From lewart at uiuc.edu  Thu Jul  6 08:51:09 2006
From: lewart at uiuc.edu (Daniel Lewart)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:51:09 -0500
Subject: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation
	Grants]
Message-ID: <44AD316D.8030901@uiuc.edu>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [pm_groups] Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:39:32 +0200
From: Thomas Klausner <domm at cpan.org>
To: pm_groups at pm.org

Hi!

Please forward the Call for Proposals to your local groups. The last
call didn't result in any grants because there weren't enough /
interesting / correct proposals.

http://news.perlfoundation.org/2006/07/call_for_proposals_perl_founda.html

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From lewart at uiuc.edu  Mon Jul 10 09:07:03 2006
From: lewart at uiuc.edu (Daniel Lewart)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:07:03 -0500
Subject: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm gathering
	orders now.]
Message-ID: <44B27B27.5020703@uiuc.edu>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm gathering orders now.
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:19:53 -0500
From: Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net>
To: pm_groups at pm.org

It's baaaack! Once every 2 years or so since 1996 one or more Perl Monger 
groups have banded together to place a t-shirt order. In 2004 the Omaha Perl 
Mongers and the SouthFlorida Perl Mongers ordered about 60 shirts.

This is your chance for 2006/2007. (Unless you'd rather go it alone, of 
course. -grin-)

Details:
    http://omaha.pm.org/shirts.shtml

If you think your group might be interested please let me know. Once your 
groups' order is set send me the list and your mailing address (Federal 
Express). I can't track dozens of local individuals per group, so I'll be 
counting on group leaders for all local footwork.

If you want a shipping quote let me know and I'll try to chase one down for 
you based on some estimated order size...

Order cut off is August 8th, 1 month from today.

Be the shwankiest geeks in your area! :)

Cheerio,

j

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From BPrice at atgf.com  Mon Jul 10 09:18:41 2006
From: BPrice at atgf.com (Price, Bob)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:18:41 -0500
Subject: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
	gatheringorders now.]
Message-ID: <7B1970F59CFD5A48AFECBD7996812E490661FFB6@chi-msg-01.atgf.com>

Dan,

Perhaps this shirt mailing is a good opportunity to spark interest in a
meeting again.

(for the rest of you, Dan suggested we have a meeting when I waved him
down in the freedom celebration parade on the 4th ;)

I'd be interested in a shirt, maybe a meeting to take orders?

Bob Price


-----Original Message-----
It's baaaack! Once every 2 years or so since 1996 one or more Perl
Monger groups have banded together to place a t-shirt order. In 2004 the
Omaha Perl Mongers and the SouthFlorida Perl Mongers ordered about 60
shirts.


From mepstein at uiuc.edu  Mon Jul 10 10:12:29 2006
From: mepstein at uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:12:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
 gatheringorders now.]
In-Reply-To: <7B1970F59CFD5A48AFECBD7996812E490661FFB6@chi-msg-01.atgf.com>
References: <7B1970F59CFD5A48AFECBD7996812E490661FFB6@chi-msg-01.atgf.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0607101158070.5122@shalom>

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Price, Bob wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Perhaps this shirt mailing is a good opportunity to spark interest
> in a meeting again.
>
> (for the rest of you, Dan suggested we have a meeting when I waved
> him down in the freedom celebration parade on the 4th ;)
>
> I'd be interested in a shirt, maybe a meeting to take orders?
[ ... ]

Another possible meeting topic: Recently I discovered the book Perl
Best Practices, by Damian Conway, and it looks quite good -- at least,
from the sample chapter available from the book's web site :-):

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlbp/

Here's another sampling of the book:

http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/07/14/bestpractices.html

And for those at the University, you should be able to access the
entire book through Safari.

The book consists of a set of "best practices"
recommendations/guidelines.  Perhaps we could discuss the
recommendations made in one or both of the above sections of the book.

Milt Epstein
Research Programmer
Integration and Software Engineering (ISE)
Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
mepstein at uiuc.edu

From cjfields at uiuc.edu  Mon Jul 10 10:28:16 2006
From: cjfields at uiuc.edu (Chris Fields)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:28:16 -0500
Subject: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
	gatheringorders now.]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0607101158070.5122@shalom>
Message-ID: <000301c6a446$3b343120$15327e82@pyrimidine>

The book isn't accessible through U of I's Safari subscription.  Actually,
nothing Perl-specific published past October 2003 is!  I made a request for
several books to be added but they, seemingly, haven't bothered to add them.

I have Perl Best Practices, though, and I recommend it highly!  

Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: champaign-urbana-bounces+cjfields=uiuc.edu at pm.org [mailto:champaign-
> urbana-bounces+cjfields=uiuc.edu at pm.org] On Behalf Of Milt Epstein
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:12 PM
> To: Champaign-Urbana Perl Mongers
> Subject: Re: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
> gatheringorders now.]
> 
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Price, Bob wrote:
> 
> > Dan,
> >
> > Perhaps this shirt mailing is a good opportunity to spark interest
> > in a meeting again.
> >
> > (for the rest of you, Dan suggested we have a meeting when I waved
> > him down in the freedom celebration parade on the 4th ;)
> >
> > I'd be interested in a shirt, maybe a meeting to take orders?
> [ ... ]
> 
> Another possible meeting topic: Recently I discovered the book Perl
> Best Practices, by Damian Conway, and it looks quite good -- at least,
> from the sample chapter available from the book's web site :-):
> 
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlbp/
> 
> Here's another sampling of the book:
> 
> http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/07/14/bestpractices.html
> 
> And for those at the University, you should be able to access the
> entire book through Safari.
> 
> The book consists of a set of "best practices"
> recommendations/guidelines.  Perhaps we could discuss the
> recommendations made in one or both of the above sections of the book.
> 
> Milt Epstein
> Research Programmer
> Integration and Software Engineering (ISE)
> Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
> mepstein at uiuc.edu
> _______________________________________________
> Champaign-Urbana mailing list
> Champaign-Urbana at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/champaign-urbana


From mepstein at uiuc.edu  Mon Jul 10 10:41:20 2006
From: mepstein at uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:41:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
 gatheringorders now.]
In-Reply-To: <000301c6a446$3b343120$15327e82@pyrimidine>
References: <000301c6a446$3b343120$15327e82@pyrimidine>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0607101233350.5122@shalom>

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Chris Fields wrote:

> The book isn't accessible through U of I's Safari subscription.
> Actually, nothing Perl-specific published past October 2003 is!  I
> made a request for several books to be added but they, seemingly,
> haven't bothered to add them.
[ ... ]

I discovered the same thing when I went searching for this book after
I sent that note out.  One strange thing about it is that on one page
I found a link to a (PDF) list of all the books they offer, and this
book was on the list.  So I went back and searched some more, but
still couldn't find it.  Maybe it has something to do with the UofI's
license or academic licenses in general (i.e., it's not a complete
license).


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: champaign-urbana-bounces+cjfields=uiuc.edu at pm.org [mailto:champaign-
>> urbana-bounces+cjfields=uiuc.edu at pm.org] On Behalf Of Milt Epstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:12 PM
>> To: Champaign-Urbana Perl Mongers
>> Subject: Re: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
>> gatheringorders now.]
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Price, Bob wrote:
>>
>>> Dan,
>>>
>>> Perhaps this shirt mailing is a good opportunity to spark interest
>>> in a meeting again.
>>>
>>> (for the rest of you, Dan suggested we have a meeting when I waved
>>> him down in the freedom celebration parade on the 4th ;)
>>>
>>> I'd be interested in a shirt, maybe a meeting to take orders?
>> [ ... ]
>>
>> Another possible meeting topic: Recently I discovered the book Perl
>> Best Practices, by Damian Conway, and it looks quite good -- at least,
>> from the sample chapter available from the book's web site :-):
>>
>> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlbp/
>>
>> Here's another sampling of the book:
>>
>> http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/07/14/bestpractices.html
>>
>> And for those at the University, you should be able to access the
>> entire book through Safari.
>>
>> The book consists of a set of "best practices"
>> recommendations/guidelines.  Perhaps we could discuss the
>> recommendations made in one or both of the above sections of the book.
>>
>> Milt Epstein
>> Research Programmer
>> Integration and Software Engineering (ISE)
>> Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
>> mepstein at uiuc.edu
>> _______________________________________________
>> Champaign-Urbana mailing list
>> Champaign-Urbana at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/champaign-urbana
>

Milt Epstein
Research Programmer
Integration and Software Engineering (ISE)
Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
mepstein at uiuc.edu

From cjfields at uiuc.edu  Mon Jul 10 11:20:30 2006
From: cjfields at uiuc.edu (Chris Fields)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:20:30 -0500
Subject: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
	gatheringorders now.]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0607101233350.5122@shalom>
Message-ID: <000001c6a44d$86d74610$15327e82@pyrimidine>

It's the license the library has; they update it once a year based on use of
the titles.  I had requested this list of Perl titles:

Advanced Perl Programming 2nd ed.   by Cozens  (O'Reilly Press)
Intermediate Perl   by Schwartz et al  (O'Reilly Press)
Perl Best Practices  by Conway  (O'Reilly Press)
Perl 6 and Parrot Essentials, Second Edition  by Randal et al   (O'Reilly
Press)
Perl Hacks: Rough Cuts Version   by Conway et al (O'Reilly Press)
Mac OS X: The Missing Manual, Tiger Ed   by Pogue (O'Reilly Press)
Sequence Analysis in a Nutshell: A Guide to Tools  by Markel and Lyon
(O'Reilly Press)
Wicked Cool Perl Scripts  by Oualline (No Starch Press)

There may be additional ones available on the list now.

Notably, none were added; in fact, Programming Perl 3rd Ed is no longer
available on the subscription!  I'll check up on it; if you want you can
contact the person below who was responsible for the U of I Safari
subscription to let them know how you feel!


Wendy Allen Shelburne
Electronic Resources Librarian
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Room 12 Main Library
1408 West Gregory Drive
Phone: (217) 244-2068
Fax: (217) 244-9004
Email: shelburn at uiuc.edu


Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: champaign-urbana-bounces+cjfields=uiuc.edu at pm.org [mailto:champaign-
> urbana-bounces+cjfields=uiuc.edu at pm.org] On Behalf Of Milt Epstein
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:41 PM
> To: 'Champaign-Urbana Perl Mongers'
> Subject: Re: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
> gatheringorders now.]
> 
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Chris Fields wrote:
> 
> > The book isn't accessible through U of I's Safari subscription.
> > Actually, nothing Perl-specific published past October 2003 is!  I
> > made a request for several books to be added but they, seemingly,
> > haven't bothered to add them.
> [ ... ]
> 
> I discovered the same thing when I went searching for this book after
> I sent that note out.  One strange thing about it is that on one page
> I found a link to a (PDF) list of all the books they offer, and this
> book was on the list.  So I went back and searched some more, but
> still couldn't find it.  Maybe it has something to do with the UofI's
> license or academic licenses in general (i.e., it's not a complete
> license).
> 
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: champaign-urbana-bounces+cjfields=uiuc.edu at pm.org
> [mailto:champaign-
> >> urbana-bounces+cjfields=uiuc.edu at pm.org] On Behalf Of Milt Epstein
> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:12 PM
> >> To: Champaign-Urbana Perl Mongers
> >> Subject: Re: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
> >> gatheringorders now.]
> >>
> >> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Price, Bob wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dan,
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps this shirt mailing is a good opportunity to spark interest
> >>> in a meeting again.
> >>>
> >>> (for the rest of you, Dan suggested we have a meeting when I waved
> >>> him down in the freedom celebration parade on the 4th ;)
> >>>
> >>> I'd be interested in a shirt, maybe a meeting to take orders?
> >> [ ... ]
> >>
> >> Another possible meeting topic: Recently I discovered the book Perl
> >> Best Practices, by Damian Conway, and it looks quite good -- at least,
> >> from the sample chapter available from the book's web site :-):
> >>
> >> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlbp/
> >>
> >> Here's another sampling of the book:
> >>
> >> http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/07/14/bestpractices.html
> >>
> >> And for those at the University, you should be able to access the
> >> entire book through Safari.
> >>
> >> The book consists of a set of "best practices"
> >> recommendations/guidelines.  Perhaps we could discuss the
> >> recommendations made in one or both of the above sections of the book.
> >>
> >> Milt Epstein
> >> Research Programmer
> >> Integration and Software Engineering (ISE)
> >> Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
> >> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
> >> mepstein at uiuc.edu
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Champaign-Urbana mailing list
> >> Champaign-Urbana at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/champaign-urbana
> >
> 
> Milt Epstein
> Research Programmer
> Integration and Software Engineering (ISE)
> Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
> mepstein at uiuc.edu
> _______________________________________________
> Champaign-Urbana mailing list
> Champaign-Urbana at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/champaign-urbana


From jak at uiuc.edu  Mon Jul 10 12:12:37 2006
From: jak at uiuc.edu (Jay A. Kreibich)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:12:37 -0500
Subject: [CMI.PM] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm
	gatheringorders now.]
In-Reply-To: <000301c6a446$3b343120$15327e82@pyrimidine>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0607101158070.5122@shalom>
	<000301c6a446$3b343120$15327e82@pyrimidine>
Message-ID: <20060710191237.GD28711@uiuc.edu>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 12:28:16PM -0500, Chris Fields scratched on the wall:
> The book isn't accessible through U of I's Safari subscription.  Actually,
> nothing Perl-specific published past October 2003 is!  I made a request for
> several books to be added but they, seemingly, haven't bothered to add them.

  A few years back when I was more involved with the company, one of
  the benefits of publishing a book with O'Reilly (besides the
  extremely coveted "O'Reilly Author" baseball cap) was a life-time
  Safari subscription that included all O'Reilly/Safari books.

  Too bad I think the interface sucks.  I understand their desire to
  make it difficult to download a book, but I find it very very hard to
  search and read stuff through Safari.

   -j

-- 
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                        jak at uiuc.edu | Campus IT & Edu Svcs
          <http://www.uiuc.edu/~jak> | University of Illinois at U/C

From tomory at uiuc.edu  Tue Jul 11 13:47:09 2006
From: tomory at uiuc.edu (Mark C Tomory)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:47:09 -0500
Subject: [CMI.PM] YAPC::NA
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70605312111r364c211cg60d5aabd0e050efb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1871D6C61F72E43A523CACE6BB4669302D7F9@DSBEXCLUSTER.ad.uiuc.edu>

Hi, all,

Just wondering: did any of you go to YAPC::NA? (It was excellent.) I
went but I didn't run into anyone else from CU.

Fwiw, Damian Conway (author of the Best Practices book that Milt
mentioned) is an outstanding speaker. If he writes like he speaks, it
ought to be very good.

Let's have a meeting.

//Mark


> -----Original Message-----
> From: champaign-urbana-bounces+tomory=uiuc.edu at pm.org
[mailto:champaign-
> urbana-bounces+tomory=uiuc.edu at pm.org] On Behalf Of Joshua McAdams
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:11 PM
> To: Joshua McAdams
> Subject: [CMI.PM] YAPC::NA
> 
> Hi there fellow Perl Mongers.  I'm writing to remind you all that
> YAPC::NA is only a few weeks away.  The conference will be held in
> Chicago June 26th through 28th and will feature four simultaneous
> sessions of Perl talks for three days in addition to a job fair,
> banquet, and auction.  After the conference Damian Conway, Randal
> Schwartz, and brian d foy will be sticking around and conducting
> professional training classes and extremely reduced prices.
> 
> This email is a little spammy (sorry about that), but I just wanted to
> remind you all about the conference and also ask for your help in
> promoting it so that we can fill up the few spots that are remaining.
> 
> For more information check out http://www.yapcchicago.org.
> 
> We invite you to put up posters:
> 
>   http://yapcchicago.org/yapc_poster.pdf
>   http://yapcchicago.org/yapc_poster_white.pdf
> 
> Or maybe a web banner:
> 
>   http://www.yapcchicago.org/yapc_banner_wide.jpg
>   http://www.yapcchicago.org/yapc_banner_narrow.jpg
> 
> Thank you for your help in making YAPC a success once again,
> 
> Josh McAdams
> _______________________________________________
> Champaign-Urbana mailing list
> Champaign-Urbana at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/champaign-urbana

From matt at antitheoretical.org  Tue Jul 11 14:12:03 2006
From: matt at antitheoretical.org (Matt Reinhart)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:12:03 -0500
Subject: [CMI.PM] YAPC::NA
In-Reply-To: <A1871D6C61F72E43A523CACE6BB4669302D7F9@DSBEXCLUSTER.ad.uiuc.edu>
References: <49d805d70605312111r364c211cg60d5aabd0e050efb@mail.gmail.com>
	<A1871D6C61F72E43A523CACE6BB4669302D7F9@DSBEXCLUSTER.ad.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <20060711211203.GA8142@alameda.dreamhost.com>

I went.  It was lots o' fun.  Damian Conway is indeed an excellent
speaker!

I also think we should have a meeting.

-Matt

On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 03:47:09PM -0500, Mark C Tomory wrote:
> Hi, all,
> 
> Just wondering: did any of you go to YAPC::NA? (It was excellent.) I
> went but I didn't run into anyone else from CU.
> 
> Fwiw, Damian Conway (author of the Best Practices book that Milt
> mentioned) is an outstanding speaker. If he writes like he speaks, it
> ought to be very good.
> 
> Let's have a meeting.
> 
> //Mark
>