From andy at petdance.com  Thu Dec  7 09:10:06 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:10:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: [MadTalk] Perl::Critic
References: <cs-_5lmq3zyJzb8L_6dUY8SMA@madmongers.org>
Message-ID: <742FBF67-5342-4CBB-992E-02C8AB40D0EA@petdance.com>

For those who didn't go to Madison last night to hear about  
Perl::Critic (which is everyone but me and Pete)

Begin forwarded message:

> From: <chris at chrisdolan.net>
> Date: December 6, 2006 10:55:50 PM CST
> To: andy at petdance.com
> Subject: [MadTalk] Perl::Critic
> Reply-To: <madtalk at madmongers.org>
>
> chrisdolan wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who attended tonight's Perl::Critic talk.  I really  
> enjoyed the lively discussion.   Below I've included a link to my  
> slides and (at Punkish's request) the tiny OSX app I use to send  
> arrow keystrokes via the Apple Remote.
>
>  Chris
>
> http://www.chrisdolan.net/madmongers/perlcritic.html
>
> http://www.chrisdolan.net/Remote2Arrows.app.zip
>
> https://svn.clotho.com/clotho/Remote2Arrows/
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> View Online
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> Unsubscribe
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>
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From andy at petdance.com  Sat Dec  9 22:44:32 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] ack mailing lists
Message-ID: <B1B9287F-8632-4B17-8694-CE9FFA51F3CC@petdance.com>

I've started mailing lists for ack.

Sign up forms are at http://petdance.com/ack/.

Tell your friends!

xoxo,
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From JJacobus at PonyX.com  Wed Dec 13 13:20:52 2006
From: JJacobus at PonyX.com (Jim Jacobus)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:20:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213145840.038374c8@SurplusRecord.com>

This is probably a Linux problem, but I'm so perplexed I thought I'd 
ask here. I have script that produces an Excel spreadsheet using the 
"Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-2.17" package from John McNamara -- which is 
excellent by the way. The symptom is a corrupt output file. I have a 
stripped down test script  that just creates  a workbook and one 
worksheet, then closes it--so it is trivial and proves that the code 
is ok. When I run it logged in as root, the file can be loaded into 
Excel, when not run as root, it's corrupt.

I've done all the checking I can think of: looking for duplicate 
modules, checking directory and file ownership and permissions, and 
can't figure out what's going on. I have access to another, shared 
Linux system. When I copied the code to the second machine, script 
creates a good file even though I'm running from a non-root account 
on that machine.
This is most likely a Linux problem, but could anyone suggest any 
debugging techniques I could use besides -W and -T? Believe it or not 
I've been looking at this code for over 14 hours.

For what it's worth, here's my script.
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
     use strict;
     use Spreadsheet::WriteExcel;
     my $workbook = Spreadsheet::WriteExcel->new("perl.xls");
     if (defined($workbook)) { print "workbook defined\n"; } else { 
print "workbook error\n"; }
     my $sheet1 = $workbook->add_worksheet("First sheet");
     if (defined($sheet1)) { print "sheet1 defined\n"; } else { print 
"sheet1 not defined\n"; }
     $workbook->close();
     exit;
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From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 14:03:17 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:03:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213145840.038374c8@SurplusRecord.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213145840.038374c8@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70612131403s728cf14emaa28c7babf455258@mail.gmail.com>

I know that the xls that is spit out is binary, but have you diffed
the good and bad files to see just how corrupt the bad file is?

On 12/13/06, Jim Jacobus <JJacobus at ponyx.com> wrote:
>
>  This is probably a Linux problem, but I'm so perplexed I thought I'd ask
> here. I have script that produces an Excel spreadsheet using the
> "Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-2.17" package from John McNamara -- which is
> excellent by the way. The symptom is a corrupt output file. I have a
> stripped down test script  that just creates  a workbook and one worksheet,
> then closes it--so it is trivial and proves that the code is ok. When I run
> it logged in as root, the file can be loaded into Excel, when not run as
> root, it's corrupt.
>
>  I've done all the checking I can think of: looking for duplicate modules,
> checking directory and file ownership and permissions, and can't figure out
> what's going on. I have access to another, shared Linux system. When I
> copied the code to the second machine, script creates a good file even
> though I'm running from a non-root account on that machine.
>  This is most likely a Linux problem, but could anyone suggest any debugging
> techniques I could use besides -W and -T? Believe it or not I've been
> looking at this code for over 14 hours.
>
>  For what it's worth, here's my script.
>  #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>      use strict;
>      use Spreadsheet::WriteExcel;
>      my $workbook = Spreadsheet::WriteExcel->new("perl.xls");
>      if (defined($workbook)) { print "workbook defined\n"; } else { print
> "workbook error\n"; }
>      my $sheet1 = $workbook->add_worksheet("First sheet");
>      if (defined($sheet1)) { print "sheet1 defined\n"; } else { print
> "sheet1 not defined\n"; }
>      $workbook->close();
>      exit;
>
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From JJacobus at PonyX.com  Wed Dec 13 15:14:39 2006
From: JJacobus at PonyX.com (Jim Jacobus)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:14:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213170555.0295ca00@SurplusRecord.com>

The "bad" file is always only about 1500 bytes in size, no matter how 
much data is sent to it. It's just junk so diff doesn't give any 
help. I checked for errors every step of the way, but everything 
looks ok. I reduced it to just creating a worksheet and workbook for 
simplicity.


 >I know that the xls that is spit out is binary, but have you diffed
 >the good and bad files to see just how corrupt the bad file is?




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From fire at dls.net  Wed Dec 13 15:27:08 2006
From: fire at dls.net (Bradley Slavik)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:27:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213170555.0295ca00@SurplusRecord.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213170555.0295ca00@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <20061213232708.48B299684C6@demolition.dls.net>

Is is a permissions problem with the directory/file? Or the library was installed as root and the user cannot access it? Try getting return values from calls to Perl library. That might tell you something important. Ignoring return values can really cause you unnecessary anxiety.

Bradley

> The "bad" file is always only about 1500 bytes in size, no matter how 
> much data is sent to it. It's just junk so diff doesn't give any 
> help. I checked for errors every step of the way, but everything 
> looks ok. I reduced it to just creating a worksheet and workbook for 
> simplicity.
> 
> 
>  >I know that the xls that is spit out is binary, but have you diffed
>  >the good and bad files to see just how corrupt the bad file is?


From JJacobus at PonyX.com  Wed Dec 13 15:48:54 2006
From: JJacobus at PonyX.com (Jim Jacobus)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:48:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213174206.037a21c0@SurplusRecord.com>

I really install the files as subdirectories off of cgi-bin, since on 
other systems I don't have access to the site/lib. For me this works 
best since I have to do things across multiple systems.

Files look like this. I turned on the x bit during my debugging.
./Parse:
total 88
drwxr-xr-x  2 matrix01 apache  4096 May  3  2006 .
drwxr-xr-x  9 matrix01 apache  4096 Dec 13 13:58 ..
-rw-r--r--  1 matrix01 apache 77401 Apr  9  2003 RecDescent.pm

./Spreadsheet:
total 188
drwxr-xr-x  3 matrix01 apache   4096 Dec 13 14:46 .
drwxr-xr-x  9 matrix01 apache   4096 Dec 13 13:58 ..
drwxr-xr-x  2 matrix01 apache   4096 Dec 12 13:23 WriteExcel
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache 173941 Dec 12 19:10 WriteExcel.pm

./Spreadsheet/WriteExcel:
total 352
drwxr-xr-x  2 matrix01 apache   4096 Dec 12 13:23 .
drwxr-xr-x  3 matrix01 apache   4096 Dec 13 14:46 ..
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache   6234 Dec 12 19:09 BIFFwriter.pm
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache   1722 Dec 12 19:09 Big.pm
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache   6816 Dec 12 19:09 Chart.pm
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache  22052 Dec 12 19:09 Format.pm
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache  51637 Dec 12 19:09 Formula.pm
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache  11221 Dec 12 19:09 OLEwriter.pm
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache  27683 Dec 12 19:09 Utility.pm
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache   2417 Dec 12 19:09 WorkbookBig.pm
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache  61893 Dec 12 19:09 Workbook.pm
-rwxr-xr-x  1 matrix01 apache 127156 Dec 12 19:09 Worksheet.pm

 >Is is a permissions problem with the directory/file? Or the library 
was installed as root and the user >cannot access it? Try getting 
return values from calls to Perl library. That might tell you 
something >important. Ignoring return values can really cause you 
unnecessary anxiety.
 >
 >Bradley


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From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 13 15:55:32 2006
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:55:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
Message-ID: <20061213235532.11072.qmail@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

should you check the disk space usage and/or the user space quota?


----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Jacobus <JJacobus at PonyX.com>
To: chicago-talk at pm.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:14:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root

The "bad" file is always only about 1500 bytes in size, no matter how much data is sent to it. It's just junk so diff doesn't give any help. I checked for errors every step of the way, but everything looks ok. I reduced it to just creating a worksheet and workbook for simplicity. 



>I know that the xls that is spit out is binary, but have you
diffed
>the good and bad files to see just how corrupt the bad file is?






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From warren.lindsey at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 19:49:13 2006
From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:49:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213145840.038374c8@SurplusRecord.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213145840.038374c8@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <841e880a0612131949n4953b97dwe519e11893c8b5ae@mail.gmail.com>

Check from the shell:
echo $PERL5LIB

and add this to the head of your script:
print join(':', @INC), "\n";

On 12/13/06, Jim Jacobus <JJacobus at ponyx.com> wrote:
>
>  This is probably a Linux problem, but I'm so perplexed I thought I'd ask
> here. I have script that produces an Excel spreadsheet using the
> "Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-2.17" package from John McNamara -- which is
> excellent by the way. The symptom is a corrupt output file. I have a
> stripped down test script  that just creates  a workbook and one worksheet,
> then closes it--so it is trivial and proves that the code is ok. When I run
> it logged in as root, the file can be loaded into Excel, when not run as
> root, it's corrupt.
>
>  I've done all the checking I can think of: looking for duplicate modules,
> checking directory and file ownership and permissions, and can't figure out
> what's going on. I have access to another, shared Linux system. When I
> copied the code to the second machine, script creates a good file even
> though I'm running from a non-root account on that machine.
>  This is most likely a Linux problem, but could anyone suggest any debugging
> techniques I could use besides -W and -T? Believe it or not I've been
> looking at this code for over 14 hours.
>
>  For what it's worth, here's my script.
>  #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>      use strict;
>      use Spreadsheet::WriteExcel;
>      my $workbook = Spreadsheet::WriteExcel->new("perl.xls");
>      if (defined($workbook)) { print "workbook defined\n"; } else { print
> "workbook error\n"; }
>      my $sheet1 = $workbook->add_worksheet("First sheet");
>      if (defined($sheet1)) { print "sheet1 defined\n"; } else { print
> "sheet1 not defined\n"; }
>      $workbook->close();
>      exit;
>
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From eli at mortgagefolder.com  Wed Dec 13 20:06:32 2006
From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:06:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] :SPAM: Re: Script creates bad file when not run as
	root
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213170555.0295ca00@SurplusRecord.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213170555.0295ca00@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <4580CDC8.80301@mortgagefolder.com>

Jim Jacobus wrote:
> The "bad" file is always only about 1500 bytes in size, no matter how 
> much data is sent to it. It's just junk so diff doesn't give any help. 
> I checked for errors every step of the way, but everything looks ok. I 
> reduced it to just creating a worksheet and workbook for simplicity.
>
>
> >I know that the xls that is spit out is binary, but have you diffed
> >the good and bad files to see just how corrupt the bad file is?
Is the xls that comes out truly a binary file? Try running `file 
test.xls` and see what kind of file it reports as. If it's binary, then 
try `strings test.xls` to see if any embedded text can lead you in the 
right direction. If it's text, vim the file and see what it is.



From eli at mortgagefolder.com  Wed Dec 13 21:25:41 2006
From: eli at mortgagefolder.com (Elias Lutfallah)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:25:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213145840.038374c8@SurplusRecord.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213145840.038374c8@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <4605.24.13.89.226.1166073941.squirrel@mail2.mortgagefolder.com>

Have you checked the $! variable for an error?

>From the doc:

"As usual the Perl variable $! will be set if there is a file creation
error."

> This is probably a Linux problem, but I'm so perplexed I thought I'd
> ask here. I have script that produces an Excel spreadsheet using the
> "Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-2.17" package from John McNamara -- which is

[snip]

-- 
Elias Lutfallah
Chief Technology Officer
Mortgage Desk, Inc.


From lembark at wrkhors.com  Wed Dec 13 21:32:29 2006
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:32:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213170555.0295ca00@SurplusRecord.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213170555.0295ca00@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <587C09C67358186976875838@[192.168.1.2]>


Try a "df" on the filesystem. Normally a fraction of the disk
is reserved for the superuser when it is formatted (10% common).
If you are not EUID 0 then you cannot write to that space. If
your file is normally 1.5K then that may be the "free" space
on your system.

-- 
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Workhorse Computing                                Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                     1 888 359 3508

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 22:34:22 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] :SPAM: Re: Script creates bad file when not run
	as root
In-Reply-To: <4580CDC8.80301@mortgagefolder.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213170555.0295ca00@SurplusRecord.com>
	<4580CDC8.80301@mortgagefolder.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70612132234l72a32eaesdabdf09cd0343f3a@mail.gmail.com>

> Is the xls that comes out truly a binary file? Try running `file
> test.xls` and see what kind of file it reports as. If it's binary, then
> try `strings test.xls` to see if any embedded text can lead you in the
> right direction. If it's text, vim the file and see what it is.

Yeah, that module spits out the actual excel binary format if I
remember correctly.  I do remember that the edge cases would screw me
from time to time with this module.  For instance, if I needed to
create an empty spreadsheet and my code skipped the creation of a
worksheet within the workbook, then the file wouldn't open.  Also, if
the data was to big I would have to use Spreadsheet::WriteExcel::Big.
Your example seems to get around both of these, so I'm stumped :(

From frag at ripco.com  Thu Dec 14 07:41:30 2006
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:41:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213145840.038374c8@SurplusRecord.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213145840.038374c8@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0612140935140.824@shell3>


How do you know that a spreadsheet is corrupt - just by whether it loads 
in Excel?
How do you get the files from the Linux system to the Windows system?
Are you following exactly the same steps for the files from your root
account as from the non-root account?

Also, try adding the following to the start of your script, in both 
root/non-root forms:

   use Data::Dumper;
   print Dumper(\%INC);

to be sure that both scripts are loading the exact same modules.

-- Mike F.


From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Thu Dec 14 08:35:47 2006
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:35:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061213170555.0295ca00@SurplusRecord.com>
Message-ID: <OF7B208E1C.17A90B25-ON86257244.005B1E5F-86257244.005B23A3@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

Have you tried 
od -c 

on the junk? 


a

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Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

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From andy at petdance.com  Thu Dec 14 08:37:55 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:37:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
In-Reply-To: <OF7B208E1C.17A90B25-ON86257244.005B1E5F-86257244.005B23A3@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <OF7B208E1C.17A90B25-ON86257244.005B1E5F-86257244.005B23A3@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <72FC6C56-7715-4DBE-8053-C5B358929180@petdance.com>


On Dec 14, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov wrote:

> Have you tried
> od -c
>
> on the junk?

xxd is also nice.  It comes with vim.

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From andy at petdance.com  Thu Dec 14 08:38:41 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:38:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
Message-ID: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>

We have space for regular Perl Mongers meetings starting in January.

Details coming soon.


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From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 14 09:23:27 2006
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:23:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
Message-ID: <20061214172328.69847.qmail@web58715.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

My weird expereice:

I worte a perl script which created exaclty same excel reports from two Red-hat (with same version of perl and same version of excel module). MS Excel could open the reports from both hosts, but Lotus email client tool would be crashed for viewing the reports from one host.


----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Fragassi <frag at ripco.com>
To: Chicago.pm chatter <chicago-talk at pm.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:41:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root


How do you know that a spreadsheet is corrupt - just by whether it loads 
in Excel?
How do you get the files from the Linux system to the Windows system?
Are you following exactly the same steps for the files from your root
account as from the non-root account?

Also, try adding the following to the start of your script, in both 
root/non-root forms:

   use Data::Dumper;
   print Dumper(\%INC);

to be sure that both scripts are loading the exact same modules.

-- Mike F.

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From JJacobus at PonyX.com  Thu Dec 14 13:27:51 2006
From: JJacobus at PonyX.com (Jim Jacobus)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:27:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Script creates bad file when not run as root
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20061214150504.03254fd0@PonyX.com>

Thanks to all for you for your comments and suggestions. You helped 
us resolve the problem. Ended up our system had been hacked. The bad 
binary files my Perl script was creating were a symptom. When the 
Perl's i/o subsystem creates a binary file, it buffers it in the 
Linux /tmp directory. /tmp is a really a virtual disk used as a 
scratch area. Because of the hack /tmp was 100% full. When perl's i/o 
subsystem creates a text file, it just opens it in the desired 
location as you'd expect. The perplexing part is that when you run as 
Root, the Perl I/o does not buffer in /tmp. I think it uses the local 
directory. This is the reason script ran as root, but not as a user. 
It was failing because /tmp was filled.
Our hacker had only managed to damage us and not compromise the 
operating system. By the way, if you are looking for an excellent 
company for managed hosting, take a look at Rackspace.com . Their 
"fanatical" support is the real deal.


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From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Thu Dec 14 15:15:04 2006
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:15:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character
Message-ID: <OF8D886376.85C11532-ON86257244.007F0475-86257244.007FB18D@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

I've got data w/ a  x91 and x92 chars in it (which must be Excel curling 
quotes) and trying to parse it I get a lot of:
Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0x91, with no 
preceding start byte) in pattern match (m//) at 
/opt/util/check_doc_table.pl line 155, <> line 1.

shown here:
;SetSardField(<91>bk_cur_mo_income<92>,<92>meantest<92>);

I can't find a  way to get rid of the error or the hex codes, I've tried:
  #while ( s/(.{1,5})([[:^ascii:]])(.{0,5})/${1}XX${2}/g ) {
  if (
      s/(\x91|\x92)/X/g
  or
      s/([[:^ascii:]])/X/g
      ) {
  #while ( /([[:^ascii:]])/g ) {
     #s/$1/X/;
     #s/([[:^ascii:]])/X/;
     warn( "Has non-ascii chars " . ord($1) . " replaced with 'XX'" )
       if $debug > 3;
     push(@errors, "Has non-ascii chars " . ord($1) . " replaced with 
'XX'" );
  }


various combos of the same - the non-ascii seems to work best but 1) it 
complains about the s/// while doing that and 2) actually seems 
non-deterministic - sometimes it replaces 0-4 of the hex chars, 

 Has non-ascii chars 146 replaced with 'XX'
  Un-set Var entry XmeantestX
  DPF SetSardField: Xbk_cur_mo_incomeX,XmeantestX

Entry: misc, metest7
  Un-set Var entry ?meantest?
  DPF SetSardField: ?bk_cur_mo_income?,?meantest?

  Has non-ascii chars 145 replaced with 'XX'
  Un-set Var entry ?meantest?
  DPF SetSardField: Xbk_cur_mo_income?,?meantest?

that's 3 separate runs, using the up arrow to repeat the command.  Yoikes.

a


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From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 15:47:29 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:47:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character
In-Reply-To: <OF8D886376.85C11532-ON86257244.007F0475-86257244.007FB18D@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <OF8D886376.85C11532-ON86257244.007F0475-86257244.007FB18D@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <49d805d70612141547ye2a3225rd27167ca5ebba327@mail.gmail.com>

> I've got data w/ a  x91 and x92 chars in it (which must be Excel curling
> quotes) and trying to parse it I get a lot of:
> Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0x91, with no
> preceding start byte) in pattern match (m//) at
> /opt/util/check_doc_table.pl line 155, <> line 1.

Looks like you might be coming up against windows-1252 and perl is
thinking its Unicode.  Try seeing if the utf8 flag is set using the
Encode module.  If it is, you might consider turning off the utf8 flag
and [d]encoding to the proper format for your work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252
http://search.cpan.org/~dankogai/Encode-2.18/Encode.pm

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 06:12:38 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:12:38 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> We have space for regular Perl Mongers meetings starting in January.

I suppose this is really just the Uniforum meetings...

I don't really mind irregular space as long as there is something
actually in Chicago :)

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From andy at petdance.com  Fri Dec 15 06:24:58 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:24:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>

> I don't really mind irregular space as long as there is something
> actually in Chicago :)

Nothing preventing that from happening.  We easily have enough people  
to support two meetings.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 07:18:47 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:18:47 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> > I don't really mind irregular space as long as there is something
> > actually in Chicago :)
>
> Nothing preventing that from happening.  We easily have enough people
> to support two meetings.

So, maybe you can become the Burbs.pm and Chciago.pm can come back to Chicago :)


-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 07:35:06 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:35:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>

Or Sticks.pm


On 12/15/06, brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/15/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> > > I don't really mind irregular space as long as there is something
> > > actually in Chicago :)
> >
> > Nothing preventing that from happening.  We easily have enough people
> > to support two meetings.
>
> So, maybe you can become the Burbs.pm and Chciago.pm can come back to Chicago :)
>
>
> --
> brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
> http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
> _______________________________________________
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>


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From andy at petdance.com  Fri Dec 15 07:37:08 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:37:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>


On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Nola Stowe wrote:

> Or Sticks.pm

It's stuff like this that makes me not want to bother.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 07:43:27 2006
From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:43:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>

With what?  We have two rather distinct groups.  Yeah the Sticks.pm
comment was a little beyond the pale, but there is a point to be had
where those of us that work or live in the City don't want to tramp
off to some outer burb for a tech meeting.  Hell, I live almost as far
south as you do north but I'd rather attend meetings in the city than
goto Wheaton....

On 12/15/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Nola Stowe wrote:
>
> > Or Sticks.pm
>
> It's stuff like this that makes me not want to bother.
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


-- 
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Perl Programmer
Soccer Referee

From andy at petdance.com  Fri Dec 15 07:46:05 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:46:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E5193C-B21A-481A-A6DB-A66ABBB9DD7B@petdance.com>


On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Shawn Carroll wrote:

> With what?  We have two rather distinct groups.  Yeah the Sticks.pm
> comment was a little beyond the pale, but there is a point to be had
> where those of us that work or live in the City don't want to tramp
> off to some outer burb for a tech meeting.  Hell, I live almost as far
> south as you do north but I'd rather attend meetings in the city than
> goto Wheaton....

That's fine, go ahead and make something happen in the city.  Nobody  
is stopping you.

I can't just conjure up meeting space in the city.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From jt at plainblack.com  Fri Dec 15 07:48:01 2006
From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:48:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>

I think the point that you guys might all be missing is at least Andy  
is doing SOMETHING. Though I moved away many months ago, I keep up  
with the list, and you all have had plenty of opportunity to get  
something going downtown. And to this point is has been hit or miss  
at best. Andy has arranged for a permanent monthly meeting location.  
Give him some props.


On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Shawn Carroll wrote:

> With what?  We have two rather distinct groups.  Yeah the Sticks.pm
> comment was a little beyond the pale, but there is a point to be had
> where those of us that work or live in the City don't want to tramp
> off to some outer burb for a tech meeting.  Hell, I live almost as far
> south as you do north but I'd rather attend meetings in the city than
> goto Wheaton....
>
> On 12/15/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Nola Stowe wrote:
>>
>>> Or Sticks.pm
>>
>> It's stuff like this that makes me not want to bother.
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>
>
> -- 
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> Perl Programmer
> Soccer Referee
> _______________________________________________
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From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 07:49:44 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:49:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <55E5193C-B21A-481A-A6DB-A66ABBB9DD7B@petdance.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<55E5193C-B21A-481A-A6DB-A66ABBB9DD7B@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380612150749l2b964f91v7fd66ce3556585f3@mail.gmail.com>

To all thin skinned people --- skicks.pm was a joke. Sheesh.

On 12/15/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Shawn Carroll wrote:
>
> > With what?  We have two rather distinct groups.  Yeah the Sticks.pm
> > comment was a little beyond the pale, but there is a point to be had
> > where those of us that work or live in the City don't want to tramp
> > off to some outer burb for a tech meeting.  Hell, I live almost as far
> > south as you do north but I'd rather attend meetings in the city than
> > goto Wheaton....
>
> That's fine, go ahead and make something happen in the city.  Nobody
> is stopping you.
>
> I can't just conjure up meeting space in the city.
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


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From perl at cromedome.net  Fri Dec 15 08:03:55 2006
From: perl at cromedome.net (Jason A. Crome)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:03:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
Message-ID: <714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>

Thanks for pointing that out, JT.  Seems people are quick to forget  
that.

Why can't you all be happy with having the ability to meet somewhere  
rather than bicker about where you aren't meeting?  I'm in fucking  
DeKalb....  ANYWHERE we meet is at least an hour drive for me.  I'm  
grateful we'll be going back to having regular meetings.  I'm  
surprised that more of you aren't.

On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:48 AM, JT Smith wrote:

> I think the point that you guys might all be missing is at least  
> Andy is doing SOMETHING. Though I moved away many months ago, I  
> keep up with the list, and you all have had plenty of opportunity  
> to get something going downtown. And to this point is has been hit  
> or miss at best. Andy has arranged for a permanent monthly meeting  
> location. Give him some props.
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Shawn Carroll wrote:
>
>> With what?  We have two rather distinct groups.  Yeah the Sticks.pm
>> comment was a little beyond the pale, but there is a point to be had
>> where those of us that work or live in the City don't want to tramp
>> off to some outer burb for a tech meeting.  Hell, I live almost as  
>> far
>> south as you do north but I'd rather attend meetings in the city than
>> goto Wheaton....
>>
>> On 12/15/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Nola Stowe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or Sticks.pm
>>>
>>> It's stuff like this that makes me not want to bother.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com
>> Perl Programmer
>> Soccer Referee
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
> JT ~ Plain Black
> ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
> fax: 312-264-5382
> http://www.plainblack.com
>
> I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage
>
>
>
>
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From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 09:16:54 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:16:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
Message-ID: <43e95380612150916m6ac48f26o99f65c9a5a3d3a0a@mail.gmail.com>

Well with at 3 locations offering to host downtown or near, really it
comes down to someone willing to plan something downtown. I can vouch
for one location, any meeting planners want to step up?

On 12/15/06, Jason A. Crome <perl at cromedome.net> wrote:
> Thanks for pointing that out, JT.  Seems people are quick to forget
> that.
>
> Why can't you all be happy with having the ability to meet somewhere
> rather than bicker about where you aren't meeting?  I'm in fucking
> DeKalb....  ANYWHERE we meet is at least an hour drive for me.  I'm
> grateful we'll be going back to having regular meetings.  I'm
> surprised that more of you aren't.
>
> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:48 AM, JT Smith wrote:
>
> > I think the point that you guys might all be missing is at least
> > Andy is doing SOMETHING. Though I moved away many months ago, I
> > keep up with the list, and you all have had plenty of opportunity
> > to get something going downtown. And to this point is has been hit
> > or miss at best. Andy has arranged for a permanent monthly meeting
> > location. Give him some props.
> >
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Shawn Carroll wrote:
> >
> >> With what?  We have two rather distinct groups.  Yeah the Sticks.pm
> >> comment was a little beyond the pale, but there is a point to be had
> >> where those of us that work or live in the City don't want to tramp
> >> off to some outer burb for a tech meeting.  Hell, I live almost as
> >> far
> >> south as you do north but I'd rather attend meetings in the city than
> >> goto Wheaton....
> >>
> >> On 12/15/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Nola Stowe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Or Sticks.pm
> >>>
> >>> It's stuff like this that makes me not want to bother.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago-talk mailing list
> >>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com
> >> Perl Programmer
> >> Soccer Referee
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago-talk mailing list
> >> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >
> > JT ~ Plain Black
> > ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
> > fax: 312-264-5382
> > http://www.plainblack.com
> >
> > I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


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From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Fri Dec 15 09:43:29 2006
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:43:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70612141547ye2a3225rd27167ca5ebba327@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFA9943005.E373F836-ON86257245.005B7EFD-86257245.006156BC@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

> > I've got data w/ a  x91 and x92 chars in it (which must be Excel 
curling
> quotes) and trying to parse it I get a lot of:
> Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0x91, with no
> preceding start byte) in pattern match (m//) at
> /opt/util/check_doc_table.pl line 155, <> line 1.

> Looks like you might be coming up against windows-1252 and perl is
thinking its Unicode.  Try seeing if the utf8 flag is set using the
Encode module.  If it is, you might consider turning off the utf8 flag
and [d]encoding to the proper format for your work.

Its a cgi app (on linux) and the data is unknowingly winx/dos text, linux 
text or even cutnpaste from html display.  The issue here is similar to 
what I'm running into - we have an excel spreadsheet w/ an 'export' macro 
that is supposed to produce a ".txt" file that folks can then upload to 
their linux box/db. The spreadsheet is supposed to help non-linux folks 
have an easy way of editing - they edit, export and upload rather than 
work on the linux box. What happens is these chars get left in, unnoticed, 
and the uploaded info fails in unexpected ways. 

I wasn't doing any decoding, but:
 my $utf_line = eval " decode(\'ISO-8859-1\', \$line, Encode::FB_WARN ) ";
  #my $utf_line = decode('ISO-8859-1', $line , Encode::FB_WARN);

in various guises doesn't seem to help.  W/o the eval
Wide character in subroutine entry at 
/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi/Encode.pm line 154, <> line 
160.

(I do have an older 'Encode' but can't upgrade). W/ the eval, and, if I'm 
reading the docs right, w/ decode - I still can't get rid of the issue. 

a

Andy Bach
Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

Seville Dar Daigo
Tousin Busses Inaro
Nojo Demistrux
Summit Cows In
Summit Dux 

From don at drakeconsult.com  Fri Dec 15 09:55:13 2006
From: don at drakeconsult.com (Don Drake)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:55:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character
In-Reply-To: <OFA9943005.E373F836-ON86257245.005B7EFD-86257245.006156BC@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <006d01c72072$2bec5e60$6663a8c0@zzz>

I used to get a similar error when loading spam into a db for MailLaunder.

I now use something similar to `iconv -c -t UTF-8 < inputfile` to clean out
any UTF-8 badness.  The -c option does that for you.

Hope that helps.

-Don

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-talk-bounces+don=drakeconsult.com at pm.org
[mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+don=drakeconsult.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of
Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:43 AM
To: Chicago.pm chatter
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character

> > I've got data w/ a  x91 and x92 chars in it (which must be Excel 
curling
> quotes) and trying to parse it I get a lot of:
> Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0x91, with no
> preceding start byte) in pattern match (m//) at
> /opt/util/check_doc_table.pl line 155, <> line 1.

> Looks like you might be coming up against windows-1252 and perl is
thinking its Unicode.  Try seeing if the utf8 flag is set using the
Encode module.  If it is, you might consider turning off the utf8 flag
and [d]encoding to the proper format for your work.

Its a cgi app (on linux) and the data is unknowingly winx/dos text, linux 
text or even cutnpaste from html display.  The issue here is similar to 
what I'm running into - we have an excel spreadsheet w/ an 'export' macro 
that is supposed to produce a ".txt" file that folks can then upload to 
their linux box/db. The spreadsheet is supposed to help non-linux folks 
have an easy way of editing - they edit, export and upload rather than 
work on the linux box. What happens is these chars get left in, unnoticed, 
and the uploaded info fails in unexpected ways. 

I wasn't doing any decoding, but:
 my $utf_line = eval " decode(\'ISO-8859-1\', \$line, Encode::FB_WARN ) ";
  #my $utf_line = decode('ISO-8859-1', $line , Encode::FB_WARN);

in various guises doesn't seem to help.  W/o the eval
Wide character in subroutine entry at 
/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi/Encode.pm line 154, <> line 
160.

(I do have an older 'Encode' but can't upgrade). W/ the eval, and, if I'm 
reading the docs right, w/ decode - I still can't get rid of the issue. 

a

Andy Bach
Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

Seville Dar Daigo
Tousin Busses Inaro
Nojo Demistrux
Summit Cows In
Summit Dux 
_______________________________________________
Chicago-talk mailing list
Chicago-talk at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk



From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 11:05:03 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:05:03 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character
In-Reply-To: <OFA9943005.E373F836-ON86257245.005B7EFD-86257245.006156BC@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <49d805d70612141547ye2a3225rd27167ca5ebba327@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFA9943005.E373F836-ON86257245.005B7EFD-86257245.006156BC@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <49d805d70612151105u6d1bf39i3d3eece5d7032479@mail.gmail.com>

> (I do have an older 'Encode' but can't upgrade). W/ the eval, and, if I'm
> reading the docs right, w/ decode - I still can't get rid of the issue.

Is there any way that you could send a file with a sample bad record?

From shild at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 15 19:55:14 2006
From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:55:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <43e95380612150916m6ac48f26o99f65c9a5a3d3a0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
	<43e95380612150916m6ac48f26o99f65c9a5a3d3a0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1166241314.60288.43.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>

On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 11:16 -0600, Nola Stowe wrote:
> Well with at 3 locations offering to host downtown or near, really it
> comes down to someone willing to plan something downtown. I can vouch
> for one location, any meeting planners want to step up?
> 
> On 12/15/06, Jason A. Crome <perl at cromedome.net> wrote:
> > Thanks for pointing that out, JT.  Seems people are quick to forget
> > that.
> >
> > Why can't you all be happy with having the ability to meet somewhere
> > rather than bicker about where you aren't meeting?  I'm in fucking
> > DeKalb....  ANYWHERE we meet is at least an hour drive for me. 


   Yeah, well I live in the North end of Wheaton, so I want to stay
   at ITT!!!  No hour drive for me buddy boy!! 

   :-)


   Seriously, I appreciate that there are meetings anywhere (thanks
   Andy).  I can only make about 3 or 4 a year so it doesn't matter
   if they are an hour or 10 mins away....okay, I do prefer the 10 min
   drive.

   


   
>  I'm
> > grateful we'll be going back to having regular meetings.  I'm
> > surprised that more of you aren't.
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:48 AM, JT Smith wrote:
> >
> > > I think the point that you guys might all be missing is at least
> > > Andy is doing SOMETHING. Though I moved away many months ago, I
> > > keep up with the list, and you all have had plenty of opportunity
> > > to get something going downtown. And to this point is has been hit
> > > or miss at best. Andy has arranged for a permanent monthly meeting
> > > location. Give him some props.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Shawn Carroll wrote:
> > >
> > >> With what?  We have two rather distinct groups.  Yeah the Sticks.pm
> > >> comment was a little beyond the pale, but there is a point to be had
> > >> where those of us that work or live in the City don't want to tramp
> > >> off to some outer burb for a tech meeting.  Hell, I live almost as
> > >> far
> > >> south as you do north but I'd rather attend meetings in the city than
> > >> goto Wheaton....
> > >>
> > >> On 12/15/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Nola Stowe wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Or Sticks.pm
> > >>>
> > >>> It's stuff like this that makes me not want to bother.
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Chicago-talk mailing list
> > >>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com
> > >> Perl Programmer
> > >> Soccer Referee
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Chicago-talk mailing list
> > >> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> > >
> > > JT ~ Plain Black
> > > ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
> > > fax: 312-264-5382
> > > http://www.plainblack.com
> > >
> > > I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >
> 
> 
-- 
Scott T. Hildreth <shild at sbcglobal.net>

From shild at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 16 10:10:07 2006
From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:10:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1166292607.60288.49.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>

On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 06:12 -0800, brian d foy wrote:
> On 12/14/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> > We have space for regular Perl Mongers meetings starting in January.
> 
> I suppose this is really just the Uniforum meetings...

  ...we should also thank Deb for setting those up as well as everyone
     who was willing to present at them.  

     So thank you everyone...Tis the season to be grateful :-)

> 
> I don't really mind irregular space as long as there is something
> actually in Chicago :)
> 
-- 
Scott T. Hildreth <shild at sbcglobal.net>

From richard at rushlogistics.com  Sat Dec 16 10:35:03 2006
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:35:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Permission?
Message-ID: <484978.99347.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hope everyone is having a great weekend. 
  When I execute:
 
 
 $: perl -ni.bak -e 'print unless 1..1' my_log.txt'
 
 I get:
 
 can't rename my_log.txt to my_log.txt.bak: Permission denied, skipping file.
 
 However, the permissions for my_log.txt and my_log.txt.bak are:
 
 -rwxrwxrwx root root
 
 As you might expect, if run the command as root it works.  Is there a way to modify it so it works without changing the file ownership?
 
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Richard
 

Your beliefs become your thoughts.  Your thoughts become your words.  Your words become your actions.  Your actions become your habits.  Your habits become your values.  Your values become your destiny.  -- Mahatma Gandhi
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From arodland at comcast.net  Sat Dec 16 10:44:46 2006
From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:44:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Permission?
In-Reply-To: <484978.99347.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <484978.99347.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200612161244.47270.arodland@comcast.net>

On Saturday 16 December 2006 12:35 pm, Richard Reina wrote:
> Hope everyone is having a great weekend.
>   When I execute:
>
>
>  $: perl -ni.bak -e 'print unless 1..1' my_log.txt'
>
>  I get:
>
>  can't rename my_log.txt to my_log.txt.bak: Permission denied, skipping
> file.
>
>  However, the permissions for my_log.txt and my_log.txt.bak are:
>
>  -rwxrwxrwx root root
>

The permission on the file doesn't matter, you need write permission on the 
directory that it's in.

Andrew

From richard at rushlogistics.com  Sat Dec 16 10:58:47 2006
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:58:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Permission?
In-Reply-To: <200612161244.47270.arodland@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <183454.22680.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Andrew,
 
 Thank you very much for the reply.  I was hoping not to have to change the permissions on the directory, but I guess I will have to.  Thanks for the insight.
 
 Richard

Andrew Rodland <arodland at comcast.net> wrote: On Saturday 16 December 2006 12:35 pm, Richard Reina wrote:
> Hope everyone is having a great weekend.
>   When I execute:
>
>
>  $: perl -ni.bak -e 'print unless 1..1' my_log.txt'
>
>  I get:
>
>  can't rename my_log.txt to my_log.txt.bak: Permission denied, skipping
> file.
>
>  However, the permissions for my_log.txt and my_log.txt.bak are:
>
>  -rwxrwxrwx root root
>

The permission on the file doesn't matter, you need write permission on the 
directory that it's in.

Andrew
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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 12:45:39 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:45:39 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0612161245s57f17d63i5bc430c5e814da79@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/06, JT Smith <jt at plainblack.com> wrote:
> I think the point that you guys might all be missing is at least Andy is
> doing SOMETHING. Though I moved away many months ago, I keep up with the
> list, and you all have had plenty of opportunity to get something going
> downtown. And to this point is has been hit or miss at best. Andy has
> arranged for a permanent monthly meeting location. Give him some props.

Well, to be honest, it fell into Andy's lap, and it's the same thing
that we've had for years at Uniforum. It's just changing from Debi to
Andy. It's great that he's taking over, but it isn't something new,
and it isn't something for "props". I'm not sure why he didn't just
say that instead of being coy.

Nola has also been hosting a mostly regular lunch thing downtown, so
the "doing SOMETHING" comment is out of line. Josh has hosted some
stuff at Performics, so he is doing something too. There are a lot of
people doing stuff. Doing something new in Chicago isn't a put-down to
anything anyone else is doing, but that's what controls the discussion
whenever we talk about it.

There are two different groups of people, and we're forcing them to
operate under the same name, use the same mailing lists, the same
website, and so on. These two groups don't have to have exclusive
membership, but I think it's easier to let them operate separately.
That doesn't detract from what's happening now. Indeed, Manhattan has
two groups operating in the same borough, and they are both doing
pretty good.

I'd like to see the name "Chicago.pm" come back to Chicago, and the
thriving extra-Chicago group in a name the describes them. If that's
going to hurt people's feelings though, I'll choose some other name to
describe the group in Chicago, noting that Chicago.pm doesn't meet in
Chicago anymore.


-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From arodland at comcast.net  Sat Dec 16 12:57:37 2006
From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:57:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Permission?
In-Reply-To: <183454.22680.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <183454.22680.qm@web614.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200612161457.38036.arodland@comcast.net>

On Saturday 16 December 2006 12:58 pm, Richard Reina wrote:
> Andrew,
>
>  Thank you very much for the reply.  I was hoping not to have to change the
> permissions on the directory, but I guess I will have to.  Thanks for the
> insight.
>
>  Richard

Well, it's not _impossible_ to do it without write permission on the dir, it 
just takes a bit more work than the way you had. One possibility is (in 
perl):

open my $fh, '<', 'my_log.txt';
<$fh>;
my @lines = <$fh>;
open $fh, '>', 'my_log.txt';
print $fh @lines;

But since this doesn't use a rename() it does involve a small possibility that 
if the program crashes at just the wrong moment, the file contents will be 
lost entirely. You could work around that with something more like (in sh):

set -e
TEMP = `mktemp`
(read junk; cat) < my_log.txt > $TEMP
cat $TEMP > my_log.txt
rm $TEMP

which has a few complications of its own, but which, if it happens to crash, 
should always leave a good copy of the data in the logfile, or in /tmp. It's 
not stunningly robust, but what do you expect for a couple minutes' 
effort? ;)

HTH
Andrew

From andy at petdance.com  Sat Dec 16 17:52:57 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:52:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0612161245s57f17d63i5bc430c5e814da79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<2715accf0612161245s57f17d63i5bc430c5e814da79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C0A92BD-F9D3-4A81-964B-0C8B431CD519@petdance.com>

> and it isn't something for "props".

It's not?  Organizing a monthly meeting isn't propsworthy?  I'm  
surprised to hear that from you brian.



> Doing something new in Chicago isn't a put-down to
> anything anyone else is doing, but that's what controls the discussion
> whenever we talk about it.

Nobody has anything against doing things in Chicago.  I'm just tired  
of hearing people complain that what is getting done isn't to their  
liking.


> There are two different groups of people, and we're forcing them to
> operate under the same name, use the same mailing lists, the same
> website, and so on. These two groups don't have to have exclusive
> membership, but I think it's easier to let them operate separately.

I don't understand this, but I'd like to hear more.  I just don't see  
how it hurts to call both things-that-happen-in-the-Loop and things- 
that-happen-in-the-burbs is harmful to either one.  I think it helps  
BOTH sides.


> I'd like to see the name "Chicago.pm" come back to Chicago, and the
> thriving extra-Chicago group in a name the describes them. If that's
> going to hurt people's feelings though,

I just don't see how that would help anything at all.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From andy at petdance.com  Sat Dec 16 18:15:22 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:15:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular Chicago.pm meetings: 2nd Tuesday of each
	month
Message-ID: <2F98FB87-F114-43B4-A24C-EE407F6D423B@petdance.com>

The Chicago Perl Mongers is pleased to announce the return of regular  
meetings. In association with Uniforum Chicago, we'll be having  
technical meetings with presentations every 2nd Tuesday of the month,  
starting January 10th, 2007.

Meetings will be held at the Illinois Institute of Technology, Rice  
Campus, Room 103.  This is where the Chicago Uniforum PerlSIG has met  
in the past, but basically, they're providing the space, and we're  
providing the content.

Our first topic at our new space is "New Modules For New Year". Pete  
Krawczyk, Andy Lester and Josh McAdams will present a dozen cool  
modules that you may not have known about. Some will be useful, some  
will be entertaining, and all are available on CPAN. The only way to  
find out what they are is to attend!

Updates at the Chicago.pm wiki: http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm

xoxo,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From andy at petdance.com  Sat Dec 16 18:21:45 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:21:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers for upcoming meetings
Message-ID: <F67DFFE4-87AF-4ADD-9D26-43825807AAAB@petdance.com>

Now that we have a regularly scheduled space, we need speakers to do  
the speaking.  If you have something Perl-related, and maybe not even  
if it's strictly Perl-related, I'd love to hear about it.  Don't  
worry if you don't have 2 hours of material.  We may group together a  
couple of smaller presentations.

ALSO, something I want to try is having a five-minute talk about a  
cool module at each meeting, just after the mid-meeting break.  That  
way we'd have something in addition to the main talk to mix things  
up, and it would give people a chance to get their feet wet in speaking.

If you're interested in either of these, please contact me.

Thanks,
xox,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From warren.lindsey at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 09:05:37 2006
From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:05:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
Message-ID: <841e880a0612170905s3ce5a81bn1667e30eda3d1cd1@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Jason on this.  "Regular Meetings" is great news to me.
With regular meetings comes more attendance and we build momentum.
Perhaps then somebody will be motivated enough to have one in the city
again.  I prefer the idea that we can always count on Andy's place and
we can have Chicago meetings whenever anyone can make them happen.

Regular presenters will be harder to come by than regular spaces :-)
Maybe the next presentation could be, "Applying the Traveling Salesman
problem to visiting all past, present, and proposed Chi.PM meeting
places as visualized on a moving Google Maps display"

Warren

On 12/15/06, Jason A. Crome <perl at cromedome.net> wrote:
> Thanks for pointing that out, JT.  Seems people are quick to forget
> that.
>
> Why can't you all be happy with having the ability to meet somewhere
> rather than bicker about where you aren't meeting?  I'm in fucking
> DeKalb....  ANYWHERE we meet is at least an hour drive for me.  I'm
> grateful we'll be going back to having regular meetings.  I'm
> surprised that more of you aren't.
>
> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:48 AM, JT Smith wrote:
>
> > I think the point that you guys might all be missing is at least
> > Andy is doing SOMETHING. Though I moved away many months ago, I
> > keep up with the list, and you all have had plenty of opportunity
> > to get something going downtown. And to this point is has been hit
> > or miss at best. Andy has arranged for a permanent monthly meeting
> > location. Give him some props.
> >
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Shawn Carroll wrote:
> >
> >> With what?  We have two rather distinct groups.  Yeah the Sticks.pm
> >> comment was a little beyond the pale, but there is a point to be had
> >> where those of us that work or live in the City don't want to tramp
> >> off to some outer burb for a tech meeting.  Hell, I live almost as
> >> far
> >> south as you do north but I'd rather attend meetings in the city than
> >> goto Wheaton....
> >>
> >> On 12/15/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Nola Stowe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Or Sticks.pm
> >>>
> >>> It's stuff like this that makes me not want to bother.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago-talk mailing list
> >>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com
> >> Perl Programmer
> >> Soccer Referee
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago-talk mailing list
> >> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >
> > JT ~ Plain Black
> > ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
> > fax: 312-264-5382
> > http://www.plainblack.com
> >
> > I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

From andy at petdance.com  Sun Dec 17 09:09:14 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:09:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <841e880a0612170905s3ce5a81bn1667e30eda3d1cd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
	<841e880a0612170905s3ce5a81bn1667e30eda3d1cd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD8CBBB4-1920-433E-B530-31834E06FA89@petdance.com>


On Dec 17, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Warren Lindsey wrote:

> Regular presenters will be harder to come by than regular spaces :-)

Probably not.  Now that we have a regular space with a regular date,  
people can plan ahead.  I can have talks scheduled out for the next  
four months.

http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?upcoming_events

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 14:56:54 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:56:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <CD8CBBB4-1920-433E-B530-31834E06FA89@petdance.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
	<841e880a0612170905s3ce5a81bn1667e30eda3d1cd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<CD8CBBB4-1920-433E-B530-31834E06FA89@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380612171456v7382c9cdx8e7f33f1c48ad260@mail.gmail.com>

Umm, you guys have met there regularly for a long time... only now,
Andy is in charge.

Were you not on the meeting mailing list for Uniform Perl SIG?


On 12/17/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 17, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Warren Lindsey wrote:
>
> > Regular presenters will be harder to come by than regular spaces :-)
>
> Probably not.  Now that we have a regular space with a regular date,
> people can plan ahead.  I can have talks scheduled out for the next
> four months.
>
> http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?upcoming_events
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


-- 
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http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From kent at c2group.net  Sun Dec 17 15:42:22 2006
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:42:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <43e95380612171456v7382c9cdx8e7f33f1c48ad260@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
	<841e880a0612170905s3ce5a81bn1667e30eda3d1cd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<CD8CBBB4-1920-433E-B530-31834E06FA89@petdance.com>
	<43e95380612171456v7382c9cdx8e7f33f1c48ad260@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02661CBB-E816-45BE-9618-EB5C34AA6A3D@c2group.net>

So Nola,

Does that mean you're going to start joining us in Wheaton more  
regularly? :)

For any of my fellow city dwellers, I do generally have a few empty  
seats in my car, and generally drive to work so I can go straight to  
Wheaton after the work day is over.

-Kent Cowgill

C2 Group, Inc.                                             
kent at c2group.net
http://www.c2group.net                                         
312.804.0160


On Dec 17, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Nola Stowe wrote:

> Umm, you guys have met there regularly for a long time... only now,
> Andy is in charge.
>
> Were you not on the meeting mailing list for Uniform Perl SIG?
>
>
> On 12/17/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Warren Lindsey wrote:
>>
>>> Regular presenters will be harder to come by than regular spaces :-)
>>
>> Probably not.  Now that we have a regular space with a regular date,
>> people can plan ahead.  I can have talks scheduled out for the next
>> four months.
>>
>> http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?upcoming_events
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>
>
> -- 
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 16:02:39 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:02:39 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <7C0A92BD-F9D3-4A81-964B-0C8B431CD519@petdance.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<2715accf0612161245s57f17d63i5bc430c5e814da79@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C0A92BD-F9D3-4A81-964B-0C8B431CD519@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0612171602k77fe9b99m46d7a91eddbd1325@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> > and it isn't something for "props".
>
> It's not?  Organizing a monthly meeting isn't propsworthy?  I'm
> surprised to hear that from you brian.

So you're surprised. Why don't you just tell the people that you're
taking over something that's been going on for a very long time
instead of pretending that this is something new and that you've done
any amount of work on?

That's okay. I'm starting a new group for the people in Chicago :)

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 16:06:56 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:06:56 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <55FF75D3-B929-4DC3-BEDA-6A9ED5E1ADA8@petdance.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
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	<55FF75D3-B929-4DC3-BEDA-6A9ED5E1ADA8@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0612171606m1c3af7f5t473b255fde16687c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> I'm really baffled as to what the problem is here.  It almost sounds
> like you're upset with me personally.  I don't know why you haven't
> brought up any of your concerns with me about Chicago.pm.

Be baffled. Your asserting some sort of ownership and I'm going to do
something else for the people in Chicago. Keep the "Chicago.pm" name
if you like. I'll do something where I don't need to ask your
permission.


-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From jim at jimandkoka.com  Sun Dec 17 16:15:11 2006
From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:15:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0612171606m1c3af7f5t473b255fde16687c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<2715accf0612161245s57f17d63i5bc430c5e814da79@mail.gmail.com>
	<55FF75D3-B929-4DC3-BEDA-6A9ED5E1ADA8@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612171606m1c3af7f5t473b255fde16687c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70612171615n405ced92ld9a78335714604c2@mail.gmail.com>

Is there really a need to split up the group? I don't see any reason
why there can't be multiple meetings in multiple locations. Go to the
one in the city if you want, go to the one in the suburbs if you want,
go to the one in the other suburb if you want. I mean, it's not like
anything'd be exclusionary (I'd hope). "Oops, you can't attend this
meeting, since you live in Lake County." Bah.

Mainly, I don't want to need to subscribe to multiple lists to find
out about events that are going on, and if things'll end up getting
cross posted to all the lists anyway, then what's the point in
breaking it up?

If there's a strong desire to break up, how about Chicago::Northwest,
Chicago::City, Chicago::Southside, whatever? Still has some semblance
of community.

Regardless, all this infighting makes me sad. We all need to come
together as a group to fight the true enemy - the PHP people.

-Jim.....

On 12/17/06, brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/16/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm really baffled as to what the problem is here.  It almost sounds
> > like you're upset with me personally.  I don't know why you haven't
> > brought up any of your concerns with me about Chicago.pm.
>
> Be baffled. Your asserting some sort of ownership and I'm going to do
> something else for the people in Chicago. Keep the "Chicago.pm" name
> if you like. I'll do something where I don't need to ask your
> permission.
>
>
> --
> brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
> http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

From arodland at comcast.net  Sun Dec 17 16:30:00 2006
From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:30:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <5cfdfaf70612171615n405ced92ld9a78335714604c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612171606m1c3af7f5t473b255fde16687c@mail.gmail.com>
	<5cfdfaf70612171615n405ced92ld9a78335714604c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200612171830.00361.arodland@comcast.net>

On Sunday 17 December 2006 6:15 pm, Jim Thomason wrote:
> Is there really a need to split up the group? I don't see any reason
> why there can't be multiple meetings in multiple locations. Go to the
> one in the city if you want, go to the one in the suburbs if you want,
> go to the one in the other suburb if you want. I mean, it's not like
> anything'd be exclusionary (I'd hope). "Oops, you can't attend this
> meeting, since you live in Lake County." Bah.
>
> Mainly, I don't want to need to subscribe to multiple lists to find
> out about events that are going on, and if things'll end up getting
> cross posted to all the lists anyway, then what's the point in
> breaking it up?
>
> If there's a strong desire to break up, how about Chicago::Northwest,
> Chicago::City, Chicago::Southside, whatever? Still has some semblance
> of community.

Um, it's _been_ split up. There's been a regular meeting in Wheaton, courtesy 
of Uniforum, and a not-so-regular meeting in Chicago, courtesy of Chicago.pm. 
Anyone was, of course, free to attend either or both. Things have effectively 
just _unsplit_, with Chicago.pm taking over the Uniforum Perl SIG's meeting 
time and place. But since that's fairly inconvenient for those people who 
_don't_ live way out west, brian would like to establish meetings downtown 
again. Underlying all this are some issues with Andy's announcement style 
that I will choose not to touch.

Any further questions, confusions, comments, or gripes?

Andrew

From andy at petdance.com  Sun Dec 17 17:21:02 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:21:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0612171606m1c3af7f5t473b255fde16687c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<2715accf0612161245s57f17d63i5bc430c5e814da79@mail.gmail.com>
	<55FF75D3-B929-4DC3-BEDA-6A9ED5E1ADA8@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612171606m1c3af7f5t473b255fde16687c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19022D6F-D69B-4B6E-960A-17BB1C6E756D@petdance.com>


On Dec 17, 2006, at 6:06 PM, brian d foy wrote:

> Be baffled. Your asserting some sort of ownership and I'm going to do
> something else for the people in Chicago. Keep the "Chicago.pm" name
> if you like. I'll do something where I don't need to ask your
> permission.

What are you talking about?  What permission?  There's no permission  
involved with anything.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From andy at petdance.com  Sun Dec 17 17:31:38 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:31:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0612171602k77fe9b99m46d7a91eddbd1325@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<2715accf0612161245s57f17d63i5bc430c5e814da79@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C0A92BD-F9D3-4A81-964B-0C8B431CD519@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612171602k77fe9b99m46d7a91eddbd1325@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF837E19-B0C1-46EC-B086-119108FBC1D8@petdance.com>


On Dec 17, 2006, at 6:02 PM, brian d foy wrote:

> So you're surprised. Why don't you just tell the people that you're
> taking over something that's been going on for a very long time
> instead of pretending that this is something new and that you've done
> any amount of work on?

I did say that when I put out the announcement the other day.   
There's no pretending.  No, I did nothing to land the space, any more  
than I did when I ran the meetings at JT's company for a year or two.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From andy at petdance.com  Sun Dec 17 17:44:02 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:44:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <200612171830.00361.arodland@comcast.net>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612171606m1c3af7f5t473b255fde16687c@mail.gmail.com>
	<5cfdfaf70612171615n405ced92ld9a78335714604c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200612171830.00361.arodland@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5C212E06-8210-4520-A69C-2E28EECE0194@petdance.com>


On Dec 17, 2006, at 6:30 PM, Andrew Rodland wrote:

> But since that's fairly inconvenient for those people who
> _don't_ live way out west, brian would like to establish meetings  
> downtown
> again.

That's great.  I can't imagine that anyone would think that a bad  
thing.  I'm not seeing the problem here.

Is it a problem to have downtown meetings and suburban meetings both  
under the banner of Chicago.pm?  If it is, then by all means let's  
rename the suburbs.  I just don't get the problem.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 17:51:59 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:51:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <02661CBB-E816-45BE-9618-EB5C34AA6A3D@c2group.net>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
	<841e880a0612170905s3ce5a81bn1667e30eda3d1cd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<CD8CBBB4-1920-433E-B530-31834E06FA89@petdance.com>
	<43e95380612171456v7382c9cdx8e7f33f1c48ad260@mail.gmail.com>
	<02661CBB-E816-45BE-9618-EB5C34AA6A3D@c2group.net>
Message-ID: <43e95380612171751r15dc1d92q69e65555b88fac00@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Kent

Seeing as I am in the sticks in the south, 60 miles south of the city,
it would be 2 am till I get home most likely! The few times I've been
able to go, I've had some kind soul in the city willing to let me
crash on their couch overnight.

On 12/17/06, Kent Cowgill <kent at c2group.net> wrote:
> So Nola,
>
> Does that mean you're going to start joining us in Wheaton more
> regularly? :)
>
> For any of my fellow city dwellers, I do generally have a few empty
> seats in my car, and generally drive to work so I can go straight to
> Wheaton after the work day is over.
>
> -Kent Cowgill
>
> C2 Group, Inc.
> kent at c2group.net
> http://www.c2group.net
> 312.804.0160
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Nola Stowe wrote:
>
> > Umm, you guys have met there regularly for a long time... only now,
> > Andy is in charge.
> >
> > Were you not on the meeting mailing list for Uniform Perl SIG?
> >
> >
> > On 12/17/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Dec 17, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Warren Lindsey wrote:
> >>
> >>> Regular presenters will be harder to come by than regular spaces :-)
> >>
> >> Probably not.  Now that we have a regular space with a regular date,
> >> people can plan ahead.  I can have talks scheduled out for the next
> >> four months.
> >>
> >> http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?upcoming_events
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago-talk mailing list
> >> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> > http://CodeSnipers.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


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From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 09:09:12 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:09:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Lunch in the Loop, Fri Dec 22
Message-ID: <43e95380612180909x193be037x3a1dd2a76af13d2e@mail.gmail.com>

Lets try out a new location, this is a little more northeast than our
usual location -- right on the Magnificent Mile!

401 N. Michigan
11:45am
Friday, Dec 22nd.


I haven't been there, but here's a description from Kent:

You can basically walk north on Michigan, go across the bridge, and
it'll be the first building to your right.  So, it's right across
from the Wrigley building.

It's got "EQUITABLE" at the top, an NBC logo on the first floor on
the left, and a Fidelity logo on the first floor on the right.  Once
you go into the revolving doors, there's an escalator to your right
going down, and the cafeteria's way back in there.  They pretty much
have a little of everything, so nearly everyone (whoever shows up,
anyhow ;) ought to be able to find something they'll like.  Their
salad bar is pretty good, which is what I usually have there :)

http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/dining/39502,0,1015439.venue


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http://CodeSnipers.com

From frag at ripco.com  Mon Dec 18 09:16:17 2006
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:16:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <841e880a0612170905s3ce5a81bn1667e30eda3d1cd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
	<841e880a0612170905s3ce5a81bn1667e30eda3d1cd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181054270.21981@shell3>


On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Warren Lindsey wrote:

> I agree with Jason on this.  "Regular Meetings" is great news to me.
> With regular meetings comes more attendance and we build momentum.
> Perhaps then somebody will be motivated enough to have one in the city
> again. I prefer the idea that we can always count on Andy's place and
> we can have Chicago meetings whenever anyone can make them happen.

I concur.  Having a regular space in the outer burbs isn't a bad thing at 
all.  I might not attend often, but that's just the shoe going on the 
other foot.  However, it might help if we arranged an informal shuttle 
service from a Metra station on the UP/West Line to the meeting space. 
(I don't if the Wheaton or College Avenue station is closer.)

I would be against anything constituting a formal split into 2 separate 
monger groups.  Alternative meetups downtown would be fine with me, so 
long as they aren't scheduled at the same time as the other meetings.

-- Mike F.

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Dec 18 09:19:01 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:19:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Lunch in the Loop, Fri Dec 22
In-Reply-To: <43e95380612180909x193be037x3a1dd2a76af13d2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380612180909x193be037x3a1dd2a76af13d2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8F3F980-BDEA-48A2-9F57-A32D67E64F5E@petdance.com>


On Dec 18, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Nola Stowe wrote:

> Lets try out a new location, this is a little more northeast than our
> usual location -- right on the Magnificent Mile!

Thanks, Nola.  I put up a page at http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/ 
index.cgi?perl_lunch_in_the_loop_fri_dec_22_2006

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From andy at petdance.com  Mon Dec 18 09:20:00 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:20:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular meetings start again in January
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181054270.21981@shell3>
References: <DEC52742-1176-4C41-BE68-06763C87FC18@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150612pc6534dw123f9d5068dbd2dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8399D468-926C-472B-8402-6928C69312DC@petdance.com>
	<2715accf0612150718m1bc05a6cmefc6a3eb4fd33999@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380612150735r7b26d8f4wdf905204445a96fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20B490F1-B540-448A-B9A0-8B348C91094E@petdance.com>
	<c114984c0612150743j4d238d08q5d065bcf4a7505a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<118B81D7-45DB-4C38-B34F-76D331D7085A@plainblack.com>
	<714EACAE-37D9-47C6-8C53-BAB8A65F881F@cromedome.net>
	<841e880a0612170905s3ce5a81bn1667e30eda3d1cd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181054270.21981@shell3>
Message-ID: <7F6A9217-7DDC-4120-9BA4-F18ABBCF2E8D@petdance.com>


On Dec 18, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Mike Fragassi wrote:

> I would be against anything constituting a formal split into 2  
> separate
> monger groups.  Alternative meetups downtown would be fine with me, so
> long as they aren't scheduled at the same time as the other meetings.

Absolutely.  One of the great things about having regular meetings in  
one place is that it's now easier to plan other things around them.

xoa

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From frag at ripco.com  Mon Dec 18 10:04:04 2006
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:04:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular Chicago.pm meetings: 2nd Tuesday of each
 month
In-Reply-To: <2F98FB87-F114-43B4-A24C-EE407F6D423B@petdance.com>
References: <2F98FB87-F114-43B4-A24C-EE407F6D423B@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181158550.21981@shell3>


On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Andy Lester wrote:

> The Chicago Perl Mongers is pleased to announce the return of regular
  > meetings. In association with Uniforum Chicago, we'll be having
> technical meetings with presentations every 2nd Tuesday of the month,
> starting January 10th, 2007.

January 10th is a Wednesday; you meant the 9th, right?

Also, when does it start?

-- Mike F.

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Dec 18 10:07:11 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:07:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular Chicago.pm meetings: 2nd Tuesday of each
	month
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181158550.21981@shell3>
References: <2F98FB87-F114-43B4-A24C-EE407F6D423B@petdance.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181158550.21981@shell3>
Message-ID: <6FAD0D49-7049-4DC2-B91C-3DAFD19FE170@petdance.com>


On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote:

>
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Andy Lester wrote:
>
>> The Chicago Perl Mongers is pleased to announce the return of regular
>> meetings. In association with Uniforum Chicago, we'll be having
>> technical meetings with presentations every 2nd Tuesday of the month,
>> starting January 10th, 2007.
>
> January 10th is a Wednesday; you meant the 9th, right?
>
> Also, when does it start?

7pm.  Yes, the 9th, not the 10th.

http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi? 
2007_01_09_new_modules_for_the_new_year


--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From mongers at bsod.net  Mon Dec 18 10:09:38 2006
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:09:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular Chicago.pm meetings: 2nd Tuesday of each
 month
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181158550.21981@shell3>
References: <2F98FB87-F114-43B4-A24C-EE407F6D423B@petdance.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181158550.21981@shell3>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612181208260.2326@steward.bsod.net>

Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Regular Chicago.pm meetings: 2nd Tuesday of each month
From: Mike Fragassi <frag at ripco.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:04:04 -0600 (CST)

}January 10th is a Wednesday; you meant the 9th, right?

We fixed the date on the wiki, but yes, the 9th.

}Also, when does it start?

7:00 PM.  Runs two hours.  Socializing at CozyMel's afterwards.

-Pete K

From kent at c2group.net  Mon Dec 18 10:16:34 2006
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:16:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular Chicago.pm meetings: 2nd Tuesday of each
	month
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181158550.21981@shell3>
References: <2F98FB87-F114-43B4-A24C-EE407F6D423B@petdance.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.61.0612181158550.21981@shell3>
Message-ID: <B11334DA-D989-400C-85AD-6679DD3FBDAC@c2group.net>

That was a trick question.  You passed.

Those meetings generally start at 7:00.

-Kent Cowgill

C2 Group, Inc.                                             
kent at c2group.net
http://www.c2group.net                                         
312.804.0160


On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote:

>
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Andy Lester wrote:
>
>> The Chicago Perl Mongers is pleased to announce the return of regular
>> meetings. In association with Uniforum Chicago, we'll be having
>> technical meetings with presentations every 2nd Tuesday of the month,
>> starting January 10th, 2007.
>
> January 10th is a Wednesday; you meant the 9th, right?
>
> Also, when does it start?
>
> -- Mike F.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 11:00:38 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:00:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Lunch in the Loop, Fri Dec 22
In-Reply-To: <B8F3F980-BDEA-48A2-9F57-A32D67E64F5E@petdance.com>
References: <43e95380612180909x193be037x3a1dd2a76af13d2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8F3F980-BDEA-48A2-9F57-A32D67E64F5E@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380612181100u50cb0770lf6102982daa7230e@mail.gmail.com>

did you or could you send to annouce list please? some people have
told me they'd come but they only get on announce list.

On 12/18/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 18, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Nola Stowe wrote:
>
> > Lets try out a new location, this is a little more northeast than our
> > usual location -- right on the Magnificent Mile!
>
> Thanks, Nola.  I put up a page at http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/
> index.cgi?perl_lunch_in_the_loop_fri_dec_22_2006
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


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From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Mon Dec 18 12:32:11 2006
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:32:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Malformed UTF-8 character
In-Reply-To: <006d01c72072$2bec5e60$6663a8c0@zzz>
Message-ID: <OFF9777A28.C64265C4-ON86257248.00709C43-86257248.0070CB52@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

> I now use something similar to `iconv -c -t UTF-8 < inputfile` to clean 
out
any UTF-8 badness.  The -c option does that for you.


Yeah, but its not so much as I want to remove them, but I want to *find* 
them as they're a ... call it syntax error, in the input data.  I was 
trying to s/// to something markable and return that so folks could clean 
up their input.  Which I can do, I just get those warnings ...

a

Andy Bach
Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

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Summit Dux 

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 07:11:08 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:11:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Lunch in the Loop, Fri Dec 22
In-Reply-To: <43e95380612180909x193be037x3a1dd2a76af13d2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380612180909x193be037x3a1dd2a76af13d2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380612220711l2e1fcdf7k8904a26adde2972d@mail.gmail.com>

Reminder -- its today!

On 12/18/06, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Lets try out a new location, this is a little more northeast than our
> usual location -- right on the Magnificent Mile!
>
> 401 N. Michigan
> 11:45am
> Friday, Dec 22nd.
>
>
> I haven't been there, but here's a description from Kent:
>
> You can basically walk north on Michigan, go across the bridge, and
> it'll be the first building to your right.  So, it's right across
> from the Wrigley building.
>
> It's got "EQUITABLE" at the top, an NBC logo on the first floor on
> the left, and a Fidelity logo on the first floor on the right.  Once
> you go into the revolving doors, there's an escalator to your right
> going down, and the cafeteria's way back in there.  They pretty much
> have a little of everything, so nearly everyone (whoever shows up,
> anyhow ;) ought to be able to find something they'll like.  Their
> salad bar is pretty good, which is what I usually have there :)
>
> http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/dining/39502,0,1015439.venue
>
>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
>


-- 
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From troncom2000 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 27 13:59:32 2006
From: troncom2000 at hotmail.com (Matt Rock)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:59:32 +0000
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Script Tweak
Message-ID: <BAY106-F84AB24F98EA2C4714479CABC00@phx.gbl>

If anybody would be interested in tweaking a Perl Script, I have the html 
page and the Perl Script for it. Let me know if you are interested and your 
rate.

Thanks,

Matt



Matt Rock, President
Trondheim Communications
Web Development & Design
"We Make the Web Come Alive!"
1801 Jeanette Avenue
St. Charles, IL 60174
630-862-7255
www.troncom2000.com



From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Wed Dec 27 14:13:09 2006
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:13:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Script Tweak
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F84AB24F98EA2C4714479CABC00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OF520611BD.AA812995-ON86257251.0079F508-86257251.007A0890@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

> If anybody would be interested in tweaking a Perl Script,

Is it terribly long?  Maybe the list could fix it and you could donate a 
reasonable sum to pay for the Camel or something (yes - I know, I'm in 
arrears myself there - I did put in a req. form but ... )


a

Andy Bach
Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

Millihelen, adj:
        The amount of beauty required to launch one ship.

... shouldn't that be a noun? K.M.

From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 28 06:55:06 2006
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 06:55:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Script Tweak
Message-ID: <20061228145506.64796.qmail@web58701.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

> If anybody would be interested in tweaking a Perl Script,

Is it an interesting script?

From shild at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 31 07:33:25 2006
From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:33:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Happy Holidays
Message-ID: <1167579206.78302.157.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>

A little late for Christmas ( I was sick), but 

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to everyone.

-- 
Scott T. Hildreth <shild at sbcglobal.net>
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