From andy at petdance.com  Thu Feb  1 08:37:04 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:37:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Come to the Wikithon, Wed Feb  7th
Message-ID: <20FDD1E1-6905-463A-859E-7BA6DE6AB1BE@petdance.com>

[I'm emailing this out, not that I expect anyone to go to California,  
but because you can join in remotely, and the chicago.pm wiki runs on  
Socialtext Open. -- Andy]

https://www.socialtext.net/stoss/index.cgi?wikithon

Come to our Wikithon!

On Wednesday February 7th in Palo Alto, CA, the same day as Wiki  
Wednesday, Socialtext is hosting an all day open hackathon. Our  
entire development team will be in town and our doors are open for you.

Remote Access

Can't make it to our offices in Palo Alto? No problem! Please feel  
free to follow along remotely (and if you want to remotely pair with  
someone to accomplish a particular task, please note that here as  
well). When you've completed your project, make a page in /stoss  
describing it, and tag it 'wikithon' so other people can find it.  
We'll be doing a show and tell of the hackathon output in the evening  
at Wiki Wednesday - so even if you can't hack with us, please come to  
Wiki Wednesday and admire all the cool things people made.
Infrastructure

We're putting some infrastructure in place so that local and remote  
participants can collaborate:

     * IRC - irc.freenode.net, channel #socialtext
     * Two open conference meeting rooms - 801 and 805 (external  
callers call 1 877-GET-WIKI and then the extension)
     * VNC servers available for connection: oak.socialtext.net:1 and  
oak.socialtext.net:2
     * Food and beverages will be available at the office

Ideas

Even if you're having trouble thinking of anything to work on, come  
on by and see if you can lend someone else a hand. We're eagerly  
looking forward to some cool new Socialtext plugins and hopefully  
some new API clients. We'll have some folks hanging out who are  
familiar with Socialtext internals, to help you get started on your  
widget.

Contest

We're going to have two contests during the Wikithon - best  
Socialtext Plugin or best new Socialtext API Client. Prizes are still  
to be determined, but we hope to encourage our hackers to come up  
with cool new ways to extend and use our application.

--
Andy Lester => andy.lester at socialtext.com => www.socialtext.com =>  
AIM:petdance



From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 06:24:07 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:24:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Downtown Loop Lunch
Message-ID: <43e95380702020624q563fb26bv5c7b7d7c589e4618@mail.gmail.com>

Hey! Lets do lunch.... if you are coming, email me.

Sopraffina Marketcafe ...
200 E Randolf, in the AON building.

-- 
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 06:26:56 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:26:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Downtown Loop Lunch
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702020624q563fb26bv5c7b7d7c589e4618@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702020624q563fb26bv5c7b7d7c589e4618@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380702020626t2e0399cfo52b079a6d1f2cb82@mail.gmail.com>

Ooops... lets do Monday, Feb 5th

On 2/2/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey! Lets do lunch.... if you are coming, email me.
>
> Sopraffina Marketcafe ...
> 200 E Randolf, in the AON building.
>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
>


-- 
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 15:09:26 2007
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:09:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] LP Zoo Camel Update
Message-ID: <2715accf0702031509u43f38aa5qb1bea54ef96ded71@mail.gmail.com>

It's 0 F outside, so we won't be visiting the camel at the Lincoln
Park Zoo soon, but I've finally scanned the picture and certificate
that they sent.

http://windycity.pm.org/adopt-a-camel.shtml

If you come to Monday's Lunch In the Loop you'll get to see the plush
camel they sent too. :)

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From johndporter at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 18:12:34 2007
From: johndporter at yahoo.com (John Douglas Porter)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:12:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-talk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1170619213.10620.chicago-talk@pm.org>
Message-ID: <535593.89707.qm@web53213.mail.yahoo.com>



brian.d.foy at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> It's 0 F outside, so we won't be visiting the camel at the Lincoln
> Park Zoo soon, but I've finally scanned the picture and certificate
> that they sent.
> 
> http://windycity.pm.org/adopt-a-camel.shtml


Nice.  :-)

But too bad they don't know how to spell Bactrian.

-- 
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From jim at jimandkoka.com  Sun Feb  4 18:25:08 2007
From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:25:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-talk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <535593.89707.qm@web53213.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.11.1170619213.10620.chicago-talk@pm.org>
	<535593.89707.qm@web53213.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70702041825y1301ba14u81e893b757d65a5a@mail.gmail.com>

> Nice.  :-)
>
> But too bad they don't know how to spell Bactrian.

My assumption is that the poor camel is badly infected with some sort
of illness ("Bacterian"), and hence really needed our donation
dollars.

I'm glad we could chip in to help purchase the fungicides and
medicines that our poor camel apparently so desperately needs.

-Jim....

From shijialeee at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 06:56:31 2007
From: shijialeee at yahoo.com (James.Q.L)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 06:56:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] WWW::Mechanize question
Message-ID: <941501.90136.qm@web50408.mail.yahoo.com>

hello,

long time LWP user. i am just start to use W::M and Test::W::M. 

in LWP, I can post to a form with any field i want. however, i can't find the method in W::M do
that. the field and set_fields can only set the known form fields but complain when i am setting
unknown fields.  

this is what i do in LWP.
$response = $browser->post( $post_url,
   [
     field_1 => value,
     fake_field => fake_value,
   ],
 );

do i need to use the overloaded request method to do that?

also, it was not clear to me that when i am posting to a url, does all the hidden fields posted
along with it as well? it seems that it does.

thanks,

Qiang


 
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From shijialeee at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 07:41:36 2007
From: shijialeee at yahoo.com (James.Q.L)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:41:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] WWW::Mechanize question
In-Reply-To: <941501.90136.qm@web50408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <838357.3985.qm@web50408.mail.yahoo.com>

sorry replying myself.

I have found a solution. W::M is a subclass of LWP. so all i need to do is 

$mech->post( $post_url,
    [
      field_1 => value,
      fake_field => fake_value,
    ],
  );

but still, i would like to know how to do that in mech if there is a way.

thanks.

Qiang

--- "James.Q.L" <shijialeee at yahoo.com> wrote:

> hello,
> 
> long time LWP user. i am just start to use W::M and Test::W::M. 
> 
> in LWP, I can post to a form with any field i want. however, i can't find the method in W::M do
> that. the field and set_fields can only set the known form fields but complain when i am setting
> unknown fields.  
> 
> this is what i do in LWP.
> $response = $browser->post( $post_url,
>    [
>      field_1 => value,
>      fake_field => fake_value,
>    ],
>  );
> 
> do i need to use the overloaded request method to do that?
> 
> also, it was not clear to me that when i am posting to a url, does all the hidden fields posted
> along with it as well? it seems that it does.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Qiang
> 
> 
>  
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 11:35:26 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:35:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] ChiPy Meeting Thursday February 7th 7pm
Message-ID: <3096c19d0702071135q67c82c04ob02f486953b5dfc2@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=========================

Come join us for our best meeting ever!

Topic
------

* The Humanized (http://humanized.com) folks present their latest
product "Enso", a Python based application recently profiled in the
Wall Street Journal.

Location
--------

DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave.
Chicago, IL
The computer lab on the 4th floor
7pm

About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
Python website: <http://python.org>

Pass it on.

From andy at petdance.com  Sat Feb 10 12:31:01 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:31:01 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [C-SPIN] - March 7th -- Ed Yourdon -- REGISTER EARLY!
Message-ID: <D438BFCD-5157-4AF7-AF68-A896C0F0B6FB@petdance.com>

In case anyone's interested in seein' Ed Yourdon....

xoxo,
Andy


?Chicago Software Process Improvement Network
(C-SPIN) Meeting
http://www.c-spin.net/
Presented as a Joint Program with CQAA
(Chicago Quality Assurance Association --  www.cqaa.org )

Note for March only:  Special time & PRE-REGISTRATION required!!
Follow instructions below.

AT&T Center Campus

(formerly SBC Center Campus)
AT&T Institute Atrium & Auditorium ? Room 129

Lakewood Blvd and Eagle Way, Hoffman Estates, IL
(See directions and parking information near the end of announcement.)



See the list of future meeting dates at the end of this announcement  
and mark your calendars now.



Wednesday, March 7, 2007
Networking & Refreshments 5:00 ? 6:15 PM
Program 6:15 ? 8:00 PM



   Program:  "What IT Departments Need to Do About Web 2.0 in 2007 to  
Avoid Being Irrevocably Left Behind"
Presenter:  Ed Yourdon



Abstract



The ?paradigm? of the original Web (or Web 1.0, as it?s now  
called) was that of corporate/government organizations publishing  
?content? to be consumed by large numbers of customers or citizens.

The paradigm of Web 2.0 is that of ?content? being created by  
customers and the entire Internet community, as well as corporations  
and the ?mainstream? media. Sometimes this grass-roots content is  
aggregated and distributed by the traditional publishers; but often  
it exists as tiny, stand-alone creations on the Internet ? such as  
the millions of blogs, photographs, and video clips that have sprung  
into existence in the past few years.

What does this mean for companies in today?s competitive  
environment? Most important, it?s forcing them to adopt a more  
?open? approach to their systems: instead of closed, proprietary  
systems and databases, more and more companies like AOL, Yahoo, and  
Google are providing ?API? interfaces so that end-users and small  
software providers can add their own content.

Other companies are focusing on the social aspect of Web 2.0, by  
emphasizing the collaboration opportunities of an Internet-enabled  
society. Some observers refer to this as the ?wiki phenomenon,?  
after the highly popular ?Wikipedia? website; others refer to it  
as ?crowdsourcing,? to emphasize that literally millions of  
individuals can contribute their ideas, suggestions, digital content  
(e.g., images), and skills to a shared activity.

Technology certainly plays an important role in the new Web 2.0  
world, with XML, Ajax, and Ruby on Rails being three of the leading  
examples of development technologies helping companies build new Web- 
based systems more quickly and easily. But most of all, Web 2.0 is a  
?strategic? issue: it requires senior corporate executives to  
rethink basic assumptions about their business, customers, suppliers,  
and work-force.

A veteran of the IT industry for over 40 years, Ed Yourdon has been  
involved in Web 2.0 since its beginnings in the 2002-2003 period, and  
he currently consults, lectures, and writes about various aspects of  
the new technologies. Ed will summarize the technologies, and  
identify the strategic issues facing IT managers and senior executives.

About the Presenter



EDWARD YOURDON is the author of more than two dozen books, including  
Byte Wars, Managing High-Intensity Internet Projects, Death March,  
Rise and  Resurrection of the American Programmer, and Decline and  
Fall of the American Programmer. His latest book ?Outsource:  
competing in the global productivity race?, provides practical  
strategies for individuals, small businesses, and the nation to cope  
with this wave.

According to the December 1999 issue of Crosstalk: The Journal of  
Defense Software Engineering, Ed Yourdon is one of the ten most  
influential men and women in the software field. In June 1997, he was  
inducted into the Computer Hall of Fame, along with such notables as  
Charles Babbage, Seymour Cray, James Martin, Grace Hopper, Gerald  
Weinberg, and Bill Gates. Ed is widely known as the lead developer of  
the structured analysis/design methods of the 1970s, as well as a co- 
developer of the Yourdon/Whitehead method of object-oriented analysis/ 
design.

Ed has worked in the computer industry for 40 years, beginning when  
Digital Equipment Corporation hired him in 1964 to write the FORTRAN  
math library for the PDP-5 and the assembler for the popular PDP-8  
minicomputer. During his career, he has been involved in a number of  
pioneering computer technologies such as time-sharing operating  
systems and virtual memory systems.

Several of his books have been translated into Japanese, Russian,  
Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, French, German, Polish, and other  
languages; and his articles have appeared in virtually all of the  
major computer journals. He has been a keynote speaker at major  
computer conferences around the world.

Agenda

5:00 ? 6:15 p.m.   Sign-in, Networking & Light Refreshments

6:15 ? 6:30 p.m.   CQAA and C-SPIN announcements

6:30 ? 8:00 p.m.   Presentation including Q & A
             Note that Sign-in will begin at 5:00 p.m. Please arrive  
early enough to sign in by 6:00.

Registration

ADVANCE REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED TO ATTEND THIS PROGRAM ? BOTH CQAA  
and C-SPIN members please register on the CQAA website as described  
below.
PLEASE REGISTER BY: Friday, March 2, 2007.
To register, go to www.cqaa.org and click on the "Programs" tab, then  
select "Upcoming Programs". Follow the "Click here to register or for  
more information" link, and then follow the Registration Instructions  
on the page. You will receive a confirmation email that your  
registration has been received. If you find out you will not be  
attending the event please cancel your registration by sending an  
email to programs at cqaa.org .
PLEASE FORWARD THIS ANNOUNCEMENT TO ANYONE IN YOUR COMPANY WHO MAY BE  
INTERESTED.

Driving and Parking Directions

 From I-90 Northwest Tollway exit North on Barrington Road.  Take  
Barrington Road to Lakewood Blvd (2nd light) and turn East (right)  
onto Lakewood Blvd.  Turn right into the AT&T Campus Center?s West  
Employee Entrance (1 entrance past Eagle Way) and follow the signs to  
the West Parking Structures.


Parking is available in covered lots W2 or W3 and additional parking  
is available in the upper level parking lot W1.  Look for parking  
spaces towards the west side of the parking structures.  Then walk to  
the Institute Building, which is located across the road (west of the  
parking structures).  It is estimated to take about 3 to 5 minutes to  
walk between the West Parking Structure and the AT&T Institute.


Visit the C-SPIN website http://www.c-spin.net for a map of the AT&T  
Campus Center.



Planned Future 2007 Program Schedule
All these programs are planned to be held at the AT&T Institute  
Auditorium.
Be sure to check the C-SPIN website [http://www.c-spin.net/] to  
confirm details.
Future program topics are to be determined.
Typically programs are held the first Wednesday of the month from  
6:00 ? 8:30 PM.
April 4, May 2, June 6    ***    Summer Break    ***    September 5,  
October 3, November 7


About C-SPIN
C-SPIN is made possible through the efforts of its Steering  
Committee. The Steering Committee is composed of, Alan Berow, Kathy  
Brown, Steve Coffman, Susan Davidowski, Donna Miller, and Robert  
Stalzer.
C-SPIN is a leadership forum for the free and open exchange of  
software process improvement experiences and practical ideas. We  
promote achieving higher levels of process maturity, software  
quality, and mutual respect. Companies, academic institutions,  
government organizations and individuals are invited.
For more information regarding this meeting, contact Kathy Brown at  
klbrown at mosaicinc.com.  For information about C-SPIN or the steering  
committee, contact Robert Stalzer at cspin at coderelay.com.
To receive future announcements electronically, send your e-mail  
address (include name, personal email address, company, and phone  
number) to Robert Stalzer at cspin at coderelay.com.



??_______________________________________________
C-SPIN mailing list
C-SPIN at c-spin.net
http://c-spin.net/mailman/listinfo/c-spin_c-spin.net
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From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Sat Feb 10 13:03:08 2007
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (hwigoda at mindspring.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:03:08 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [C-SPIN] - March 7th -- Ed Yourdon -- REGISTER
 EARLY!
Message-ID: <17741086.1171141389144.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com>
>Sent: Feb 10, 2007 2:31 PM
>To: "Chicago.pm chatter" <chicago-talk at pm.org>
>Subject: [Chicago-talk] [C-SPIN] - March 7th -- Ed Yourdon -- REGISTER EARLY!
>
>In case anyone's interested in seein' Ed Yourdon....
>
>xoxo,
>Andy

structured programming -
there's a blast from the past - i got some of his books.


From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 19:52:15 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:52:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] OT: Procrastination
Message-ID: <49d805d70702121952m2f3dab82ja6524cb6cff53930@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, so this has nothing to do with Perl, but it really struck me as
hilarious.  It is a video about procrastination.... time to learn a
new computer language instead of doing something useful in the ones
that I already know :)

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 19:52:43 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:52:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] OT: Procrastination
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70702121952m2f3dab82ja6524cb6cff53930@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70702121952m2f3dab82ja6524cb6cff53930@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70702121952x4b721fa1r5d2b21e60676cf2d@mail.gmail.com>

> Okay, so this has nothing to do with Perl, but it really struck me as
> hilarious.  It is a video about procrastination.... time to learn a
> new computer language instead of doing something useful in the ones
> that I already know :)

Doh... link: http://lifehacker.com/software/procrastination/ze-frank-on-procrastination-235859.php

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 19:55:51 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:55:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] OT: Procrastination
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70702121952m2f3dab82ja6524cb6cff53930@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70702121952m2f3dab82ja6524cb6cff53930@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0702121955x345407bfya62c7699559ca235@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/12/07, Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, so this has nothing to do with Perl, but it really struck me as
> hilarious.  It is a video about procrastination.... time to learn a
> new computer language instead of doing something useful in the ones
> that I already know :)

Ha!  Ironically, this is what's driven my entire career...I should get
"taught yourself a whole other programming language instead of making
something useful with the one you already know," as a tattoo.

That should have been the name of my presentation tomorrow instead of
hootenanny.  In fact, I want everyone to think of this thing as "What
Chris learned instead of getting his work done, the presentation."

Chris

From mongers at bsod.net  Tue Feb 13 06:58:28 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:58:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] CANCELLED: Chicago.pm/Uniforum for February 13, 2007
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702130836000.723@steward.bsod.net>

[Warren: Please forward to the Uniforum list.]

Howdy, folks!

Because of the weather, we're cancelling tonight's Dynamic Language 
Hootenanny in Wheaton. Chris McAvoy has generously offered to give it 
again on March 13, 2007.

http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?2007_03_13_dynamic_language_hootenanny

If you want to see it earlier, Chris will be presenting it next week, 
February 20, at the Performics offices.  For more information, and 
for instructions on how to pre-register for the talk, please see:

http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?2007_02_20_dynamic_language_hootenanny

Thank you!
-Pete K
--
Pete Krawczyk
     Chicago Perl Mongers
     mongers at bsod dot net

From kent at c2group.net  Tue Feb 13 07:40:50 2007
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:40:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] CANCELLED: Chicago.pm/Uniforum for February 13,
	2007
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702130836000.723@steward.bsod.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702130836000.723@steward.bsod.net>
Message-ID: <58FEF9F1-A69E-4072-B811-200DFC1534B2@c2group.net>

Kinda wish I got notice earlier, as in before I drove to the office  
so I'd be able to drive to Wheaton immediately after work :)

But I guess safety is more important than php, python, and ruby ;-)

(I think it's debatable whether it's more important than perl).

I don't know about anyone else, but on these sidewalks, I apparently  
have less traction with my boots than I seem to have with my rear- 
wheel-drive deathwagon^WThunderbird.

*Kent rubs his sore backside*

-Kent Cowgill

C2 Group, Inc.                                             
kent at c2group.net
http://www.c2group.net                                         
312.804.0160


On Feb 13, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Pete Krawczyk wrote:

> [Warren: Please forward to the Uniforum list.]
>
> Howdy, folks!
>
> Because of the weather, we're cancelling tonight's Dynamic Language
> Hootenanny in Wheaton. Chris McAvoy has generously offered to give it
> again on March 13, 2007.
>
> http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi? 
> 2007_03_13_dynamic_language_hootenanny
>
> If you want to see it earlier, Chris will be presenting it next week,
> February 20, at the Performics offices.  For more information, and
> for instructions on how to pre-register for the talk, please see:
>
> http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi? 
> 2007_02_20_dynamic_language_hootenanny
>
> Thank you!
> -Pete K
> --
> Pete Krawczyk
>      Chicago Perl Mongers
>      mongers at bsod dot net
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
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From andy at petdance.com  Tue Feb 13 07:53:37 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:53:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] CANCELLED: Chicago.pm/Uniforum for February 13,
	2007
In-Reply-To: <58FEF9F1-A69E-4072-B811-200DFC1534B2@c2group.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702130836000.723@steward.bsod.net>
	<58FEF9F1-A69E-4072-B811-200DFC1534B2@c2group.net>
Message-ID: <EC35CF17-0397-4E1C-B87F-C95C44C0957A@petdance.com>


On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Kent Cowgill wrote:

> Kinda wish I got notice earlier,

Sorry about that, Kent.  I didn't want to cancel last night based on  
forecast and then find that it wasn't so bad. :-/

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From kent at c2group.net  Tue Feb 13 08:19:00 2007
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:19:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] CANCELLED: Chicago.pm/Uniforum for February 13,
	2007
In-Reply-To: <EC35CF17-0397-4E1C-B87F-C95C44C0957A@petdance.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702130836000.723@steward.bsod.net>
	<58FEF9F1-A69E-4072-B811-200DFC1534B2@c2group.net>
	<EC35CF17-0397-4E1C-B87F-C95C44C0957A@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <9C46D3D5-1B8D-4DB2-879B-2C4060E4ECE2@c2group.net>

No big deal (at least to me), which is why I liberally peppered the  
email with smileys.

To be honest, I'm a little glad, too - I hear the roads aren't going  
to get much better until 11-12 tonight, and I wasn't looking forward  
to creeping crawling traffic.

On a funny note - even with horrible 10-15 mph (and at times slower)  
traffic on the Kennedy, I *still* got to work faster than if I had  
taken the train :)

-Kent Cowgill

C2 Group, Inc.                                             
kent at c2group.net
http://www.c2group.net                                         
312.804.0160


On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Andy Lester wrote:

>
> On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Kent Cowgill wrote:
>
>> Kinda wish I got notice earlier,
>
> Sorry about that, Kent.  I didn't want to cancel last night based on
> forecast and then find that it wasn't so bad. :-/
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
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> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


From jim at jimandkoka.com  Tue Feb 13 08:27:35 2007
From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] OT: Procrastination
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0702121955x345407bfya62c7699559ca235@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70702121952m2f3dab82ja6524cb6cff53930@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0702121955x345407bfya62c7699559ca235@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70702130827x3e0c68c6i4c56912679b1cc81@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/12/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/12/07, Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Okay, so this has nothing to do with Perl, but it really struck me as
> > hilarious.  It is a video about procrastination.... time to learn a
> > new computer language instead of doing something useful in the ones
> > that I already know :)

I was going to post this video...but I never got around to it...

It's much much worse when you procrastinate by learning truly useless
languages. I think I wasted the better part of a day once learning the
intricacies of brainfuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck),
including writing not just a brainfuck interpreter, but a brainfuck ->
C translator so I could compile my useless little programs for insane
crazy raw power.

-Jim....

From kent at c2group.net  Tue Feb 13 08:45:00 2007
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:45:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] OT: Procrastination
In-Reply-To: <5cfdfaf70702130827x3e0c68c6i4c56912679b1cc81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70702121952m2f3dab82ja6524cb6cff53930@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0702121955x345407bfya62c7699559ca235@mail.gmail.com>
	<5cfdfaf70702130827x3e0c68c6i4c56912679b1cc81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAD72B42-6AD7-43EA-8DE0-6B9B8507CC6E@c2group.net>

Been there, done that.

Here's a mildly golfed brainf*ck interpreter in 123b of perl:

%c=qw|> --$p; < ++$p; + ++$$p; - --$$p; [ ${ ] }while$$p; .
print+chr$$p; , $$p=shift;|;map{$r.=$c{$_}for split//}<>;eval$r

I'd golf it further, but I've been putting it off.

-Kent Cowgill

C2 Group, Inc.                                             
kent at c2group.net
http://www.c2group.net                                         
312.804.0160


On Feb 13, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim Thomason wrote:

> On 2/12/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/12/07, Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Okay, so this has nothing to do with Perl, but it really struck  
>>> me as
>>> hilarious.  It is a video about procrastination.... time to learn a
>>> new computer language instead of doing something useful in the ones
>>> that I already know :)
>
> I was going to post this video...but I never got around to it...
>
> It's much much worse when you procrastinate by learning truly useless
> languages. I think I wasted the better part of a day once learning the
> intricacies of brainfuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck),
> including writing not just a brainfuck interpreter, but a brainfuck ->
> C translator so I could compile my useless little programs for insane
> crazy raw power.
>
> -Jim....
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Tue Feb 13 13:44:53 2007
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:44:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl 101 question
Message-ID: <OF2FBB435D.783B18C7-ON86257281.00771175-86257281.007764A4@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

Reviewing a beginner perl course and it says:
You access list values by telling Perl the number of the element you want 
to access ? or its list index. You state the number in square brackets 
after the list.

The list must be enclosed in brackets, and the index in square brackets 
must be enclosed with the list in another level of brackets.

For example, to access the first element of a word list, you use the index 
[0] and enclose both the list and the index in additional brackets.
#!/usr/bin/perl
use warnings;
print (('how', 'price', 'hat') [0]);
print "\n";

So ... I thought that was wrong but:
print ('how', 'price', 'hat') [0];

doesn't work. This does:
my $word =  ('how', 'price', 'hat')[0];
print "$word\n";

as does:
print "", ('how', 'price', 'hat')[0], "\n";

So are the parens just to 'bind' the index to the bare list? 

a

Andy Bach
Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

"Procrastination is like putting lots and lots of commas in the sentence 
of your life."
Ze Frank 
http://lifehacker.com/software/procrastination/ze-frank-on-procrastination-235859.php

From arodland at comcast.net  Tue Feb 13 16:10:59 2007
From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:10:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl 101 question
In-Reply-To: <OF2FBB435D.783B18C7-ON86257281.00771175-86257281.007764A4@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <OF2FBB435D.783B18C7-ON86257281.00771175-86257281.007764A4@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <200702131810.59830.arodland@comcast.net>

On Tuesday 13 February 2007 3:44 pm, Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov wrote:
> Reviewing a beginner perl course and it says:
> [subscripting into a list]
>
> So ... I thought that was wrong but:
> print ('how', 'price', 'hat') [0];
>
> doesn't work. This does:
> my $word =  ('how', 'price', 'hat')[0];
> print "$word\n";
>
> as does:
> print "", ('how', 'price', 'hat')[0], "\n";
>
> So are the parens just to 'bind' the index to the bare list?

no, they're there to make the program make sense. While anyone who's used to 
Perl is used to calling print without parentheses, it can (like any other 
listop) be called in a form with parentheses as well (Ref: perlop, 
section "Terms and List Operators (Leftward)"). If the first thing 
after 'print' is a left-paren, then the arguments to 'print' only continue to 
the matching right-paren, just like a function call. So if you have:
	print (list)[0], "\n";
you have a call to print, with the argument (list), and then you have a [0], 
which makes no sense in what is now a TERM context, so perl throws a syntax 
error at you. The other forms you gave clarify the issue by making sure that 
the first thing after "print" isn't "(", so that it parses in the usual 
listop way. Other solutions you might see include:

	print ( (list)[0], "\n" );
or
	print +(list)[0], "\n";

Unary plus is basically a do-nothing operator that, again, makes it clear to 
the parser that print is followed by a term and not a left-paren.

Hope this helps, and as they say, hope it's FMTYEWTK!
Andrew

From mongers at bsod.net  Tue Feb 13 17:00:54 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:00:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl 101 question
In-Reply-To: <OF2FBB435D.783B18C7-ON86257281.00771175-86257281.007764A4@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <OF2FBB435D.783B18C7-ON86257281.00771175-86257281.007764A4@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702131900160.723@steward.bsod.net>

Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl 101 question
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:44:53 -0600

}So are the parens just to 'bind' the index to the bare list?

 $ perl -MO=Deparse -e 'print "how"'
 print 'how';
 -e syntax OK
 
Consider what happens if we add parens:
 
 $ perl -MO=Deparse -e 'print ("how")'
 print "how";
 -e syntax OK
 
The parens are bound to the print() function, not to a list containing the
single element "how".  That, incidentally, is why you can't tack the [0]  
onto the end - you can't treat a function as a direct arrayref.
 
 $ perl -MO=Deparse -e "print (('how', 'price', 'hat') [0]);"
 print(('how', 'price', 'hat')[0]);
 -e syntax OK
 
Taking the index off your print gives:
 
 $ perl -MO=Deparse -e "print (('how', 'price', 'hat'));"
 print 'how', 'price', 'hat';
 -e syntax OK
 
So, as you can see, the first set is used by the function, and the second 
set creates a list, of which the first element is selected.
 
-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
    Chicago Perl Mongers
    mongers at bsod dot net

From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 16 12:24:09 2007
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:24:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is it worth to be put in CPAN?
Message-ID: <993567.79782.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Finally, I got time to put my Data::Hierarchy::Traverser module on CPAN.

If you have time, please take a look and I am more than willing to hear any feedback from you.

http://search.cpan.org/~tigerperl/Data-Hierarchy-Traverser-0.01/lib/Data/Hierarchy/Traverser.pm




----- Original Message ----
From: Steven Lembark <lembark at wrkhors.com>
To: Chicago.pm chatter <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:46:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Is it worth to be put in CPAN?


> The module proposed is just for traversing across
> hierarchy (tree, trees) structure inspired by Dominus's
> HOP. The function is not specified for growing trees,
> trimming trees, nor burning trees. Its behavior depends
> on the optional callback functions passed into it. By
> default, it only walks through the hierarchy structure
> without doing anything, except using some system
> resources. That\xE2\x80'x99s what I mean
> generic.

So long as the module doesn't seriously break the
perl distro there isn't any harm in putting it out
there. Given the function of it is simple, work on
creating a simple, well-documented interface. You
could end up with a module that people use because
they can use it :-)


-- 
Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508
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From jon at jrock.us  Sat Feb 17 04:32:46 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:32:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is it worth to be put in CPAN?
In-Reply-To: <993567.79782.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <993567.79782.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200702170632.47348.jon@jrock.us>

On Friday 16 February 2007 14:24, tiger peng wrote:
> Finally, I got time to put my Data::Hierarchy::Traverser module on CPAN.
>
> If you have time, please take a look and I am more than willing to hear any
> feedback from you.
>
> http://search.cpan.org/~tigerperl/Data-Hierarchy-Traverser-0.01/lib/Data/Hi
>erarchy/Traverser.pm

Looks like Data::Visitor::Callback.

-- 
package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do {
$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;
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From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 12:37:38 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:37:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PM T-Shirts
Message-ID: <49d805d70702171237r38ad5618i369da941606ac908@mail.gmail.com>

So, I've had some of your Perl Mongers t-shirts in my possession for a
while because I haven't ran into you at a PM meeting or, I was a
bonehead and forgot to bring it to a meeting that you were at.
Anyway, as far as I can tell, these are the people that I still have
shirts for:

 * Scott Hendrith
 * Elias Lutfallah
 * Ray Donovan
 * Brad Doty
 * Alan Mead

If you are on the list, please let me know if you'll be going to a PM
meeting soon... like the February 20th meeting downtown at Performics.
 If not, email me so that we can arrange delivery.

Thanks,
Josh

From amead2 at alanmead.org  Sat Feb 17 14:19:49 2007
From: amead2 at alanmead.org (Alan Mead)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:19:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PM T-Shirts
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70702171237r38ad5618i369da941606ac908@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70702171237r38ad5618i369da941606ac908@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D77F85.3040908@alanmead.org>

Josh,

I can paypal you the money or send you some money.  I took a job
teaching at IIT and I teach in the evenings on Monday and Tuesday.  So I
will not see you 2/20. 

If you want to get rid of it (or, actually, I think I wanted 2), you can
give it to a deserving PMer or mail it to me or whatever you'd like.  If
you mail it, add something for postal and let me know what to send you.

-Alan


Joshua McAdams wrote:
> So, I've had some of your Perl Mongers t-shirts in my possession for a
> while because I haven't ran into you at a PM meeting or, I was a
> bonehead and forgot to bring it to a meeting that you were at.
> Anyway, as far as I can tell, these are the people that I still have
> shirts for:
>
>  * Scott Hendrith
>  * Elias Lutfallah
>  * Ray Donovan
>  * Brad Doty
>  * Alan Mead
>
> If you are on the list, please let me know if you'll be going to a PM
> meeting soon... like the February 20th meeting downtown at Performics.
>  If not, email me so that we can arrange delivery.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>   


-- 
Alan D. Mead, Ph.D. : Skype ID alandmead
amead at alanmead.org  : +815-588-3846

Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable.



From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 19:34:50 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:34:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PM T-Shirts
In-Reply-To: <45D77F85.3040908@alanmead.org>
References: <49d805d70702171237r38ad5618i369da941606ac908@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D77F85.3040908@alanmead.org>
Message-ID: <49d805d70702191934t6ceda13fs9f6724ddcb0e4bdc@mail.gmail.com>

> If you want to get rid of it (or, actually, I think I wanted 2), you can
> give it to a deserving PMer or mail it to me or whatever you'd like.  If
> you mail it, add something for postal and let me know what to send you.

Either way is fine with me... it's no problem to drop it in the mail
though.  Just let me know your address and I'll get you the amount
after I ship them.  Most likely I'll just put them in one of those
pre-paid USPS boxes unless I can find something laying around here.

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 08:53:29 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:53:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd:  Dynamic Language Hootenanny: NEW DATE
In-Reply-To: <7AAD8E7C-B502-49CC-A764-9DD1A72ADBFB@petdance.com>
References: <7AAD8E7C-B502-49CC-A764-9DD1A72ADBFB@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70702200853l11e691f9lc174e357581e5858@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder... meeting today!!

We've moved the date of the city meeting back a week to February
20th.  Sorry for any inconvenience.  Email Chris McAvoy (his
gmail.com address is "chris.mcavoy") if you're coming to the city
presentation, so that you can get on the list at the security desk.

xoa

....

Chris McAvoy will be rounding up the big four dynamic languages in a
rootin'-tootin' look at what's what in the world of Perl, PHP, Python
and Ruby.  Is PHP just for script-slinging marketdroids?  Do Python's
whitespace rules really suck as much as you'd think?  Is Ruby more
than Rails?  And what's up with Perl 6 anyway?

Chris promises to make this a no-BS, no-bashing, honest look at the
strengths and weaknesses of each of these languages.  Come with an
open mind and we'll explore the limitless frontiers of awesome
programming.

Chris will be presenting both in the city and the suburbs this month:

* in Wheaton at IIT Rice campus on Feb 13, 2007
   http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?
2007_02_13_dynamic_language_hootenanny

* in the city at Performics on Feb 20, 2007
   http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?
2007_02_20_dynamic_language_hootenanny

Come on out and learn some new tricks!

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance




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From tom at yarrish.com  Tue Feb 20 09:51:10 2007
From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:51:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Mentor program/website
Message-ID: <01278E56-A100-4534-8CFA-4E9AE55ACF15@yarrish.com>

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Hey all,
I was listening to the latest Perlcast interview on the way to work  
this morning, and started to think about something that Uri said  
towards the end of the interview.  Mostly about his love of the Perl  
community and how he's seen issues getting quality Perl programmers  
into jobs where they are needed.
So I started thinking about how I've struggled to learn Perl over the  
last few years (mainly because I don't work in a job where I can  
program at all really), and how it would be nice to "pair up" with  
someone in a student/teacher scenario.  Then I started thinking about  
a mentor program that was started on the Binary Revolution website  
(http://www.binrev.com/projects/mentors.html if anyone is  
interested), and I thought "Why not Perl?"
Now part of this is for partially selfish reasons, since I'm hoping  
to learn Perl in the process.  But I went ahead and registered  
perlmentors.com, and I'm looking for input/ideas/help on what to put  
on the site.  I was thinking of building the site using Catalyst, so  
I'm starting the process of getting that installed on the server  
now.  I figured if it's a Perl related site, it should probably run  
in Perl.
Does anyone think this is a good idea?  Does something like this  
exist already?  I know there's Perl Monks, but that seems more to be  
a forum for help, not necessarily what I'm looking at doing.
I was also thinking this is a way I could "give back" to the Perl  
community in a "non-Perl" programming way (at least until I can  
really start some serious Perl programming).
I was thinking as well of posting this message on the perl-beginners  
list, but I figured I'd start locally first :p

Thanks,
Tom
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 10:16:54 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:16:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: Dynamic Language Hootenanny: NEW DATE
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70702200853l11e691f9lc174e357581e5858@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7AAD8E7C-B502-49CC-A764-9DD1A72ADBFB@petdance.com>
	<49d805d70702200853l11e691f9lc174e357581e5858@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0702201016u639a8a7qa7ccc9a7a6a84117@mail.gmail.com>

Also, bring a photo ID.

If you have trouble getting into the building, call me at 773 306 8955

On 2/20/07, Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a reminder... meeting today!!
>
> We've moved the date of the city meeting back a week to February
> 20th.  Sorry for any inconvenience.  Email Chris McAvoy (his
> gmail.com address is "chris.mcavoy") if you're coming to the city
> presentation, so that you can get on the list at the security desk.
>
> xoa
>
> ....
>
> Chris McAvoy will be rounding up the big four dynamic languages in a
> rootin'-tootin' look at what's what in the world of Perl, PHP, Python
> and Ruby.  Is PHP just for script-slinging marketdroids?  Do Python's
> whitespace rules really suck as much as you'd think?  Is Ruby more
> than Rails?  And what's up with Perl 6 anyway?
>
> Chris promises to make this a no-BS, no-bashing, honest look at the
> strengths and weaknesses of each of these languages.  Come with an
> open mind and we'll explore the limitless frontiers of awesome
> programming.
>
> Chris will be presenting both in the city and the suburbs this month:
>
> * in Wheaton at IIT Rice campus on Feb 13, 2007
>    http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?
> 2007_02_13_dynamic_language_hootenanny
>
> * in the city at Performics on Feb 20, 2007
>    http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?
> 2007_02_20_dynamic_language_hootenanny
>
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From mikeferrari8 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 10:46:40 2007
From: mikeferrari8 at yahoo.com (/dev/mike0)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:46:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] PM T-Shirts
Message-ID: <618546.47460.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone

I am writing a small script for work to parse an xml doc and print out data from a specific tag. Its on a windows xp box with active state perl installed, no additional modules, just the defaults. I usually use XML:Simple but am wanting to learn a bit more and understand XML:Parser. I create handlers according to the perldoc and have been using an online example (http://builder.com.com/5100-6371_14-1044612-2.html) Listing A and B for reference..

I can print out start tags, character data, and end tags for the entire xml file.. My big question is.. how the heck do i just catch one specific tag? I tried using a if statement and match operator to seach for specifics but none seem to be working.

maybe its just me, its sounds pretty noob, i am feeling a bit off today.. :-) i would think its pretty simple and am sort of stuck :-)

So using the data.xml (listing B on the web page) ..the following is the approach i am taking.


use XML::Parser;
my $xmlfile = shift;
die "Cannot find file \"$xmlfile\""
       unless -f $xmlfile;
my $parser = new XML::Parser;
$parser->setHandlers( Start => \&startElement,
                        End => \&endElement,
                       Char => \&characterData,
                    Default => \&default);
$parser->parsefile($xmlfile);

sub startElement {
      my( $parseinst, $element, %attrs ) = @_;
        if ($element =~ /url/) {
        print "$element";
       }
 }

sub endElement {
      my( $parseinst, $element ) = @_;
      # do nothing, but stay quiet
 }

sub characterData {
      my( $parseinst, $data ) = @_;
        if ($data = /url/) {
        print "$data\n ";
        }
 }

sub default {

      my( $parseinst, $data ) = @_;
        # do nothing, but stay quiet
 }


The problem as i think it boils down to is.. if the xml tag is <url> i want to print out the character data between the start and end tag for it.. basically <url> print whats here</url>.

Seems simple. but i am stuck.

Thanks
Mike
 
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From mikeferrari8 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 10:48:52 2007
From: mikeferrari8 at yahoo.com (/dev/mike0)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:48:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] XML::parser
Message-ID: <672250.47805.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I should have edited the title in my previous email :-)
 
http://www.mikeferrari.com
http://www.chromeczars.com
http://www.hunnertcarpileup.com

----- Original Message ----
From: /dev/mike0 <mikeferrari8 at yahoo.com>
To: Chicago.pm chatter <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:46:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] PM T-Shirts

Hi Everyone

I am writing a small script for work to parse an xml doc and print out data from a specific tag. Its on a windows xp box with active state perl installed, no additional modules, just the defaults. I usually use XML:Simple but am wanting to learn a bit more and understand XML:Parser. I create handlers according to the perldoc and have been using an online example (http://builder.com.com/5100-6371_14-1044612-2.html) Listing A and B for reference..

I can print out start tags, character data, and end tags for the entire xml file.. My big question is.. how the heck do i just catch one specific tag? I tried using a if statement and match operator to seach for specifics but none seem to be working.

maybe its just me, its sounds pretty noob, i am feeling a bit off today.. :-) i would think its pretty simple and am sort of stuck :-)

So using the data.xml (listing B on the web page) ..the following is the approach i am taking.


use XML::Parser;
my $xmlfile = shift;
die "Cannot find file \"$xmlfile\""
       unless -f $xmlfile;
my $parser = new XML::Parser;
$parser->setHandlers( Start => \&startElement,
                        End => \&endElement,
                       Char => \&characterData,
                    Default => \&default);
$parser->parsefile($xmlfile);

sub startElement {
      my( $parseinst, $element, %attrs ) = @_;
        if ($element =~ /url/) {
        print "$element";
       }
 }

sub endElement {
      my( $parseinst, $element ) = @_;
      # do nothing, but stay quiet
 }

sub characterData {
      my( $parseinst, $data ) = @_;
        if ($data = /url/) {
        print "$data\n ";
        }
 }

sub default {

      my( $parseinst, $data ) = @_;
        # do nothing, but stay quiet
 }


The problem as i think it boils down to is.. if the xml tag is <url> i want to print out the character data between the start and end tag for it.. basically <url> print whats here</url>.

Seems simple. but i am stuck.

Thanks
Mike
 
http://www.mikeferrari.com
http://www.chromeczars.com
http://www.hunnertcarpileup.com





 
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From frag at ripco.com  Tue Feb 20 13:29:03 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:29:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] XML::parser
In-Reply-To: <672250.47805.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <672250.47805.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0702201508580.19813@shell3>


Basically, you need to use the start and end handlers to keep track of 
when you enter and leave your chosen tag, in a separate variable.
Then the character handler checks this variable, and prints if it's ok.
(See my edits below.)

Note that this is very simple, and falls down in more complicated xml. 
E.g. if you have complicated nesting of tags:
   <url> foo <bar>x</bar> </url>
then this approach will print the 'x' as well as the 'foo'.  If that's 
a concern, you can use a stack instead of a single variable to hold the
xml tag names.

Also, it's probably a good idea to use "$element eq 'url'" instead of a 
regex match.

-- Mike F.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, /dev/mike0 wrote:
>
>

> use XML::Parser;
> my $xmlfile = shift;
> die "Cannot find file \"$xmlfile\""
>       unless -f $xmlfile;
> my $parser = new XML::Parser;
> $parser->setHandlers( Start => \&startElement,
>                        End => \&endElement,
>                       Char => \&characterData,
>                    Default => \&default);
> $parser->parsefile($xmlfile);

my $inside_url_tag;

> sub startElement {
>      my( $parseinst, $element, %attrs ) = @_;
>        if ($element =~ /url/) {
>        print "$element";
          $inside_url_tag = 1;
>       }
> }
>
> sub endElement {
>      my( $parseinst, $element ) = @_;
>      # do nothing, but stay quiet
        if ($element =~ /url/) {
           $inside_url_tag = 0;
        }
> }
>
> sub characterData {
>      my( $parseinst, $data ) = @_;
#        if ($data = /url/) {
          if ($inside_url_tag) {
>             print "$data\n ";
>        }
> }
>
> sub default {
>
>      my( $parseinst, $data ) = @_;
>        # do nothing, but stay quiet
> }
>
>
> The problem as i think it boils down to is.. if the xml tag is <url> i want to print out the character data between the start and end tag for it.. basically <url> print whats here</url>.
>
> Seems simple. but i am stuck.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
> http://www.mikeferrari.com
> http://www.chromeczars.com
> http://www.hunnertcarpileup.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 15:31:05 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:31:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Notes for Tonight
Message-ID: <3096c19d0702201531x35d7bb4aw2755ee3f3c92eaef@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The notes I'm going to be using for tonight's presentation are at
http://lonelylion.com/mcavoy_public/presentations/language_hootenanny.txt
 That's a subversion repository, so you can check it out too if you're
so inclined: svn co http://lonelylion.com/mcavoy_public

There's some other projects in there that I'll be referencing in the project.

I also HTML'ized the  notes and threw them up on my blog:
http://weblog.lonelylion.com/2007/02/20/notes-for-tonights-chicagopm-meeting/

Chris

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 17:29:08 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:29:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Mentor program/website
In-Reply-To: <01278E56-A100-4534-8CFA-4E9AE55ACF15@yarrish.com>
References: <01278E56-A100-4534-8CFA-4E9AE55ACF15@yarrish.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70702201729i7d7edd78j9eff36fc41fa9fea@mail.gmail.com>

There once was a website that attempted to link up Perl programmers
and learners... actually, I just found it at
http://apprentice.perl.org/.  Anyway, it looks like it has gotten
stale.  PerlMentor.com seems like a great idea.  I'm actually learning
catalyst atm and would love to help out.

On 2/20/07, Tom Yarrish <tom at yarrish.com> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hey all,
> I was listening to the latest Perlcast interview on the way to work
> this morning, and started to think about something that Uri said
> towards the end of the interview.  Mostly about his love of the Perl
> community and how he's seen issues getting quality Perl programmers
> into jobs where they are needed.
> So I started thinking about how I've struggled to learn Perl over the
> last few years (mainly because I don't work in a job where I can
> program at all really), and how it would be nice to "pair up" with
> someone in a student/teacher scenario.  Then I started thinking about
> a mentor program that was started on the Binary Revolution website
> (http://www.binrev.com/projects/mentors.html if anyone is
> interested), and I thought "Why not Perl?"
> Now part of this is for partially selfish reasons, since I'm hoping
> to learn Perl in the process.  But I went ahead and registered
> perlmentors.com, and I'm looking for input/ideas/help on what to put
> on the site.  I was thinking of building the site using Catalyst, so
> I'm starting the process of getting that installed on the server
> now.  I figured if it's a Perl related site, it should probably run
> in Perl.
> Does anyone think this is a good idea?  Does something like this
> exist already?  I know there's Perl Monks, but that seems more to be
> a forum for help, not necessarily what I'm looking at doing.
> I was also thinking this is a way I could "give back" to the Perl
> community in a "non-Perl" programming way (at least until I can
> really start some serious Perl programming).
> I was thinking as well of posting this message on the perl-beginners
> list, but I figured I'd start locally first :p
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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From mikeferrari8 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 19:57:54 2007
From: mikeferrari8 at yahoo.com (/dev/mike0)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:57:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] XML::parser
Message-ID: <749621.95311.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

One Mike F to another Mike F ... thanks!

Mike F
 
http://www.mikeferrari.com
http://www.chromeczars.com
http://www.hunnertcarpileup.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Fragassi <frag at ripco.com>
To: Chicago.pm chatter <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:29:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] XML::parser


Basically, you need to use the start and end handlers to keep track of 
when you enter and leave your chosen tag, in a separate variable.
Then the character handler checks this variable, and prints if it's ok.
(See my edits below.)

Note that this is very simple, and falls down in more complicated xml. 
E.g. if you have complicated nesting of tags:
   <url> foo <bar>x</bar> </url>
then this approach will print the 'x' as well as the 'foo'.  If that's 
a concern, you can use a stack instead of a single variable to hold the
xml tag names.

Also, it's probably a good idea to use "$element eq 'url'" instead of a 
regex match.

-- Mike F.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, /dev/mike0 wrote:
>
>

> use XML::Parser;
> my $xmlfile = shift;
> die "Cannot find file \"$xmlfile\""
>       unless -f $xmlfile;
> my $parser = new XML::Parser;
> $parser->setHandlers( Start => \&startElement,
>                        End => \&endElement,
>                       Char => \&characterData,
>                    Default => \&default);
> $parser->parsefile($xmlfile);

my $inside_url_tag;

> sub startElement {
>      my( $parseinst, $element, %attrs ) = @_;
>        if ($element =~ /url/) {
>        print "$element";
          $inside_url_tag = 1;
>       }
> }
>
> sub endElement {
>      my( $parseinst, $element ) = @_;
>      # do nothing, but stay quiet
        if ($element =~ /url/) {
           $inside_url_tag = 0;
        }
> }
>
> sub characterData {
>      my( $parseinst, $data ) = @_;
#        if ($data = /url/) {
          if ($inside_url_tag) {
>             print "$data\n ";
>        }
> }
>
> sub default {
>
>      my( $parseinst, $data ) = @_;
>        # do nothing, but stay quiet
> }
>
>
> The problem as i think it boils down to is.. if the xml tag is <url> i want to print out the character data between the start and end tag for it.. basically <url> print whats here</url>.
>
> Seems simple. but i am stuck.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
> http://www.mikeferrari.com
> http://www.chromeczars.com
> http://www.hunnertcarpileup.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From tom at yarrish.com  Tue Feb 20 20:15:17 2007
From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:15:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Mentor program/website
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70702201729i7d7edd78j9eff36fc41fa9fea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01278E56-A100-4534-8CFA-4E9AE55ACF15@yarrish.com>
	<49d805d70702201729i7d7edd78j9eff36fc41fa9fea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD7B453C-894D-49D5-83B2-CE6BA86DB70E@yarrish.com>

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On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:29 PM, Joshua McAdams wrote:

> There once was a website that attempted to link up Perl programmers
> and learners... actually, I just found it at
> http://apprentice.perl.org/.  Anyway, it looks like it has gotten
> stale.  PerlMentor.com seems like a great idea.  I'm actually learning
> catalyst atm and would love to help out.
>
> On 2/20/07, Tom Yarrish <tom at yarrish.com> wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I was listening to the latest Perlcast interview on the way to work
>> this morning, and started to think about something that Uri said
>> towards the end of the interview.  Mostly about his love of the Perl
>> community and how he's seen issues getting quality Perl programmers
>> into jobs where they are needed.
>> So I started thinking about how I've struggled to learn Perl over the
>> last few years (mainly because I don't work in a job where I can
>> program at all really), and how it would be nice to "pair up" with
>> someone in a student/teacher scenario.  Then I started thinking about
>> a mentor program that was started on the Binary Revolution website
>> (http://www.binrev.com/projects/mentors.html if anyone is
>> interested), and I thought "Why not Perl?"
>> Now part of this is for partially selfish reasons, since I'm hoping
>> to learn Perl in the process.  But I went ahead and registered
>> perlmentors.com, and I'm looking for input/ideas/help on what to put
>> on the site.  I was thinking of building the site using Catalyst, so
>> I'm starting the process of getting that installed on the server
>> now.  I figured if it's a Perl related site, it should probably run
>> in Perl.
>> Does anyone think this is a good idea?  Does something like this
>> exist already?  I know there's Perl Monks, but that seems more to be
>> a forum for help, not necessarily what I'm looking at doing.
>> I was also thinking this is a way I could "give back" to the Perl
>> community in a "non-Perl" programming way (at least until I can
>> really start some serious Perl programming).
>> I was thinking as well of posting this message on the perl-beginners
>> list, but I figured I'd start locally first :p
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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Didn't notice that site before.  It doesn't seem like any of the  
projects actually had any work done however.  But it's similar to the  
idea I had.

Overall I was thinking in the line of "Okay, I've read the Llama, and  
Intermediate Perl, but I don't program for a living, so what's next?"  
sort of thing.  Maybe break it into a section where there are  
assignments like the end of the Perl book chapters (or from Randal's  
Perls of Wisdom) but give the project and then one possible idea.

I'd love the help in getting the site up on Catalyst, I just need to  
figure out how to get the framework installed on Dreamhost (was  
trying that all day without success).  So I may just throw up a  
starter page tomorrow to get the ball rolling, and get some attention  
to it and build it up from there.

If there's any other suggestions that people have to add to it, sort  
of a "I wish they had x when I was learning Perl" I'd love to hear it.

Tom

We crucify ourselves between two thieves- regret for yesterday and  
fear of tomorrow.



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From jon at jrock.us  Tue Feb 20 23:22:30 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:22:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Mentor program/website
In-Reply-To: <AD7B453C-894D-49D5-83B2-CE6BA86DB70E@yarrish.com>
References: <01278E56-A100-4534-8CFA-4E9AE55ACF15@yarrish.com>
	<49d805d70702201729i7d7edd78j9eff36fc41fa9fea@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD7B453C-894D-49D5-83B2-CE6BA86DB70E@yarrish.com>
Message-ID: <200702210122.32221.jon@jrock.us>

On Tuesday 20 February 2007 22:15, Tom Yarrish wrote:
> I'd love the help in getting the site up on Catalyst, I just need to
> figure out how to get the framework installed on Dreamhost (was
> trying that all day without success).  

http://dev.catalystframework.org/wiki/Dreamhost

-- 
package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do {
$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;
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From andy at petdance.com  Wed Feb 21 07:00:40 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:00:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Hootenanny recap
Message-ID: <4809AB0A-F9E2-4276-B55A-561181A54DCF@petdance.com>

I wrote some notes about last night's meeting:

http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi? 
2007_02_20_dynamic_language_hootenanny

Please stop by and add your own comments, too.

xoxo,
Andy

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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 09:03:18 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:03:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Ruby DSL
Message-ID: <3096c19d0702210903g1786140cp13e979cd847bbdd6@mail.gmail.com>

Nola's blog (http://www.rubygeek.com/2007/02/20/windy-city-perl-meeting/)
said something about wanting to know more about the Ruby DSL example I
showed last night, I wrote up something this morning:
http://weblog.lonelylion.com/2007/02/21/a-very-simple-ruby-dsl-example/

Chris

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 11:21:25 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:21:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] One more followup...
Message-ID: <3096c19d0702211121g4f0a137bmf80ce2d69cd5153b@mail.gmail.com>

For Mike and anyone else last night that wasn't really connecting with
Ruby blocks:

http://dablog.rubypal.com/articles/2007/02/18/the-magic-pens-of-ruby

Chris

From JJacobus at PonyX.com  Wed Feb 21 15:41:27 2007
From: JJacobus at PonyX.com (Jim Jacobus)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:41:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is it running from cron?
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221173611.0388fd50@SurplusRecord.com>

Is there an easy way to test if a script is running from cron? I want 
one script to output differently if it is running with a browser and 
another output when running via cron. I tried using -t to test STDIN 
and STDOUT, but that only tells me if it's running interactively or not. 


From andy at petdance.com  Wed Feb 21 15:43:51 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:43:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is it running from cron?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221173611.0388fd50@SurplusRecord.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221173611.0388fd50@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <F563BC72-032C-4FCB-96F4-751EF0FE4C15@petdance.com>


On Feb 21, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Jim Jacobus wrote:

> Is there an easy way to test if a script is running from cron? I want
> one script to output differently if it is running with a browser and
> another output when running via cron. I tried using -t to test STDIN
> and STDOUT, but that only tells me if it's running interactively or  
> not.

What does "from cron" mean?  You can tell if it's running in a web  
server process vs. running from the command line, 'cause the web  
server process will likely have an environment variable like MOD_PERL  
or CGI set.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 16:25:25 2007
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:25:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is it running from cron?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221173611.0388fd50@SurplusRecord.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221173611.0388fd50@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0702211625p4f21c48cjf678482337f79913@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/21/07, Jim Jacobus <JJacobus at ponyx.com> wrote:
> Is there an easy way to test if a script is running from cron? I want
> one script to output differently if it is running with a browser and
> another output when running via cron. I tried using -t to test STDIN
> and STDOUT, but that only tells me if it's running interactively or not.

I like to set a variable in my cron tab. I can then check for that in
my script if I decide that I want to act differently:

FROM_CRON=1
1 2 3 4 5 /some/command some args

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 16:29:36 2007
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:29:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is it running from cron?
In-Reply-To: <F563BC72-032C-4FCB-96F4-751EF0FE4C15@petdance.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221173611.0388fd50@SurplusRecord.com>
	<F563BC72-032C-4FCB-96F4-751EF0FE4C15@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0702211629l6677fbafwebc0bbf7931d9564@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/21/07, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:

> What does "from cron" mean?

There's a unix daemon called crond that runs commands at prescribed
times. Commands so run are said to run "from cron".

> You can tell if it's running in a web
> server process vs. running from the command line, 'cause the web
> server process will likely have an environment variable like MOD_PERL
> or CGI set.

mod_perl will set a MOD_PERL environment variable, but there usually
isn't something called CGI. Various things such as REQUEST_METHOD,
GATEWAY_INTERFACE, and HTTP_METHOD are usual for detecting web
transactions.

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From jon at jrock.us  Wed Feb 21 16:29:57 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:29:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is it running from cron?
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0702211625p4f21c48cjf678482337f79913@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221173611.0388fd50@SurplusRecord.com>
	<2715accf0702211625p4f21c48cjf678482337f79913@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200702211829.57545.jon@jrock.us>

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 18:25, brian d foy wrote:
> I like to set a variable in my cron tab. I can then check for that in
> my script if I decide that I want to act differently:
>
> FROM_CRON=1
> 1 2 3 4 5 /some/command some args

That's the safest technique.  

I'm pretty sure that MAILTO is set by default also, and that's not usually set 
outside of cron.

-- 
package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do {
$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;

From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Thu Feb 22 09:26:08 2007
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:26:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is it running from cron?
In-Reply-To: <200702211829.57545.jon@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <OFD29942AE.2CFA1088-ON8625728A.005B474F-0625728A.005FC13C@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

> >
> FROM_CRON=1
> 1 2 3 4 5 /some/command some args

Couple hints - best to make a script and run that instead of a command, as 
you can alter the script as needed. You can also set all the vars you 
want. Modern (Vixie-ish) crons set some env vars (see
man 5 crontab
  Several  environment  variables are set up automatically by the cron(8)
       daemon.  SHELL is set to /bin/sh, and LOGNAME and HOME are set from 
the
       /etc/passwd  line  of the crontab?s owner.  HOME and SHELL may be 
over-
       ridden by settings in the crontab; LOGNAME may not.

       (Another note: the LOGNAME variable is sometimes  called  USER  on 
BSD
       systems...  on these systems, USER will be set also.)

       In addition to LOGNAME, HOME, and SHELL, cron(8) will look at 
MAILTO if
       it has any reason to send mail as  a  result  of  running  commands 
 in
       ??this??  crontab.   If MAILTO is defined (and non-empty), mail is 
sent
       to the user so named.  If MAILTO is defined but empty  (MAILTO=""), 
 no
       mail will be sent. 
...
       Environment variables can be set in the crontab.  In BSD  or  ATT, 
the
       environment  handed  to  child  processes  is  basically  the  one 
from
       /etc/rc.

But note - expansions *don't* work, e.g.
PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin

won't give (/bin:/usr/bin is the standard cron-given path ... so FQ 
executable names is always worth it - even if it is /bin/grep)
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin

but:
$PATH:/usr/local/bin

(just put:
PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin
6 11 * * * root /bin/echo $PATH

in /etc/cron.d/test - as long as the set time is more than a minute away 
from now). 

a

Andy Bach
Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

"Procrastination is like putting lots and lots of commas in the sentence 
of your life."
Ze Frank 
http://lifehacker.com/software/procrastination/ze-frank-on-procrastination-235859.php

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Thu Feb 22 14:42:12 2007
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:42:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Is it running from cron?
In-Reply-To: <OFD29942AE.2CFA1088-ON8625728A.005B474F-0625728A.005FC13C@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <OFD29942AE.2CFA1088-ON8625728A.005B474F-0625728A.005FC13C@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <45DE1C44.80704@wrkhors.com>


> Couple hints - best to make a script and run that instead of a command, as
> you can alter the script as needed. You can also set all the vars you
> want. Modern (Vixie-ish) crons set some env vars (see
> man 5 crontab

Var's in crontab are minimal standard shell; you
may even find them in a web server. Easiest way to
make the executable internally cron-safe I've seen
is add a switch:

  frobnicate --crontab
  frobnicate --apache

Using an env var leaves the thing runnable but incorrect
on the cron side of life -- and dropping an extra row is
all too easy. With the switch at least the distinction
becomes part of the required command line so you either
get it or puke.

-- 
Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From me at heyjay.com  Fri Feb 23 13:18:21 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:18:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] parsing HTML
Message-ID: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I need to parse out the text from HTML like:

<SPAN class="main-body"><B>Street Address</B></SPAN>

to pluck out "Street Address"

or

<SPAN class="main-body">
                                <span id="UcGeoResult11_lbZipCode"><font color="
Navy">60643</font></span></SPAN>

to pluck out "60643"

Would you suggest using a regex (that I can't get to work) or some
module (like HTML::Parser)?

Thanks
Jay

From jim at jimandkoka.com  Fri Feb 23 13:34:56 2007
From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:34:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] parsing HTML
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70702231334p149f05afi751ef59404e73e6a@mail.gmail.com>

How much control do you have over the HTML that you're parsing? If you
can make reasonable assumptions about its structure, your life is much
easier. I'm a big proponent of using regexes to keep your life simple
instead of parsers or new modules or whatnot. But, if you have no
control about your source HTML, a parser from the getgo would probably
make your life easier.

Yes, yes, yes, insert standard lines here about how if the job gets
much more complicated, you may need to go back and re-engineer to use
a parser. Yadda yadda yadda.

So, what do you know about this data? for example, would />([^<]+)</
do what you want?

I suppose />(\s*[^<\s][^<]*)</ if you want to extract something with a
non-whitespace character.

-Jim.....

On 2/23/07, Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to parse out the text from HTML like:
>
> <SPAN class="main-body"><B>Street Address</B></SPAN>
>
> to pluck out "Street Address"
>
> or
>
> <SPAN class="main-body">
>                                 <span id="UcGeoResult11_lbZipCode"><font color="
> Navy">60643</font></span></SPAN>
>
> to pluck out "60643"
>
> Would you suggest using a regex (that I can't get to work) or some
> module (like HTML::Parser)?
>
> Thanks
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

From andy at petdance.com  Fri Feb 23 13:35:36 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:35:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] parsing HTML
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9CF606C-3A41-419C-9CFD-C7992E8C9A3B@petdance.com>


On Feb 23, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Jay Strauss wrote:

> Would you suggest using a regex (that I can't get to work) or some
> module (like HTML::Parser)?

If all you want is the text, look at WWW::Mechanize's  ->content()  
method.

http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-Mechanize/lib/WWW/Mechanize.pm#% 
24mech-%3Econtent(...)

$mech->content( format => "text" )

     Returns a text-only version of the page, with all HTML markup  
stripped. This feature requires HTML::TreeBuilder to be installed, or  
a fatal error will be thrown.


--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From me at heyjay.com  Fri Feb 23 13:50:24 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:50:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] parsing HTML
In-Reply-To: <D9CF606C-3A41-419C-9CFD-C7992E8C9A3B@petdance.com>
References: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
	<D9CF606C-3A41-419C-9CFD-C7992E8C9A3B@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <aabc51b60702231350p5a0f0d3fleaaeb42ce25e554@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 23, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Jay Strauss wrote:
>
> > Would you suggest using a regex (that I can't get to work) or some
> > module (like HTML::Parser)?
>
> If all you want is the text, look at WWW::Mechanize's  ->content()
> method.
>
> http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-Mechanize/lib/WWW/Mechanize.pm#%
> 24mech-%3Econtent(...)
>
> $mech->content( format => "text" )
>
>      Returns a text-only version of the page, with all HTML markup
> stripped. This feature requires HTML::TreeBuilder to be installed, or
> a fatal error will be thrown.

I'm already using mech, but I have to parse a specific table the code
I'm using is below.  Is there a way to make mech return just text of a
table?

	use WWW::Mechanize;
	use HTML::TableContentParser;
	use Data::Dumper;

   my $mech = WWW::Mechanize->new();

   $mech->get( 'http://www.ffiec.gov/Geocode/default.aspx' );

   $mech->form_name("Form1");

   $mech->submit_form(
		form_name => "Form1",
		fields => {
		   txtZipCode	=> $someZip,
		   txtAddress	=> $someAddress,
		},
		button => "btnSearch",
	);

   my $p = HTML::TableContentParser->new();
   my $tables_ref = $p->parse($mech->content);

	(my $geo_data) = grep { $_->{id} =~ /table2/i } @$tables_ref;

	if ($geo_data) {

		foreach my $row (@{$geo_data->{rows}}) {

			foreach my $cell (@{$row->{cells}}) {
				$cell->{data} =~ />(\s*[^<\s][^<]*)</;
				print $1,"\n";
			}		
	}
	}
	else { # Address not found
		$na = 'n/a';
		#return ($na, $na, $na);
	}

From me at heyjay.com  Fri Feb 23 13:50:54 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:50:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] parsing HTML
In-Reply-To: <5cfdfaf70702231334p149f05afi751ef59404e73e6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
	<5cfdfaf70702231334p149f05afi751ef59404e73e6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aabc51b60702231350v19211c6cncaabdb4b814b8c9f@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/23/07, Jim Thomason <jim at jimandkoka.com> wrote:
> How much control do you have over the HTML that you're parsing? If you
> can make reasonable assumptions about its structure, your life is much
> easier. I'm a big proponent of using regexes to keep your life simple
> instead of parsers or new modules or whatnot. But, if you have no
> control about your source HTML, a parser from the getgo would probably
> make your life easier.
>
> Yes, yes, yes, insert standard lines here about how if the job gets
> much more complicated, you may need to go back and re-engineer to use
> a parser. Yadda yadda yadda.
>
> So, what do you know about this data? for example, would />([^<]+)</
> do what you want?
>
> I suppose />(\s*[^<\s][^<]*)</ if you want to extract something with a
> non-whitespace character.
>
> -Jim.....

I have zero control over the HTML returned.  I'm parsing the results of

http://www.ffiec.gov/Geocode/default.aspx

From jon at jrock.us  Fri Feb 23 14:09:53 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:09:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] parsing HTML
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45DF6631.6030307@jrock.us>

Jay Strauss wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I need to parse out the text from HTML like:
> 
> <SPAN class="main-body"><B>Street Address</B></SPAN>
> 
> to pluck out "Street Address"
> 
> or
> 
> <SPAN class="main-body">
>                                 <span id="UcGeoResult11_lbZipCode"><font color="
> Navy">60643</font></span></SPAN>
> 
> to pluck out "60643"
> 
> Would you suggest using a regex (that I can't get to work) or some
> module (like HTML::Parser)?

I'm thinking you want HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath.  (XPath is like SQL for
trees.)

http://search.cpan.org/~mirod/HTML-TreeBuilder-XPath-0.08/lib/HTML/TreeBuilder/XPath.pm

Then you can do something like

 use HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath;
 my $tree= HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath->new;
 $tree->parse_file( "mypage.html");
 my $zip = $html->
   findnodes('//span[@id="UcGeoResult11_lbZibCode"]/font');

If you're lucky, you can do:

 my @zips = ... /span[@class="main-body"]/span/font[@color="Navy"]

or something similar to get a list of all zips instead of just a single
row.  Or you can do:

 my @data;
 my @rows = ... /span[@class="main-body"]/span
 foreach my $r (@rows){
   my $row;
   $row->{zip}  = $r-> ... /span/font[@color="Navy"];
   $row->{state}= $r-> ... /span/font[@color="Red, maybe?"];
     # etc.
   push @data, $row;
 }

Now @data is a beautifully organized data set!  (Until they change their
colors, of course -- but that's what life is like for screen-scrapers.)

Details of XPath are here: http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath

If you want to try out XPath queries visually in Firefox, get this
extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1095/

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

-- 
package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do {
$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;

From me at heyjay.com  Fri Feb 23 14:11:58 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:11:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] parsing HTML
In-Reply-To: <5cfdfaf70702231334p149f05afi751ef59404e73e6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
	<5cfdfaf70702231334p149f05afi751ef59404e73e6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aabc51b60702231411v445ca8ajcf5ff9f0fcf37be8@mail.gmail.com>

> I suppose />(\s*[^<\s][^<]*)</ if you want to extract something with a
> non-whitespace character.

I don't understand that regex.

match a ">" and memorize 0 or more whitespaces, followed by characters
not< and whitespace, followed by 0 or more not<, end memorize followed
by <.

how come />(\s*[^<]*)</ doesn't work?

Thanks
Jay

From jim at jimandkoka.com  Fri Feb 23 15:45:00 2007
From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:45:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] parsing HTML
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60702231411v445ca8ajcf5ff9f0fcf37be8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
	<5cfdfaf70702231334p149f05afi751ef59404e73e6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<aabc51b60702231411v445ca8ajcf5ff9f0fcf37be8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70702231545v7523f0c7pb5e2b08f8d6c5e8d@mail.gmail.com>

> how come />(\s*[^<]*)</ doesn't work?

Define "doesn't work". That regex will extract the text from between
angle brackets (i.e., stuff outside of HTML tags) (assuming valid
html, blah blah blah), but it also extracts blank space. Such as this:

<b>     </b>

\s* would match all the spaces, then [^<]* would match nothing. It's a
fine regex if you don't mind extracting out empty snippets. But, in
that case, />([^<]*)</ will work just as well, since the spaces will
just be captured by the [^<]*. Note that by using * you allow for
matching nothing, ala <b></b>


>> I suppose />(\s*[^<\s][^<]*)</ if you want to extract something with a
>> non-whitespace character.
>I don't understand that regex.

Break it down. It matches 0 or more spaces, then one character that's
not a space or a <, then any number of additional characters that
aren't <'s (but could be spaces). So that regex would not match <b>
</b> or <b></b>, since there are no non-space characters in there.
"<b>   string   </b>" would be matched by either regex.

-Jim.....

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Fri Feb 23 22:23:41 2007
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:23:41 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] parsing HTML
In-Reply-To: <45DF6631.6030307@jrock.us> (Jonathan Rockway's message of "Fri,
	23 Feb 2007 16:09:53 -0600")
References: <aabc51b60702231318p720d7498y41bec9b554b97e18@mail.gmail.com>
	<45DF6631.6030307@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <863b4w5b0y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us> writes:

Jonathan> I'm thinking you want HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath.  (XPath is like SQL for
Jonathan> trees.)

I have an upcoming Linux Magazine article that shows how to use that, but
compares it with XML::LibXML in HTML mode and shows that there's an *order of
magnitude* speed difference for parsing a moderate page.

So, if the speed of H::TB::X is fast enough for you, go ahead, but I'll
be using XML::LibXML instead.

-- 
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From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 05:57:10 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:57:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Dinner on Tuesday, Feb 27?
Message-ID: <43e95380702240557q351fec86rc15007ec0589237c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey we haven't done a Perl Dinner in awhile .. who's up for Tuesday?
any idea for a place to meet up?

Lets say 6:30pm ?

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From jon at jrock.us  Sat Feb 24 13:06:45 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:06:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Dinner on Tuesday, Feb 27?
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702240557q351fec86rc15007ec0589237c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702240557q351fec86rc15007ec0589237c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200702241506.45228.jon@jrock.us>

On Saturday 24 February 2007 07:57, Nola Stowe wrote:
> Hey we haven't done a Perl Dinner in awhile .. who's up for Tuesday?
> any idea for a place to meet up?
>
> Lets say 6:30pm ?

Can we do any day after Tuesday instead?  I start working downtown on 
Wednesday :)

-- 
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$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 17:00:27 2007
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:00:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Dinner on Tuesday, Feb 27?
In-Reply-To: <200702241506.45228.jon@jrock.us>
References: <43e95380702240557q351fec86rc15007ec0589237c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200702241506.45228.jon@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <2715accf0702241700y20bed4cg8d4f8503e1aac9cf@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/24/07, Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us> wrote:

> Can we do any day after Tuesday instead?  I start working downtown on
> Wednesday :)

I think we should celebrate that by taking you out to dinner on
Wednesday night :)


-- 
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http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 18:02:34 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:02:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Dinner on Tuesday, Feb 27?
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0702241700y20bed4cg8d4f8503e1aac9cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702240557q351fec86rc15007ec0589237c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200702241506.45228.jon@jrock.us>
	<2715accf0702241700y20bed4cg8d4f8503e1aac9cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380702241802o6b7ffdc0o29acee0e094ca9d1@mail.gmail.com>

I work at home on Wednesdays.. but you guys can go out anyways and
I"ll catch ya another time.

On 2/24/07, brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/07, Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us> wrote:
>
> > Can we do any day after Tuesday instead?  I start working downtown on
> > Wednesday :)
>
> I think we should celebrate that by taking you out to dinner on
> Wednesday night :)
>
>
> --
> brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
> http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
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From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 19:41:56 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:41:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: [LUNI] Flourish / Hack-a-ton
In-Reply-To: <df70bc9e0702241420j5ea2e654td2da974198969ead@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df70bc9e0702241420j5ea2e654td2da974198969ead@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70702241941yc584164h70463c55ca7c6c41@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago.pm hack-a-thon part 2?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Samir Faci <sfaci at cs.uic.edu>
Date: Feb 24, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: [LUNI] Flourish / Hack-a-ton
To: DePaul Linux Community <dlc at mailman.depaul.edu>, UIC Linux User
Group <lug at listserv.uic.edu>, luni at luni.org


we had requests from some various community members that wanted to
have a hack-a-ton event after flourish.

We have the room/resources to accommodate about 30-50 people, so it'll
end up being a mini event after flourish.  I was wondering if anyone
had any ideas, requests as far as what they'd like to see at this
event.

There is an open wiki for ideas at:

http://www.flourishconf.com/wiki/doku.php?id=hack-a-thon

or email me or the list directly

--
Samir
PS. in case this needs repeating, we're not hacking any websites,
banks, or doing anything that can be even remotely be considered
illegal.
--
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From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 12:36:31 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:36:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Dinner on Tuesday, Feb 27?
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702241802o6b7ffdc0o29acee0e094ca9d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702240557q351fec86rc15007ec0589237c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200702241506.45228.jon@jrock.us>
	<2715accf0702241700y20bed4cg8d4f8503e1aac9cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380702241802o6b7ffdc0o29acee0e094ca9d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70702251236m13757c8fs61b717b93efa36c@mail.gmail.com>

> I work at home on Wednesdays.. but you guys can go out anyways and
> I"ll catch ya another time.

I'm out too.  I'm already booked until about 8 on Wednesday.

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 13:07:36 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:07:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm March Downtown Meeting
Message-ID: <49d805d70702251307h48482a87x4a4af80b0bb17fed@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone want to present at the downtown meeting this March?  It looks
like the date will be the 27th.  If nobody steps up, I'm thinking that
a editor battle might be in order.  I've had a guy at work
re-introduce me to eclipse/epic and I'm really liking it.  Possibly a
feature show-down between everyones favorites?

From amead2 at alanmead.org  Mon Feb 26 09:07:13 2007
From: amead2 at alanmead.org (Alan Mead)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:07:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Automated testing of web apps?
Message-ID: <45E313C1.7090206@alanmead.org>

An upcoming Perl web application is going to need some testing and I'd
like to automate it. This (testing) is not like anything that I've done
previously... Does anyone have suggestions about the right module,
helpful articles, etc.?

More specifically, beyond the usual feature-based testing, I'll need to
stress test it to demonstrate scalability.  Testing the app will require
authentication but not SSL (not in v1.0, anyway).  For expediency, I'll
use an Apache layer for authentication initially, with the possibility
of a cookie-based approach later.

-Alan

-- 
Alan D. Mead, Ph.D.
Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable.

Assistant Professor
Institute of Psychology
Illinois Intitute of Technology
3101 South Dearborn, 2nd floor
Chicago IL 60616



From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 14:57:27 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:57:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Automated testing of web apps?
In-Reply-To: <45E313C1.7090206@alanmead.org>
References: <45E313C1.7090206@alanmead.org>
Message-ID: <43e95380702261457n27848f31gc3ba1585ba1d8052@mail.gmail.com>

You might look into http://selenium.openqa.org  .. specifically the Selenium RC

On 2/26/07, Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org> wrote:
> An upcoming Perl web application is going to need some testing and I'd
> like to automate it. This (testing) is not like anything that I've done
> previously... Does anyone have suggestions about the right module,
> helpful articles, etc.?
>
> More specifically, beyond the usual feature-based testing, I'll need to
> stress test it to demonstrate scalability.  Testing the app will require
> authentication but not SSL (not in v1.0, anyway).  For expediency, I'll
> use an Apache layer for authentication initially, with the possibility
> of a cookie-based approach later.
>
> -Alan
>
> --
> Alan D. Mead, Ph.D.
> Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable.
>
> Assistant Professor
> Institute of Psychology
> Illinois Intitute of Technology
> 3101 South Dearborn, 2nd floor
> Chicago IL 60616
>
>
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From jon at jrock.us  Mon Feb 26 16:57:30 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:57:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm March Downtown Meeting
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70702251307h48482a87x4a4af80b0bb17fed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70702251307h48482a87x4a4af80b0bb17fed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200702261857.31670.jon@jrock.us>

On Sunday 25 February 2007 15:07, Joshua McAdams wrote:
> Anyone want to present at the downtown meeting this March?  It looks
> like the date will be the 27th.  If nobody steps up, I'm thinking that
> a editor battle might be in order.  I've had a guy at work
> re-introduce me to eclipse/epic and I'm really liking it.  Possibly a
> feature show-down between everyones favorites?

That would be interesting (emacs wins :D).  I had in mind a brief introduction 
to Haskell, since it's a very compelling language to learn (whereas Python 
and Ruby are pretty much Perl with some minor syntactic differences).  
Learning Haskell will change the way you think about programming, which is 
always a good thing.  Did I mention it's 100x faster than Perl on average? :)

Another possible topic is web testing (prompted by the next question on the 
list).

-- 
package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do {
$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;

From jon at jrock.us  Mon Feb 26 17:15:27 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:15:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Automated testing of web apps?
In-Reply-To: <45E313C1.7090206@alanmead.org>
References: <45E313C1.7090206@alanmead.org>
Message-ID: <200702261915.32876.jon@jrock.us>

On Monday 26 February 2007 11:07, Alan Mead wrote:
> An upcoming Perl web application is going to need some testing and I'd
> like to automate it. This (testing) is not like anything that I've done
> previously... Does anyone have suggestions about the right module,
> helpful articles, etc.?

The standard perl way of testing web applications is Test::WWW::Mechanize.  
Mech gives you an web-browser-like interface that looks something like:

   $mech->get_ok('http://localhost/foo.html');
   $mech->content_contains('this is the foo page!');
   $mech->reload();
   $mech->content_contains('this is the foo page RELOADED!');
   @links = $mech->followable_links;
   # etc.

Note that there isn't an actual web browser involved; everything is done 
through LWP::UserAgent.  Oh, and the author reads this list, so if you have 
questions you'll probably get a quick answer. :)

Selenium is like Mech, except the tests pop up a real web browser (Firefox or 
IE) and run the tests inside the browser.  This is great when you're testing 
javascript, but pretty-durn-slow compared to Mech.  An advantage is that you 
can write tests interactively in the Selenium IDE and then incorporate those 
tests in your normal tests suite.  The IDE is good for recording client 
testing so you can reproduce bugs that they find as many times as it takes to 
get the issue fixed.

Something to keep in mind, though, is that you probably don't want to do all 
of your tests via mech or selenium.  If your application is well-structured, 
you should be able to easily test individual components.  Some helpful 
modules in this department are Test::MockObject (for faking parts of your app 
that you don't want to test) and Test::Class for unit testing classes.  If 
your web application framework of choice doesn't come with a test server, 
then you'll want to read up on Apache::Test.  (Now's a good time to mention 
that Catalyst applications are extremely easy to test; you can use 
Test::Catalyst for basic get/post stuff, Test::WWW::Mechanize::Catalyst if 
you want to use mech, and Test::WWW::Selenium::Catalyst if you want selenium.  
Those modules take care of the details for you, so you can just write the 
tests.)

> More specifically, beyond the usual feature-based testing, I'll need to
> stress test it to demonstrate scalability. 

This is a little different from functionality testing.  You'll probably need 
to do it "manually" with a tool like siege.

http://www.joedog.org/JoeDog/Siege

> Testing the app will require 
> authentication but not SSL (not in v1.0, anyway).  For expediency, I'll
> use an Apache layer for authentication initially, with the possibility
> of a cookie-based approach later.

Mech will handle both cookies and SSL.

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway
-- 
package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do {
$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 19:07:31 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:07:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm March Downtown Meeting
In-Reply-To: <200702261857.31670.jon@jrock.us>
References: <49d805d70702251307h48482a87x4a4af80b0bb17fed@mail.gmail.com>
	<200702261857.31670.jon@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <49d805d70702261907p546344a8u2a782b2a8eb1df2e@mail.gmail.com>

> That would be interesting (emacs wins :D).  I had in mind a brief introduction
> to Haskell, since it's a very compelling language to learn (whereas Python
> and Ruby are pretty much Perl with some minor syntactic differences).
> Learning Haskell will change the way you think about programming, which is
> always a good thing.  Did I mention it's 100x faster than Perl on average? :)
>
> Another possible topic is web testing (prompted by the next question on the
> list).

I'm open for any of those... any preferences from the list?

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 19:16:12 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:16:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm March Downtown Meeting
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70702261907p546344a8u2a782b2a8eb1df2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70702251307h48482a87x4a4af80b0bb17fed@mail.gmail.com>
	<200702261857.31670.jon@jrock.us>
	<49d805d70702261907p546344a8u2a782b2a8eb1df2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380702261916g529fde4ehe47d9b8363a7164a@mail.gmail.com>

haskell sounds fun

I'd also like to learn enough emacs to survive on a desert island
where that was my only editor, if I were ever put in such a position.
:)

On 2/26/07, Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That would be interesting (emacs wins :D).  I had in mind a brief introduction
> > to Haskell, since it's a very compelling language to learn (whereas Python
> > and Ruby are pretty much Perl with some minor syntactic differences).
> > Learning Haskell will change the way you think about programming, which is
> > always a good thing.  Did I mention it's 100x faster than Perl on average? :)
> >
> > Another possible topic is web testing (prompted by the next question on the
> > list).
>
> I'm open for any of those... any preferences from the list?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


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From jon at jrock.us  Mon Feb 26 19:49:27 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:49:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm March Downtown Meeting
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702261916g529fde4ehe47d9b8363a7164a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70702251307h48482a87x4a4af80b0bb17fed@mail.gmail.com>
	<49d805d70702261907p546344a8u2a782b2a8eb1df2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380702261916g529fde4ehe47d9b8363a7164a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200702262149.29116.jon@jrock.us>

On Monday 26 February 2007 21:16, Nola Stowe wrote:
> haskell sounds fun
>
> I'd also like to learn enough emacs to survive on a desert island
> where that was my only editor, if I were ever put in such a position.

Type Control+h then t.  emacs will tell you everything you need to know about 
it.

-- 
package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do {
$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;

From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 21:55:22 2007
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:55:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character in file with Byte Order
	Mark on SunOS
Message-ID: <127320.22280.qm@web58714.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Good Evening to All, 

Having trouble to ftp or scp utf8 files to SunOS and after googling for a while, I found that when I searched 'utf-8 byte order mark malformed SunOS', most of the top searching results relate with perl 5.8. So I hope I can get a quick help from my dear perlists.

Good night everyone, and wish I will have some good news from you tomorrow.

Ge



From jon at jrock.us  Tue Feb 27 09:15:38 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:15:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character in file with Byte
 Order Mark on SunOS
In-Reply-To: <127320.22280.qm@web58714.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <127320.22280.qm@web58714.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45E4673A.5060600@jrock.us>


tiger peng wrote:
> Having trouble to ftp or scp utf8 files to SunOS and after googling for a while, I found that when I searched 'utf-8 byte order mark malformed SunOS', most of the top searching results relate with perl 5.8. So I hope I can get a quick help from my dear perlists.

UTF-8 is just binary.  If your link can't handle 8-bit characters, then
uuencode the UTF-8 and uudecode it on the other end.  My guess is that's
not the problem -- your terminal (or shell) are probably confused by
UTF-8 and you need to play around with locales.

A bit more detail might help us find the issue, although I kind of doubt
it has *anything* to do with Perl :)

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

-- 
package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do {
$,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehton lre rekca Rockway][$_].[split //,
";$;"]->[$_].q; ;for 1..4;$,=~s;^.;;;$,});$;->setup;

From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 28 06:22:15 2007
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:22:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character in file with Byte
	Order Mark on SunOS
Message-ID: <964169.55701.qm@web58715.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I checked it again between Linux and SunOS. The malfoming is not related with BOM.

If set locales to en_US.UTF-8 on SunOS and en_US.utf8(oren_US.UTF-8, which is not shown up in locale -a) on Linux. The non-ascii7 characters are malformed; they are splited to two characters. If set both to en_US.ISO8859-1, the the are not malformed and display creactly on my xterm (PuTTy).

On Linux:
Here is the OS infor and locale setting
-> uname -a
Linux etdwag2 2.4.21-27.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Dec 1 21:59:02 EST 2004 i686
-> locale
LANG=
LC_CTYPE="en_US.utf8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.utf8"
LC_TIME="en_US.utf8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.utf8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.utf8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.utf8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.utf8"
LC_NAME="en_US.utf8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.utf8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.utf8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.utf8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.utf8"
LC_ALL=en_US.utf8


Generate file with perl:

perl -e 'for $i(253..255){print " " .       chr($i)."\t".$i."\n"}
         for $i(253..255){print chr($i).    chr($i)."\t".$i."\n"}
         for $i(253..255){print chr($i-200).chr($i)."\t".$i."\n"}
' > latin1.txt
Check the files with perl:

perl -ne 'print ord(substr($_, 0, 1)).
           "\t".ord(substr($_, 1, 1)).
           "\t".ord(substr($_, 2, 1)).
           "\t".$_' latin1.txt
32      253     9        ??     253
32      254     9        ??     254
32      255     9        ??     255
253     253     9       ????    253
254     254     9       ????    254
255     255     9       ????    255
53      253     9       5??     253
54      254     9       6??     254
55      255     9       7??     255

On 
-> uname -a
SunOS etdwdev2 5.10 Generic_118833-24 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-880
-> locale
LANG=
LC_CTYPE="C"
LC_NUMERIC="C"
LC_TIME="C"
LC_COLLATE="C"
LC_MONETARY="C"
LC_MESSAGES="C"
LC_ALL=
-> export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
-> locale
LANG=
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
# Now scp the file from Linux
# and check the file
perl -ne 'print ord(substr($_, 0, 1)).
           "\t".ord(substr($_, 1, 1)).
           "\t".ord(substr($_, 2, 1)).
           "\t".$_' latin1.txt
32      195     189      ??     253
32      195     190      ??     254
32      195     191      ??     255
195     189     195     ????    253
195     190     195     ????    254
195     191     195     ????    255
53      195     189     5??     253
54      195     190     6??     254
55      195     191     7??     255







----- Original Message ----
From: Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us>
To: Chicago.pm chatter <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:15:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character in file with Byte Order Mark on SunOS


tiger peng wrote:
> Having trouble to ftp or scp utf8 files to SunOS and after googling for a while, I found that when I searched 'utf-8 byte order mark malformed SunOS', most of the top searching results relate with perl 5.8. So I hope I can get a quick help from my dear perlists.

UTF-8 is just binary.  If your link can't handle 8-bit characters, then
uuencode the UTF-8 and uudecode it on the other end.  My guess is that's
not the problem -- your terminal (or shell) are probably confused by
UTF-8 and you need to play around with locales.

A bit more detail might help us find the issue, although I kind of doubt
it has *anything* to do with Perl :)

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

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