[Chicago-talk] Qualify Skills?

[petemar1]

"Andy touched Larry's moustache twice..."


That's what makes /Perl M([ou]nger|aniac|onk)s/ more of a community than
the developers of any other language. I've never heard the exploits of
prominent Java developers who've fondled James Goslings' beard,
Bjarne Stroustrup's bald pate or Guido van Rossum's semprini.

I believe that it's more effective for an interviewer to give a series of
various technical tests than merely to demand a spot self-appraisal of an
interviewee's Perl skills. The grading scale is useful for getting an
answer to the question "Are you sure that you know what you know?"

Also, the self-assessment varies as scope varies. A grade for general
programming/computational science knowledge may be different from a
self-assessment for Perl knowledge, which in turn may be different from a
self-assessment for Perl knowledge used in the financial services
industry, for example. The self-grade should be one of many interviewer
tests.



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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, JT Smith wrote:

> Maybe my description sells short, but I think we ended up on the same grade. You just
> described Andy Lester (except that he has touched Larry's moustache twice) and gave him
> a B+.
>
> The grade I gave myself is because:
>
> 1) I've never really used Test::More
>
> 2) And I have no formal programming training. So I don't have a good working knowledge
> of a lot of the design patterns and other things that I should know to be a truely good
> Perl programmer.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:58:46 -0500
>   Jim Thomason <thomasoniii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >That sells yourself short. Standard grade range is A is top 10%, B is
> >top 20%, C is top 30%, etc.
> >
> >If you say you're a B, then that tells the interviewer if they
> >interview 100 people, they're likely to find one person better than
> >you.
> >
> >Restricting A level people down to only the gurus is silly and would
> >probably not be what an interviewer would do.
> >
> >If you want to hedge your bets, then the best thing would probably be
> >to rattle off the things that you know, and then come up with a grade.
> >
> >"Well, I contributed Foo::Bar to CPAN, I've deployed 17 sites in
> >mod_perl, I've optimized lots of code for big performance gains, I
> >once touched Larry Wall's moustache, and I can walk on water while
> >playing the ukelele. I'd say I'm a solid B+."
> >
> >Personally, when I was interviewing people, I'd only ask questions
> >like that to get a jumping off point for where I should start grilling
> >them when I did the tech eval. Having someone say, "I'm an A!" is
> >kinda useless, they need to prove it. So have the goods to back up
> >your claim, but don't sell yourself short.
> >
> >-Jim.....
> >
> >On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:52:22 -0500, JT Smith <jt at plainblack.com> wrote:
> >> A+ = Larry Wall
> >> A = Damian Conway
> >> B+ = Andy Lester
> >> C+/B- = JT Smith
> >>
> >> To be in the A range, you'd have to be a Larry Wall, Randal Schwartz, Damian Conway
> >>type
> >> person I would think. Not that you have to be them, just that you have to know the
> >>inner
> >> workings of Perl, and all of the coolio tricks they do.
> >>
> >> If you know mod_perl, Perl core, Test::More, and a good working knowledge of CPAN,
> >>then
> >> you're probably in the B range.
> >>
> >> Anything else and your a lesser grade.
> >>
> >> That's my 2 cents.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:25:43 -0500
> >>
> >>
> >>   Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >I ran across a few Perl jobs on craigslist.  After contacting one of
> >> >the recruiters, she asked me to grade myself, as in, am I a B+ Perl
> >> >developer?
> >> >
> >> >Any thoughts on a rule of thumb way to classify a developer?
> >> >
> >> >Something along the lines of:
> >> >
> >> >An A+ developer can do x y z from memory, and has probably contributed
> >> >to CPAN...
> >> >
> >> >would be helpful.  Or maybe just a paragraph about, "so, you want to
> >> >be a full time Perl developer, here's the basic skill set..."
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >Chris
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> >> JT ~ Plain Black
> >>
> >> Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave.
> >>
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