.

-Pete K
--
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      Chicago Perl Mongers
      mongers at bsod dot net

From mongers at bsod.net  Tue Jul  3 12:36:36 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:36:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Wiki list of members
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707031427380.17507@steward.bsod.net>

With Andy changing everything from the Socialtext wiki to the new 
MediaWiki, the list of members got quashed.  Could everyone who considers 
themselves a member of Chicago.pm take a moment to put themselves on the 
new wiki's membership list?

Please do the following:

  1. Create yourself an account at
     http://chicago.pm.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Membership_list

  2. Click on the "Membership list" link after you create your account and
     add your name to the list.  Please add your link in this format:

     [[User:Sachmet|Pete Krawczyk]]

     Except, in place of "Sachmet", use your login name, and in place of
     "Pete Krawczyk", use your name.  We only need one of me.

  3. Click on your link and add any information you wish to share about
     yourself.

  4. Go to the main page by clicking on the camel logo.  In the bottom,
     where it says "Create a new page", enter your name in the box and
     press the "Create Page" button.

  5. On the resulting page, enter the following text:

     #REDIRECT [[User:Sachmet]]

     Instead of "Sachmet", though, please use your login name again.

That's it!

Thanks,
-Pete K
-- 
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     Chicago Perl Mongers
     mongers at bsod dot net

From andy at petdance.com  Tue Jul  3 13:01:15 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:01:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Wiki list of members
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707031427380.17507@steward.bsod.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707031427380.17507@steward.bsod.net>
Message-ID: <D5C85C47-84C2-41C7-AF1F-FBB9A72B9965@petdance.com>


On Jul 3, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Pete Krawczyk wrote:

> With Andy changing everything from the Socialtext wiki to the new
> MediaWiki, the list of members got quashed.

I consider this a feature.  The soil of liberty must occassionally be  
nourished by the blood of rebuilds or something like that.

Thanks for the writeup.

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From dontyoumonkeywiththemonkey at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 22:18:28 2007
From: dontyoumonkeywiththemonkey at gmail.com (Elias Lutfallah)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 00:18:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Locating text in a PDF
In-Reply-To: <666159.73852.qm@web58703.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <666159.73852.qm@web58703.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eeff948e0707032218n395d52bbkd68e63ae34c49804@mail.gmail.com>

All the modules mentioned are for creating, manipulating, and adding to
PDFs. What you'll probably want to do is use pdf2ps to convert the PDF into
Postscript. Then you should be able to parse for the text. However, if the
text is actually an image in the PDF this won't work either. Then you'd need
some kind of OCR software.

I've had pretty good luck with this method when I needed to modify a PDF
that I didn't create myself. Convert to ps, modify it with any text editor,
convert it back to PDF. Almost always ends up exactly like the original
except for my change.

There's also pdftotext (part of Xpdf), but I haven't used it. I've needed to
maintain the original PDF, this looks like it just extracts any text in a
PDF.

Good luck, but since this is from March 30, I hope that you figured out a
way to do what you needed already.

On 7/3/07, tiger peng <tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Have you figured out how to look for a specific string? I have just
> skimmed through PDF::Parser, PDF::Extract and PDF::Xtract without finding
> any good clues.
>
> Ge
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jay Strauss < me at heyjay.com>
> To: Chicago.pm chatter < chicago-talk at pm.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 5:29:01 PM
> Subject: [Chicago-talk] Locating text in a PDF
>
> Once I have opened a PDF using PDF::API2
>
> How would I examine the text on a page looking for a specific string?
>
> Thanks
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
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From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 01:38:20 2007
From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig Petty)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 01:38:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] cpan prob
Message-ID: <481426.24174.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



I start to install cpan when i got this this one
package i get this error.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
t/client.t   255 65280    10   14  4-10
2 tests skipped.
Failed 1/5 test scripts. 7/181 subtests failed.
Files=5, Tests=181,  2 wallclock secs ( 0.89 cusr + 
0.33 csys =  1.22 CPU)
Failed 1/5 test programs. 7/181 subtests failed.
make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
  CDENT/Purple/Purple-0.9.tar.gz
  /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK
Running make install
  make test had returned bad status, won't install
without force



I not sure what it means.


       
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From steve at fisharerojo.org  Wed Jul  4 09:18:25 2007
From: steve at fisharerojo.org (Steve Peters)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] cpan prob
In-Reply-To: <481426.24174.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <481426.24174.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070704161825.GA17771@kirk.peters.homeunix.org>

On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 01:38:20AM -0700, Craig Petty wrote:
> 
> 
> I start to install cpan when i got this this one
> package i get this error.
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> t/client.t   255 65280    10   14  4-10
> 2 tests skipped.
> Failed 1/5 test scripts. 7/181 subtests failed.
> Files=5, Tests=181,  2 wallclock secs ( 0.89 cusr + 
> 0.33 csys =  1.22 CPU)
> Failed 1/5 test programs. 7/181 subtests failed.
> make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
>   CDENT/Purple/Purple-0.9.tar.gz
>   /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK
> Running make install
>   make test had returned bad status, won't install
> without force
> 
> 
> 
> I not sure what it means.
> 

It looks like you are trying to install Purple instead of cpan.
Is that what you where trying to do?  Have you tried to contact the
author of Purple with this problem?

Steve Peters
steve at fisharerojo.org


From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 09:46:36 2007
From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig Petty)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:46:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] cpan prob
In-Reply-To: <20070704161825.GA17771@kirk.peters.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <74224.63545.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Steve Peters <steve at fisharerojo.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 01:38:20AM -0700, Craig
> Petty wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I start to install cpan when i got this this one
> > package i get this error.
> > 
> > 
> >
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > t/client.t   255 65280    10   14  4-10
> > 2 tests skipped.
> > Failed 1/5 test scripts. 7/181 subtests failed.
> > Files=5, Tests=181,  2 wallclock secs ( 0.89 cusr
> + 
> > 0.33 csys =  1.22 CPU)
> > Failed 1/5 test programs. 7/181 subtests failed.
> > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
> >   CDENT/Purple/Purple-0.9.tar.gz
> >   /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK
> > Running make install
> >   make test had returned bad status, won't install
> > without force
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I not sure what it means.
> > 
> 
> It looks like you are trying to install Purple
> instead of cpan.
> Is that what you where trying to do?  Have you tried
> to contact the
> author of Purple with this problem?
> 
> Steve Peters
> steve at fisharerojo.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list




No i have not.
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 



       
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From andy at petdance.com  Wed Jul  4 09:48:27 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:48:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] cpan prob
In-Reply-To: <74224.63545.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <74224.63545.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F543DC8F-468D-4203-8822-C4CE3874E01C@petdance.com>


On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Craig Petty wrote:

>>   Have you tried
>> to contact the
>> author of Purple with this problem?
>
> No i have not.


Allow me to rephrase that for him.

"You should contact the author of Purple with this problem."

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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 15:10:02 2007
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:10:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] cpan prob
In-Reply-To: <481426.24174.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <481426.24174.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0707041510s49de7cc6rf61c974b6a21b767@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/4/07, Craig Petty <fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com> wrote:


>   /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK
> Running make install
>   make test had returned bad status, won't install
> without force

This means that the tests that came with the Purple module did not
pass, so the tool you used (CPAN.pm) won't install the module. You can
still install it by hand, though. That doesn't mean it will work right
though.

As you can see, t/client.t is the problematic test. You can try
running that by itself to figure out how it is failing, and what you
might have to do to make it pass.

Typically, you start to investigate these problems by seeing if anyone
else had problems. The CPAN Search page for each module has a link to
its CPAN Testers results:

    http://search.cpan.org/dist/Purple/

You can also look at its RT page, although in this case it doesn't
look like there are any tickets (yet):

    https://rt.cpan.org/Dist/Display.html?Queue=Purple

You can also report your problem to the module author by submitting a
ticket to rt.cpan.org:

    https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Create.html?Queue=Purple

Include as much information as you can in the report.

Good luck :)

-- 
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From jon at jrock.us  Wed Jul  4 16:06:25 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Wiki list of members
In-Reply-To: <D5C85C47-84C2-41C7-AF1F-FBB9A72B9965@petdance.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707031427380.17507@steward.bsod.net>
	<D5C85C47-84C2-41C7-AF1F-FBB9A72B9965@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <200707041806.25784.jon@jrock.us>

On Tuesday 03 July 2007 03:01:15 pm Andy Lester wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Pete Krawczyk wrote:
> > With Andy changing everything from the Socialtext wiki to the new
> > MediaWiki, the list of members got quashed.
>
> I consider this a feature.  The soil of liberty must occassionally be
> nourished by the blood of rebuilds or something like that.

I hate mediawiki.

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From andy at petdance.com  Wed Jul  4 17:01:42 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:01:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Wiki list of members
In-Reply-To: <200707041806.25784.jon@jrock.us>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707031427380.17507@steward.bsod.net>
	<D5C85C47-84C2-41C7-AF1F-FBB9A72B9965@petdance.com>
	<200707041806.25784.jon@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <C248A57B-9F9E-49A6-8AB2-B8E51E79CB99@petdance.com>


> I hate mediawiki.

Your kind words of gratitude make the hours I spend working to  
support Perl Mongers and the rest of the Perl community worth it.


--
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From andy at petdance.com  Mon Jul  9 13:54:10 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:54:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Mechanize talk tomorrow night
Message-ID: <069A6A2A-7B01-4CF9-A5A8-FF5928B4DC57@petdance.com>

Tomorrow night WWW::Mechanize talk in Wheaton is going to be a  
workshop.  We're going to create programs using WWW::Mechanize live  
on the big screen.

If you have specific needs that we can use for examples, please bring  
'em!

Thanks,
xoxo,
Andy


--
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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 12:08:21 2007
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:08:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lincoln Park Zoo Camel Tour,
	Saturday August 11 at 11 am
Message-ID: <2715accf0707101208l4021a73dk721676ac2128e37@mail.gmail.com>

Lincoln Park Zoo will give a free, docent-guided, behind-the-scenes
tour of the camel exhibit exclusively for Perl Mongers on Saturday
August 11 at 11:00 am. That's when all the stars align for the
docents, animals, and zookeepers.

This event is primarily for those who donated to the Adopt-a-Camel
campaign, and the tour can only take up to 20 people due to the size
of the back area of the camel exhibit.

If you're interested in coming, please RSVP with me (brian d foy,
brian.d.foy at gmail.com). Children may come, although it will be a
grown-up oriented event. Priority for the 20 slots goes to those who
donated to the Camel Fund. After that we can open it up to spouses and
friends. Even if people can't go into the camel enclosure, there's
still plenty to do at the zoo during the half hour tour. There is no
admission fee to the zoo for anyone.

After the zoo we can have lunch at an area restaurant that we can decide later.

Lincoln Park Zoo: http://www.lpzoo.org/

Perl Mongers Adopt-A-Camel: http://windycity.pm.org/adopt-a-camel.shtml

Thanks, :)

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From warren.lindsey at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 19:59:50 2007
From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:59:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Mechanize talk tomorrow night
In-Reply-To: <069A6A2A-7B01-4CF9-A5A8-FF5928B4DC57@petdance.com>
References: <069A6A2A-7B01-4CF9-A5A8-FF5928B4DC57@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <841e880a0707121959j294b8576p6b2b70aa19f47371@mail.gmail.com>

Andy,

Do you have any slides you could share?  I don't often get out to the
meetings in the 'burbs, but would like to have attended this one.
Plan on doing it again?

Cheers,
Warren

On 7/9/07, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> Tomorrow night WWW::Mechanize talk in Wheaton is going to be a
> workshop.  We're going to create programs using WWW::Mechanize live
> on the big screen.
>
> If you have specific needs that we can use for examples, please bring
> 'em!
>
> Thanks,
> xoxo,
> Andy
>
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

From andy at petdance.com  Fri Jul 13 05:50:24 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:50:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Mechanize talk tomorrow night
In-Reply-To: <841e880a0707121959j294b8576p6b2b70aa19f47371@mail.gmail.com>
References: <069A6A2A-7B01-4CF9-A5A8-FF5928B4DC57@petdance.com>
	<841e880a0707121959j294b8576p6b2b70aa19f47371@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B52144F-8A04-4650-96D5-63C095F6805F@petdance.com>


On Jul 12, 2007, at 9:59 PM, Warren Lindsey wrote:

> Do you have any slides you could share?  I don't often get out to the
> meetings in the 'burbs, but would like to have attended this one.
> Plan on doing it again?

No slides, and certainly nothing more useful than the docs that are  
already in the Mech distribution.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From richard at rushlogistics.com  Fri Jul 13 07:22:14 2007
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:22:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is there an easy way to count the number of
	characters in a scalar?
Message-ID: <719618.67215.qm@web609.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Happy Friday all!

Does anyone know of an easy way to count the number of characters in a scalar?


Your beliefs become your thoughts.  Your thoughts become your words.  Your words become your actions.  Your actions become your habits.  Your habits become your values.  Your values become your destiny.  -- Mahatma Gandhi
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From lembark at wrkhors.com  Fri Jul 13 07:21:19 2007
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:21:19 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is there an easy way to count the number
 of	characters in a scalar?
In-Reply-To: <719618.67215.qm@web609.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <719618.67215.qm@web609.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46978A5F.20200@wrkhors.com>

Richard Reina wrote:
> Happy Friday all!
>
> Does anyone know of an easy way to count the number of characters in a
> scalar?

perldoc -f length

-- 
Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From richard at rushlogistics.com  Fri Jul 13 07:40:56 2007
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:40:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is there an easy way to count the number of
	characters in a scalar?
In-Reply-To: <46978A5F.20200@wrkhors.com>
Message-ID: <855670.31839.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Steve.  That works beautifully.

Steven Lembark <lembark at wrkhors.com> wrote: Richard Reina wrote:
> Happy Friday all!
>
> Does anyone know of an easy way to count the number of characters in a
> scalar?

perldoc -f length

-- 
Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508
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From andy at petdance.com  Fri Jul 13 07:56:06 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:56:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is there an easy way to count the number of
	characters in a scalar?
In-Reply-To: <855670.31839.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <855670.31839.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A3688DD1-A3F9-43E6-AF1A-166AA60D5178@petdance.com>


On Jul 13, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Richard Reina wrote:

> Thanks Steve.  That works beautifully.

I'll point everyone again at perl101.org, which has been a little  
ignored for the past month or two, but covers exactly stuff like this.

http://perl101.org/strings.html


--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From frag at ripco.com  Wed Jul 18 11:55:27 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:55:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC '08?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707181351400.17986@shell3>


At YAPC, a few people said they were interested in re-hosting YAPC here 
in 2008, possibly at DePaul instead of IIT.  Is anyone still pursuing 
this?

-- Mike F.

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 15:25:40 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:25:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC '08?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707181351400.17986@shell3>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707181351400.17986@shell3>
Message-ID: <49d805d70707181525m44dd88d9kf1a92fb3c3c8adc9@mail.gmail.com>

Rockway wanted to do it.  I'll gladly play a supporting role.  There
is only about 12 days left to get the bid in, so if we are going to
move on this, we'd better do it now.

On 7/18/07, Mike Fragassi <frag at ripco.com> wrote:
>
> At YAPC, a few people said they were interested in re-hosting YAPC here
> in 2008, possibly at DePaul instead of IIT.  Is anyone still pursuing
> this?
>
> -- Mike F.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

From jon at jrock.us  Wed Jul 18 17:33:45 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:33:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC '08?
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70707181525m44dd88d9kf1a92fb3c3c8adc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707181351400.17986@shell3>
	<49d805d70707181525m44dd88d9kf1a92fb3c3c8adc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200707181933.47737.jon@jrock.us>

On Wednesday 18 July 2007 05:25:40 pm Joshua McAdams wrote:
> Rockway wanted to do it.  I'll gladly play a supporting role.  There
> is only about 12 days left to get the bid in, so if we are going to
> move on this, we'd better do it now.

Seems like most of the people involved are going to be at OSCON, so I was 
going to round everyone up there and get the bid in.

-- 
package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do {
$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;
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From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 19:22:14 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:22:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC '08?
In-Reply-To: <200707181933.47737.jon@jrock.us>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707181351400.17986@shell3>
	<49d805d70707181525m44dd88d9kf1a92fb3c3c8adc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200707181933.47737.jon@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <49d805d70707181922q7f752bb1qc1f9eaceb0369d12@mail.gmail.com>

> Seems like most of the people involved are going to be at OSCON, so I was
> going to round everyone up there and get the bid in.

Sounds good.  Let's handle it there.  I'll try to get the one from '06
in some wiki format so that we can work from it.

From frag at ripco.com  Thu Jul 19 11:20:31 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:20:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC '08?
In-Reply-To: <200707181933.47737.jon@jrock.us>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707181351400.17986@shell3>
	<49d805d70707181525m44dd88d9kf1a92fb3c3c8adc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200707181933.47737.jon@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707191316210.28677@shell3>


On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Jonathan Rockway wrote:

> Seems like most of the people involved are going to be at OSCON, so I was
> going to round everyone up there and get the bid in.

I won't be there myself, but let me know if there's anything I can do.

-- Mike F.

From andy at petdance.com  Thu Jul 19 19:06:01 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] August 14th: Unit and Functional Testing with Perl
Message-ID: <2AE8EA7D-FA1C-4F89-B1E2-AF6966969B6B@petdance.com>

Tuesday, August 14th, 7:00pm
Chicago Perl Mongers presents
Kent Cowgill
Perl Unit and Functional Testing
at IIT Rice Campus
Wheaton, IL
See http://chicago.pm.org/meetings/ for directions

Kent will be talking about getting started with unit and functional  
testing using everyone's favorite language, Perl.

Additionally, he will talk about code quality, test coverage, and  
making things a lot easier on the person doing the testing using a  
Makefile.

Finally, Kent will talk about how he used Test::Harness to create a  
custom test module in order to be able to unit test the code in use  
at his job, which is a template framework that combines perl code  
with HTML, making traditional unit testing rather difficult.

Hope to see you there!

xoxo,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 10:52:45 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
Message-ID: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>

The bid from 2006 has been wikified at
http://chicago.pm.org/wiki/YAPC::NA_2008_Bid and is ready to be
converted into the 2008 bid.  It seems like DePaul might be a better
venue for 2008 with IIT being a backup, so if anyone wants to find
information about their conference hosting capabilities, please do.

From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Sun Jul 22 11:10:36 2007
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>

i am a full time student in cti at depaul.

hal
On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Joshua McAdams wrote:

> The bid from 2006 has been wikified at
> http://chicago.pm.org/wiki/YAPC::NA_2008_Bid and is ready to be
> converted into the 2008 bid.  It seems like DePaul might be a better
> venue for 2008 with IIT being a backup, so if anyone wants to find
> information about their conference hosting capabilities, please do.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk


From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 16:04:52 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:04:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
In-Reply-To: <5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>
References: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>

> i am a full time student in cti at depaul.

Excellent.  Do you happen to know any professors or campus
organizations that might be friendly to 'co-sponsoring' YAPC?  It
seems like DePaul had/has decent discounts for student organizations
reserving rooms.  Hal, you might need to found the DePaul Perl Mongers
;)

Also, do you know which campus and which buildings would be best to host YAPC?

From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Sun Jul 22 16:16:47 2007
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:16:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>
	<49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DA851FB4-B2CC-4D75-A049-832E130DA28C@mindspring.com>

i will look into it,


On Jul 22, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Joshua McAdams wrote:

>> i am a full time student in cti at depaul.
>
> Excellent.  Do you happen to know any professors or campus
> organizations that might be friendly to 'co-sponsoring' YAPC?  It
> seems like DePaul had/has decent discounts for student organizations
> reserving rooms.  Hal, you might need to found the DePaul Perl Mongers
> ;)
>
> Also, do you know which campus and which buildings would be best to  
> host YAPC?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk


From amead2 at alanmead.org  Sun Jul 22 17:15:43 2007
From: amead2 at alanmead.org (Alan Mead)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:15:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>	<5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>
	<49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46A3F32F.7040804@alanmead.org>

If DePaul falls through, I'm new to the faculty at IIT and I'd be happy
to help if I can.

-Alan


Joshua McAdams wrote:
>> i am a full time student in cti at depaul.
>>     
>
> Excellent.  Do you happen to know any professors or campus
> organizations that might be friendly to 'co-sponsoring' YAPC?  It
> seems like DePaul had/has decent discounts for student organizations
> reserving rooms.  Hal, you might need to found the DePaul Perl Mongers
> ;)
>
> Also, do you know which campus and which buildings would be best to host YAPC?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>   


-- 
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Assistant Professor, Institute of Psychology
Scientific Adviser, Center for Research and Service
Illinois Institute of Technology
3101 South Dearborn, 2nd floor
Chicago IL 60616

Skype: alandmead
+312.567.5933 (Campus)
+312.567.3493 (Fax)
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From lembark at wrkhors.com  Mon Jul 23 12:38:03 2007
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] August 14th: Unit and Functional Testing with
 Perl
In-Reply-To: <2AE8EA7D-FA1C-4F89-B1E2-AF6966969B6B@petdance.com>
References: <2AE8EA7D-FA1C-4F89-B1E2-AF6966969B6B@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <46A5039B.2040700@wrkhors.com>


> Kent will be talking about getting started with unit and functional
> testing using everyone's favorite language, Perl.

Any chance I could get the lecture notes (unless
someone can give me a lift :-).

-- 
Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From kent at c2group.net  Mon Jul 23 12:49:58 2007
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:49:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] August 14th: Unit and Functional Testing with
	Perl
In-Reply-To: <46A5039B.2040700@wrkhors.com>
References: <2AE8EA7D-FA1C-4F89-B1E2-AF6966969B6B@petdance.com>
	<46A5039B.2040700@wrkhors.com>
Message-ID: <47270077-16CE-4ADF-B12E-ED1198A07A2F@c2group.net>

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I do plan on publishing the slides, trimmed down a bit*.

* i.e. without the slow reveals, or the screencasts**, which won't  
survive the transition to PDF.
** which I'll likely make available separately, if they're really  
greatly desired (but really, they're not so hot).

- -Kent Cowgill

C2 Group, Inc.                                             
kent at c2group.net
http://www.c2group.net                                         
312.804.0160


On Jul 23, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Steven Lembark wrote:

>
>> Kent will be talking about getting started with unit and functional
>> testing using everyone's favorite language, Perl.
>
> Any chance I could get the lecture notes (unless
> someone can give me a lift :-).
>
> -- 
> Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th  
> Street
> Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY  
> 11421
> lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359  
> 3508
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
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From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 13:04:56 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:04:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
In-Reply-To: <46A3F32F.7040804@alanmead.org>
References: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>
	<49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>
	<46A3F32F.7040804@alanmead.org>
Message-ID: <49d805d70707231304r6336d462u7c13147329f09410@mail.gmail.com>

>  If DePaul falls through, I'm new to the faculty at IIT and I'd be happy to
> help if I can.

Thanks Alan.  We actually need to go into the bidding process with
more than one venue proposed, so we'll need to get updated information
on IIT also.  Glad to know that you are teaching there.  In 2k6 we
didn't work with any professors at IIT and really missed getting the
word out on-campus.

In 2k6 we had the conference in the Herman Union Building.  I'm
guessing that we'll pitch that as a backup again this year, only with
adjusted pricing.  Do you get any employee discounts on rentals?  If
so, we might be able to shoot for the newer conference center on
campus.

From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 13:10:22 2007
From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:10:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70707231304r6336d462u7c13147329f09410@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>
	<49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>
	<46A3F32F.7040804@alanmead.org>
	<49d805d70707231304r6336d462u7c13147329f09410@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c114984c0707231310vc6cc3c7ledbad12278d21beb@mail.gmail.com>

If you are able to hook up with a campus group like the LUG or ACM you
can get discounts that way as well.

-- 
shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com
Perl Programmer
Soccer Referee


On 7/23/07, Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  If DePaul falls through, I'm new to the faculty at IIT and I'd be happy to
> > help if I can.
>
> Thanks Alan.  We actually need to go into the bidding process with
> more than one venue proposed, so we'll need to get updated information
> on IIT also.  Glad to know that you are teaching there.  In 2k6 we
> didn't work with any professors at IIT and really missed getting the
> word out on-campus.
>
> In 2k6 we had the conference in the Herman Union Building.  I'm
> guessing that we'll pitch that as a backup again this year, only with
> adjusted pricing.  Do you get any employee discounts on rentals?  If
> so, we might be able to shoot for the newer conference center on
> campus.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 14:59:40 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:59:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
In-Reply-To: <c114984c0707231310vc6cc3c7ledbad12278d21beb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>
	<49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>
	<46A3F32F.7040804@alanmead.org>
	<49d805d70707231304r6336d462u7c13147329f09410@mail.gmail.com>
	<c114984c0707231310vc6cc3c7ledbad12278d21beb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70707231459m5f50a3a9g955dcb901827eec1@mail.gmail.com>

> If you are able to hook up with a campus group like the LUG or ACM you
> can get discounts that way as well.

Excellent idea... any DePaul LUG or ACM members on this list?

From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Mon Jul 23 15:00:57 2007
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (hwigoda at mindspring.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:00:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
Message-ID: <33058591.1185228057588.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

i am a member of the depaul lug, also.

hal
773 759 5636 - cell

-----Original Message-----
>From: Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 23, 2007 4:59 PM
>To: "Chicago.pm chatter" <chicago-talk at pm.org>
>Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
>
>> If you are able to hook up with a campus group like the LUG or ACM you
>> can get discounts that way as well.
>
>Excellent idea... any DePaul LUG or ACM members on this list?
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From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Mon Jul 23 22:30:50 2007
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:30:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70707231459m5f50a3a9g955dcb901827eec1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>
	<49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>
	<46A3F32F.7040804@alanmead.org>
	<49d805d70707231304r6336d462u7c13147329f09410@mail.gmail.com>
	<c114984c0707231310vc6cc3c7ledbad12278d21beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<49d805d70707231459m5f50a3a9g955dcb901827eec1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11491DCB-A474-4E20-9F75-843D67606E35@mindspring.com>

imho, and knowledge,
the downtown campus of depaul really does not have the facilities  
like iit.


On Jul 23, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Joshua McAdams wrote:

>> If you are able to hook up with a campus group like the LUG or ACM  
>> you
>> can get discounts that way as well.
>
> Excellent idea... any DePaul LUG or ACM members on this list?
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk


From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 00:54:02 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC::NA 2008 Bid Nearing Completion
Message-ID: <49d805d70707240054y4d959150h8933d4f2e6b93e4a@mail.gmail.com>

We've hacked away at the YAPC bid and are getting close to completing
it.  The most outstanding item that I have now is the pricing for
DePaul's dorms.  I've sent an email to a representative on-campus and
hope to hear back soon.

Please feel free to review/fix/improve the bid at
http://chicago.pm.org/wiki/YAPC::NA_2008_Bid

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 00:55:22 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:55:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm YAPC::NA 2008 Bid
In-Reply-To: <11491DCB-A474-4E20-9F75-843D67606E35@mindspring.com>
References: <49d805d70707221052qaf98878u5689926a19f1b48b@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C704FEB-C451-4703-8F2D-8BE660806DDE@mindspring.com>
	<49d805d70707221604i70e0aebck59a4f17ec95bf17d@mail.gmail.com>
	<46A3F32F.7040804@alanmead.org>
	<49d805d70707231304r6336d462u7c13147329f09410@mail.gmail.com>
	<c114984c0707231310vc6cc3c7ledbad12278d21beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<49d805d70707231459m5f50a3a9g955dcb901827eec1@mail.gmail.com>
	<11491DCB-A474-4E20-9F75-843D67606E35@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70707240055u104103b5q1fce6aad013c55a1@mail.gmail.com>

> imho, and knowledge,
> the downtown campus of depaul really does not have the facilities
> like iit.

Agreed.  The Lincoln Park Campus looks good though.  The student
center seems like it would be a perfect fit.  It's a little more
pricey than IIT, but is much nicer and in a better neighborhood.

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Jul 30 09:00:26 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:00:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Help the Perl community better understand its users
	at perlsurvey.org
Message-ID: <DC34854E-8C6A-469C-B791-82E606729C2F@petdance.com>

(Please feel free to forward this to anyone who might be able to  
help, such as other mailing lists. -- Andy)

What sort of programmer uses Perl?  Do most Perl programmers use it  
as a primary language, or just write the occasional script?  And are  
there really as few women as conventional wisdom says?  Kirrily  
Robert wants to know, and wants anyone around the world who uses Perl  
to help by answering a simple five-minute survey at perlsurvey.org.

Kirrily's goal is to "take a snapshot of the Perl world as it  
currently stands."  As an active member of the Perl community, she's  
often asked questions about Perl's users and is only left to  
"hypothesise, generalise, and hand-wave."  Further, software  
communities can often be an echo chamber where people only hear from  
like-minded people. The Perl Survey is an attempt to break out of  
that echo chamber and hear from all Perl users around the world,  
regardless of skill level, not just the core users most active in  
vocal communities.

An interesting part of the survey is asking the respondent's salary,  
if they choose to release it.  "I hear a lot of talk about the going  
rate for Perl programmers," Kirrily says, "and whether organizations  
that claim they can't hire Perl programmers simply aren't paying  
enough." Correlating results with job experience and types of  
languages known could shed light on the topic.  The survey's reach  
could help users around the world.  "Salary information can be very  
hard to find out for anywhere other than the US," says Kirrily, an  
Australian.

The survey will be open until September 30, 2007.  Then, in October,  
Kirrily will be announcing the results and releasing the raw data,  
minus email addresses, under a Creative Commons "CC-BY" license. Her  
hope is that other interested people will provide their own analyses  
of the results.

For further information, and to participate if you use Perl at all,  
visit perlsurvey.org.

Thanks,
xoxo,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From mongers at bsod.net  Mon Jul 30 09:08:07 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:08:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] REMINDER: July 31,
	2007: Lightning Talks and Perl::Critic
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707301103170.17507@steward.bsod.net>

This is a reminder about tomorrow night's Perl Mongers meeting.  There 
will also be several people in attendance who attended OSCON and would 
like to share their thoughts about the conference.

Please RSVP as soon as possible if you think you might even possibly want 
to attend.  It's better to be on the list and not attend than not be on 
the list and decide at the last minute to show up - the former causes us 
no grief; the latter gets hassled at security.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                     Chicago Perl Mongers Meeting Announcement
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Topic: Lightning Talks and Perl::Critic
    Presenter: You!, Josh McAdams
    Date/Time: Tuesday, July 31, 2007, 7:00 PM CDT
     Location: Performics, 12th Floor, 180 N. LaSalle, Chicago, IL
         RSVP: By 12:00 PM CDT on July 31 at pkrawczyk at doubleclick dot com
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please note that this meeting is one week later than normally scheduled!
RSVPs are also required for this meeting.

This meeting will start with Lightning Talks, and if there is time
remaining, Josh McAdams will present a tutorial on writing policies for
Perl::Critic.

If you are interested in doing a lightning talk, please pre-register for a
five minute slot by sending an email to the RSVP address above.  You can
also sign up for a presentation slot at the meeting, if any are left.  We
will announce any pre-registered talks before the meeting.


Lightning Talks are 5-minute talks, given on any subject you can think of.
Here's somewhere to look for ideas:

      http://perl.plover.com/lt/lightning-talks.html

We are also looking for lightning talks about what you learned at a recent
conference, such as YAPC or OSCON; interesting projects or problems you've
recently worked on; new technology you've recently discovered; or
questions you'd like to present in front of a group of your peers.

Lightning talks rely on YOU getting up there and doing your five minutes
in the spotlight.  It's a GREAT way for people who have never spoken
before to get out there and get their feet wet.  From MJD's page:

      Maybe you've never given a talk before, and you'd like to start small.
      For a Lightning Talk, you don't need to make slides, and if you do
      decide to make slides, you only need to make three.

      Maybe you're nervous and you're afraid you'll mess up. It's a lot
      easier to plan and deliver a five minute talk than it is to deliver
      a long talk. And if you do mess up, at least the painful part will
      be over quickly.

      Maybe you don't have much to say. Maybe you just want to ask a
      question, or invite people to help you with your project, or boast
      about something you did, or tell a short cautionary story. These
      things are all interesting and worth talking about, but there might
      not be enough to say about them to fill up thirty minutes.

Lightning talks also don't require slides, charts or graphs.  If you do
want to use them, however, please be mindful of the five minute limit -
you'll probably only get to cover three slides or so.


As with all Chicago Perl Mongers meetings, everyone is welcome,
whether or not you consider yourself a member. We look forward to
seeing you there!

Questions about this meeting?  Ask on the chicago-talk at pm.org mailing
list, or send email to andy at petdance dot com.  You can also see a list
of past and upcoming meetings at http://chicago.pm.org/meetings/.

-Pete K
--
Pete Krawczyk
       Chicago Perl Mongers
       mongers at bsod dot net

From frag at ripco.com  Tue Jul 31 09:37:58 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>


This is driving me nuts.  I've got a script that basically does the
following:

#--------------------------------------------------------------#
use Carp;

attempt_something()
   or quit_gracefully("attempt failed; quitting");

sub attempt_something {
   # Oops, the attempt fails:
   return undef;
}

sub quit_gracefully {
   my $error_msg = shift;
   # ... do some recovery operations here ...
   # ... and then call quit():
   quit($error_msg);
}

sub quit {
   my $error_msg = shift;
   # ... do some other stuff here, and then, the coup de grace:
   Carp::croak($error_msg);
}
#--------------------------------------------------------------#

Carp.pm, in its finite wisdom, gives me a full stack trace:

   attempt failed; quitting at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 25
         main::quit('attempt failed; quitting') called at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 20
         main::quit_gracefully('attempt failed; quitting') called at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 9

When all I really want is the _last_ line, indicating the original point
where the chain started:
   main::quit_gracefully('attempt failed; quitting') called at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 9
(ideally without the 'main::').

Replacing Carp::croak with "die Carp::shortmess" doesn't change 
anything.  Nor does adding $Carp::Verbose = 0 right before the croak().
Plain old die(), of course, gives me just the first line, which is 
useless.

I could "fix" it by jumping through some complicated hoops: wrapping the 
subs quit() and quit_gracefully() in a separate package, and then having 
to modify all the calls to Foo::quit_gracefully(), but that's kludgy, 
and I expect something as basic and core as Carp to DWIM.

I can't tell if there's something obvious I'm forgetting or missing, or 
if Carp's just so geared for OOP that it's completely incapable of DWIM 
in scripting uses like this.

Any suggestions?

-- Mike F.


From kent at c2group.net  Tue Jul 31 10:21:48 2007
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:21:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
Message-ID: <137CB5BC-FA3A-4A03-AD5C-9D59054CF903@c2group.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Is this what you're looking for:

$Carp::CarpLevel = 1;


$ perl ctest.pl
attempt failed; quitting at ctest.pl line 17
         main::quit_gracefully('attempt failed; quitting') called at  
ctest.pl line 5


- -Kent Cowgill

C2 Group, Inc.                                             
kent at c2group.net
http://www.c2group.net                                         
312.804.0160


On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Mike Fragassi wrote:

> use Carp;
>
> attempt_something()
>    or quit_gracefully("attempt failed; quitting");
>
> sub attempt_something {
>    # Oops, the attempt fails:
>    return undef;
> }
>
> sub quit_gracefully {
>    my $error_msg = shift;
>    # ... do some recovery operations here ...
>    # ... and then call quit():
>    quit($error_msg);
> }
>
> sub quit {
>    my $error_msg = shift;
>    # ... do some other stuff here, and then, the coup de grace:
>    Carp::croak($error_msg);
> }

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iD8DBQFGr2+tRiDfSpIkEfoRApHfAJ0faM/iyAoi6CN10WMe2DCWn4d0kgCfW5iR
DtWFAqnrbZkh0N1dhXXGa4I=
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From mongers at bsod.net  Tue Jul 31 10:01:40 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:01:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707311150421.21672@steward.bsod.net>

Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
From: Mike Fragassi <frag at ripco.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:58 -0500 (CDT)

}Carp.pm, in its finite wisdom, gives me a full stack trace:
}
}   attempt failed; quitting at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 25
}         main::quit('attempt failed; quitting') called at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 20
}         main::quit_gracefully('attempt failed; quitting') called at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 9
}
}When all I really want is the _last_ line, indicating the original point
}where the chain started:
}   main::quit_gracefully('attempt failed; quitting') called at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 9
}(ideally without the 'main::').

If you don't care about the function arguments upstream, Sub::UpLevel will 
do what you want:

--- ctest.pl    2007-07-31 11:52:00.909062760 -0500
+++ foo.pl      2007-07-31 11:54:38.338129904 -0500
@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
 use Carp;
+use Sub::Uplevel;

 attempt_something()
    or quit_gracefully("attempt failed; quitting");
@@ -18,5 +19,5 @@
 sub quit {
    my $error_msg = shift;
    # ... do some other stuff here, and then, the coup de grace:
-   Carp::croak($error_msg);
+   uplevel 2, sub { Carp::croak($error_msg) };
 }


$ perl foo.pl
attempt failed; quitting at foo.pl line 22
        main::quit_gracefully() called at foo.pl line 4
$

As for the main::, you'll always have that in this instance because main:: 
is the package from which the function was called.  In your module, I 
would expect it 

I'm not sure why Sub::Uplevel's overloaded CORE::GLOBAL::caller loses 
function arguments, but I'm also not looking into it right now.

-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
    Chicago Perl Mongers
    mongers at bsod dot net

From mongers at bsod.net  Tue Jul 31 10:01:40 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:01:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707311150421.21672@steward.bsod.net>

Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
From: Mike Fragassi <frag at ripco.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:37:58 -0500 (CDT)

}Carp.pm, in its finite wisdom, gives me a full stack trace:
}
}   attempt failed; quitting at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 25
}         main::quit('attempt failed; quitting') called at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 20
}         main::quit_gracefully('attempt failed; quitting') called at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 9
}
}When all I really want is the _last_ line, indicating the original point
}where the chain started:
}   main::quit_gracefully('attempt failed; quitting') called at /usr/local/upld/bin/ctest.pl line 9
}(ideally without the 'main::').

If you don't care about the function arguments upstream, Sub::UpLevel will 
do what you want:

--- ctest.pl    2007-07-31 11:52:00.909062760 -0500
+++ foo.pl      2007-07-31 11:54:38.338129904 -0500
@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
 use Carp;
+use Sub::Uplevel;

 attempt_something()
    or quit_gracefully("attempt failed; quitting");
@@ -18,5 +19,5 @@
 sub quit {
    my $error_msg = shift;
    # ... do some other stuff here, and then, the coup de grace:
-   Carp::croak($error_msg);
+   uplevel 2, sub { Carp::croak($error_msg) };
 }


$ perl foo.pl
attempt failed; quitting at foo.pl line 22
        main::quit_gracefully() called at foo.pl line 4
$

As for the main::, you'll always have that in this instance because main:: 
is the package from which the function was called.  In your module, I 
would expect it 

I'm not sure why Sub::Uplevel's overloaded CORE::GLOBAL::caller loses 
function arguments, but I'm also not looking into it right now.

-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
    Chicago Perl Mongers
    mongers at bsod dot net

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Tue Jul 31 10:27:04 2007
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:27:04 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
Message-ID: <46AF70E8.9050606@wrkhors.com>


> I can't tell if there's something obvious I'm forgetting or missing, or
> if Carp's just so geared for OOP that it's completely incapable of DWIM
> in scripting uses like this.

Check if something you are using is setting:

  $Carp::Verbose = 1;

I use this to turn on tracing in my own code:

  log_trace =>
  sub
  {
    # log a full stack trace but avoid pushing the entire stack
    # back to the caller in $@.

*   local $Carp::CarpLevel  = 1;
*   local $Carp::Verbose    = 1;

    my ( undef, $file, $line ) = caller 1;

    my $err_msg = &$extract_first_scalar;

    push @_, '';

    my $message = &$format;

    carp $message;

    die "$err_msg at $file, $line\n";
  },


-- 
Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From mongers at bsod.net  Tue Jul 31 11:54:51 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:54:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
In-Reply-To: <137CB5BC-FA3A-4A03-AD5C-9D59054CF903@c2group.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
	<137CB5BC-FA3A-4A03-AD5C-9D59054CF903@c2group.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707311350060.21672@steward.bsod.net>

Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
From: Kent Cowgill <kent at c2group.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:21:48 -0500

}$Carp::CarpLevel = 1;

That seems sane, but if you do that, localize it to the scope where it's 
needed, or else other modules relying on Carp may behave unexpectedly (or 
change that value out from under you!)

  sub quit {
      my $error_msg = shift;
      # ... do some other stuff here, and then, the coup de grace:
      { 
        local $Carp::CarpLevel = 1;
        # Alternately, to be more robust:
        # local $Carp::CarpLevel = $Carp::CarpLevel + 1;
        Carp::croak($error_msg);
      }
  }


-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
    Chicago Perl Mongers
    mongers at bsod dot net

From frag at ripco.com  Tue Jul 31 13:51:53 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:51:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
In-Reply-To: <137CB5BC-FA3A-4A03-AD5C-9D59054CF903@c2group.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>
	<137CB5BC-FA3A-4A03-AD5C-9D59054CF903@c2group.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311243100.1003@shell3>


On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Kent Cowgill wrote:

> Is this what you're looking for:
>
> $Carp::CarpLevel = 1;
>
>
> $ perl ctest.pl
> attempt failed; quitting at ctest.pl line 17
>         main::quit_gracefully('attempt failed; quitting') called at ctest.pl line 5

That's better, but really I want croak() to only give me a one-line
die message:
>         quit_gracefully('attempt failed; quitting') called at ctest.pl line 5

Also, it doesn't really help, as it just chops off one level.  I really 
want it to go to the end of the stack, even if the number of levels 
vary.

Also, the comments in Carp say that CarpLevel is deprecated.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Pete Krawczyk wrote:

> If you don't care about the function arguments upstream, Sub::UpLevel will
> do what you want:

Unfortunately I do care; I want croak()-style output.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Steven Lembark wrote:

> Check if something you are using is setting:
>
>  $Carp::Verbose = 1;

The code in my mail is the example, and I tried making that = 0 right 
before the croak().

-- Mike F.

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Tue Jul 31 14:57:25 2007
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:57:25 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] fun with Carp
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311243100.1003@shell3>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311108150.1003@shell3>	<137CB5BC-FA3A-4A03-AD5C-9D59054CF903@c2group.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.61.0707311243100.1003@shell3>
Message-ID: <46AFB045.1010005@wrkhors.com>

Mike Fragassi wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Kent Cowgill wrote:
>
>> Is this what you're looking for:
>>
>> $Carp::CarpLevel = 1;

Try:

  sub foo
  {
    local $Carp::Verbose; # undef it for the sub

    ...

  }

does this solve your problem?

-- 
Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508