From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Mon Jun 6 09:03:14 2005 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach@wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:03:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw: Phalanx at YAPC::NA::2005 Message-ID: ----- Forwarded by Andy Bach/WIWB/07/USCOURTS on 06/06/2005 11:06 AM ----- James E Keenan 06/02/2005 08:39 PM To perl-qa at perl.org cc Subject Phalanx at YAPC::NA::2005 On Monday, June 27, Marc Prewitt and I will be making a presentation at YAPC::NA::2005 in Toronto entitled "Phalanx from the Trenches: A Local Perl Users Group's Experience." While the main focus of our talk will be on our experience with the Perl Seminar NY Phalanx contingent's work on Text-Template and HTML-Template, we would like to make reference to the experiences of other locally-based Phalanx contingents and of any Perl hackers working solo on phalanxing CPAN modules. If you'd like to share your experiences, send me mail at jkeen [at] verizon [dot] net. And if you are attending YAPC, we'd love to meet up with you there! Jim Keenan From andy at petdance.com Mon Jun 6 10:05:00 2005 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:05:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw: Phalanx at YAPC::NA::2005 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050606170459.GA10081@petdance.com> On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:03:14AM -0500, Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) wrote: > On Monday, June 27, Marc Prewitt and I will be making a presentation at > YAPC::NA::2005 in Toronto entitled "Phalanx from the Trenches: A Local > Perl Users Group's Experience." Anything you can give Jim Keenan about how we did with Phalanx would be appreciated. Pete Krawczyk, Jason Gessner and I are all going to YAPC. Anyone else? -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From andy at petdance.com Mon Jun 6 10:05:00 2005 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:05:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw: Phalanx at YAPC::NA::2005 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050606170459.GA10081@petdance.com> On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:03:14AM -0500, Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) wrote: > On Monday, June 27, Marc Prewitt and I will be making a presentation at > YAPC::NA::2005 in Toronto entitled "Phalanx from the Trenches: A Local > Perl Users Group's Experience." Anything you can give Jim Keenan about how we did with Phalanx would be appreciated. Pete Krawczyk, Jason Gessner and I are all going to YAPC. Anyone else? -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From frag at ripco.com Mon Jun 6 11:45:18 2005 From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:45:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw: Phalanx at YAPC::NA::2005 In-Reply-To: <20050606170459.GA10081@petdance.com> References: <20050606170459.GA10081@petdance.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Andy Lester wrote: > Pete Krawczyk, Jason Gessner and I are all going to YAPC. Anyone else? I am. -- Mike F. From perl at cromedome.net Mon Jun 6 13:32:35 2005 From: perl at cromedome.net (Jason A. Crome) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:32:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw: Phalanx at YAPC::NA::2005 In-Reply-To: <20050606170459.GA10081@petdance.com> References: <20050606170459.GA10081@petdance.com> Message-ID: <42A4B2E3.5040605@cromedome.net> I'm going. Andy Lester wrote: > On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:03:14AM -0500, Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) wrote: > >>On Monday, June 27, Marc Prewitt and I will be making a presentation at >>YAPC::NA::2005 in Toronto entitled "Phalanx from the Trenches: A Local >>Perl Users Group's Experience." > > > Anything you can give Jim Keenan about how we did with Phalanx would > be appreciated. > > Pete Krawczyk, Jason Gessner and I are all going to YAPC. Anyone else? > > From jason at multiply.org Mon Jun 6 14:26:50 2005 From: jason at multiply.org (jason@multiply.org) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:26:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw: Phalanx at YAPC::NA::2005 In-Reply-To: <42A4B2E3.5040605@cromedome.net> References: <20050606170459.GA10081@petdance.com> <42A4B2E3.5040605@cromedome.net> Message-ID: <20050606162650.61be5rlpflvocwgk@manage.multiply.org> Quoting "Jason A. Crome" : > I'm going. > > Andy Lester wrote: >> Pete Krawczyk, Jason Gessner and I are all going to YAPC. Anyone else? >> sadly, scheduling is preventing me from heading up north to YAPC. grrrrr. That is pretty much all i have to say about that. -jason From zrusilla at mac.com Mon Jun 6 14:38:02 2005 From: zrusilla at mac.com (zrusilla@mac.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:38:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw: Phalanx at YAPC::NA::2005 In-Reply-To: <20050606162650.61be5rlpflvocwgk@manage.multiply.org> References: <20050606170459.GA10081@petdance.com> <42A4B2E3.5040605@cromedome.net> <20050606162650.61be5rlpflvocwgk@manage.multiply.org> Message-ID: I'm wondering if I can persuade my boss that YAPC means Yet Another PHP Conference. Liz On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:26 PM, jason at multiply.org wrote: > Quoting "Jason A. Crome" : > >> I'm going. >> >> Andy Lester wrote: > >>> Pete Krawczyk, Jason Gessner and I are all going to YAPC. Anyone >>> else? >>> > > sadly, scheduling is preventing me from heading up north to YAPC. > grrrrr. That > is pretty much all i have to say about that. > > -jason > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > From andy at petdance.com Tue Jun 7 07:26:19 2005 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:26:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] "Preventing Crisis: Project estimation and tracking that works" Message-ID: <20050607142619.GA20455@petdance.com> If anyone is interested in seeing my "Preventing Crisis" talk that I gave at last Chicago.PM, and will be giving out at OSCON: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2005/view/e_sess/6826 please come to the NW Chicago Linux User Group meeting tonight at 7pm. http://nwclug.harpercollege.edu/httpd/html/meetings.html xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From mongers at bsod.net Thu Jun 9 13:10:12 2005 From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:10:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] June Meeting? Message-ID: Are we having a June meeting on Tuesday? If so, have we decided on which topic will be presented? Thanks, -Pete K -- Pete Krawczyk mongers at bsod dot net From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 14:16:28 2005 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:16:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago Python Site Down Message-ID: <3096c19d05060914165f2728cc@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, There's some cross-membership, so I wanted to drop a line that despite chipy.org being down (along with the whole of serverbeach.com) tonight's chipy meeting is still on. Information is as follows, 7 PM Thursday, 53 W Jackson (a.k.a. The Monadnock), rm 826. Thanks, Chris From glim at mycybernet.net Thu Jun 16 21:43:00 2005 From: glim at mycybernet.net (Gerard Lim) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:43 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Last-minute reminder -- YAPC::NA 2005 Message-ID: Here's a last reminder about Yet Another Perl Conference, North America (YAPC::NA 2005) http://yapc.org/America In case anyone out there has been sitting on the fence or has been meaning to register but has put it on the backburner until now, here is a final information package. Dates: Mon - Wed June 27 - 29, 2005 (11 days from now!) Location: 89 Chestnut Street, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Accommodations ============== Due to recent renegotiations with the conference facility and hotel, 89 Chestnut, there are still a few rooms left. For details on accommodations go to: http://www.yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml For quick and easy booking: 89 Chestnut Phone: +1-416-977-0707 Conference booking code: perl0626 The base rate is approx. CAD$80/night, which is *great* for downtown Toronto. Add in taxes and in-room high speed internet and it's up to about CAD$95/night. Book yourself to check-in on Sunday the 26th and check-out on the morning of Wednesday the 29th. Conference Registration ======================= Registration is easy and cheap - only USD$85 - see http://yapc.org/America/register-2005.shtml for details or register directly online at http://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=registrant%20info&conference_id=423 The schedule is awesome - http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day1.html >From here, click on the "Day 2" and "Day 3" spots near the top to go from page to page. Click on a talk name to get details regarding the talk. Speakers include Larry Wall, Allison Randal, Autrijus Tang, Brian Ingerson, Andy Lester, chromatic, brian d foy, Chip Salzenberg & Dan Sugalski... and many more! [ This message was sent by Gerard Lim on behalf of the YAPC::NA 2005 Conference organizing committee of the Toronto Perl Mongers. Thanks for your patience and support. ] From richard at rushlogistics.com Mon Jun 20 08:16:52 2005 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Capturing OS command output. Message-ID: <20050620151653.45647.qmail@web306.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone know how can I get the scalar to give me the path of the convert command? my $convert_path = system("which convert"); just gives me the success or fail results. Thanks, Richard A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. -Dwight D. Eisenhower. From jt at plainblack.com Mon Jun 20 08:20:42 2005 From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Capturing OS command output. In-Reply-To: <20050620151653.45647.qmail@web306.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050620151653.45647.qmail@web306.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Use ticks my $var = `which convert`; On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Richard Reina wrote: > > Does anyone know how can I get the scalar to give me > the path of the convert command? > > my $convert_path = system("which convert"); > > just gives me the success or fail results. > > Thanks, > Richard > > A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. > -Dwight D. Eisenhower. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk JT ~ Plain Black ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810 fax: 312-264-5382 http://www.plainblack.com Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave. From mongers at bsod.net Mon Jun 20 08:21:20 2005 From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:21:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Capturing OS command output. In-Reply-To: <20050620151653.45647.qmail@web306.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Subject: [Chicago-talk] Capturing OS command output. From: Richard Reina Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT) }my $convert_path = system("which convert"); One of: my $convert_path = `which convert`; my $convert_path = qx/which convert/; will work better for you. ` and qx are equivalent the same way " and qq are. "perldoc perlop" and look for qx. -Pete K -- Pete Krawczyk mongers at bsod dot net From richard at rushlogistics.com Mon Jun 20 10:53:43 2005 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Capturing OS command output. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050620175343.14619.qmail@web301.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pete and JT, Thanks for the help. --- Pete Krawczyk wrote: > Subject: [Chicago-talk] Capturing OS command output. > From: Richard Reina > Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT) > > }my $convert_path = system("which convert"); > > One of: > > my $convert_path = `which convert`; > my $convert_path = qx/which convert/; > > will work better for you. > > ` and qx are equivalent the same way " and qq are. > "perldoc perlop" and > look for qx. > > -Pete K > -- > Pete Krawczyk > mongers at bsod dot net > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. -Dwight D. Eisenhower. From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Mon Jun 27 09:18:55 2005 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach@wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] [PERL.COM]: Iterate the Sprogs Message-ID: Couple of very interesting 'frameworks' for perl, Sprog: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/06/23/sprog.html (good/funny article, too) and Catalyst: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/06/02/catalyst.html oh, and iterators: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/06/16/iterators.html ----- Forwarded by Andy Bach/WIWB/07/USCOURTS on 06/27/2005 11:11 AM ----- Perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers =================================================================== Accelerating Change 2005: Artificial Intelligence and Intelligence Amplification September 16-18th, Stanford University http://accelerating.org/ac2005 Forty-five leading change agents. 350 future-aware attendees. People and ideas that accelerate our world. 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