From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Thu Jun 1 09:51:58 2006 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:51:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] The Perl Review v2 i3 and Perl::Critic In-Reply-To: <20060601160637.2316076429@resns2o.gtwy.uscourts.gov> Message-ID: Trying to install Perl::Critic mentioned in the latest TPR and it installs, but the needed associated modules: ADAMK/Class-Inspector-1.16.tar.gz : install NO ADAMK/Config-Tiny-2.07.tar.gz : install NO ADAMK/Task-Weaken-0.99.tar.gz : install NO ADAMK/PPI-1.114.tar.gz : install NO ADAMK/Test-SubCalls-1.06.tar.gz : install NO ADAMK/Params-Util-0.14.tar.gz : install NO all failed w/ make install cp lib/Class/Inspector.pm blib/lib/Class/Inspector.pm Manifying blib/man3/Class::Inspector.3 Undefined subroutine &main::install called at -e line 1. make: *** [pure_site_install] Error 255 A couple do a huge append to the PERL5LIB but still not "sub install" available. ANy hints? a Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov VOICE: (608) 261-5738 FAX 264-5932 "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." -- Dennis - Monty Python and the Holy Grail From kent at c2group.net Thu Jun 1 10:02:35 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:02:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] The Perl Review v2 i3 and Perl::Critic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060601115756.U93542@atbash.c2group.net> I recall some difficulty get all the dependencies for Perl::Critic to install correctly under cygwin (at work) - one tactic I took was to install the dependencies manually, either via cpan or via: cd .cpan/build/Class-Inspector-1.16 && make (etc) -Kent On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov wrote: > Trying to install Perl::Critic mentioned in the latest TPR and it > installs, but the needed associated modules: > ADAMK/Class-Inspector-1.16.tar.gz : install NO > ADAMK/Config-Tiny-2.07.tar.gz : install NO > ADAMK/Task-Weaken-0.99.tar.gz : install NO > ADAMK/PPI-1.114.tar.gz : install NO > ADAMK/Test-SubCalls-1.06.tar.gz : install NO > ADAMK/Params-Util-0.14.tar.gz : install NO > > all failed w/ > make install > cp lib/Class/Inspector.pm blib/lib/Class/Inspector.pm > Manifying blib/man3/Class::Inspector.3 > Undefined subroutine &main::install called at -e line 1. > make: *** [pure_site_install] Error 255 > > A couple do a huge append to the PERL5LIB but still not "sub install" > available. > > ANy hints? > > a > > Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler > Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov > VOICE: (608) 261-5738 FAX 264-5932 > > "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system > of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the > masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." > -- Dennis - Monty Python and the Holy Grail > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From dha at panix.com Thu Jun 1 10:38:40 2006 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:38:40 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] The Perl Review v2 i3 and Perl::Critic In-Reply-To: <20060601115756.U93542@atbash.c2group.net> References: <20060601115756.U93542@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <20060601173840.GE26610@panix.com> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:02:35PM -0500, Kent Cowgill wrote: > I recall some difficulty get all the dependencies for Perl::Critic to > install correctly under cygwin (at work) - one tactic I took was to > install the dependencies manually, either via cpan or via: I reported some test failures recently, and got a message back indicating that previous installations of Perl::Critc can mess with tests in newer versions (not yet fully stabilized, don'tcha know). As suggested, I removed the previous installation manually, and everything went smoothly. HTH dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Note that reversing a cable at BOTH ends is likely to result in perfect operation of the hardware, which is not the aim of this exercise. - "How to Destroy Your Computer", From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Thu Jun 1 13:06:00 2006 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:06:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] The Perl Review v2 i3 and Perl::Critic In-Reply-To: <20060601115756.U93542@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: > one tactic I took was to > install the dependencies manually, either via cpan or via: cd .cpan/build/Class-Inspector-1.16 && make (etc) I get the same thing, either way. Well perl Makefile.PL make make test works fine, but make install gets the 'Undefined subroutine &main::install' msg > previous installations of Perl::Critc can mess with > tests in newer versions (not yet fully stabilized, don'tcha know). > As suggested, I removed the previous installation manually, and > everything went smoothly. Doesn't appear we had Perl Critic or any of the related pkgs installed. Just thinking this "pure_site_install" ... okay, poking a bit deeper into the Makefile there's: MOD_INSTALL = $(PERL) "-Iinc" "-I$(INST_LIB)" "-I$(PERL_LIB)" "-MExtUtils::Install" \ -e "install({@ARGV},'$(VERBINST)',0,'$(UNINST)');" and then: pure_site_install :: @$(MOD_INSTALL) \ read $(SITEARCHEXP)/auto/$(FULLEXT)/.packlist \ write $(INSTALLSITEARCH)/auto/$(FULLEXT)/.packlist \ If I make that: MOD_INSTALL = $(PERL) "-Iinc" "-I$(INST_LIB)" "-I$(PERL_LIB)" "-MExtUtils::Install" \ -e "use ExtUtils::Install; install({@ARGV},'$(VERBINST)',0,'$(UNINST)');" it works. So it seems the -MExtUtils::Install is being missed/ignored somehow. Odd. Pain to have to go munge that in each of the other scripts but ... Thanks. a Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov VOICE: (608) 261-5738 FAX 264-5932 "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." -- Dennis - Monty Python and the Holy Grail From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 14:41:44 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:41:44 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Allstate Message-ID: <49d805d70606011441j77a70c1drf1e0ed2803158b5c@mail.gmail.com> Anybody here got an in with Allstate? From jim at jimandkoka.com Thu Jun 1 15:27:36 2006 From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:27:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: ANN: CamelBones 1.0.0rc1 In-Reply-To: <9E3101BB-739E-4AE7-9FEC-F7D81471AE6F@dot-app.org> References: <9E3101BB-739E-4AE7-9FEC-F7D81471AE6F@dot-app.org> Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70606011527h6fec1194kd281e9d9041cf9d8@mail.gmail.com> I'm forwarding this on to the list here from the cocoa-dev list. I know that the cocoa specific jargon in the notes is useless to pure perl folks, but trust me - it's pretty cool. That shared perl instance and KVC access looks pretty damn nice. If you haven't looked at camelbones before and have a macintosh, I highly recommend it. I think you can even still dig up my talk from long long ago on the chicago.pm website. -Jim.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sherm Pendley Date: Jun 1, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: ANN: CamelBones 1.0.0rc1 To: Apple CocoaList The first Release Candidate of CamelBones has escaped confinement, and can be found here: What is CamelBones? CamelBones is a Cocoa/Perl bridge. It allows access to the Mac OS X Cocoa framework from Perl, and access to an embedded Perl interpreter from Objective-C. Read more about it at: CamelBones 1.0RC1 Release Notes Easier access to Perl for embedding by simplifying the over-complicated initialization steps. #import CBPerl *perl = [CBPerl sharedPerl]; [perl eval:@"print 'Hello, world';"]; Implemented KVC access to Perl's package variables by way of the shared CBPerl instance. NSDictionary *env = [[CBPerl sharedPerl] valueForKey:@"%ENV"]; id version = [[CBPerl sharedPerl] valueForKey:@"$CGI::VERSION"]; Deprecated most non-KVC access to package variables. Deprecated functions still work, but emit a warning. Added a copy of the framework with an install_path rooted at @loader_path. On Tiger or newer this framework can be embedded into frameworks and plugins. This allows, among other things, screen savers, safari plugins, preference panes, and spotlight importers to be written in Perl. Former "Fat Camel" release is now the default - dozens of CPAN modules are included in the form of pre-compiled binary "kits". Built for Panther & Tiger (Universal), these modules can be unzipped into any convenient folder for local use, or bundled into your CamelBones .app bundle for hassle- free distribution with your app. I've registered the internet domain camelbones.org, and switched over to using identifiers that reflect that, beginning with org.camelbones.*. Some debugging information can now be triggered by setting these user defaults keys: org.camelbones.ShowSelectorNotFoundMessages If this is a true value, causes a warning when messages are received for which no corresponding method has been defined. org.camelbones.ShowUnhandledTypeWarnings If this is a true value, causes warnings when unknown argument and/or return types are found in method signatures. Known Bugs & Limitations: Methods with float or double return types are not supported on Intel. The calling requirements for these methods are different on Intel than on PPC Macs, and I have no Intel Mac with which to test and/or debug a solution. sherm-- Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net Hire me! My resume: http://www.dot-app.org _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev at lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/jim%40jimandkoka.com This email sent to jim at jimandkoka.com From jason at froebe.net Fri Jun 2 06:00:19 2006 From: jason at froebe.net (Jason L. Froebe) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Allstate In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606011441j77a70c1drf1e0ed2803158b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060602130019.28614.qmail@web302.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> no, but everytime I see their commercials, I say, "LOOK! It is the Master Sgt. from The Unit!" - it is ALWAYS on when The Unit is on tv. jason --- Joshua McAdams wrote: > Anybody here got an in with Allstate? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > Jason L. Froebe He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in wet copper armour shouting "All the Gods are bastards." --- Terry Pratchett Bookcrossing (http://www.bookcrossing.com) WebBlog http://jfroebe.livejournal.com TeamSybase (http://www.teamsybase.com) ISUG member (http://www.isug.com) Chicago Sybase Tools User Group (http://www.cpbug.com) From don at drakeconsult.com Fri Jun 2 06:04:44 2006 From: don at drakeconsult.com (Don Drake) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:04:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Allstate In-Reply-To: <20060602130019.28614.qmail@web302.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or President David Palmer from '24'..... -Don -----Original Message----- From: chicago-talk-bounces+don=drakeconsult.com at pm.org [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+don=drakeconsult.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jason L. Froebe Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 8:00 AM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Allstate no, but everytime I see their commercials, I say, "LOOK! It is the Master Sgt. from The Unit!" - it is ALWAYS on when The Unit is on tv. jason --- Joshua McAdams wrote: > Anybody here got an in with Allstate? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > Jason L. Froebe He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in wet copper armour shouting "All the Gods are bastards." --- Terry Pratchett Bookcrossing (http://www.bookcrossing.com) WebBlog http://jfroebe.livejournal.com TeamSybase (http://www.teamsybase.com) ISUG member (http://www.isug.com) Chicago Sybase Tools User Group (http://www.cpbug.com) _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From andy at petdance.com Mon Jun 5 12:00:11 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:00:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks Message-ID: <9CC25A5A-5B55-4121-B826-F50ADFD1F193@petdance.com> I'll be bringing my lightning talk tomorrow, once I write it. I'll be talk about my super cool grep replacement "ack". xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From kent at c2group.net Mon Jun 5 12:03:41 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:03:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks In-Reply-To: <9CC25A5A-5B55-4121-B826-F50ADFD1F193@petdance.com> References: <9CC25A5A-5B55-4121-B826-F50ADFD1F193@petdance.com> Message-ID: <20060605140311.O23312@atbash.c2group.net> Didn't we see that Lightning talk near the tail end of the Perl::Critic talk a month or so ago? ;-) -Kent On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Andy Lester wrote: > I'll be bringing my lightning talk tomorrow, once I write it. I'll > be talk about my super cool grep replacement "ack". > > xoxo, > Andy > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From andy at petdance.com Mon Jun 5 12:07:52 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:07:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks In-Reply-To: <20060605140311.O23312@atbash.c2group.net> References: <9CC25A5A-5B55-4121-B826-F50ADFD1F193@petdance.com> <20060605140311.O23312@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Kent Cowgill wrote: > Didn't we see that Lightning talk near the tail end of the > Perl::Critic > talk a month or so ago? Yeah, you might have, but not with SLIDES! -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com Mon Jun 5 12:05:48 2006 From: NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com (Stowe, Nola) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:05:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks Message-ID: Andy just wants to show off new pictures of Quinn :) Nola J. Stowe Systems Programmer Thornton Tomasetti 14 E. Jackson Boulevard, Suite 1100 Chicago, IL 60604 T 312.596.2000 F 312.596.2001 D 312.596.2248 NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lester [mailto:andy at petdance.com] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:08 PM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Kent Cowgill wrote: > Didn't we see that Lightning talk near the tail end of the > Perl::Critic talk a month or so ago? Yeah, you might have, but not with SLIDES! -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> The information in this email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This message or any part thereof must not be disclosed, copied, distributed or retained by any person without authorization from the addressee. 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If you are taking Metra, Union Station and Northwestern Station/Ogilvie are both just a few blocks away. If you are driving, there is street parking and public garages on Lake St. See you there, Josh From andy at petdance.com Mon Jun 5 12:11:40 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:11:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks In-Reply-To: References: <9CC25A5A-5B55-4121-B826-F50ADFD1F193@petdance.com> <20060605140311.O23312@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <07D83A44-906E-47F7-8283-DE630B616A75@petdance.com> On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Andy Lester wrote: > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Kent Cowgill wrote: > >> Didn't we see that Lightning talk near the tail end of the >> Perl::Critic >> talk a month or so ago? > > Yeah, you might have, but not with SLIDES! And besides, that was Uniforum, not Chicago.PM! -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From andy at petdance.com Mon Jun 5 12:12:39 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:12:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Stowe, Nola wrote: > Andy just wants to show off new pictures of Quinn :) Also, Nola will be doing a talk about her migration from PHP to Perl. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com Mon Jun 5 12:10:45 2006 From: NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com (Stowe, Nola) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:10:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks Message-ID: >> Andy just wants to show off new pictures of Quinn :) >Also, Nola will be doing a talk about her migration from PHP to Perl. DOH! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> The information in this email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This message or any part thereof must not be disclosed, copied, distributed or retained by any person without authorization from the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this message. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From zrusilla at mac.com Mon Jun 5 12:44:45 2006 From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:44:45 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11397260.1149536685617.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Will there be a webcast so I can follow along? On Monday, June 05, 2006, at 12:16PM, Stowe, Nola wrote: > > >>> Andy just wants to show off new pictures of Quinn :) > >>Also, Nola will be doing a talk about her migration from PHP to Perl. > > >DOH! > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >The information in this email and any attachments may contain >confidential information that is intended solely for the >attention and use of the named addressee(s). This message or >any part thereof must not be disclosed, copied, distributed or >retained by any person without authorization from the addressee. >If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender >immediately, and delete this message. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >_______________________________________________ >Chicago-talk mailing list >Chicago-talk at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 12:46:22 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:46:22 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lightning talks In-Reply-To: <11397260.1149536685617.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> References: <11397260.1149536685617.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70606051246p674986e4va01b353acba9676b@mail.gmail.com> > Will there be a webcast so I can follow along? Unfortunately not :( Performics is picky about there internet, so we don't even get wifi. From andy at petdance.com Wed Jun 7 08:50:18 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:50:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Last night's Chicago.PM meeting Message-ID: <310CF500-0FC6-4901-B923-7410FC26C60A@petdance.com> Thanks to everyone who showed up at last night's Chicago.PM meeting, and to Josh for hosting. Thanks especially to the new folks who came. We're glad to have you. I wrote a little blog post about it: http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/ blog/2006/06/spreading_knowledge_through_ta.html xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com Wed Jun 7 09:04:01 2006 From: NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com (Stowe, Nola) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:04:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Last night's Chicago.PM meeting Message-ID: I blogged about my topic prior to the meeting at: http://codesnipers.com/?q=node/394 Nola J. Stowe Systems Programmer Thornton Tomasetti 14 E. Jackson Boulevard, Suite 1100 Chicago, IL 60604 T 312.596.2000 F 312.596.2001 D 312.596.2248 NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lester [mailto:andy at petdance.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:50 AM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: [Chicago-talk] Last night's Chicago.PM meeting Thanks to everyone who showed up at last night's Chicago.PM meeting, and to Josh for hosting. Thanks especially to the new folks who came. We're glad to have you. I wrote a little blog post about it: http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/ blog/2006/06/spreading_knowledge_through_ta.html xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> The information in this email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This message or any part thereof must not be disclosed, copied, distributed or retained by any person without authorization from the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this message. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From kent at c2group.net Wed Jun 7 10:21:25 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:21:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Last night's Chicago.PM meeting In-Reply-To: <310CF500-0FC6-4901-B923-7410FC26C60A@petdance.com> References: <310CF500-0FC6-4901-B923-7410FC26C60A@petdance.com> Message-ID: <20060607121924.D86417@atbash.c2group.net> I had a lot of fun and learned a thing or two. I was a little surprised to hear about Perl being capable (and relied upon) for RT systems - good job Brad! I'm also glad you guys indulged me with my talk regarding one aspect of the lighter side of Perl. -Kent On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Andy Lester wrote: > Thanks to everyone who showed up at last night's Chicago.PM meeting, > and to Josh for hosting. Thanks especially to the new folks who > came. We're glad to have you. From andy at petdance.com Wed Jun 7 10:47:55 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:47:55 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Last night's Chicago.PM meeting In-Reply-To: <20060607121924.D86417@atbash.c2group.net> References: <310CF500-0FC6-4901-B923-7410FC26C60A@petdance.com> <20060607121924.D86417@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <79775F53-40FD-45D8-A3F8-26B9D02EE7AF@petdance.com> On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Kent Cowgill wrote: > > I had a lot of fun and learned a thing or two. I was a little > surprised > to hear about Perl being capable (and relied upon) for RT systems - > good > job Brad! > > I'm also glad you guys indulged me with my talk regarding one > aspect of > the lighter side of Perl. Actually, I forgot to mention: Why don't you show HOW you got the picture of Charles Babbage in that shape? Acme::EyeDrops, I assume? xoa -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From kent at c2group.net Wed Jun 7 11:52:38 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:52:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Last night's Chicago.PM meeting In-Reply-To: <79775F53-40FD-45D8-A3F8-26B9D02EE7AF@petdance.com> References: <310CF500-0FC6-4901-B923-7410FC26C60A@petdance.com> <20060607121924.D86417@atbash.c2group.net> <79775F53-40FD-45D8-A3F8-26B9D02EE7AF@petdance.com> Message-ID: <20060607133023.I86417@atbash.c2group.net> That was relatively easy, actually. I found a great post by a user called liverpole on http://perlmonks.org/ called "Latent Image Obfuscation Generator", which was actually designed to hide a message inside an ASCII representation of an image. ASCII steganography so to speak. Feed it a .jpg and a specially formatted text file, and you get an executable perl script that displays the message. As a side effect, it creates a text file of the ASCIIfication without the hidden message. I wrote a tiny little script that read both that text file and my golfed script, and for every character occupied by a "pixel" in the text picture, would spit out the next character of my script. Plus or minus a few hand tweaks when my code broke, or if there wasn't enough of an image (I had no "`" characters in my script, so decided to leave that as a lighter 'shade', and had to add a few manually for the left side of the face, and the hairline). All that was left was to craft a few regex's that pulled the code out of $_ and transformed it enough to get it to eval properly (remove superfluous "`", remove extraneous spaces and newlines, etc) and then eval it: s-\s \s+--gmx; s&`&&gm; eval; At that point, I was short a few lines in the picture, and added some gobbledygook (as comments) by hand to complete the last 5 lines. -Kent On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Andy Lester wrote: > > I'm also glad you guys indulged me with my talk regarding one > > aspect of > > the lighter side of Perl. > > Actually, I forgot to mention: Why don't you show HOW you got the > picture of Charles Babbage in that shape? Acme::EyeDrops, I assume? From kent at c2group.net Wed Jun 7 11:56:56 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:56:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Last night's Chicago.PM meeting In-Reply-To: <79775F53-40FD-45D8-A3F8-26B9D02EE7AF@petdance.com> References: <310CF500-0FC6-4901-B923-7410FC26C60A@petdance.com> <20060607121924.D86417@atbash.c2group.net> <79775F53-40FD-45D8-A3F8-26B9D02EE7AF@petdance.com> Message-ID: <20060607135353.N86417@atbash.c2group.net> I've received a request or two to send out the link to my slides. http://www.c2group.net/howtos/perlgolf101.html If you mouse-over the lower right corner, you'll find the navigation unhides itself. A printable version (with a bit more explanation for the slides) can be viewed by clicking the navigation element that looks like a zero. That's also where you can find the links to take a look at the before & after code. -Kent From andy at petdance.com Wed Jun 7 20:30:26 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:30:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: CPAN Upload: P/PE/PETDANCE/ack-1.20.tar.gz References: <200606080321.k583LZmx024869@pause.perl.org> Message-ID: <56B5AE15-DDA9-4C8C-935C-EBB43CFD1B75@petdance.com> Per your requests! My ack program now has a --thpppt switch. xoxo, Andy Begin forwarded message: > From: PAUSE > Date: June 7, 2006 10:21:35 PM CDT > To: "Andy Lester" > Subject: CPAN Upload: P/PE/PETDANCE/ack-1.20.tar.gz > Reply-To: cpan-testers at perl.org > > The uploaded file > > ack-1.20.tar.gz > > has entered CPAN as > > file: $CPAN/authors/id/P/PE/PETDANCE/ack-1.20.tar.gz > size: 10238 bytes > md5: b1cedd83759e431538f4a23f1e73f56b > > No action is required on your part > Request entered by: PETDANCE (Andy Lester) > Request entered on: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:20:05 GMT > Request completed: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:21:35 GMT > > Thanks, > -- > paused, v782 > -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From andy at petdance.com Thu Jun 8 12:36:30 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:36:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago Message-ID: You know what might be interesting to put up on Chicago.pm? A list of Perl shops in the area, or at least those we know are Perl shops. Certain names keep popping up over and over, and those might be helpful to new people to the group who are looking for jobs. Anyone want to pull together a starter list for me? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From mgs at customvisuals.com Thu Jun 8 13:15:50 2006 From: mgs at customvisuals.com (Mike Schienle) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:15:50 +0100 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> Message-ID: <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> Andy Lester wrote: > > On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:42 PM, Mike Schienle wrote: > >> Andy Lester wrote: >>> You know what might be interesting to put up on Chicago.pm? >> >> Excellent idea, Andy. I'd be happy to set up a little CGI page to >> collect and disseminate this if you'd like. I'm currently in Maine on >> a Perl/XML/mod_perl project, so I certainly have an interest in >> seeing this come together. >> >> Let me know. > > So go ahead and start! And let folks on the list know you're doing it > so they know where to send to. OK. You talked me into it :-) Hi all - I'll set up a little CGI tonight and send out the address afterwards. I'm just thinking of something along the lines of company, address and some checkboxes for types of perl development (i.e. XML, CGI, mod_perl, etc.), and a comment field that we can add to. Sound reasonable? -- Mike Schienle From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Thu Jun 8 13:38:18 2006 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:38:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> Message-ID: <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> Mike Schienle wrote: >>> Andy Lester wrote: >>>> You know what might be interesting to put up on Chicago.pm? > ... > > I'll set up a little CGI tonight and send out the address afterwards. > I'm just thinking of something along the lines of > company, address and some checkboxes for types of perl development (i.e. > XML, CGI, mod_perl, etc.), and a comment field that we can add to. A wiki might be easier.... -johnnnnnnnnn From andy at petdance.com Thu Jun 8 13:41:05 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:41:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> Message-ID: <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> On Jun 8, 2006, at 3:38 PM, John Melesky wrote: >> XML, CGI, mod_perl, etc.), and a comment field that we can add to. > > A wiki might be easier.... He's offered to do it, so let's let him do it, and we'll just sit back and keep our fingers out of it. I'll start a list here anyway: Follett Library Resources where2getit.com Deerfield Capital Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From eli at mortgagefolder.com Thu Jun 8 13:59:40 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:59:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> Message-ID: <49269.68.20.14.131.1149800380.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> > > On Jun 8, 2006, at 3:38 PM, John Melesky wrote: > >>> XML, CGI, mod_perl, etc.), and a comment field that we can add to. >> >> A wiki might be easier.... > > He's offered to do it, so let's let him do it, and we'll just sit > back and keep our fingers out of it. > > I'll start a list here anyway: > Follett Library Resources > where2getit.com > Deerfield Capital Mortgage Desk > > Andy > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From zrusilla at mac.com Thu Jun 8 14:00:33 2006 From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:00:33 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> Message-ID: <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> GoldStar Learning on the North Side. http://www.masterymanager.com/ Performics LiveText Playboy hosts (or did host) a CPAN mirror; are they currently a Perl shop? From eli at mortgagefolder.com Thu Jun 8 14:26:51 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:26:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Message-ID: <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> >From jobs.perl.org: athenahealth DigitalWork/Zoomshare Reflected Networks picis.com (Rosemont) Centre street associates (Skokie) LM2 (Northbrook) > GoldStar Learning on the North Side. http://www.masterymanager.com/ > Performics > LiveText > Playboy hosts (or did host) a CPAN mirror; are they currently a Perl shop? > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From zrusilla at mac.com Thu Jun 8 14:39:44 2006 From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: <12851788.1149802784534.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Edison Schools is in Skokie too. Jim Thomason still works there, I think..? On Thursday, June 08, 2006, at 02:17PM, Elias Lutfallah wrote: >>From jobs.perl.org: > >athenahealth >DigitalWork/Zoomshare >Reflected Networks >picis.com (Rosemont) >Centre street associates (Skokie) >LM2 (Northbrook) > > >> GoldStar Learning on the North Side. http://www.masterymanager.com/ >> Performics >> LiveText >> Playboy hosts (or did host) a CPAN mirror; are they currently a Perl shop? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago-talk mailing list >> Chicago-talk at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk >> > > >-- >Elias Lutfallah >Chief Technology Officer >Mortgage Desk, Inc. > >_______________________________________________ >Chicago-talk mailing list >Chicago-talk at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > From jim at jimandkoka.com Thu Jun 8 14:44:16 2006 From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:44:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <12851788.1149802784534.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <12851788.1149802784534.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70606081444m336bd43dod1d3a236bccb8399@mail.gmail.com> Jim was trying to behave himself and wait for the CGI app to go live and then post into there instead of chiming on for the chorus. :) But yes, Edison's definitely a perl shop. -Jim..... On 6/8/06, Elizabeth Cortell wrote: > Edison Schools is in Skokie too. Jim Thomason still works there, I think..? > > On Thursday, June 08, 2006, at 02:17PM, Elias Lutfallah wrote: > > >>From jobs.perl.org: > > > >athenahealth > >DigitalWork/Zoomshare > >Reflected Networks > >picis.com (Rosemont) > >Centre street associates (Skokie) > >LM2 (Northbrook) > > > > > >> GoldStar Learning on the North Side. http://www.masterymanager.com/ > >> Performics > >> LiveText > >> Playboy hosts (or did host) a CPAN mirror; are they currently a Perl shop? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago-talk mailing list > >> Chicago-talk at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > >> > > > > > >-- > >Elias Lutfallah > >Chief Technology Officer > >Mortgage Desk, Inc. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Chicago-talk mailing list > >Chicago-talk at pm.org > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From jim at jimandkoka.com Thu Jun 8 14:50:13 2006 From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl distributed objects? Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70606081450y7e8e5addyf8c84f3705fbe357@mail.gmail.com> Boy, I don't even know exactly what to ask here...so bear with me. Is there a CPAN equivalent to Cocoa's Distributed Objects system? The objective-c guys in the room are hopefully already nodding and saying "Yes, that'd be neat." For the rest, I'll try and elaborate. Basically, distributed objects allows for transparent networking. You vend out an object for remote access, then a client comes along and connects up and grabs a proxy to that vended object. The client and server can then interact with each other as if they were local objects. Here's an example, say I have this object that does something: [anObject doSomething:withMe]; And I want to change my code so anObject is actually sitting on a remote server. To do that, I'd need to change this code to say: [anObject doSomething:withMe]; (obviously there's some other bits in terms of setting up the object that I'm omitting). But do we perl folks already have an equivalent generic module like this hanging around on CPAN? Other than searching for "distributed objects", I don't have an equivalent term to search for. Something that would allow me to just type in: $object->do_something($withMe); and just work, regardless of whether $object is sitting in my program or my thread or on my machine. While I wouldn't necessarily mind re-inventing this particular wheel, it's also not exactly something I'm jumping at. Any suggestions? -Jim..... From kent at c2group.net Thu Jun 8 15:10:23 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:10:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060608170834.W59604@atbash.c2group.net> I know when I interviewed there a while back they were specifically looking for perl developers who could also do some heavier lifting with c/c++. I think they still show up in my CPAN mirror list, and one of my cow-orkers claims he gets good connectivity there... I'd imagine anyone with a CPAN mirror would have a fair investment in Perl. -Kent On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Elizabeth Cortell wrote: > Playboy hosts (or did host) a CPAN mirror; are they currently a Perl shop? From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Jun 8 15:51:21 2006 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: 08 Jun 2006 15:51:21 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <20060608170834.W59604@atbash.c2group.net> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <20060608170834.W59604@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <86d5dj45xy.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Kent" == Kent Cowgill writes: Kent> I think they still show up in my CPAN mirror list, and one of my Kent> cow-orkers claims he gets good connectivity there... I'd imagine anyone Kent> with a CPAN mirror would have a fair investment in Perl. The CPAN mirror hasn't been updated in nearly a month though[1]... I just sent email to tim at playboy.com (imagine the spam THAT gets) asking wassup. [1] http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/mirmon/cpan.html - a great bookmark -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From zrusilla at mac.com Thu Jun 8 15:55:34 2006 From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:55:34 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <5cfdfaf70606081444m336bd43dod1d3a236bccb8399@mail.gmail.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <12851788.1149802784534.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <5cfdfaf70606081444m336bd43dod1d3a236bccb8399@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13150654.1149807334769.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> You? Behave? Ha! >Jim was trying to behave himself and wait for the CGI app to go live >and then post into there instead of chiming on for the chorus. :) > >But yes, Edison's definitely a perl shop. > >-Jim..... > From tdenkinger at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 18:11:20 2006 From: tdenkinger at gmail.com (Troy Denkinger) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:11:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: AOL Music Now Troy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20060608/a10682af/attachment.html From eli at mortgagefolder.com Thu Jun 8 18:49:04 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:49:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: <49710.68.20.14.131.1149817744.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Summary of the list so far: Follett Library Resources - http://www.flr.follett.com/ Where2GetIt - http://www.where2getit.com Deerfield Capital - http://www.triarc.com/business_deerfield.html Mortgage Desk - http://www.mortgagefolder.com Goldstar Learning - http://www.masterymanager.com/ Performics - http://www.performics.com LiveText - http://college.livetext.com/ Playboy? - http://www.playboy.com Athena Health - http://www.athenahealth.com DigitalWork - http://www.digitalwork.com/ Zoomshare - http://www.zoomshare.com/ Reflected Networks - http://www.digitalwork.com/ Picis - http://www.picis.com LM2 - http://www.lm2.com Edison Schools - http://www.edisonschools.com AOL Music Now - http://www.musicnow.com I guessed URLs as best I could. I removed Centre Street. They appear to be a temp agency. > AOL Music Now > > Troy > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 19:04:14 2006 From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:04:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <49710.68.20.14.131.1149817744.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <49710.68.20.14.131.1149817744.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: Citadel Investment Group - http://www.citadelgroup.com On 6/8/06, Elias Lutfallah wrote: > Summary of the list so far: > > Follett Library Resources - http://www.flr.follett.com/ > Where2GetIt - http://www.where2getit.com > Deerfield Capital - http://www.triarc.com/business_deerfield.html > Mortgage Desk - http://www.mortgagefolder.com > Goldstar Learning - http://www.masterymanager.com/ > Performics - http://www.performics.com > LiveText - http://college.livetext.com/ > Playboy? - http://www.playboy.com > Athena Health - http://www.athenahealth.com > DigitalWork - http://www.digitalwork.com/ > Zoomshare - http://www.zoomshare.com/ > Reflected Networks - http://www.digitalwork.com/ > Picis - http://www.picis.com > LM2 - http://www.lm2.com > Edison Schools - http://www.edisonschools.com > AOL Music Now - http://www.musicnow.com > > I guessed URLs as best I could. > > I removed Centre Street. They appear to be a temp agency. > > > AOL Music Now > > > > Troy > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > -- > Elias Lutfallah > Chief Technology Officer > Mortgage Desk, Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Perl Programmer Soccer Referee From mgs at customvisuals.com Thu Jun 8 22:14:25 2006 From: mgs at customvisuals.com (Mike Schienle) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:14:25 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <49710.68.20.14.131.1149817744.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: <32673064-D2B7-46E8-8E29-B5DCB20181EE@customvisuals.com> Hi all - Check out http://www.customvisuals.com/cgi-bin/PerlMongers.pl and let me know of any problems or better ways of handling things. Please make whatever updates are needed to the fields. Thanks. On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Shawn Carroll wrote: > Citadel Investment Group - http://www.citadelgroup.com > > On 6/8/06, Elias Lutfallah wrote: >> Summary of the list so far: >> >> Follett Library Resources - http://www.flr.follett.com/ >> Where2GetIt - http://www.where2getit.com >> Deerfield Capital - http://www.triarc.com/business_deerfield.html >> Mortgage Desk - http://www.mortgagefolder.com >> Goldstar Learning - http://www.masterymanager.com/ >> Performics - http://www.performics.com >> LiveText - http://college.livetext.com/ >> Playboy? - http://www.playboy.com >> Athena Health - http://www.athenahealth.com >> DigitalWork - http://www.digitalwork.com/ >> Zoomshare - http://www.zoomshare.com/ >> Reflected Networks - http://www.digitalwork.com/ >> Picis - http://www.picis.com >> LM2 - http://www.lm2.com >> Edison Schools - http://www.edisonschools.com >> AOL Music Now - http://www.musicnow.com >> >> I guessed URLs as best I could. >> >> I removed Centre Street. They appear to be a temp agency. >> >>> AOL Music Now >>> >>> Troy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago-talk mailing list >>> Chicago-talk at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk >> >> >> -- >> Elias Lutfallah >> Chief Technology Officer >> Mortgage Desk, Inc. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago-talk mailing list >> Chicago-talk at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk >> > > > -- > shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com > Perl Programmer > Soccer Referee > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk Mike Schienle From mgs at customvisuals.com Thu Jun 8 22:45:16 2006 From: mgs at customvisuals.com (Mike Schienle) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:45:16 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <32673064-D2B7-46E8-8E29-B5DCB20181EE@customvisuals.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <49710.68.20.14.131.1149817744.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <32673064-D2B7-46E8-8E29-B5DCB20181EE@customvisuals.com> Message-ID: <7C1E1553-75F1-4205-B457-3F3B644CF128@customvisuals.com> On Jun 9, 2006, at 1:14 AM, Mike Schienle wrote: > Hi all - > > Check out http://www.customvisuals.com/cgi-bin/PerlMongers.pl and > let me know of any problems or better ways of handling things. > Please make whatever updates are needed to the fields. URL changed to http://www.customvisuals.com/cgi-bin/PerlCompanies.pl. The previous one redirects to the new one. G'night. > > Thanks. > > On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Shawn Carroll wrote: > >> Citadel Investment Group - http://www.citadelgroup.com >> >> On 6/8/06, Elias Lutfallah wrote: >>> Summary of the list so far: >>> >>> Follett Library Resources - http://www.flr.follett.com/ >>> Where2GetIt - http://www.where2getit.com >>> Deerfield Capital - http://www.triarc.com/business_deerfield.html >>> Mortgage Desk - http://www.mortgagefolder.com >>> Goldstar Learning - http://www.masterymanager.com/ >>> Performics - http://www.performics.com >>> LiveText - http://college.livetext.com/ >>> Playboy? - http://www.playboy.com >>> Athena Health - http://www.athenahealth.com >>> DigitalWork - http://www.digitalwork.com/ >>> Zoomshare - http://www.zoomshare.com/ >>> Reflected Networks - http://www.digitalwork.com/ >>> Picis - http://www.picis.com >>> LM2 - http://www.lm2.com >>> Edison Schools - http://www.edisonschools.com >>> AOL Music Now - http://www.musicnow.com >>> >>> I guessed URLs as best I could. >>> >>> I removed Centre Street. They appear to be a temp agency. >>> >>>> AOL Music Now >>>> >>>> Troy >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago-talk mailing list >>>> Chicago-talk at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Elias Lutfallah >>> Chief Technology Officer >>> Mortgage Desk, Inc. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago-talk mailing list >>> Chicago-talk at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk >>> >> >> >> -- >> shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com >> Perl Programmer >> Soccer Referee >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago-talk mailing list >> Chicago-talk at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > Mike Schienle > Mike Schienle From lembark at wrkhors.com Fri Jun 9 07:17:05 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:17:05 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <86d5dj45xy.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <20060608170834.W59604@atbash.c2group.net> <86d5dj45xy.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <448982E1.9060303@wrkhors.com> Citadel (hedge fund in loop). -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From jon at jrock.us Fri Jun 9 09:58:14 2006 From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:58:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <86d5dj45xy.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <20060608170834.W59604@atbash.c2group.net> <86d5dj45xy.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <4489A8A6.7020404@jrock.us> If you're looking for a Chicago-area CPAN mirror, might I recommend cpan.uchicago.edu/CPAN/? It's updated every day at 6:00PM, and if something bad happens I usually try to fix it immediately :) Plus we have multiple gigabit links to the Internet and Internet 2, so it's pretty speedy. Imagine installing the latest version of Acme::Bleach at gigabit speeds! Exciting! (And sorry for not being at the meeting even though I had planned on giving a Lightning Talk. It was apparently free beer-and-SpongeBob-ice-cream day at work, so, you know... priorities. Sorry :( Regards, Jonathan Rockway )) #(closing parentheses for keeping you sane) Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Kent" == Kent Cowgill writes: > > Kent> I think they still show up in my CPAN mirror list, and one of my > Kent> cow-orkers claims he gets good connectivity there... I'd imagine anyone > Kent> with a CPAN mirror would have a fair investment in Perl. > > The CPAN mirror hasn't been updated in nearly a month though[1]... I just sent > email to tim at playboy.com (imagine the spam THAT gets) asking wassup. > > [1] http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/mirmon/cpan.html - a great bookmark > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 370 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20060609/022f88d9/attachment.bin From kent at c2group.net Fri Jun 9 10:51:42 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:51:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Non-perl job networking In-Reply-To: <4489A8A6.7020404@jrock.us> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <20060608170834.W59604@atbash.c2group.net> <86d5dj45xy.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <4489A8A6.7020404@jrock.us> Message-ID: <20060609124359.I98690@atbash.c2group.net> I know this is a perl mongers mailing list, but I have a former co-worker I left behind at a dead-end job, but it seems her opportunities for escaping are narrow. She's very talented, and has been working as a Security Architect. Firewalls, policies, physical security, architecture, etc. Anyone know of anyone looking for such a candidate? Much obliged, -Kent From e-just at northwestern.edu Fri Jun 9 10:54:47 2006 From: e-just at northwestern.edu (Eric Just) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <49710.68.20.14.131.1149817744.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolde r.com> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <49710.68.20.14.131.1149817744.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20060609125343.17370478@hecky.it.northwestern.edu> Haven't been around to a meeting for a whiile, but please include us here too! dictyBase at Northwestern University -- http://dictybase.org Thanks! At 08:49 PM 6/8/2006, Elias Lutfallah wrote: >Summary of the list so far: > >Follett Library Resources - http://www.flr.follett.com/ >Where2GetIt - http://www.where2getit.com >Deerfield Capital - http://www.triarc.com/business_deerfield.html >Mortgage Desk - http://www.mortgagefolder.com >Goldstar Learning - http://www.masterymanager.com/ >Performics - http://www.performics.com >LiveText - http://college.livetext.com/ >Playboy? - http://www.playboy.com >Athena Health - http://www.athenahealth.com >DigitalWork - http://www.digitalwork.com/ >Zoomshare - http://www.zoomshare.com/ >Reflected Networks - http://www.digitalwork.com/ >Picis - http://www.picis.com >LM2 - http://www.lm2.com >Edison Schools - http://www.edisonschools.com >AOL Music Now - http://www.musicnow.com > >I guessed URLs as best I could. > >I removed Centre Street. They appear to be a temp agency. > > > AOL Music Now > > > > Troy > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > >-- >Elias Lutfallah >Chief Technology Officer >Mortgage Desk, Inc. > >_______________________________________________ >Chicago-talk mailing list >Chicago-talk at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk ============================================ Eric Just e-just at northwestern.edu dictyBase Programmer Center for Genetic Medicine Northwestern University http://dictybase.org ============================================ From e-just at northwestern.edu Fri Jun 9 10:56:29 2006 From: e-just at northwestern.edu (Eric Just) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20060609125343.17370478@hecky.it.northwestern.ed u> References: <44887D96.4020602@customvisuals.com> <4E4323CE-7870-4456-985F-498A6FC54091@petdance.com> <44888576.6090608@customvisuals.com> <44888ABA.30309@phaedrusdeinus.org> <8212369D-F7B1-45BB-8A4F-D3915164F3C9@petdance.com> <6952883.1149800433244.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> <49338.68.20.14.131.1149802011.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <49710.68.20.14.131.1149817744.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <6.1.1.1.2.20060609125343.17370478@hecky.it.northwestern.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20060609125604.17507db8@hecky.it.northwestern.edu> Sorry, just found the nice form to do this myself. I'll go ahead and do that! At 12:54 PM 6/9/2006, Eric Just wrote: >Haven't been around to a meeting for a whiile, but please include us here too! > >dictyBase at Northwestern University -- http://dictybase.org > > >Thanks! >At 08:49 PM 6/8/2006, Elias Lutfallah wrote: > >Summary of the list so far: > > > >Follett Library Resources - http://www.flr.follett.com/ > >Where2GetIt - http://www.where2getit.com > >Deerfield Capital - http://www.triarc.com/business_deerfield.html > >Mortgage Desk - http://www.mortgagefolder.com > >Goldstar Learning - http://www.masterymanager.com/ > >Performics - http://www.performics.com > >LiveText - http://college.livetext.com/ > >Playboy? - http://www.playboy.com > >Athena Health - http://www.athenahealth.com > >DigitalWork - http://www.digitalwork.com/ > >Zoomshare - http://www.zoomshare.com/ > >Reflected Networks - http://www.digitalwork.com/ > >Picis - http://www.picis.com > >LM2 - http://www.lm2.com > >Edison Schools - http://www.edisonschools.com > >AOL Music Now - http://www.musicnow.com > > > >I guessed URLs as best I could. > > > >I removed Centre Street. They appear to be a temp agency. > > > > > AOL Music Now > > > > > > Troy > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > > > >-- > >Elias Lutfallah > >Chief Technology Officer > >Mortgage Desk, Inc. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Chicago-talk mailing list > >Chicago-talk at pm.org > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > >============================================ > >Eric Just >e-just at northwestern.edu >dictyBase Programmer >Center for Genetic Medicine >Northwestern University >http://dictybase.org > >============================================ > > >_______________________________________________ >Chicago-talk mailing list >Chicago-talk at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk ============================================ Eric Just e-just at northwestern.edu dictyBase Programmer Center for Genetic Medicine Northwestern University http://dictybase.org ============================================ From jim at jimandkoka.com Fri Jun 9 13:34:54 2006 From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:34:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl distributed objects? In-Reply-To: <5cfdfaf70606081450y7e8e5addyf8c84f3705fbe357@mail.gmail.com> References: <5cfdfaf70606081450y7e8e5addyf8c84f3705fbe357@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70606091334h6c8c8f69g855de1a7f7ee36b0@mail.gmail.com> I was right, I didn't know what to ask. Fortunately, I was vaguely aware of other protocols and other transport methods and such. Soap appears to be what I was looking for (specifically, SOAP::Lite, in this case). It's not -quite- as slick as DO, but at first glance the differences are virtually trivial (i.e., having to call ->result to get back values instead of just receiving them). So now I've just got to come up with a reason to use this knowledge, and I'll be all set. -Jim..... On 6/8/06, Jim Thomason wrote: > Boy, I don't even know exactly what to ask here...so bear with me. > > Is there a CPAN equivalent to Cocoa's Distributed Objects system? The > objective-c guys in the room are hopefully already nodding and saying > "Yes, that'd be neat." For the rest, I'll try and elaborate. > > Basically, distributed objects allows for transparent networking. You > vend out an object for remote access, then a client comes along and > connects up and grabs a proxy to that vended object. The client and > server can then interact with each other as if they were local > objects. > > Here's an example, say I have this object that does something: > > [anObject doSomething:withMe]; > > And I want to change my code so anObject is actually sitting on a > remote server. To do that, I'd need to change this code to say: > > [anObject doSomething:withMe]; > > (obviously there's some other bits in terms of setting up the object > that I'm omitting). > > But do we perl folks already have an equivalent generic module like > this hanging around on CPAN? Other than searching for "distributed > objects", I don't have an equivalent term to search for. > > Something that would allow me to just type in: > > $object->do_something($withMe); > > and just work, regardless of whether $object is sitting in my program > or my thread or on my machine. While I wouldn't necessarily mind > re-inventing this particular wheel, it's also not exactly something > I'm jumping at. > > Any suggestions? > > -Jim..... > From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 13:15:03 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:15:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless Message-ID: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> It looks like we are on our own for getting wireless internet access throughout the IIT conference center for YAPC. We have a few options, some of which are: - Chicago.pm'ers loaning home wireless routers for the three days. We'd need quite a few of them to adequately connect everyone. - Some person or business loan some industrial strength wireless routers. - Rent routers for the three days. - Find a company that provides wireless access setup. Any leads on these or any ideas for better options? Thanks, Josh From arodland at comcast.net Sat Jun 10 13:32:54 2006 From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:32:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606101532.54643.arodland@comcast.net> On Saturday 10 June 2006 15:15, Joshua McAdams wrote: > It looks like we are on our own for getting wireless internet access > throughout the IIT conference center for YAPC. We have a few options, > some of which are: > > - Chicago.pm'ers loaning home wireless routers for the three days. > We'd need quite a few of them to adequately connect everyone. > - Some person or business loan some industrial strength wireless routers. > - Rent routers for the three days. > - Find a company that provides wireless access setup. > > Any leads on these or any ideas for better options? I'll be there, and if necessary I can throw in a router. Not industrial strength, but it's very nice as consumer stuff goes. Buffalo WHR-HP-G54. It even runs Perl. Well, microperl anyway ;) Andrew From andy at petdance.com Sat Jun 10 13:39:04 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:39:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <200606101532.54643.arodland@comcast.net> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <200606101532.54643.arodland@comcast.net> Message-ID: <33FB7453-701C-4B66-9407-2C9773CD80EF@petdance.com> On Jun 10, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Andrew Rodland wrote: >> - Some person or business loan some industrial strength wireless >> routers. >> - Rent routers for the three days. >> - Find a company that provides wireless access setup. >> >> Any leads on these or any ideas for better options? If there is one crucial aspect of the conference that will make or break things, wireless is it. If the wireless isn't spot-on great, for years to come people will say "Yeah, but at least it wasn't as bad as in Chicago!" -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From shild at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 10 15:56:25 2006 From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:56:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149980185.94702.11.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 15:15 -0500, Joshua McAdams wrote: > It looks like we are on our own for getting wireless internet access > throughout the IIT conference center for YAPC. We have a few options, > some of which are: > > - Chicago.pm'ers loaning home wireless routers for the three days. > We'd need quite a few of them to adequately connect everyone. > - Some person or business loan some industrial strength wireless routers. > - Rent routers for the three days. > - Find a company that provides wireless access setup. Not being a networking expert, how many would you need? Can we get some at TigerDirect (warehouse is in Naperville) and Auction them off, they can take them after the conference? Just an idea. > > Any leads on these or any ideas for better options? > > Thanks, > Josh > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -- Scott T. Hildreth From eli at mortgagefolder.com Sat Jun 10 17:36:28 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:36:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <1149980185.94702.11.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <1149980185.94702.11.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <51787.68.20.14.131.1149986188.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> I take it that each room will have a net connection that we can use for the routers? If that's the case then we would need at least 1 for each room, possibly 2 for the best coverage. Is there some kind of common area that would need to be covered as well? There will be some spillover connectivity if the rooms are close together. We would need to set the SSID to the name of the conference room so that people can connect to the proper router. If we can place one at the front and one at the rear of the rooms, they should cover the whole room as well as some area outside the rooms. I think I can scare up at leat one Netgear that isn't doing anything, possibly 2. > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 15:15 -0500, Joshua McAdams wrote: >> It looks like we are on our own for getting wireless internet access >> throughout the IIT conference center for YAPC. We have a few options, >> some of which are: >> >> - Chicago.pm'ers loaning home wireless routers for the three days. >> We'd need quite a few of them to adequately connect everyone. >> - Some person or business loan some industrial strength wireless >> routers. >> - Rent routers for the three days. >> - Find a company that provides wireless access setup. > > Not being a networking expert, how many would you need? > Can we get some at TigerDirect (warehouse is in Naperville) > and Auction them off, they can take them after the conference? > Just an idea. > > >> >> Any leads on these or any ideas for better options? >> >> Thanks, >> Josh >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago-talk mailing list >> Chicago-talk at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- > Scott T. Hildreth > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From jason at multiply.org Sat Jun 10 18:21:47 2006 From: jason at multiply.org (jason gessner) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <51787.68.20.14.131.1149986188.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <1149980185.94702.11.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <51787.68.20.14.131.1149986188.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: <448B702B.3060209@multiply.org> i have a spare apple airport express that i could loan for the effort.... -jason From eli at mortgagefolder.com Sat Jun 10 20:41:15 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:41:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <448B702B.3060209@multiply.org> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <1149980185.94702.11.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <51787.68.20.14.131.1149986188.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <448B702B.3060209@multiply.org> Message-ID: <51875.68.20.14.131.1149997275.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Josh, These guys rent network hardware for conventions, give them a shot: http://computerrentals.com/quote.php -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From e.ellington at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 09:59:18 2006 From: e.ellington at gmail.com (Eric Ellington) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <51875.68.20.14.131.1149997275.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <1149980185.94702.11.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <51787.68.20.14.131.1149986188.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <448B702B.3060209@multiply.org> <51875.68.20.14.131.1149997275.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: The company I work for has two spare long range wireless network access points that we can loan. They go 10km with line of sight. We should be able to cover a whole building or three with those. Someone drop me a line if you want to borrow them. They work indoors or out doors. -- Eric Ellington e.ellington at gmail.com On 6/10/06, Elias Lutfallah wrote: > Josh, > > These guys rent network hardware for conventions, give them a shot: > http://computerrentals.com/quote.php > > > -- > Elias Lutfallah > Chief Technology Officer > Mortgage Desk, Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From eli at mortgagefolder.com Sun Jun 11 22:00:26 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:00:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Arrival Dinner Message-ID: <57188.68.20.14.131.1150088426.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Please add yourself to the Head Count and vote on the food if you plan to attend the Arrival Dinner at YAPC http://www.yapcchicago.org/wiki/index.cgi?ArrivalDinner -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Mon Jun 12 06:53:34 2006 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:53:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl shops in Chicago In-Reply-To: <12851788.1149802784534.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Message-ID: The Federal Courts (bankruptcy and district/civil) main application is half a million lines of perl ... a Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov VOICE: (608) 261-5738 FAX 264-5932 "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." -- Dennis - Monty Python and the Holy Grail From kent at c2group.net Mon Jun 12 09:05:12 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:05:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Uniforum Meeting Message-ID: <20060612110310.C89152@atbash.c2group.net> I don't recall seeing it announced anywhere, so I thought I'd remind the list. http://www.uniforum.chi.il.us/meetings/perlworkdebt.html There is a meeting for Uniforum Chicago SIG (special interest group?), which as you can tell by the title, is Perl-related :) I'm hoping I can get out of work early enough to go... -Kent From amead at alanmead.org Mon Jun 12 14:50:08 2006 From: amead at alanmead.org (Alan Mead) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:50:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> I have two older wireless routers that are not being used. -Alan Joshua McAdams wrote: >It looks like we are on our own for getting wireless internet access >throughout the IIT conference center for YAPC. We have a few options, >some of which are: > > - Chicago.pm'ers loaning home wireless routers for the three days. >We'd need quite a few of them to adequately connect everyone. > - Some person or business loan some industrial strength wireless routers. > - Rent routers for the three days. > - Find a company that provides wireless access setup. > >Any leads on these or any ideas for better options? > >Thanks, >Josh >_______________________________________________ >Chicago-talk mailing list >Chicago-talk at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > From eli at mortgagefolder.com Mon Jun 12 19:05:00 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:05:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Mason & Apache2 In-Reply-To: <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> Message-ID: <49672.68.20.14.131.1150164300.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> There seem to be many Mason advocates here, so I'll ask my first Mason related question here. >From the README in the source "Don't use Mason with an older mod_perl DSO (dynamic shared object)." Later it says "This should not be a problem with Apache2." Does that mean that I can use mod_perl as a DSO in Apache2 without Mason freaking out, or do I still need to compile it statically under Apache2? Also, any pointers to resources that will get me up to speed with Mason would be appreciated. Thanks, Eli -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 23:39:22 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:39:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> Message-ID: <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> Wow, that was a great response on the wireless solution. It sounds like Eric has the most powerful setup, but that we might need to supplement it with some of the others. I've also been in contact with a local Cisco rep that might have some equipment that we could use. So, here is the next problem, who knows how to set all of these things up so that they don't stomp all over each other? Is there anyone(s) that would be willing to be the official wireless lord(s) of YAPC or at least double-check me to make sure that I don't make too stupid of decisions on the wireless topic? From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 23:43:08 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:43:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Video Message-ID: <49d805d70606122343s1502311cwebf114abf8d95519@mail.gmail.com> So you all know that we have four rooms of talks going on this year. In Toronto they recorded the conference and released a DVD afterwards. It would be cool if we could do that again. Media-Landscape has offered to provide people and equipment for two of the four rooms. They've also offered up slide-capture equipment for the other two rooms. That leaves us with having to find cameras and cameramen for those two unstaffed rooms. Jason Gessner offered up a camera, so we are almost there. Does anyone else have a good video camera with firewire output? From eli at mortgagefolder.com Tue Jun 13 00:35:20 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Video In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606122343s1502311cwebf114abf8d95519@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606122343s1502311cwebf114abf8d95519@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49869.68.20.14.131.1150184120.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> I've got a Canon ZR200 that I could loan. Firewire out, MiniDV format, 90 minutes per tape. Don't know if you'd consider it 'good.' Just a standard home camcorder. Will Media-Landscape be producing the DVD, or just giving us the tapes to do with as we please? > So you all know that we have four rooms of talks going on this year. > In Toronto they recorded the conference and released a DVD afterwards. > It would be cool if we could do that again. Media-Landscape has > offered to provide people and equipment for two of the four rooms. > They've also offered up slide-capture equipment for the other two > rooms. > > That leaves us with having to find cameras and cameramen for those two > unstaffed rooms. Jason Gessner offered up a camera, so we are almost > there. Does anyone else have a good video camera with firewire > output? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From arodland at comcast.net Tue Jun 13 07:43:18 2006 From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:43:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> On Tuesday 13 June 2006 01:39, Joshua McAdams wrote: > Wow, that was a great response on the wireless solution. It sounds > like Eric has the most powerful setup, but that we might need to > supplement it with some of the others. I've also been in contact with > a local Cisco rep that might have some equipment that we could use. > > So, here is the next problem, who knows how to set all of these things > up so that they don't stomp all over each other? Is there anyone(s) > that would be willing to be the official wireless lord(s) of YAPC or > at least double-check me to make sure that I don't make too stupid of > decisions on the wireless topic? Not volunteering for the "wireless lord" position, but it depends on the way the network's set up and the equipment available. If the whole network is routed and the APs are beefy enough [1], you could set up the whole thing to have essid "YAPCChicago" and users could roam, no problem; you'd only have to worry about assigning channels to maximize distance between any two routers on the same channel. The less-beautiful solution is what Elias brought up; one AP/Router per room, with unique ESSIDs per room, and if you go off somewhere out of the range of the signal, tough luck; you need to change ESSID, get a new DHCP lease, reestablish connections, etc. A minor annoyance, but it might well be an unavoidable one. Andrew [1] Any networky types who want to chime in on exact requirements, please do. I'm only familiar in broad strokes. From jon at jrock.us Tue Jun 13 08:14:40 2006 From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:14:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> Message-ID: <448ED660.8070106@jrock.us> One question that comes to mind: does IIT not have WiFi? If they do, and won't give YAPCers access, they probably don't want you plugging into the wired network either. (IP allocation issues, 1337 h4x0r issues, I'm The Computer Center And I Say So issues, etc.) I just wanted to ask the obvious question; is this approved by IIT's computer center? If not, there could be big problems. When I was a student at UIC, we always had trouble for events because the network security czar would shut off the event rooms Just Because He Could (letting people use their precious Internet connection was "against University policy", but then again, getting an education was also against UIC's policy). Here at UofC, things are pretty much the same, except WiFi actually works. Visitors are required to fill out forms (SSN, drivers license number, home address), give DNA and blood samples, be Really Really nice, etc. all to get temporary 1-day access. :) Paranoia is high among university computer centers, in my experience. So I just wanted to make sure the WiFi situation here isn't an ad hoc (heh) solution to get around bureaucracy at IIT. If it is, the probability of Something Bad happening during the conference is very real. As a presenter, I would be kinda out of luck if I didn't have a 'net connection, and I'm sure others are the same way. Anyway, I'm sure you guys have this all figured out, I'm just worrying out loud :) Regards, Jonathan Rockway Andrew Rodland wrote: > On Tuesday 13 June 2006 01:39, Joshua McAdams wrote: >> Wow, that was a great response on the wireless solution. It sounds >> like Eric has the most powerful setup, but that we might need to >> supplement it with some of the others. I've also been in contact with >> a local Cisco rep that might have some equipment that we could use. etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 370 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20060613/6ced2d4d/attachment.bin From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 08:29:29 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:29:29 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <448ED660.8070106@jrock.us> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> <448ED660.8070106@jrock.us> Message-ID: <49d805d70606130829j3f1c7ed7hec406143ce872635@mail.gmail.com> > One question that comes to mind: does IIT not have WiFi? If they do, > and won't give YAPCers access, they probably don't want you plugging > into the wired network either. (IP allocation issues, 1337 h4x0r > issues, I'm The Computer Center And I Say So issues, etc.) They have wireless that we can use, but it doesn't cover the entire building that we are in. They are planning on dropping some wires around the conference center for us to build our own wireless network. > Anyway, I'm sure you guys have this all figured out, I'm just worrying > out loud :) Glad you nudged me on it. I'll double-check with the conference people at IIT and make sure that we don't have problems. From andy at petdance.com Tue Jun 13 08:31:31 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:31:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606130829j3f1c7ed7hec406143ce872635@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> <448ED660.8070106@jrock.us> <49d805d70606130829j3f1c7ed7hec406143ce872635@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > They have wireless that we can use, but it doesn't cover the entire > building that we are in. They are planning on dropping some wires > around the conference center for us to build our own wireless network. While you're at it: Power strips everywhere. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 08:35:04 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:35:04 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> <448ED660.8070106@jrock.us> <49d805d70606130829j3f1c7ed7hec406143ce872635@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70606130835l40f736a6j78e68555654ede6@mail.gmail.com> > While you're at it: Power strips everywhere. As of last meeting with IIT, they are running power strips down the isles in all of the rooms except the main auditorium. The auditorium doesn't have any hookups for them to get the power in. From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 08:37:37 2006 From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:37:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606130835l40f736a6j78e68555654ede6@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> <448ED660.8070106@jrock.us> <49d805d70606130829j3f1c7ed7hec406143ce872635@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70606130835l40f736a6j78e68555654ede6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What buildings will be used for YAPC? Stuart, Life Science and E1? On 6/13/06, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > While you're at it: Power strips everywhere. > > As of last meeting with IIT, they are running power strips down the > isles in all of the rooms except the main auditorium. The auditorium > doesn't have any hookups for them to get the power in. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Perl Programmer Soccer Referee From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 08:39:46 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:39:46 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> <448ED660.8070106@jrock.us> <49d805d70606130829j3f1c7ed7hec406143ce872635@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70606130835l40f736a6j78e68555654ede6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70606130839w7fdfe7fat42fe0af67f66dc94@mail.gmail.com> > What buildings will be used for YAPC? Stuart, Life Science and E1? HUB for the conference. MSV and SSV for the dorms. The classrooms for the extra two days are still up in the air... they are dependent on the number of people who sign up. From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 08:42:07 2006 From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:42:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606130839w7fdfe7fat42fe0af67f66dc94@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <448DE190.2040004@alanmead.org> <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> <448ED660.8070106@jrock.us> <49d805d70606130829j3f1c7ed7hec406143ce872635@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70606130835l40f736a6j78e68555654ede6@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70606130839w7fdfe7fat42fe0af67f66dc94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hrmm.... Take valuable soccer time and work time to goto a Perl Conference at my Alma Mater????? On 6/13/06, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > What buildings will be used for YAPC? Stuart, Life Science and E1? > > HUB for the conference. > > MSV and SSV for the dorms. > > The classrooms for the extra two days are still up in the air... they > are dependent on the number of people who sign up. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Perl Programmer Soccer Referee From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 08:44:22 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:44:22 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] In Search of Wireless In-Reply-To: References: <49d805d70606101315g21fd35e3l881700fc17348642@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70606122339tdaa763foddf48d907a4fd85b@mail.gmail.com> <200606130943.18760.arodland@comcast.net> <448ED660.8070106@jrock.us> <49d805d70606130829j3f1c7ed7hec406143ce872635@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70606130835l40f736a6j78e68555654ede6@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70606130839w7fdfe7fat42fe0af67f66dc94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70606130844v70a3066es6b023c4b6f423a1f@mail.gmail.com> > Take valuable soccer time and work time to goto a Perl Conference at > my Alma Mater????? Sounds like a plan :) From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Tue Jun 13 10:38:21 2006 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:38:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] announcing "techcoffee" Message-ID: <448EF80D.6050105@phaedrusdeinus.org> Do you code on your own time? Do you *actually* code on your own time, or do you plan to, but spend more time cruising Digg and Slashdot? Jason Huggins, from the Chicago Python group ( http://chipy.org/ ) had the realization that motivation to code is like motivation to exercise -- it might be easier if you get together with somebody else. So he put together TechCoffee, which is, basically, a time to get together and code. You don't have to work on the same thing as everybody else (indeed, Jason's planning on working on a patch for a Python project, i'm going to be hacking some Common Lisp code), just make a commitment to be there, bring a laptop, and spend time coding instead of surfing or slacking. TechCoffee is going to meet monday mornings from 6-8am. For those of you still reading, the first one is going to be at the Caribou Coffee, on LaSalle St, just north of Lake St. More info can be found at http://techcoffee.infogami.com/ Jason and i are committed to be there at 6am. We'd be happy if others joined us. -johnnnnnnn From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Tue Jun 13 10:42:13 2006 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:42:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] announcing "techcoffee" In-Reply-To: <448EF80D.6050105@phaedrusdeinus.org> References: <448EF80D.6050105@phaedrusdeinus.org> Message-ID: <448EF8F5.4080106@phaedrusdeinus.org> John Melesky wrote: > For those of you still reading, the first one is going to be at the > Caribou Coffee, on LaSalle St, just north of Lake St. On June 19th. My proofread-fu is weak. -johnnnnnnnn From frag at ripco.com Wed Jun 14 06:04:49 2006 From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:04:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons Message-ID: At a previous YAPC planning meeting (the one without lightning talks), I asked if anyone was interested in pitching in for Perl related buttons or stickers. I lust for a small, 1" rock-band-style button of the new Perl Foundation onion logo (see the bottom of http://www.perlfoundation.org/ if you don't know what I'm talking about) and/or a laptop sticker of any sort: a camel, the onion, just "use perl;", etc. I never got a line on stickers, but buttons can still be had by YAPC, but 500 buttons run $150 ($125 if we turn the blue shade of the official logo into black, which, IMO, would be a shame). (Source: http://www.busybeaver.net/prices.php; this is a local outfit. There may be a rush-job fee as well.) $150 is a little more than I wanted to pony up on my own, but does anyone else want to contribute something (like $20-$25, or more) to this? -- Mike F. From dha at panix.com Wed Jun 14 08:06:22 2006 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060614150622.GB8897@panix.com> On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 08:04:49AM -0500, Mike Fragassi wrote: > > At a previous YAPC planning meeting (the one without lightning talks), I > asked if anyone was interested in pitching in for Perl related buttons or > stickers. I lust for a small, 1" rock-band-style button of the new Perl > Foundation onion logo (see the bottom of http://www.perlfoundation.org/ if > you don't know what I'm talking about) and/or a laptop sticker of any > sort: a camel, the onion, just "use perl;", etc. > > I never got a line on stickers, but buttons can still be had by YAPC, but > 500 buttons run $150 ($125 if we turn the blue shade of the official logo > into black, which, IMO, would be a shame). (Source: > http://www.busybeaver.net/prices.php; this is a local outfit. There may > be a rush-job fee as well.) > > $150 is a little more than I wanted to pony up on my own, but does anyone > else want to contribute something (like $20-$25, or more) to this? Maybe you could get a button making kit (e.g. http://www.buybuttonparts.com/shop/badgeaminit-button-makers-button-maker-starter-kits-c-160_161.html), and put a little elbow grease in instead of money. :-) Hey! people could even crimp their *own* buttons if you're feeling lazy! :-D dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Despite his tendency to become sidetracked in debates with invisible giraffes, he was an exemplary player, and rarely licked anyone without prior permission - Diablo on Shazam Twix From andy at petdance.com Wed Jun 14 08:10:23 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:10:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: <20060614150622.GB8897@panix.com> References: <20060614150622.GB8897@panix.com> Message-ID: <8AF50E0B-42A3-4832-AA0A-466EC312C01A@petdance.com> >> I never got a line on stickers, but buttons can still be had by >> YAPC, but >> 500 buttons run $150 ($125 if we turn the blue shade of the >> official logo >> into black, which, IMO, would be a shame). (Source: >> http://www.busybeaver.net/prices.php; this is a local outfit. >> There may >> be a rush-job fee as well.) I bet you could get some scratch from Josh/Pete so you could sell the buttons for $2/ea and each button over 75 sold is profit for TPF. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 08:27:02 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:27:02 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: <8AF50E0B-42A3-4832-AA0A-466EC312C01A@petdance.com> References: <20060614150622.GB8897@panix.com> <8AF50E0B-42A3-4832-AA0A-466EC312C01A@petdance.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70606140827l66d1d563i8f80985593b9efc5@mail.gmail.com> > I bet you could get some scratch from Josh/Pete so you could sell the > buttons for $2/ea and each button over 75 sold is profit for TPF. We are going to have a TPF table setup selling shirts and such. If TPF doesn't mind, we could hawk some buttons there too.... since Andy suggested it, I'm guessing TPF doesn't mind :) From ed at questinformation.com Wed Jun 14 08:45:52 2006 From: ed at questinformation.com (Ed Pigg) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:45:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC newbie advice Message-ID: Greetings all, I've just registered for the YAPC::2006 and am looking forward to the experience. I will be commuting in and out of the city due to family commitments, but I wonder if any of you have advice on how to get the most out of a YAPC. I'd also like to help out if I can. Ed Pigg From mongers at bsod.net Wed Jun 14 08:55:19 2006 From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:55:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC newbie advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC newbie advice From: Ed Pigg Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:45:52 -0500 }I've just registered for the YAPC::2006 and am looking forward to the }experience. I will be commuting in and out of the city due to family }commitments, but I wonder if any of you have advice on how to get the }most out of a YAPC. The best thing I can reccommend is to visit the following web page: http://yapcchicago.org/wiki/index.cgi?ConferencesForBeginners Also, at 8:30 AM on Monday the 26th, Jim Brandt (the TPF conference chair) and brian d foy will be hosting a talk in the auditorium before the conference truly gets underway. I would suggest attending that as well. }I'd also like to help out if I can. Great! We have two major needs during the conference (people to help video record, and people to help speakers during the talks), and we have some needs before the conference as well (assembling gift bags, preparing registration materials.) What is your interest and availability? -Pete K -- Pete Krawczyk mongers at bsod dot net From kent at c2group.net Wed Jun 14 09:16:57 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:16:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060614111544.D52936@atbash.c2group.net> Barring anything else, I'd be happy to fork over $20. -Kent On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Mike Fragassi wrote: > $150 is a little more than I wanted to pony up on my own, but does anyone > else want to contribute something (like $20-$25, or more) to this? From andy at petdance.com Wed Jun 14 09:29:06 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:29:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Podserver In-Reply-To: <20060614112419.M52936@atbash.c2group.net> References: <20060614150622.GB8897@panix.com> <8AF50E0B-42A3-4832-AA0A-466EC312C01A@petdance.com> <20060614112419.M52936@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: > Last night you mentioned podserver, and I am still unable to find it. This was at the Uniforum meeting. > If you happen to have a link handy, I'd appreciate it if you could > forward > it to me. Sorry about that. It's http://search.cpan.org/~sburke/Pod- Webserver-3.03/ xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From kent at c2group.net Wed Jun 14 09:33:13 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:33:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Podserver In-Reply-To: References: <20060614150622.GB8897@panix.com> <8AF50E0B-42A3-4832-AA0A-466EC312C01A@petdance.com> <20060614112419.M52936@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <20060614113219.N52936@atbash.c2group.net> Many thanks, and it didn't occur to me that everyone else here might be interested in it :) -Kent On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Andy Lester wrote: > > Last night you mentioned podserver, and I am still unable to find it. > > This was at the Uniforum meeting. > > Sorry about that. It's http://search.cpan.org/~sburke/Pod- > Webserver-3.03/ From frag at ripco.com Wed Jun 14 09:43:21 2006 From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:43:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606140827l66d1d563i8f80985593b9efc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060614150622.GB8897@panix.com> <8AF50E0B-42A3-4832-AA0A-466EC312C01A@petdance.com> <49d805d70606140827l66d1d563i8f80985593b9efc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > I bet you could get some scratch from Josh/Pete so you could sell the > > buttons for $2/ea and each button over 75 sold is profit for TPF. > > We are going to have a TPF table setup selling shirts and such. If > TPF doesn't mind, we could hawk some buttons there too.... since Andy > suggested it, I'm guessing TPF doesn't mind :) Sounds good. I was thinking of it as a free giveaway, but cash for the cause is fine with me too. Although I wonder how many people would buy them, since the onion logo is kind of new. According to the order page, they can get them to us in a week, so it's still feasible. Would I pay initially or would TPF pay? -- Mike F. From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 10:41:32 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:41:32 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: [Chirb] invitation to a free wine and tech event for Chicago tech people In-Reply-To: <32ca7bf50606140930r7e7afca6g6c23c1edd3a58d12@mail.gmail.com> References: <32ca7bf50606140930r7e7afca6g6c23c1edd3a58d12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70606141041k582714a3gad2316f8bae554cb@mail.gmail.com> >From the chirb list... I forgot to announce this at Monday's meeting, but here are details about a free wine + tech event on July 6th, 6:30-10pm at State Restaurant in Lincoln Park. My friend is organizing TECHcocktail.com to promote quarterly meetups like this for the Chicago tech, entrepreneurship, and software community. RSVP and read more at http://www. TECHcocktail.com Also, if you're interested in that, I keep a blog of current events around Chicago for tech people like us: That's at www.TechSocial.com I have reservations about sending this out to the list, however another user group told me, something like "Free wine and hanging out with coders and entrepreneurs! That's not spam." --Jonathan Andrew Wolter http://TechSocial.com - Chicago calendar of software and entrepreneurship events http://EconTechBlog.com - finance, entrepreneurship, globalization From andrew at broscom.com Wed Jun 14 13:22:48 2006 From: andrew at broscom.com (Andrew Brosnan) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:22:48 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/14/06 at 11:43 AM, frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > > > I bet you could get some scratch from Josh/Pete so you could sell > > > the buttons for $2/ea and each button over 75 sold is profit for > > > TPF. > > > > We are going to have a TPF table setup selling shirts and such. If > > TPF doesn't mind, we could hawk some buttons there too.... since > > Andy suggested it, I'm guessing TPF doesn't mind :) > > I was thinking of it as a free giveaway, but cash for > the cause is fine with me too. I wonder if the value of the warm, fuzzy feeling of good will generated by giving them away might eclipse the relatively small profit made? Not to mention the astounding marketing boon for Perl realized by having every conference attendee sporting a snazzy Perl button out in the world. > Although I wonder how many people > would buy them, since the onion logo is kind of new. Onion? :-) Regards, Andrew From brian.d.foy at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 13:33:07 2006 From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:33:07 +0200 Subject: [Chicago-talk] announcing "techcoffee" In-Reply-To: <448EF80D.6050105@phaedrusdeinus.org> References: <448EF80D.6050105@phaedrusdeinus.org> Message-ID: <2715accf0606141333w7c943d81n7bc87f8d48e5d13b@mail.gmail.com> On 6/13/06, John Melesky wrote: > TechCoffee is going to meet monday mornings from 6-8am. I knew there was something odd about Pythoners. Anyone wanting to be up at 6 am on a Monday is just sick. As I used to tell my partners in New York: the only time you'll see me before 10am is if I've been in the office all night. (yes, I had a bed, a change of clothes, and a gym membership just for the showers :) -- brian d foy http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ From dha at panix.com Wed Jun 14 13:59:07 2006 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] announcing "techcoffee" In-Reply-To: <2715accf0606141333w7c943d81n7bc87f8d48e5d13b@mail.gmail.com> References: <448EF80D.6050105@phaedrusdeinus.org> <2715accf0606141333w7c943d81n7bc87f8d48e5d13b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060614205907.GC4881@panix.com> On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 10:33:07PM +0200, brian d foy wrote: > On 6/13/06, John Melesky wrote: > > > TechCoffee is going to meet monday mornings from 6-8am. > > I knew there was something odd about Pythoners. Anyone wanting to be > up at 6 am on a Monday is just sick. > > As I used to tell my partners in New York: the only time you'll see me > before 10am is if I've been in the office all night. (yes, I had a > bed, a change of clothes, and a gym membership just for the showers :) I can confirm most of that. Ironically, I can't confirm the "being up beore 10am" thing, as I myself avoid that whenever possible. :-) dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ I believe myself to be the daughter of a one-eyed space robot named Malcolm. -Fallon Young, http://www.bobbins.org/d/20000915.html From ann at domaintje.com Wed Jun 14 23:55:30 2006 From: ann at domaintje.com (Ann Barcomb) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] OT: morning wakeups (was Re: announcing "techcoffee") In-Reply-To: <2715accf0606141333w7c943d81n7bc87f8d48e5d13b@mail.gmail.com> References: <448EF80D.6050105@phaedrusdeinus.org> <2715accf0606141333w7c943d81n7bc87f8d48e5d13b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060615004530.J60970@cerin.biocede.com> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, brian d foy wrote: > On 6/13/06, John Melesky wrote: >> TechCoffee is going to meet monday mornings from 6-8am. > > I knew there was something odd about Pythoners. Anyone wanting to be > up at 6 am on a Monday is just sick. Being awake before 6 I can handle; being somewhere by 6 is another matter (especially when the place is a 7+ hour commute away ;). I'm not a morning person. But I wake up at 5:30, leave the house at 6, get to the gym at 7, and get to work at 8. Why? Because that means I get almost 2 hours of blissful quiet before people show up... Does this mean I have to become a Python programmer? I actually have a point to this letter. I was wondering if anyone could loan me an alarm clock for the last week of June, so that I can get to the IIT gym before talks start. Usually I carry my cellphone, but I think it'd be a bit of a pain to haul GSM phone + charger + adaptor just to have an alarm clock. No need to reply on list, just drop me a note if you can help out. - Ann From me at heyjay.com Thu Jun 15 09:39:26 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:39:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My wife does promotional items. If you guys were interested in getting a few novelty items to sell a the conference she might be able to help Jay On 6/14/06, Andrew Brosnan wrote: > On 6/14/06 at 11:43 AM, frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > > > > > I bet you could get some scratch from Josh/Pete so you could sell > > > > the buttons for $2/ea and each button over 75 sold is profit for > > > > TPF. > > > > > > We are going to have a TPF table setup selling shirts and such. If > > > TPF doesn't mind, we could hawk some buttons there too.... since > > > Andy suggested it, I'm guessing TPF doesn't mind :) > > > > I was thinking of it as a free giveaway, but cash for > > the cause is fine with me too. > > I wonder if the value of the warm, fuzzy feeling of good will generated > by giving them away might eclipse the relatively small profit made? Not > to mention the astounding marketing boon for Perl realized by having > every conference attendee sporting a snazzy Perl button out in the > world. > > > Although I wonder how many people > > would buy them, since the onion logo is kind of new. > > Onion? :-) > > Regards, > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 11:23:00 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49d805d70606151123iddd5906sa787f5c369250ad5@mail.gmail.com> > My wife does promotional items. If you guys were interested in > getting a few novelty items to sell a the conference she might be able > to help We are interested. What do you have in mind? From eli at mortgagefolder.com Thu Jun 15 14:11:16 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason Message-ID: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> All, I understand that some people prefer the Template Toolkit over Mason. I'd like to hear opinions an which system I should use for a database driven web application. No articles or things posted by users, only displays from the DB and the forms to update the DB. Not Slashdot, more like a bank's website. I currently have my own home grown template system in my software, but I'm rewriting things to use Mason. I'm doing this primarily for new coders that we are hiring. If they have used Mason before they will be able to jump right in without having to learn how I do templating. One thing I don't like about Mason is how ugly the code becomes once you start mixing perl into HTML. I probably just don't know enough about Mason to make my code more readable. I follow PBP for the perl code, the HTML is harder to format with a 78 character line. I'd would greatly appreciate your input on this matter. Thanks, Eli -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From andrew at broscom.com Thu Jun 15 14:15:37 2006 From: andrew at broscom.com (Andrew Brosnan) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: On 6/15/06 at 4:11 PM, eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) wrote: > I understand that some people prefer the Template Toolkit over Mason. > I'd like to hear opinions an which system I should use for a database > driven web application. Yes, also...which is better, vi or emacs? ;-) -- Andrew Brosnan - Broscom LLC - 1 207 925-1156 andrew at broscom.com - Programming, Consulting, Websites, Hosting From jon at jrock.us Thu Jun 15 14:21:53 2006 From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:21:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> References: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: <4491CF71.3050305@jrock.us> It depends on what sort of development style you're using. If you're doing MVC, I would recommend Mason. I use TT for my MVC applications that I've done thusfar, and don't like the way it integrates. For example, if you have some text that contains UTF-8 characters, and want to output those UTF-8 characters as a URL in valid strict XHTML, you have to escape them (%13%37, etc). Where to do this in MVC? In the view, of course. Unfortunately, when you start doing processing in TT, things get ugly. There's a uriescape in the CGI TT extension that I use, but it starts getting less and less clean from there. If I wanted to do something more complex, I'd have to write my own TTx, and that's kind of a waste of effort, IMO. (There's nothing reusable, so it's not worth writing a module for... but there's no other way to extend TT.) If you use Mason, you'll be able to make a simple subroutine call without having to write a TT extension. It's just a line of code inside some HTML. Convenient, and the cleanest way to do things, IMO. (Of course, you could do the escaping in the Controller or even the Model, but that's ugly and if you do things like that, you might as well not use MVC.) However, if you're doing it the good-old-CGI way, then TT is much better. There's nothing wrong with massaging your output in a CGI script, so you can setup all your variables to be HTML-ized as you like them, and then let TT make the actual page. Very nice, and the templates are very clean and maintainable. (But then, the actual controller isn't as maintainable. Tradeoffs, tradeoffs.) All in all, I don't think either Mason or TT are optimal, and might be writing my own templating system in the future. ;) Hope this helps. Regards, Jonathan Rockway Elias Lutfallah wrote: > All, > > I understand that some people prefer the Template Toolkit over Mason. > >8 -snip- 8< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My feeling is that Mason is more given to componentization, but it's also more of a pain to deal with, IMHO. TT is also more abstract in the sense that it's not tied to web pages like Mason is. Mason can do generic templating, but it's more of a pain. Personally, I prefer the TT metaphor of "pass some data into this template" rather than the Mason "here's a template with code in it." There are O'Reilly books about both. masonhq.com has the Mason book online. xoa -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From jason at multiply.org Thu Jun 15 14:34:38 2006 From: jason at multiply.org (jason gessner) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:34:38 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: <4BD722C7-7093-48E1-BBEA-E5925DA7932D@petdance.com> References: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <4BD722C7-7093-48E1-BBEA-E5925DA7932D@petdance.com> Message-ID: <4491D26E.3090300@multiply.org> Andy Lester wrote: > My feeling is that Mason is more given to componentization, but it's > also more of a pain to deal with, IMHO. > > TT is also more abstract in the sense that it's not tied to web pages > like Mason is. Mason can do generic templating, but it's more of a > pain. > > Personally, I prefer the TT metaphor of "pass some data into this > template" rather than the Mason "here's a template with code in it." > You can make mason applications that behave like TT apps (andy's "pass some data into this template" style), but you aren't leveraging the platform for what it can do. To me, the strength of mason is that it adds an OO metaphor for doing web apps. Components can have attributes, and they all do/can "inherit" from parent components. This generally takes the form of wrapping, instead of including, but i use this to execute common code, do authorization/authentication, form parameter massaging, etc. Also, the platform has a lot of hooks for changing the way it operates without affecting your templates. -jason From jon at jrock.us Thu Jun 15 14:43:11 2006 From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:43:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: <4BD722C7-7093-48E1-BBEA-E5925DA7932D@petdance.com> References: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <4BD722C7-7093-48E1-BBEA-E5925DA7932D@petdance.com> Message-ID: <4491D46F.2080402@jrock.us> Actually, thinking about this a bit more, I think the ideal thing would be if TT let you put a nice block of perl code somewhere in the document, and then reference into it (as though it were a TTx). Maybe something like: [% CODE %] use My::Module; sub escape_uri : Filter { my $in = shift; my $out = My::Module::fix($in, "XHTML", "blah", "foo"); return $out; } [% END %] ? I'm not a big fan of the [% method.call(argument, another, blah) %], since I never know what's a bareword, what's a variable, what's a hash, what's a function, what's a scalar, etc. nor do I know where that variable came from (Catalyst stash?, earlier in the file?, TTx extension?). Would anyone else like syntax like [% $variable | escape_uri %] (to call escape_uri with a scalar $variable, and then replace the [% %] region with the output of escape_uri)? It would also be nice to autogenerate HTML as perl CGI, but with nicer (read: more maintainable) syntax than TTx::CGI. I need to think about this some more. ...or maybe I just need to read up on Mason :) Regards, Jonathan Rockway Andy Lester wrote: > My feeling is that Mason is more given to componentization, but it's > also more of a pain to deal with, IMHO. > > TT is also more abstract in the sense that it's not tied to web pages > like Mason is. Mason can do generic templating, but it's more of a > pain. > > Personally, I prefer the TT metaphor of "pass some data into this > template" rather than the Mason "here's a template with code in it." > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you guys were interested in > > getting a few novelty items to sell a the conference she might be able > > to help > > We are interested. What do you have in mind? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From eli at mortgagefolder.com Thu Jun 15 15:45:59 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:45:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: <4491D46F.2080402@jrock.us> References: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <4BD722C7-7093-48E1-BBEA-E5925DA7932D@petdance.com> <4491D46F.2080402@jrock.us> Message-ID: <54537.68.20.14.131.1150411559.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Thanks for the info. I think I'll stick with Mason. I dabbled with TT a couple years back and didn't find it as intuitive as Mason. YMMV. Thanks, Eli -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From lembark at wrkhors.com Thu Jun 15 16:45:13 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:45:13 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4491F109.5070704@wrkhors.com> > Yes, also...which is better, vi or emacs? ;-) vi, obviously. But what's that got to do with Mason vs. TT? -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From andrew at broscom.com Thu Jun 15 17:48:36 2006 From: andrew at broscom.com (Andrew Brosnan) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:48:36 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: <4491F109.5070704@wrkhors.com> Message-ID: On 6/15/06 at 7:45 PM, lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) wrote: > > > Yes, also...which is better, vi or emacs? ;-) > > vi, obviously. obviously > But what's that got to do with Mason vs. TT? > I don't know...An oft debated question about two equally capable technologies with no definitive answer but what boils down to personal preference and comfort level? -- Andrew Brosnan - Broscom LLC - 1 207 925-1156 andrew at broscom.com - Programming, Consulting, Websites, Hosting From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 19:45:24 2006 From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: References: <4491F109.5070704@wrkhors.com> Message-ID: <43e95380606151945s393982c3j818a117085d4b2a6@mail.gmail.com> On 6/15/06, Andrew Brosnan wrote: > > > > > But what's that got to do with Mason vs. TT? > > > I don't know...An oft debated question about two equally capable > technologies with no definitive answer but what boils down to personal > preference and comfort level? > Discussion is good. -- http://AnythingButPHP.blogspot.com http://CodeSnipers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jordan From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 20:47:38 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:47:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] My name is Jordan, and I am new to the mailing list In-Reply-To: <1150428701.6297.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150428701.6297.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49d805d70606152047y96e0a0dy446882eb54ee0b95@mail.gmail.com> > Well, just following directions to say hello to everyone on the mailing > list. I am interested in perl not only because I am into bioinformatics > and perl awesome ability to process strings, but also because I dont > really like extra typing. Look forward to meeting the group at a > meeting in the near future. Hi Jordan. Welcome to Chicago.pm! I'm not sure how long you've been watching the list, but we are starting to meet up pretty regularly. In about nine days we'll be hosting Yet Another Perl Conference (http://www.yapcchicago.org) on the IIT campus. There are a lot of things that need to be done before the conference, so I'm sure there will be a few informal meetups for last minute swag-bag stuffings and such. This would be a great time for you to jump head-first into the group :) If you can't make it for any of this, hopefully we can pull a meeting off sometime in early July. Josh From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 20:48:41 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:48:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] My name is Jordan, and I am new to the mailing list In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606152047y96e0a0dy446882eb54ee0b95@mail.gmail.com> References: <1150428701.6297.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49d805d70606152047y96e0a0dy446882eb54ee0b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70606152048u6796996aue4886694ab3db2c6@mail.gmail.com> Oh, hey, I see that you just registered and snagged one of the few remaining PBP classes :) On 6/15/06, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > Well, just following directions to say hello to everyone on the mailing > > list. I am interested in perl not only because I am into bioinformatics > > and perl awesome ability to process strings, but also because I dont > > really like extra typing. Look forward to meeting the group at a > > meeting in the near future. > > Hi Jordan. Welcome to Chicago.pm! > > I'm not sure how long you've been watching the list, but we are > starting to meet up pretty regularly. In about nine days we'll be > hosting Yet Another Perl Conference (http://www.yapcchicago.org) on > the IIT campus. There are a lot of things that need to be done before > the conference, so I'm sure there will be a few informal meetups for > last minute swag-bag stuffings and such. This would be a great time > for you to jump head-first into the group :) > > If you can't make it for any of this, hopefully we can pull a meeting > off sometime in early July. > > Josh > From kent at c2group.net Thu Jun 15 23:46:10 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] My name is Jordan, and I am new to the mailing list In-Reply-To: <1150428701.6297.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150428701.6297.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1278C744-2EFE-4342-8396-6EFEF9B4972A@c2group.net> Jordan: You don't like extra typing? Me either. Too bad you just missed my lightning talk on Perl Golf 101 - accomplish the same task in as few keystrokes as possible. Welcome, and hope to see you at YAPC! -Kent Cowgill C2 Group, Inc. kent at c2group.net http://www.c2group.net 312.804.0160 On Jun 15, 2006, at 10:31 PM, Jordan Kanter wrote: > Well, just following directions to say hello to everyone on the > mailing > list. I am interested in perl not only because I am into > bioinformatics > and perl awesome ability to process strings, but also because I dont > really like extra typing. Look forward to meeting the group at a > meeting in the near future. > > Jordan > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From amead at alanmead.org Fri Jun 16 08:08:42 2006 From: amead at alanmead.org (Alan Mead) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: <54537.68.20.14.131.1150411559.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> References: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <4BD722C7-7093-48E1-BBEA-E5925DA7932D@petdance.com> <4491D46F.2080402@jrock.us> <54537.68.20.14.131.1150411559.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: <4492C97A.7080401@alanmead.org> Elias Lutfallah wrote: > Thanks for the info. I think I'll stick with Mason. I dabbled with TT a > couple years back and didn't find it as intuitive as Mason. YMMV. > > Thanks, > > Eli > Eli, Are you familiar with Catalyst or Maypole? http://search.cpan.org/~agrundma/Catalyst-5.6902/lib/Catalyst.pm http://search.cpan.org/~teejay/Maypole-2.11_pre3/lib/Maypole.pm >From your description... I thought these might be handy. I guess you could say that Catalyst adds an MVC framework to TT. -Alan From shild at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 16 10:41:16 2006 From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:41:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: <4492C97A.7080401@alanmead.org> References: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <4BD722C7-7093-48E1-BBEA-E5925DA7932D@petdance.com> <4491D46F.2080402@jrock.us> <54537.68.20.14.131.1150411559.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <4492C97A.7080401@alanmead.org> Message-ID: <1150479677.47958.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 10:08 -0500, Alan Mead wrote: > Elias Lutfallah wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I think I'll stick with Mason. I dabbled with TT a > > couple years back and didn't find it as intuitive as Mason. YMMV. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eli > > > > Eli, > > Are you familiar with Catalyst or Maypole? > > http://search.cpan.org/~agrundma/Catalyst-5.6902/lib/Catalyst.pm > http://search.cpan.org/~teejay/Maypole-2.11_pre3/lib/Maypole.pm ..or http://www.jifty.org (which uses mason) or http://www.plainblack.com/webgui > > >From your description... I thought these might be handy. I guess you > could say that Catalyst adds an MVC framework to TT. > > -Alan > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -- Scott T. Hildreth From eli at mortgagefolder.com Fri Jun 16 11:19:55 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:19:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] TT vs Mason In-Reply-To: <1150479677.47958.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> References: <54402.68.20.14.131.1150405876.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <4BD722C7-7093-48E1-BBEA-E5925DA7932D@petdance.com> <4491D46F.2080402@jrock.us> <54537.68.20.14.131.1150411559.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> <4492C97A.7080401@alanmead.org> <1150479677.47958.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <56085.68.20.14.131.1150481995.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into them, but I don't want to put too many layers of abstraction in between my code and mod_perl. So far I like Mason. It seems well suited to the project that I am working on. Very well documented as well. > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 10:08 -0500, Alan Mead wrote: >> Elias Lutfallah wrote: >> > Thanks for the info. I think I'll stick with Mason. I dabbled with TT >> a >> > couple years back and didn't find it as intuitive as Mason. YMMV. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Eli >> > >> >> Eli, >> >> Are you familiar with Catalyst or Maypole? >> >> http://search.cpan.org/~agrundma/Catalyst-5.6902/lib/Catalyst.pm >> http://search.cpan.org/~teejay/Maypole-2.11_pre3/lib/Maypole.pm > > ..or http://www.jifty.org (which uses mason) > or http://www.plainblack.com/webgui > > > > >> >> >From your description... I thought these might be handy. I guess you >> could say that Catalyst adds an MVC framework to TT. >> >> -Alan >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago-talk mailing list >> Chicago-talk at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- > Scott T. Hildreth > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From arodland at comcast.net Fri Jun 16 14:17:14 2006 From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Templating bits Message-ID: <200606161617.14765.arodland@comcast.net> The discussion above about Mason and TT got me thinking about something interesting. At work we use Catalyst for our web apps, with a templating system that I'd never run into before: "Petal", based on Zope's TAL language. At first, I found it difficult and downright bizarre, but after about a month, I came to really love it. Why? Because it demands to work with well-formed XML, and works on the _structure_ of the document rather than just considering it as a load of text. In fact, I'm just now wrapping up my first project to make really major use of Petal. Would anyone be interested in seeing a short project talk: "Dynamic website translation with Petal and Gettext" ? :) Andrew From frag at ripco.com Fri Jun 16 14:40:14 2006 From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:40:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Templating bits In-Reply-To: <200606161617.14765.arodland@comcast.net> References: <200606161617.14765.arodland@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Andrew Rodland wrote: > In fact, I'm just now wrapping up my first project to make really major use of > Petal. Would anyone be interested in seeing a short project talk: "Dynamic > website translation with Petal and Gettext" ? :) I'd be interested, especially if you can expand upon why Petal is worthwhile. -- Mike F. From zrusilla at mac.com Fri Jun 16 14:56:19 2006 From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:56:19 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Templating bits In-Reply-To: <200606161617.14765.arodland@comcast.net> References: <200606161617.14765.arodland@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9463470.1150494979311.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Sure! And when you're done come on out to LA and give a talk here :-) >Would anyone be interested in seeing a short project talk: "Dynamic >website translation with Petal and Gettext" ? :) > >Andrew From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 15:08:30 2006 From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:08:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Templating bits In-Reply-To: <200606161617.14765.arodland@comcast.net> References: <200606161617.14765.arodland@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43e95380606161508m89aec50ocda1c80a96ac7f77@mail.gmail.com> That sounds like a good talkl On 6/16/06, Andrew Rodland wrote: > > In fact, I'm just now wrapping up my first project to make really major > use of > Petal. Would anyone be interested in seeing a short project talk: "Dynamic > website translation with Petal and Gettext" ? :) > > -- http://AnythingButPHP.blogspot.com http://CodeSnipers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Because it demands to work with > well-formed XML, and works on the _structure_ of the document rather than > just considering it as a load of text. > > In fact, I'm just now wrapping up my first project to make really major > use of > Petal. Would anyone be interested in seeing a short project talk: "Dynamic > website translation with Petal and Gettext" ? :) > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From jon at jrock.us Fri Jun 16 19:19:09 2006 From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:19:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Faking an LDAP server during tests? Message-ID: <4493669D.10502@jrock.us> I'm the author of the Apache::AuthLDAPBind module, which authenticates a user to Apache by binding to an LDAP server with the provided username and password (more on this configuration below). In the interest of completeness, I'm in the process of writing a thorough test suite for the module. Getting an Apache running via Apache::Test is simple enough, but here's the tough part: How can I get mod_perl to load a fake Net::LDAP for my module? I'm familiar with Test::MockObject, and that's what I'd like to use here, but I can't think of a way to do this without touching the code of Apache/AuthLDAPBind.pm. Modification to the module which would detect whether or not we're testing kind of defeats the purpose of testing (if $doing_test then work_properly(); else fail_miserably_in_production(); :) Anyway, any insight would be appreciated. And while we're on the topic, I'm wondering how common this configuration is. All of the other AuthLDAP* (and mod_ldap_*... there are a lot of them) seem to pull a password hash out of LDAP, and then check the password against the hash. The computer center here requires the application to bind with the user's (c)netid and password, and if the bind succeeds the application is to assume that the password is correct. All in all, this seems like a better system, but I haven't seen anyone else using it. Comments? Regards, Jonathan Rockway -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 370 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20060616/a0c17af3/attachment.bin From eli at mortgagefolder.com Fri Jun 16 21:29:11 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:29:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Faking an LDAP server during tests? In-Reply-To: <4493669D.10502@jrock.us> References: <4493669D.10502@jrock.us> Message-ID: <56341.68.20.14.131.1150518551.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Jonathan, Off the top of my head, you could prompt for a live LDAP server to test against. If none is provided, skip the test. I've seen some other modules/software work this way. Chances are if someone is installing the module, they have access to some LDAP server. As far as faking one, I have no idea. > I'm the author of the Apache::AuthLDAPBind module, which authenticates a > user to Apache by binding to an LDAP server with the provided username > and password (more on this configuration below). [snip] -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From lembark at wrkhors.com Sun Jun 18 12:08:37 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:08:37 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Faking an LDAP server during tests? In-Reply-To: <4493669D.10502@jrock.us> References: <4493669D.10502@jrock.us> Message-ID: -- Jonathan Rockway > Anyway, any insight would be appreciated. Perl Testing Programmer's Notebook from O'Reilly (blue job with the pre-printed coffee stains). Extreme summary: Write a "fake" module that returns success/failure for a specific set of calls or a specific set of data for them. Call that class and record whether your client code properly recognizes the exceptions, returns, and failures. No reason you can't embed the fake class into your .t code. Once you have tested whether your code can deal with failures and baseline call syntax appropriately there really isn't more you can do without a "real" server. Sub::AutoStub does some of this for you easily by allowing the methods to return a fixed value via AUTOLOAD (i.e., saves you from having to hack out and maintain a bunch of stubs just for the one test). -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com 1 888 359 3508 From andy at petdance.com Mon Jun 19 09:19:55 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:19:55 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Beta testers need for Socialtext Open Source Release Message-ID: I work for Socialtext, and we make an industrial-strength wiki for large groups. For details on what makes Socialtext more powerful than most wikis, see http://www.socialtext.com/products/features/ We're releasing Socialtext as open source. The official release will be at OSCON in Portland, but right now, I need beta testers who are willing to test out the tarballs and the installation instructions, and provide feedback. I need someone fairly technically savvy, because part of the install may be debugging what we missed in the instructions or tarballs. I'll probably have multiple releases of the tarballs, too, as I get feedback from the testers. Note that this is just testing the install & installation instructions, not the application itself. Requirements: * Needs a box to play with that they don't mind screwing up * Must have root on the box * Able to run Postgres * Apache 1, or Apache 1 & Apache 2 * Perl 5.8.4 * Experience installing apps from tarballs, not Debian or RPM packages * Availability to work with me on problems if I need to get some post-mortems. If you're interested, please email me at andy.lester at socialtext.com, NOT here, with the words "OSR beta" in the subject. Please let me know what system you're running. We aren't supporting Windows at this point, but will be glad to hear from Mac folks. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 10:15:00 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:15:00 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Arrival Dinner Message-ID: <49d805d70606191015g5a9ee704w2597f28ae823cb07@mail.gmail.com> I think that Uri is having to turn in the head-count for the arrival dinner today. I'm sure that he'll pad the numbers a little, but it would help to go ahead and sign up now if you are planning on going. http://www.yapcchicago.org/wiki/index.cgi?ArrivalDinner Thanks, Josh From jason at multiply.org Mon Jun 19 19:23:38 2006 From: jason at multiply.org (jason gessner) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:23:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: References: <49d805d70606151123iddd5906sa787f5c369250ad5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44975C2A.6040303@multiply.org> are we still thinking about getting some buttons or has that ship sailed? I am down for $25 or so if we want to get the buttons..... -jason From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 20:40:10 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Buttons In-Reply-To: <44975C2A.6040303@multiply.org> References: <49d805d70606151123iddd5906sa787f5c369250ad5@mail.gmail.com> <44975C2A.6040303@multiply.org> Message-ID: <49d805d70606192040i265c3c07w2608ffac6fa2acee@mail.gmail.com> > are we still thinking about getting some buttons or has that ship > sailed? I am down for $25 or so if we want to get the buttons..... They are on order. Right now we are thinking that there is pleanty of yapc cash to cover them. From warren at warrenandrachel.com Mon Jun 19 21:34:28 2006 From: warren at warrenandrachel.com (Warren Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:34:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Templating bits In-Reply-To: <56168.68.20.14.131.1150499513.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> References: <200606161617.14765.arodland@comcast.net> <56168.68.20.14.131.1150499513.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: <44977AD4.6010205@warrenandrachel.com> If you need some more ammo, give me a holler. I have *much* experience with Petal. See revision 2.11; I've been in the source many, many times. Elias Lutfallah wrote: > That would be worthwhile and interesting. > > > >> The discussion above about Mason and TT got me thinking about something >> interesting. At work we use Catalyst for our web apps, with a templating >> system that I'd never run into before: "Petal", based on Zope's TAL >> language. >> At first, I found it difficult and downright bizarre, but after about a >> month, I came to really love it. Why? Because it demands to work with >> well-formed XML, and works on the _structure_ of the document rather than >> just considering it as a load of text. >> >> In fact, I'm just now wrapping up my first project to make really major >> use of >> Petal. Would anyone be interested in seeing a short project talk: "Dynamic >> website translation with Petal and Gettext" ? :) >> >> Andrew >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago-talk mailing list >> Chicago-talk at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk >> >> > > > From jon at jrock.us Tue Jun 20 07:49:19 2006 From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:49:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Faking an LDAP server during tests? In-Reply-To: References: <4493669D.10502@jrock.us> Message-ID: <44980AEF.4000602@jrock.us> Thanks for this. What I realized from reading this is that I don't actually need to load my module into Apache to test its functionality. I can call the handler as though it were a regular subroutine. However, this opens up the new problem of faking the Apache->request object. I think if I manipulate @INC to look for modules (first) in "t/" while the tests are running, I can write fake versions of Apache and Net::LDAP that will automagically load and suit my needs. This isn't optimal, though, because I don't want to introduce bugs in my tests by not doing a good enough job of faking Net::LDAP and Apache::*. I think I will need to research this further and write a Test::Apache::MockObject. There should be a way to inject code into modules loaded into Apache by loading another module to manipulate the symbol table at the right moment. Unfortunately I'm kind of busy until after YAPC, so this will have to wait. In the mean time, please feel free to provide additional suggestions :) Regards, Jonathan Rockway Steven Lembark wrote: > > -- Jonathan Rockway > >> Anyway, any insight would be appreciated. > > Perl Testing Programmer's Notebook from O'Reilly > (blue job with the pre-printed coffee stains). > > Extreme summary: Write a "fake" module that returns > success/failure for a specific set of calls or a > specific set of data for them. Call that class and > record whether your client code properly recognizes > the exceptions, returns, and failures. No reason you > can't embed the fake class into your .t code. > > Once you have tested whether your code can deal with > failures and baseline call syntax appropriately there > really isn't more you can do without a "real" server. > Sub::AutoStub does some of this for you easily by > allowing the methods to return a fixed value via > AUTOLOAD (i.e., saves you from having to hack out > and maintain a bunch of stubs just for the one test). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 370 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20060620/00e35ae5/attachment.bin From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 13:24:56 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:24:56 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza Message-ID: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> Okay, so the subject of this email might be a little misleading, but YAPC is next week and the swag for the swag bags is starting to pile in. The bags themselves should be here by Thursday, so let's have a little meet-up then to get them all together before the weekend. When: Thursday, June 22nd 2006 Where: 1250 S. Michigan Ave. Apt. 907 Please let me know if you can make it. From andy at petdance.com Tue Jun 20 13:26:28 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:26:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Joshua McAdams wrote: > When: Thursday, June 22nd 2006 > Where: 1250 S. Michigan Ave. Apt. 907 I'm actually tempted, but I have to go see Robbie Fulks at Harper College in Palatine! -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From kent at c2group.net Tue Jun 20 13:31:08 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:31:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> Josh: Happy to show up, if only I knew what time! On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Joshua McAdams wrote: > Okay, so the subject of this email might be a little misleading, but > YAPC is next week and the swag for the swag bags is starting to pile > in. The bags themselves should be here by Thursday, so let's have a > little meet-up then to get them all together before the weekend. > > When: Thursday, June 22nd 2006 > Where: 1250 S. Michigan Ave. Apt. 907 > > Please let me know if you can make it. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Jun 20 13:44:05 2006 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: 20 Jun 2006 13:44:05 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <863bdz7e22.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Joshua" == Joshua McAdams writes: Joshua> Okay, so the subject of this email might be a little misleading, but Joshua> YAPC is next week and the swag for the swag bags is starting to pile Joshua> in. The bags themselves should be here by Thursday, so let's have a Joshua> little meet-up then to get them all together before the weekend. Be sure to play the Swag Bag Rag to accompany the task! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From zrusilla at mac.com Tue Jun 20 13:53:54 2006 From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:53:54 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <863bdz7e22.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> <863bdz7e22.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <15084329.1150836834369.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> >Be sure to play the Swag Bag Rag to accompany the task! Is there an official swag-bag tag? From eli at mortgagefolder.com Tue Jun 20 14:06:13 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:06:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <28394.68.251.86.66.1150837573.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Same here. > > Happy to show up, if only I knew what time! > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Joshua McAdams wrote: > >> Okay, so the subject of this email might be a little misleading, but >> YAPC is next week and the swag for the swag bags is starting to pile >> in. The bags themselves should be here by Thursday, so let's have a >> little meet-up then to get them all together before the weekend. >> >> When: Thursday, June 22nd 2006 >> Where: 1250 S. Michigan Ave. Apt. 907 >> >> Please let me know if you can make it. -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 15:14:02 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:14:02 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> > Happy to show up, if only I knew what time! Oops. I was thinking 7pm. However, after talking with someone who has done a few conferences, I've been advised that trucking a few hundred bags worth of stuff from one location to another can be a real pain in the rear and that since everything is nicely boxed up now, it might be better to wait and do bag-assembly at IIT. On top of that, some of the swag items might not show up until Saturday!!! So, how about rescheduling this for Sunday afternoon? I'm still working on the time. There will already be some of us on campus working with the video and wireless, so more might as well show up and sit in the nice big gallery lounge in Herman instead of my little one-bedroom apartment. Apologies for the false start there... Sunday afternoon, pre-pre-conference party. (The pre-conference party being at Goose Island!) From jt at plainblack.com Tue Jun 20 15:30:50 2006 From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:30:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll be there. On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:14:02 -0400 "Joshua McAdams" wrote: >> Happy to show up, if only I knew what time! > > Oops. I was thinking 7pm. > > However, after talking with someone who has done a few conferences, > I've been advised that trucking a few hundred bags worth of stuff from > one location to another can be a real pain in the rear and that since > everything is nicely boxed up now, it might be better to wait and do > bag-assembly at IIT. On top of that, some of the swag items might not > show up until Saturday!!! > > So, how about rescheduling this for Sunday afternoon? I'm still > working on the time. > > There will already be some of us on campus working with the video and > wireless, so more might as well show up and sit in the nice big > gallery lounge in Herman instead of my little one-bedroom apartment. > > Apologies for the false start there... Sunday afternoon, > pre-pre-conference party. (The pre-conference party being at Goose > Island!) > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk JT ~ Plain Black ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810 fax: 312-264-5382 http://www.plainblack.com I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage From frag at ripco.com Tue Jun 20 15:35:04 2006 From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:35:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That probably counts me out; I've got out-of-town friends visiting Sunday. But I might be able to get there by 4 if it's still going on. On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Joshua McAdams wrote: > So, how about rescheduling this for Sunday afternoon? I'm still > working on the time. From zrusilla at mac.com Tue Jun 20 15:42:25 2006 From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:42:25 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4009179.1150843345269.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Sunday works better for me. Liz On Tuesday, June 20, 2006, at 03:14PM, Joshua McAdams wrote: >> Happy to show up, if only I knew what time! > >Oops. I was thinking 7pm. > >However, after talking with someone who has done a few conferences, >I've been advised that trucking a few hundred bags worth of stuff from >one location to another can be a real pain in the rear and that since >everything is nicely boxed up now, it might be better to wait and do >bag-assembly at IIT. On top of that, some of the swag items might not >show up until Saturday!!! > >So, how about rescheduling this for Sunday afternoon? I'm still >working on the time. > >There will already be some of us on campus working with the video and >wireless, so more might as well show up and sit in the nice big >gallery lounge in Herman instead of my little one-bedroom apartment. > >Apologies for the false start there... Sunday afternoon, >pre-pre-conference party. (The pre-conference party being at Goose >Island!) >_______________________________________________ >Chicago-talk mailing list >Chicago-talk at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > From kent at c2group.net Tue Jun 20 15:53:09 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:53:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060620175252.A46667@atbash.c2group.net> I'm still in. On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Joshua McAdams wrote: > So, how about rescheduling this for Sunday afternoon? I'm still > working on the time. From warren at warrenandrachel.com Tue Jun 20 16:51:30 2006 From: warren at warrenandrachel.com (warren at warrenandrachel.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:51:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Faking an LDAP server during tests? In-Reply-To: <44980AEF.4000602@jrock.us> References: <4493669D.10502@jrock.us> <44980AEF.4000602@jrock.us> Message-ID: <45649.68.74.78.219.1150847490.squirrel@68.74.78.219> Have you thought of connecting to a real LDAP server and doing your queries, then using Storable or Data::Dumper to store the results of these? That would greatly simplify your needs if all you had to do was create a hash lookup that bound LDAP queries to result sets. > Thanks for this. What I realized from reading this is that I don't > actually need to load my module into Apache to test its functionality. > I can call the handler as though it were a regular subroutine. > > However, this opens up the new problem of faking the Apache->request > object. I think if I manipulate @INC to look for modules (first) in > "t/" while the tests are running, I can write fake versions of Apache > and Net::LDAP that will automagically load and suit my needs. > > This isn't optimal, though, because I don't want to introduce bugs in my > tests by not doing a good enough job of faking Net::LDAP and Apache::*. > > I think I will need to research this further and write a > Test::Apache::MockObject. There should be a way to inject code into > modules loaded into Apache by loading another module to manipulate the > symbol table at the right moment. > > Unfortunately I'm kind of busy until after YAPC, so this will have to > wait. In the mean time, please feel free to provide additional > suggestions :) > > Regards, > Jonathan Rockway > > Steven Lembark wrote: >> >> -- Jonathan Rockway >> >>> Anyway, any insight would be appreciated. >> >> Perl Testing Programmer's Notebook from O'Reilly >> (blue job with the pre-printed coffee stains). >> >> Extreme summary: Write a "fake" module that returns >> success/failure for a specific set of calls or a >> specific set of data for them. Call that class and >> record whether your client code properly recognizes >> the exceptions, returns, and failures. No reason you >> can't embed the fake class into your .t code. >> >> Once you have tested whether your code can deal with >> failures and baseline call syntax appropriately there >> really isn't more you can do without a "real" server. > > >> Sub::AutoStub does some of this for you easily by >> allowing the methods to return a fixed value via >> AUTOLOAD (i.e., saves you from having to hack out >> and maintain a bunch of stubs just for the one test). > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 21:05:11 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:05:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Volunteerism Message-ID: <49d805d70606202105w2f452906n979becd318b38b6f@mail.gmail.com> It looks like there are still quite a few holes in the volunteer sign-up sheet on the organizational wiki. We will be opening this up to the rest of the conference attendees in a few days, so if you are interested in helping out, now is a good time to sign up. Chicago.pm'ers first dibbs at volunteering and reaping the rewards of your efforts... - Free entrance for a significant other to the Tuesday night conference banquet. These are tickets that we'll be selling for $50 each, which include dinner and four hours of free game play at Dave & Busters. - An invite to the speaker party that is happening the Wednesday night after YAPC where you can kick back with many of the speakers who will be at the conference, eat some of Uri's cooking, watch the Navy Pier fireworks, and just take it easy because the conference will be done! Sign-up at http://www.yapcchicago.org/orgwiki/doku.php?id=volunteer_coordination. The user/pass for the site is chi06/pap3rw0rk. You'll need to create your own user name to edit. Thanks and see you at YAPC, Josh From ann at domaintje.com Tue Jun 20 23:49:21 2006 From: ann at domaintje.com (Ann Barcomb) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: <20060620175252.A46667@atbash.c2group.net> References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> <20060620175252.A46667@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <20060621004904.O48621@cerin.biocede.com> I might be up for this. > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > So, how about rescheduling this for Sunday afternoon? I'm still > working on the time. From jon at jrock.us Wed Jun 21 09:54:00 2006 From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:54:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Faking an LDAP server during tests? In-Reply-To: <45649.68.74.78.219.1150847490.squirrel@68.74.78.219> References: <4493669D.10502@jrock.us> <44980AEF.4000602@jrock.us> <45649.68.74.78.219.1150847490.squirrel@68.74.78.219> Message-ID: <449979A8.2020705@jrock.us> warren at warrenandrachel.com wrote: > Have you thought of connecting to a real LDAP server and doing your > queries, then using Storable or Data::Dumper to store the results of > these? That would greatly simplify your needs if all you had to do was > create a hash lookup that bound LDAP queries to result sets. > You still need some way to "play back" these results -- this functionality isn't built into Net::LDAP, and thus is where the difficulty arises. However, it's almost worth it to make a small dummy LDAP server, start that, then run the tests. Still, that's kind of a specific solution, rather than a decent Good::Enough::For::CPAN general solution :) Regards, Jonathan Rockway From e.ellington at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 08:58:41 2006 From: e.ellington at gmail.com (Eric Ellington) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:58:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Packages on holiday? Message-ID: Hello all, I am trying to see if there is a package that will do a bunch of holiday tracking. I need a date class that will let me input all US holidays, last working day before the holiday, first working day after holiday, and an English identifier of the holiday. So when I print up a report I know that all the data I see happened the first working day after Christmas. I saw Date::Business but that does not seem to handle holidays that fall on certain days of the week. I also saw Date::Gregorian::Business but that does not seem to care about the holidays it just ignores them, and does not store the name of the holiday. Does anyone know about a package that will do what I want, or has anyone come up with a solution to this problem before? Thanks, -- Eric Ellington e.ellington at gmail.com From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 09:09:15 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Packages on holiday? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49d805d70606220909p26f466bex868f79a447bde1f7@mail.gmail.com> > Does anyone know about a package that will do what I want, or has > anyone come up with a solution to this problem before? I think that the DateTime project and it's respective DateTime::Calendar's are the current attempt and wrangling in dates. You might browse around in those or hunt down Dave at YAPC. From lembark at wrkhors.com Thu Jun 22 10:45:04 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Packages on holiday? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <449AD720.7070709@wrkhors.com> > I am trying to see if there is a package that will do a bunch of > holiday tracking. I need a date class that will let me input all US > holidays, last working day before the holiday, first working day after > holiday, and an English identifier of the holiday. So when I print up > a report I know that all the data I see happened the first working day > after Christmas. Date::Manip has holiday functionality. You'd have to build the sequencer on top of it but D::M will store the "first friday after the last day in Month X" sort of rules. -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From bdoty at efs-us.com Thu Jun 22 12:48:34 2006 From: bdoty at efs-us.com (Brad Doty) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:48:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Kwiki Message-ID: Josh, Cool Kwiki. Beautiful maps. The big number stamps at IIT are very helpful. Now I know where the heck I'm going. Brad From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 12:52:42 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Kwiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49d805d70606221252o1a80df36x5692ec16ff8fb48d@mail.gmail.com> > Cool Kwiki. Beautiful maps. The big number stamps at IIT are very > helpful. Now I know where the heck I'm going. I just wish we had a higher quality map to work with, but I think those at least suffice :) From eli at mortgagefolder.com Thu Jun 22 13:09:34 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:09:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Kwiki In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606221252o1a80df36x5692ec16ff8fb48d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606221252o1a80df36x5692ec16ff8fb48d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <28256.68.251.86.66.1151006974.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> This one appears to have the right connectors: Hawking HAO9SI Hi-Gain Omni-Directional 2.4 GHz 9dBi Outdoor Antenna Kit Fry's Outpost ID: 4019252 I can go pick these up if I will get reimbursed. That way I can take the unit with me and make sure that the connector is compatible. >> Cool Kwiki. Beautiful maps. The big number stamps at IIT are very >> helpful. Now I know where the heck I'm going. > > I just wish we had a higher quality map to work with, but I think > those at least suffice :) > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From eli at mortgagefolder.com Thu Jun 22 13:18:44 2006 From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:18:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Kwiki In-Reply-To: <28256.68.251.86.66.1151006974.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> References: <49d805d70606221252o1a80df36x5692ec16ff8fb48d@mail.gmail.com> <28256.68.251.86.66.1151006974.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Message-ID: <28208.68.251.86.66.1151007524.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com> Sorry, That was meant to go to Josh. I'm such a loser. > This one appears to have the right connectors: > > Hawking HAO9SI Hi-Gain Omni-Directional 2.4 GHz 9dBi Outdoor Antenna Kit > Fry's Outpost ID: 4019252 > > I can go pick these up if I will get reimbursed. That way I can take the > unit with me and make sure that the connector is compatible. > >>> Cool Kwiki. Beautiful maps. The big number stamps at IIT are very >>> helpful. Now I know where the heck I'm going. >> >> I just wish we had a higher quality map to work with, but I think >> those at least suffice :) >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago-talk mailing list >> Chicago-talk at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk >> > > > -- > Elias Lutfallah > Chief Technology Officer > Mortgage Desk, Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- Elias Lutfallah Chief Technology Officer Mortgage Desk, Inc. From mongers at bsod.net Fri Jun 23 08:59:55 2006 From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:59:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed Message-ID: Hi, everyone! We're still looking for volunteers to do the following: Room moderators: Room moderators will help speakers get their slides ready to go, announce speakers, make sure that speakers don't run over into other sessions, and help oversee any question and answer sessions after talks. Room minders will also announce breaks, lunches, and special events. Camera: Cameramen will work with the room moderators to make sure that the AV system is properly setup and recording. They will also control the filming of each talk. These are the slots that are still available: Room moderators: Monday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni Monday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Alumni Tuesday, 8:30-10:05 AM: Alumni Tuesday, 10:25 AM- Noon: Alumni Tuesday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom Tuesday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni Camera: Monday, 11:15 AM- Noon: Alumni Tuesday, 8:30-10:05 AM: Alumni Tuesday, 10:25 AM- Noon: Alumni Tuesday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Alumni Tuesday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Alumni If you're going to be in any of these places watching talks, please consider taking one of the volunteer duties. We're going to have to ask other people if they want to volunteer if no one else steps forward, and that looks very bad on Chicago.pm if that happens. We want everyone else to be proud of the work our PM group has done for the conference! If you want to volunteer, send me a message or sign up on the wiki (username and password on the last message sent). Also, if anyone wants to be a "backup" in a slot already taken, please let us know - it can't hurt to have it. Thanks (in alpha order) to Kent Cowgill, Jason Crome, Brad Doty, Mike Fragassi, Ryan Gerry, and Andy Lester for volunteering! We will also be having a volunteer meeting on Sunday afternoon. It is not required to be there, but we'd appreciate the help, and we'll have to corner you before your shift to explain your duties. Thanks, -Pete K -- Pete Krawczyk mongers at bsod dot net From shild at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 18:10:45 2006 From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:10:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 10:59 -0500, Pete Krawczyk wrote: > These are the slots that are still available: > > Room moderators: > Monday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni > Monday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Alumni > Tuesday, 8:30-10:05 AM: Alumni > Tuesday, 10:25 AM- Noon: Alumni > Tuesday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom I'll be in the ballroom from 1:30 - 3:05 so I will take that one. > Tuesday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni I can take this one for the Auditorium > > If you want to volunteer, send me a message or sign up on the wiki > (username and password on the last message sent). Also, if anyone wants > to be a "backup" in a slot already taken, please let us know - it can't > hurt to have it. > > Thanks (in alpha order) to Kent Cowgill, Jason Crome, Brad Doty, Mike > Fragassi, Ryan Gerry, and Andy Lester for volunteering! > > We will also be having a volunteer meeting on Sunday afternoon. It is not > required to be there, but we'd appreciate the help, and we'll have to > corner you before your shift to explain your duties. > > Thanks, > -Pete K -- Scott T. Hildreth From shild at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 18:10:45 2006 From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:10:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 10:59 -0500, Pete Krawczyk wrote: > These are the slots that are still available: > > Room moderators: > Monday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni > Monday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Alumni > Tuesday, 8:30-10:05 AM: Alumni > Tuesday, 10:25 AM- Noon: Alumni > Tuesday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom I'll be in the ballroom from 1:30 - 3:05 so I will take that one. > Tuesday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni I can take this one for the Auditorium > > If you want to volunteer, send me a message or sign up on the wiki > (username and password on the last message sent). Also, if anyone wants > to be a "backup" in a slot already taken, please let us know - it can't > hurt to have it. > > Thanks (in alpha order) to Kent Cowgill, Jason Crome, Brad Doty, Mike > Fragassi, Ryan Gerry, and Andy Lester for volunteering! > > We will also be having a volunteer meeting on Sunday afternoon. It is not > required to be there, but we'd appreciate the help, and we'll have to > corner you before your shift to explain your duties. > > Thanks, > -Pete K -- Scott T. Hildreth From shild at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 18:12:40 2006 From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:12:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151111561.60254.5.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 10:59 -0500, Pete Krawczyk wrote: > These are the slots that are still available: > > Room moderators: > Monday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni > Monday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Alumni > Tuesday, 8:30-10:05 AM: Alumni > Tuesday, 10:25 AM- Noon: Alumni > Tuesday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom I'll be in the ballroom from 1:30 - 3:05 so I will take that one. > Tuesday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni I can take this one for the Auditorium > > If you want to volunteer, send me a message or sign up on the wiki > (username and password on the last message sent). Also, if anyone wants > to be a "backup" in a slot already taken, please let us know - it can't > hurt to have it. > > Thanks (in alpha order) to Kent Cowgill, Jason Crome, Brad Doty, Mike > Fragassi, Ryan Gerry, and Andy Lester for volunteering! > > We will also be having a volunteer meeting on Sunday afternoon. It is not > required to be there, but we'd appreciate the help, and we'll have to > corner you before your shift to explain your duties. > > Thanks, > -Pete K -- Scott T. Hildreth From shild at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 18:14:12 2006 From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:14:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> References: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1151111652.60254.7.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> Sorry about the duplicates... On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 20:10 -0500, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 10:59 -0500, Pete Krawczyk wrote: > > > These are the slots that are still available: > > > > Room moderators: > > Monday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni > > Monday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Alumni > > > > Tuesday, 8:30-10:05 AM: Alumni > > Tuesday, 10:25 AM- Noon: Alumni > > > Tuesday, 1:30- 3:05 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom > > I'll be in the ballroom from 1:30 - 3:05 so I will take that one. > > > > Tuesday, 3:25- 5:00 PM: Auditorium, Ballroom, Alumni > > I can take this one for the Auditorium > > > > > If you want to volunteer, send me a message or sign up on the wiki > > (username and password on the last message sent). Also, if anyone wants > > to be a "backup" in a slot already taken, please let us know - it can't > > hurt to have it. > > > > Thanks (in alpha order) to Kent Cowgill, Jason Crome, Brad Doty, Mike > > Fragassi, Ryan Gerry, and Andy Lester for volunteering! > > > > We will also be having a volunteer meeting on Sunday afternoon. It is not > > required to be there, but we'd appreciate the help, and we'll have to > > corner you before your shift to explain your duties. > > > > Thanks, > > -Pete K -- Scott T. Hildreth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20060623/ff0e6620/attachment.html From andy at petdance.com Fri Jun 23 18:16:20 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:16:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: <1151111652.60254.7.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> References: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1151111652.60254.7.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1A5F382B-E16F-4CD7-AACC-857C768B584A@petdance.com> On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:14 PM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > Sorry about the duplicates... Are you sorry about the duplicates? -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From shild at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 18:30:44 2006 From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:30:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: <1A5F382B-E16F-4CD7-AACC-857C768B584A@petdance.com> References: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1151111652.60254.7.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1A5F382B-E16F-4CD7-AACC-857C768B584A@petdance.com> Message-ID: <1151112645.60254.10.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 20:16 -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:14 PM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > > Sorry about the duplicates... > > Are you sorry about the duplicates? Si, sorry about the duplicate emails. I was getting a sendmail error and thought the emails weren't being sent. You know if something is not working you click the button several times till it does work. :-) > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -- Scott T. Hildreth From andy at petdance.com Fri Jun 23 18:38:05 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: <1151112645.60254.10.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> References: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1151111652.60254.7.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1A5F382B-E16F-4CD7-AACC-857C768B584A@petdance.com> <1151112645.60254.10.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <06D0E0E3-38DF-431A-9107-99FBEEB41C19@petdance.com> On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: >>> Sorry about the duplicates... >> >> Are you sorry about the duplicates? > > Si, sorry about the duplicate emails. Are you sorry about the duplicates? -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From andrew at broscom.com Fri Jun 23 18:50:42 2006 From: andrew at broscom.com (Andrew Brosnan) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:50:42 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: <06D0E0E3-38DF-431A-9107-99FBEEB41C19@petdance.com> Message-ID: On 6/23/06 at 8:38 PM, andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) wrote: > > On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > >>> Sorry about the duplicates... > >> > >> Are you sorry about the duplicates? > > > > Si, sorry about the duplicate emails. > > Are you sorry about the duplicates? But why is the rum gone? -- Andrew Brosnan - Broscom LLC - 1 207 925-1156 andrew at broscom.com - Programming, Consulting, Websites, Hosting From shild at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 19:11:53 2006 From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: <06D0E0E3-38DF-431A-9107-99FBEEB41C19@petdance.com> References: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1151111652.60254.7.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1A5F382B-E16F-4CD7-AACC-857C768B584A@petdance.com> <1151112645.60254.10.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <06D0E0E3-38DF-431A-9107-99FBEEB41C19@petdance.com> Message-ID: <1151115114.60254.12.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 20:38 -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > >>> Sorry about the duplicates... > >> > >> Are you sorry about the duplicates? > > > > Si, sorry about the duplicate emails. > > Are you sorry about the duplicates? ...okay, I'm missing a good joke here... what? > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -- Scott T. Hildreth From andy at petdance.com Fri Jun 23 19:16:59 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:16:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: <1151115114.60254.12.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> References: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1151111652.60254.7.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1A5F382B-E16F-4CD7-AACC-857C768B584A@petdance.com> <1151112645.60254.10.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <06D0E0E3-38DF-431A-9107-99FBEEB41C19@petdance.com> <1151115114.60254.12.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <962FAD79-99AF-45C8-96C8-CB5CD374EFE6@petdance.com> On Jun 23, 2006, at 9:11 PM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 20:38 -0500, Andy Lester wrote: >> On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: >> >>>>> Sorry about the duplicates... >>>> >>>> Are you sorry about the duplicates? >>> >>> Si, sorry about the duplicate emails. >> >> Are you sorry about the duplicates? > > ...okay, I'm missing a good joke here... what? I'm just goofin' on the dupes. :-) -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From shild at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 19:40:14 2006 From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:40:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Volunteers still needed In-Reply-To: <962FAD79-99AF-45C8-96C8-CB5CD374EFE6@petdance.com> References: <1151111445.60254.3.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1151111652.60254.7.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <1A5F382B-E16F-4CD7-AACC-857C768B584A@petdance.com> <1151112645.60254.10.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <06D0E0E3-38DF-431A-9107-99FBEEB41C19@petdance.com> <1151115114.60254.12.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> <962FAD79-99AF-45C8-96C8-CB5CD374EFE6@petdance.com> Message-ID: <1151116815.60254.15.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:16 -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > On Jun 23, 2006, at 9:11 PM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 20:38 -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > >> On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > >> > >>>>> Sorry about the duplicates... > >>>> > >>>> Are you sorry about the duplicates? > >>> > >>> Si, sorry about the duplicate emails. > >> > >> Are you sorry about the duplicates? > > > > ...okay, I'm missing a good joke here... what? > > > I'm just goofin' on the dupes. :-) Ahh, got it now, "gooda won" :-) > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -- Scott T. Hildreth From andy at petdance.com Sat Jun 24 12:13:21 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:13:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Down to the wire Message-ID: I just finished my overhaul of my "Get out of technical debt now!" slides. I still have to finish my lightning talk slides. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Sat Jun 24 15:39:24 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:39:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Down to the wire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> > I just finished my overhaul of my "Get out of technical debt now!" > slides. > > I still have to finish my lightning talk slides. :) You're probably the only person presenting who has actually finished their slides. From jt at plainblack.com Sat Jun 24 16:27:01 2006 From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:27:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Down to the wire In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > :) You're probably the only person presenting who has actually > finished their slides. I'm done. Finished 3 minutes ago. =) JT ~ Plain Black ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810 fax: 312-264-5382 http://www.plainblack.com I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage From steve at fisharerojo.org Sat Jun 24 13:53:03 2006 From: steve at fisharerojo.org (Steve Peters) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Down to the wire In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060624205303.GB5176@fisharerojo.org> On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 05:39:24PM -0500, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > I just finished my overhaul of my "Get out of technical debt now!" > > slides. > > > > I still have to finish my lightning talk slides. > > :) You're probably the only person presenting who has actually > finished their slides. Really, I'm almost done. I just am making them pretty for y'all :) Steve Peters steve at fisharerojo.org From dha at panix.com Sun Jun 25 01:50:56 2006 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:50:56 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Down to the wire In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060625085056.GC12260@panix.com> On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 05:39:24PM -0500, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > I just finished my overhaul of my "Get out of technical debt now!" > > slides. > > > > I still have to finish my lightning talk slides. > > :) You're probably the only person presenting who has actually > finished their slides. "Probably"? You *are* new at this, aren't you? :-) dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Nothing makes me appreciate Perl more than malloc. - Andy Lester From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 05:22:44 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:22:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Thursday Night Swag-Bag Extravaganza In-Reply-To: References: <49d805d70606201324x2c2e038agc87acbaf3fd0ea2d@mail.gmail.com> <20060620152905.T43080@atbash.c2group.net> <49d805d70606201514lcbf4df7n9083124c855c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70606250522h7c6258b5jd59aeae9269963e6@mail.gmail.com> > Did you ever announce what time the swag bagging would be taking place? > Still at your place or IIT? If you still need help, I can pitch in. We can meet up at 3 p.m. at Herman Hall and find a place from there. From brian.d.foy at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 01:06:34 2006 From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:06:34 +0100 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Down to the wire In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2715accf0606250106m75580b22la185836fea6afa07@mail.gmail.com> On 6/24/06, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > I just finished my overhaul of my "Get out of technical debt now!" > > slides. > > > > I still have to finish my lightning talk slides. > > :) You're probably the only person presenting who has actually > finished their slides. I finished the slides for my first talk a couple of days ago, and I have proof attached! If anyone has any other comments on the Conferences for Beginners talk, let me know and I'll fix up the slides before I kick things off tomorrow. -- brian d foy http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ConferencesForBeginners.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 224369 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20060625/6da9f1ff/attachment-0001.pdf From jason at multiply.org Sun Jun 25 10:02:09 2006 From: jason at multiply.org (jason gessner) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:02:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Down to the wire In-Reply-To: <2715accf0606250106m75580b22la185836fea6afa07@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70606241539h1506c9e8xb79c427a9fe76bdb@mail.gmail.com> <2715accf0606250106m75580b22la185836fea6afa07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8983555B-6451-440D-98DD-9DA70FB22CE3@multiply.org> still finishing mine! I have screenshots for one, still have a ways to go on the other. I am not worried, though, it's all up here. /me taps head /me hears dull thud and slight echo. uh-oh. -jason On Jun 25, 2006, at 3:06 AM, brian d foy wrote: > On 6/24/06, Joshua McAdams wrote: >> > I just finished my overhaul of my "Get out of technical debt now!" >> > slides. >> > >> > I still have to finish my lightning talk slides. >> >> :) You're probably the only person presenting who has actually >> finished their slides. > > I finished the slides for my first talk a couple of days ago, and I > have proof attached! > > If anyone has any other comments on the Conferences for Beginners > talk, let me know and I'll fix up the slides before I kick things off > tomorrow. > > > -- > brian d foy > http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From me at heyjay.com Sun Jun 25 18:37:33 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:37:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Yapc registration Message-ID: <000001c698c1$18dbdcd0$7501a8c0@e1705> The YAPC home page says registration is available till midnight PST tonight, but when you try to register it says its been closed Jay ====================================================================== Jay Strauss First Capital Mortgage p) 312.617.0264 600 W Chicago Ave f) 773.751.2210 STE 730 jay at duetloans.com Chicago, IL 60610 From jim at jimandkoka.com Sun Jun 25 18:52:17 2006 From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:52:17 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Yapc registration In-Reply-To: <000001c698c1$18dbdcd0$7501a8c0@e1705> References: <000001c698c1$18dbdcd0$7501a8c0@e1705> Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70606251852m4ae94b20o61f5594ea286074c@mail.gmail.com> Note the date, that was posted yesterday. Dang. According to the page, walk up registration is going on tomorrow on site, with the booth mainly staffed 'til 9, but going on all day. The useful tidbit that's missing (or more well hidden than I can deal with) are what forms of payment would be accepted for a walk up registration - cash, checks, charge, etc. (anybody know and want to chime in?) But apparently, lazy folks like you and I should still be fine tomorrow with the walkup. -Jim.... On 6/25/06, Jay Strauss wrote: > The YAPC home page says registration is available till midnight PST > tonight, but when you try to register it says its been closed > > Jay > > ====================================================================== > Jay Strauss First Capital Mortgage > p) 312.617.0264 600 W Chicago Ave > f) 773.751.2210 STE 730 > jay at duetloans.com Chicago, IL 60610 > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 00:56:11 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 02:56:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Yapc registration In-Reply-To: <5cfdfaf70606251852m4ae94b20o61f5594ea286074c@mail.gmail.com> References: <000001c698c1$18dbdcd0$7501a8c0@e1705> <5cfdfaf70606251852m4ae94b20o61f5594ea286074c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70606260056r7a08be99se8a9c51995f80b0@mail.gmail.com> > The useful tidbit that's missing (or more well hidden than I can deal > with) are what forms of payment would be accepted for a walk up > registration - cash, checks, charge, etc. (anybody know and want to > chime in?) We should be able to accept all three. The wireless in the dorms has been flaky, so if that is the case in the conference center, credit might be out. From ann at domaintje.com Mon Jun 26 04:30:45 2006 From: ann at domaintje.com (Ann Barcomb) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Yapc registration In-Reply-To: <49d805d70606260056r7a08be99se8a9c51995f80b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <000001c698c1$18dbdcd0$7501a8c0@e1705> <5cfdfaf70606251852m4ae94b20o61f5594ea286074c@mail.gmail.com> <49d805d70606260056r7a08be99se8a9c51995f80b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060626052835.Y58315@cerin.biocede.com> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, Joshua McAdams wrote: >> The useful tidbit that's missing (or more well hidden than I can deal >> with) are what forms of payment would be accepted for a walk up >> registration - cash, checks, charge, etc. (anybody know and want to >> chime in?) > We should be able to accept all three. The wireless in the dorms has > been flaky, so if that is the case in the conference center, credit > might be out. It's been fine in the so-called worse dorm ;) Except for the irc issue, the worst I've had is it dropping all my connections once, but I was immediately able to re-establish them. From esinclai at pobox.com Wed Jun 28 04:46:03 2006 From: esinclai at pobox.com (Eric Sinclair) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:46:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago FT Gig available Message-ID: <919D3764-B10D-480B-BD78-FA9813F02CE7@pobox.com> This is not perl specific, but the team I work on at UBS has an opening for another 'chat application engineer' here in Chicago. We're involved in the engineering, management, upgrade and testing of our global chat infrastructure, and are looking for someone with strong application integration skills. The full job listing is available by searching in Chicago at http://www.ubs.com/1/e/career_candidates/ experienced_professionals/searchforjobs.html (this is position 5564BR), or possibly via direct link at http://tinyurl.com/odpro Feel free to ping me if you have questions or interest. -Eric -- esinclai at pobox.com aim/skype: esinclai http://www.kittyjoyce.com/eric/log/ jabber: esinclai at gmail.com From jason at hostedlabs.com Wed Jun 28 13:41:50 2006 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:41:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] BARcamp Chicago 2006, July 15-16 Message-ID: Hey Everybody! BARcamp Chicago has finally found a venue and picked a date (15-16 July)! It looks like July is going to be a great month for the Chicago tech community with BARcamp and TECHcocktail (6th July). So an early thought I threw out for a BARcamp project, that I would like to explore with you guys and gals is this: Build a web company, from concept to live-product, during the BARcamp weekend. Similar to the 24-hour dot com event done a while back by some Swedish kids at the Wizards of OS conference in Germany. Take a look at their site for background: http://24hdc.com/ My idea is to take that a step further as a showcase for these things: - the new RAD platforms (RoR, Cake/Drupal/et al., Django/Zope/et al). - the new Business Model for start-ups, Going Bedouin http://www.charterstreet.com/2006/02/going_bedouin.html - Chicago talent, creativity, and entrepreneurial spirit I think it can also be a great way for the tech community to learn about start-up details that we may not all know about being hidden safely away in our job-cubicles. So what I am proposing is that we make 3 teams, PHP, Python, and Ruby, (wheres my perl peoples?), pick an idea or a topic, and build 3 companies. A little friendly competition and exploration of ideas. Does anyone have any interest for this type of a project? Thoughts! For more details see: http://barcampchicago.com/index.php?wiki=The24hrDotCom Chat more on the topic later... -jason