From grail at goldweb.com.au  Tue Oct  1 12:53:58 2002
From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Starting meetings
In-Reply-To: <3d93d560.608f.0@webone.com.au>
Message-ID: <C2FA3438-D566-11D6-BCEF-0050E4C03462@goldweb.com.au>

On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 01:49 , Jeremy wrote:

> *  Would you come to a meeting at all?

Only rarely - I don't even get to CLUG meetings as often as I like (my 
record is once a year so far).

Perhaps hold meetings as an adjunct to the CLUG meetings, eg present 
something about running mod_perl under Apache to the CLUG group, with 
Perl people invited too?  Already plenty of people there, some of whom 
may be interested in the Perl stuff.

Alex
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From caroline.scerri at defence.gov.au  Wed Oct  2 01:04:56 2002
From: caroline.scerri at defence.gov.au (caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-A LITTLE HELP...
Message-ID: <OFF40FAAC7.FC2F1101-ON4A256C46.001E0E87@car.defence.gov.au>

Hello,

the following is a script which goes through two directory levels of the current working directory, upon finding a htm or
html extension on a file alters the line which calls
for the cascading style sheet specified at the command line and create a new file which has the new
cascading style sheet reference, also specified at the command line.
The result (was hoping) should be an exact copy of the htm or html file with the altered <LINK> reference, instead i am getting a mirror image
directory
and file structure in the temporary directory, all files are of zero length.
Can someone please shed some light, the way i am attempting to redirect STDOUT ie `open (OUT_FILE, ">>$tmp_html_file")` ,
does not seem to be working.
Thanks

Caroline

#!/usr/local/bin/perl
#
# Script to quickly change the cascading style sheet being used by pages under
# the directory it is executed from. Only executes on current directory and any
# first level nested directory.
#
use strict;
use Shell qw(mv);

my $usage = "usage: $0 old_filename new_filename\n";
my $old_css = shift;
my $new_css = shift;
my @html_files = <*.html */*.html *.htm */*.htm>;
my $TMP = "./TMP";
my $CSS = "./NOC/css";
my @tmp_html_files = <$TMP/*.html $TMP/*/*.html $TMP/*.htm $TMP/*/*.htm>;

if ( ! -e "$CSS/$new_css" ) { print "$CSS/$new_css Does not exist, dying\n"; exi
t 1; }

foreach my $html_file ( @html_files )
{
   if ( -f $html_file )
   {
     my $tmp_html_file = "$TMP/$html_file" ;

     open (FILE, "$html_file") or print "Couldn't open $html_file, Skipping: $!\
n";
     open (OUT_FILE, ">>$tmp_html_file") or print "Couldn't create $tmp_html_fil
e, Skipping: $!\n";
     while (<FILE>)
     {
        if ( /(^\<LINK .*=\".*css\/)($old_css)(\".*\>)/ )
        {
          print "${1}${new_css}${3}";
        }
        else
        {
          print "$_";
        }
     }
     close OUT_FILE;
     close FILE;
##These lines will copy the altered files from there temporary location a mirrored directory structure of the files
## it just went through and copy them back to their appropriate production environment. However all they do now is clobber
## my good files with files of the same name but zero length.
     ##mv("$tmp_html_file", "$html_file");
     ##cp("${tmp_html_file}", "$WEB\/$html_file");
   }
}



From mikal at stillhq.com  Wed Oct  2 02:43:44 2002
From: mikal at stillhq.com (Michael Still)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-A LITTLE HELP...
In-Reply-To: <OFF40FAAC7.FC2F1101-ON4A256C46.001E0E87@car.defence.gov.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210021740570.28547-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au wrote:

> the following is a script which goes through two directory levels of the current working directory, upon finding a htm or
> html extension on a file alters the line which calls
> for the cascading style sheet specified at the command line and create a new file which has the new
> cascading style sheet reference, also specified at the command line.

Is it off charter to suggest alternatives in other languages?

find . -type f -name "*.htm*" -exec "cat {} | sed s/.../.../g > {}.new; mv -f {}.new {}"
                                                   ^    ^
         old text (escape regexp special characters)    |
                                  new text (with escpaes)

This is untested, but should conceptually work.

Is there a good perl equivalent?

Mikal


From jepri at webone.com.au  Wed Oct  2 07:53:13 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-A LITTLE HELP...
In-Reply-To: <OFF40FAAC7.FC2F1101-ON4A256C46.001E0E87@car.defence.gov.au>; from caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 16:04:56 +1000
References: <OFF40FAAC7.FC2F1101-ON4A256C46.001E0E87@car.defence.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20021002225313.A587@ghost>

On 2002.10.02 16:04 caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> the following is a script which goes through two directory levels of
> the current working directory, upon finding a htm or
> html extension on a file alters the line which calls
> for the cascading style sheet specified at the command line and create
> a new file which has the new
> cascading style sheet reference, also specified at the command line.
> The result (was hoping) should be an exact copy of the htm or html
> file with the altered <LINK> reference, instead i am getting a mirror
> image
> directory
> and file structure in the temporary directory, all files are of zero
> length.
> Can someone please shed some light, the way i am attempting to
> redirect STDOUT ie `open (OUT_FILE, ">>$tmp_html_file")` ,

Redirecting STDOUT is not a trivial operation.  It is usually easier to 
print into the filehandle instead, like this:
print OUT_FILE "${1}${new_css}${3}";

Note that there is no comma between the file handle and what you want 
to print.

If you don't specify a filehandle, it defaults to STDOUT.  Perl was 
seeing print STDOUT "${1}${new_css}${3}";

However the dot-stars in your regular expression could be a problem.  
The first dot-star will swallow everything else on the line, and the 
match will fail.  You should consider using \s* to catch spaces, and 
\S* to catch non-spaces.  A good post about the .* can be found at: 
http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=24640


>      open (OUT_FILE, ">>$tmp_html_file") or print "Couldn't create
> $tmp_html_fil
> e, Skipping: $!\n";
>      while (<FILE>)
>      {
>         if ( /(^\<LINK .*=\".*css\/)($old_css)(\".*\>)/ )
>         {
>           print "${1}${new_css}${3}";
>         }
>         else
>         {
>           print "$_";
>         }
>      }
>      close OUT_FILE;
>      close FILE;

From jepri at webone.com.au  Wed Oct  2 08:10:45 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-A LITTLE HELP...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210021740570.28547-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from mikal@stillhq.com on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 17:43:44 +1000
References: <OFF40FAAC7.FC2F1101-ON4A256C46.001E0E87@car.defence.gov.au> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210021740570.28547-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20021002231045.G587@ghost>

On 2002.10.02 17:43 Michael Still wrote:

> Is it off charter to suggest alternatives in other languages?
> 
> find . -type f -name "*.htm*" -exec "cat {} | sed s/.../.../g >
> {}.new; mv -f {}.new {}"

> Is there a good perl equivalent?

There's a perl command will change the files and leave backups as 
filename.bak  It's not quite what you want, but is handy.

find . -type f -name "*.htm*" | xargs -iXX perl -pe's/.../.../' -i.bak 
XX

Randal Schwartz also has a pure-perl solution that takes me five 
minutes to figure out each time I try to use it:

use File::Find;
my @new_list;
find sub {
   push @new_list, $File::Find::name if --- some criterion here ---;
}, @ARGV;
@ARGV = @new_list;
$^I = ".bak";
while (<>) {
   s/old/new/g;
   print;
}

From jepri at webone.com.au  Wed Oct  2 09:02:32 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Starting meetings
In-Reply-To: <C2FA3438-D566-11D6-BCEF-0050E4C03462@goldweb.com.au>; from grail@goldweb.com.au on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:53:58 +1000
References: <3d93d560.608f.0@webone.com.au> <C2FA3438-D566-11D6-BCEF-0050E4C03462@goldweb.com.au>
Message-ID: <20021003000232.I587@ghost>

On 2002.10.02 03:53 Alex Satrapa wrote:

> Perhaps hold meetings as an adjunct to the CLUG meetings, eg present 
> something about running mod_perl under Apache to the CLUG group, with 
> Perl people invited too?  Already plenty of people there, some of 
> whom may be interested in the Perl stuff.

I thought of that, but starting Perl meetings at the CLUG would be 
making a statement that I favoured Linux users over other Perl 
programmers.

We are definately operating system neutral, and one of our secret 
missions is to get everyone enjoying perl, regardless of OS 
preference.  So until we are big enough to do 'PerlMongers and CLUG 
present... extreme perl programming', I will be avoiding combined 
events.

Speaking of OS preferences, is anyone using Perl on MacOS?  I'm up for 
a new laptop and I'm tempted to try the Mac thing.

From iain-pm at dellah.org  Mon Oct 21 23:39:25 2002
From: iain-pm at dellah.org (Iain 'Spoon' Truskett)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Re: Starting meetings
In-Reply-To: <3d93d560.608f.0@webone.com.au>
References: <3d93d560.608f.0@webone.com.au>
Message-ID: <20021022043925.GC3112@ouroboros.anu.edu.au>

* Jeremy (jepri@webone.com.au) [27 Sep 2002 14:01]:

> *  Would you come to a meeting at all?

Yes.

> *  What kind of meeting?

Both ideally. Perhaps start with a few technical ones so the shy people
can be drawn in (like myself =) ).

If people want technical meetings, what would they like to see and hear?

Fun uses of LWP? Masterful regexen? 101 ways to core dump perl with your
XS? Writing elegant/idiomatic Perl? Infiltrating your work place with
Perl? Using Perl to automate your development? Using Perl to answer your
email? Perl vs Python? Perl vs PHP? mod_perl vs PHP? mod_perl and how it
can change your life.

etc.

> *  What would you be interested in seeing on the mailing list?  

> I can pass around tips, tricks, perl news, notice of events... or we
> can make the list a traditional Q&A resource.

Not sure. At the very least notice of events. Tips and tricks can be
fun.

See also: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/14/1454253

(A Quiz of the Week thing; we could have our own discussions on them,
compare code and such before the solutions come out etc)

> *  Which bits of perl are you interested in? 

Every bit. Primarily, getting to know as much of it as possible.
(I'd just like to recommend Simon Cozens and Tim Jenness's book
"Extending and Embedding Perl"; it's quite nice.)


cheers,
-- 
Iain.

From rob at cowsnet.com.au  Tue Oct 22 00:17:28 2002
From: rob at cowsnet.com.au (Rob Casey)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Re: Starting meetings
In-Reply-To: <20021022043925.GC3112@ouroboros.anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <006501c2798a$55354f40$12b51ecb@hewison.com.au>

> Fun uses of LWP? Masterful regexen? 101 ways to core dump perl with
your
> XS? Writing elegant/idiomatic Perl? Infiltrating your work place with
> Perl? Using Perl to automate your development? Using Perl to answer
your
> email? Perl vs Python? Perl vs PHP? mod_perl vs PHP? mod_perl and how
it
> can change your life.

A nifty little topic for a light-hearted talk that could have wide
appeal would be 'perl one-liners' - References for such a talk might
include:

http://history.perl.org/oneliners/
http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=55592
http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=84218

Cheers,
Rob



Rob Casey
Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant
Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services
http://www.cowsnet.com.au

 

-----Original Message-----
From: canberra-pm-admin@mail.pm.org
[mailto:canberra-pm-admin@mail.pm.org] On Behalf Of Iain 'Spoon'
Truskett
Sent: Tuesday, 22 October 2002 2:39 PM
To: canberra-pm@mail.pm.org
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Re: Starting meetings


* Jeremy (jepri@webone.com.au) [27 Sep 2002 14:01]:

> *  Would you come to a meeting at all?

Yes.

> *  What kind of meeting?

Both ideally. Perhaps start with a few technical ones so the shy people
can be drawn in (like myself =) ).

If people want technical meetings, what would they like to see and hear?

Fun uses of LWP? Masterful regexen? 101 ways to core dump perl with your
XS? Writing elegant/idiomatic Perl? Infiltrating your work place with
Perl? Using Perl to automate your development? Using Perl to answer your
email? Perl vs Python? Perl vs PHP? mod_perl vs PHP? mod_perl and how it
can change your life.

etc.

> *  What would you be interested in seeing on the mailing list?  

> I can pass around tips, tricks, perl news, notice of events... or we
> can make the list a traditional Q&A resource.

Not sure. At the very least notice of events. Tips and tricks can be
fun.

See also: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/14/1454253

(A Quiz of the Week thing; we could have our own discussions on them,
compare code and such before the solutions come out etc)

> *  Which bits of perl are you interested in? 

Every bit. Primarily, getting to know as much of it as possible.
(I'd just like to recommend Simon Cozens and Tim Jenness's book
"Extending and Embedding Perl"; it's quite nice.)


cheers,
-- 
Iain.
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From jepri at webone.com.au  Sun Oct 27 04:42:17 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Webpage
Message-ID: <20021027214217.A17863@ghost.(null)>

And speaking of getting things together, our webpage is looking a 
little shabby.  Would anyone like to take over sprucing it up?  It 
doesn't need too much, just a little more than the content free version 
right now.

When we figure out what we're doing and when we're doing it, we can put 
that up too.  Other pm groups have things like projects, links to 
member's webpages, local perl-friendly businesses.  If anyone knows of 
anything that they think should be on there, let us know.




From jepri at webone.com.au  Sun Oct 27 05:05:41 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Re: Starting meetings
In-Reply-To: <006501c2798a$55354f40$12b51ecb@hewison.com.au>; from rob@cowsnet.com.au on Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 15:17:28 +1000
References: <20021022043925.GC3112@ouroboros.anu.edu.au> <006501c2798a$55354f40$12b51ecb@hewison.com.au>
Message-ID: <20021027220541.C17863@ghost.(null)>

Eeek.  It looks like my other mail (the one I was speaking of) didn't 
make it off the ground.  I was saying that all these topics look pretty 
good, and wondering who was going to give them.

I've got one or two talks I could do, but I can guarantee that you'll 
get sick of my voice pretty fast.

It's interesting that there are people here developing for perl as well 
as using it.  I'm not good enough at C or XS to do that, or even talk 
about it.  Maybe Iain could tell us how to make basic wrappers for C 
libraries?

I'd like to have some people do some 'lightening talks' about what they 
do with perl.  Lightening talks are little five minute talks that you 
finish before you have time to get scared or run out of things to say.

The one liners sound good, but what does this one do?

perl -e"@_=a..z.~0"

It looks like 'fill a..z and concatenate with the binary something 
operator on zero'?  tye is a pretty scary coder.


On 2002.10.22 15:17 Rob Casey wrote:
> > Fun uses of LWP? Masterful regexen? 101 ways to core dump perl with
> your
> > XS? Writing elegant/idiomatic Perl? Infiltrating your work place
> with
> > Perl? Using Perl to automate your development? Using Perl to answer
> your
> > email? Perl vs Python? Perl vs PHP? mod_perl vs PHP? mod_perl and
> how
> it
> > can change your life.
> 
> A nifty little topic for a light-hearted talk that could have wide
> appeal would be 'perl one-liners' - References for such a talk might
> include:
> 
> http://history.perl.org/oneliners/
> http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=55592
> http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=84218
> 
> Cheers,
> Rob
> 

From mikal at stillhq.com  Sun Oct 27 05:09:24 2002
From: mikal at stillhq.com (Michael Still)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Webpage
In-Reply-To: <20021027214217.A17863@ghost.(null)>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272209030.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Jepri wrote:

> And speaking of getting things together, our webpage is looking a
> little shabby.  Would anyone like to take over sprucing it up?

Perhaps you should give me a hint as to the URL?

Mikal

-- 

Michael Still (mikal@stillhq.com)     UTC +10 hours


From jepri at webone.com.au  Sun Oct 27 05:17:51 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Webpage
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272209030.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from mikal@stillhq.com on Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 22:09:24 +1100
References: <20021027214217.A17863@ghost.(null)> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272209030.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20021027221751.E17863@ghost.(null)>

On 2002.10.27 22:09 Michael Still wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Jepri wrote:
> 
> > And speaking of getting things together, our webpage is looking a
> > little shabby.  Would anyone like to take over sprucing it up?
> 
> Perhaps you should give me a hint as to the URL?


It's at canberra.pm.org

From mikal at stillhq.com  Sun Oct 27 05:18:30 2002
From: mikal at stillhq.com (Michael Still)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Webpage
In-Reply-To: <20021027221751.E17863@ghost.(null)>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272217050.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Jepri wrote:

> It's at canberra.pm.org

Nice spacer graphics. The lynx rendition:


   Logo for page here
   [1]Home
   spacer graphic

                                  [EMBED]
            spacer graphic spacer graphic [EMBED] spacer graphic
                                  [EMBED]
                 spacer graphic [2]Main Page spacer graphic
                               spacer graphic
                                spacer graphic
                              [3]Mailing List
                               spacer graphic
                              [4]Coming soon
                               spacer graphic
                              [5]Coming Soon
                               spacer graphic
                              [6]Coming Soon
                               spacer graphic
                               spacer graphic
                               spacer graphic
                               spacer graphic
                               spacer graphic
                               spacer graphic
                               spacer graphic
                                  [EMBED]
                spacer graphic spacer graphic spacer graphic

Canberra.pm

   The "content free" edition

   All the action is currently happens on the mailing list. It's the
   closest thing we have to 'joining up'. So [7]sign up now.

References

   1. http://canberra.pm.org/index.html
   2. http://canberra.pm.org//index.html
   3. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/canberra-pm
   4. http://canberra.pm.org//nolink.html
   5. http://canberra.pm.org//nolink.html
   6. http://canberra.pm.org//nolink.html
   7. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/canberra-pm

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Perhaps until we've done something it doesn't really matter?

Mikal

-- 

Michael Still (mikal@stillhq.com)     UTC +10 hours


From jepri at webone.com.au  Sun Oct 27 05:33:25 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Webpage
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272217050.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from mikal@stillhq.com on Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 22:18:30 +1100
References: <20021027221751.E17863@ghost.(null)> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272217050.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20021027223325.G17863@ghost.(null)>

On 2002.10.27 22:18 Michael Still wrote:
> Perhaps until we've done something it doesn't really matter?

Yeah, but I see it as the main way to recruit new people - it's easier 
to tell someone to go to canberra.pm.org than to remember the mailing 
list sign up page or whatever.

And if the page looks nice they might be more inclined to follow 
through and join up.


I've already had someone on the CLUG list mocking the lack of a page so 
that's why there's a badly done page up instead.

From iain-pm at dellah.org  Sun Oct 27 07:18:55 2002
From: iain-pm at dellah.org (Iain 'Spoon' Truskett)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Re: Starting meetings
In-Reply-To: <20021027220541.C17863@ghost.(null)>
References: <20021022043925.GC3112@ouroboros.anu.edu.au> <006501c2798a$55354f40$12b51ecb@hewison.com.au> <20021027220541.C17863@ghost.(null)>
Message-ID: <20021027131855.GE30889@ouroboros.anu.edu.au>

* Jeremy Price (jepri@webone.com.au) [27 Oct 2002 22:07]:
> Eeek. It looks like my other mail (the one I was speaking of) didn't
> make it off the ground. I was saying that all these topics look pretty
> good, and wondering who was going to give them.

Given appropriate time I could probably come up with something for the
ones I suggested. That said, I'm usually crap at presentations =)

> I've got one or two talks I could do, but I can guarantee that you'll
> get sick of my voice pretty fast.

Ideally we'd find various companies, institutions and people who use
Perl in interesting ways and get them to do some talks.

It also depends on how many people decide to become regular mongers.

> It's interesting that there are people here developing for perl as
> well as using it.

I've a few modules on CPAN. I notice you've got a PAUSE ID but haven't
released anything. I generally find, when writing scripts, that a lot of
code can just be happily factored out. And if it's on CPAN, then I can't
lose it =)

My main bit of Perl using at present is the site http://books.perl.org/
Should be properly open at some point in the next few weeks if I get
enough tuits.

> I'm not good enough at C or XS to do that, or even talk about it.
> Maybe Iain could tell us how to make basic wrappers for C libraries?

Heh. And what will I do for the rest of the 5 minutes? =) No, a talk on
XS could happily go forever. The trick would be making it interesting.

> I'd like to have some people do some 'lightning talks' about what they
> do with perl. Lightning talks are little five minute talks that you
> finish before you have time to get scared or run out of things to say.

Just need sufficient people to fill some amount of time.

> The one liners sound good, but what does this one do?

> perl -e"@_=a..z.~0"

> It looks like 'fill a..z and concatenate with the binary something
> operator on zero'?  tye is a pretty scary coder.

Close, however . has a higher precedence than .., so it's really:

    @_ = 'a'..( 'z' . ~0 );

which is

    @_ = 'a'..'z4294967295';

So you'd best have a decent amount of RAM convenient if you run it.
Perl 6 and its lazy lists wouldn't have a problem; it would just take a
while to run if you then decided to print it all.

A more efficient (RAM-wise) equivalent in Perl 5 that would print it out
could be:

    for ( $_ = 'a'; $_ ne 'z'.~0; $_++ )
    {
        print "$_\n";
    }

But I wouldn't run it myself =)


cheers,
-- 
Iain.

From grail at goldweb.com.au  Sun Oct 27 07:26:48 2002
From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Webpage
References: <20021027221751.E17863@ghost.(null)> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272217050.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain> <20021027223325.G17863@ghost.(null)>
Message-ID: <3DBBE998.7070704@goldweb.com.au>

Jepri wrote:
> And if the page looks nice they might be more inclined to follow through 
> and join up.

What's with the SVG+XML MIME type?  Ick.  Howabout the attached page?

Just an idea - if people like it, I'll turn the syntax highlighting into 
a stylesheet, like all good web developers should do ;)

Alex
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From jepri at webone.com.au  Sun Oct 27 07:36:01 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Webpage
In-Reply-To: <3DBBE998.7070704@goldweb.com.au>; from grail@goldweb.com.au on Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 00:26:48 +1100
References: <20021027221751.E17863@ghost.(null)> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272217050.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain> <20021027223325.G17863@ghost.(null)> <3DBBE998.7070704@goldweb.com.au>
Message-ID: <20021028003601.I17863@ghost.(null)>

On 2002.10.28 00:26 Alex Satrapa wrote:

> What's with the SVG+XML MIME type?  Ick.  Howabout the attached page?

I gutted an old webpage of mine.  It had(has) SVG graphics.  Smaller 
than GIFs, and sometimes they don't crash mozilla.


> Just an idea - if people like it, I'll turn the syntax highlighting 
> into a stylesheet, like all good web developers should do ;)

I love it.  One vote from me.

From jepri at webone.com.au  Sun Oct 27 09:02:05 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Re: Starting meetings
In-Reply-To: <20021027131855.GE30889@ouroboros.anu.edu.au>; from iain-pm@dellah.org on Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 00:18:55 +1100
References: <20021022043925.GC3112@ouroboros.anu.edu.au> <006501c2798a$55354f40$12b51ecb@hewison.com.au> <20021027220541.C17863@ghost.(null)> <20021027131855.GE30889@ouroboros.anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20021028020205.K17863@ghost.(null)>

On 2002.10.28 00:18 Iain 'Spoon' Truskett wrote:
> * Jeremy Price (jepri@webone.com.au) [27 Oct 2002 22:07]:
> > Eeek. It looks like my other mail (the one I was speaking of) didn't
> > make it off the ground. I was saying that all these topics look
> pretty
> > good, and wondering who was going to give them.
> 
> Given appropriate time I could probably come up with something for the
> ones I suggested. That said, I'm usually crap at presentations =)

Well, it sounds like you've done more than I have(zero), so you'll be 
fine.

> Ideally we'd find various companies, institutions and people who use
> Perl in interesting ways and get them to do some talks.

Sounds great.  Trouble is I've never worked in a perl company before.  
I've always been the 'Perl guy'.  I worked at a ISP once, but the tech 
manager had something religious against Perl, and scrubbed it off all 
the machines.  I had to write in Bash script instead (ick!).

I hear it's pretty popular in some statistical and accountancy 
companies, but I don't know of any in Canberra.


> I've a few modules on CPAN. I notice you've got a PAUSE ID but haven't
> released anything. I generally find, when writing scripts, that a lot
> of

I'm actually just preparing my first for upload to Perlmonks to be torn 
apart.  My problem is I tinker in other peoples namespaces (e.g. Gtk) 
so I need to get clearance before I mess with them.


From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Sun Oct 27 17:26:33 2002
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Talks offer
In-Reply-To: <20021027220541.C17863@ghost.(null)>
References: <20021022043925.GC3112@ouroboros.anu.edu.au> <006501c2798a$55354f40$12b51ecb@hewison.com.au> <20021027220541.C17863@ghost.(null)>
Message-ID: <20021027232633.GA8017@mukc.org.au>

G'day Everyone,

	I'm a little late in arriving on the list, so please accept
my apologies for my tardiness.  I don't actually live in Canberra,
I'm actually Melbourne based, although I occasionally get to
travel up to the capital on business.  I was in Canberra earlier this
month providing Perl training at the ANU.  Hopefully there are
a few attendees from those courses on this list.  :)

	Anyway, for those who don't know me, I've been giving talks
on various things at Melbourne.pm.  I'm very happy to present a talk or
two at Canberra.pm whenever I happen to be in town.  Right now I don't
have any trips to Canberra on my calendar, so unfortunately I can't
give any dates at the moment.

	Hope that you're all having fun, and I look forward to
hearing about your first meeting even if I'm unable to attend.

	All the best,

		Paul

-- 
Paul Fenwick <pjf@perltraining.com.au> | http://perltraining.com.au/
Director of Training                   | Ph:  +61 3 9354 6001
Perl Training Australia                | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681

From caroline.scerri at defence.gov.au  Sun Oct 27 23:20:34 2002
From: caroline.scerri at defence.gov.au (caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Canberra-pm digest, Vol 1 #7 - 10 msgs
Message-ID: <OFC119D08B.A2354C4C-ON4A256C60.001D413A@car.defence.gov.au>

allo,

canberra.pm.org crashing nutscrape 4.79
anybody else experiencing problems?

caroline



From iain-pm at dellah.org  Mon Oct 28 00:05:08 2002
From: iain-pm at dellah.org (Iain 'Spoon' Truskett)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Canberra-pm digest, Vol 1 #7 - 10 msgs
In-Reply-To: <OFC119D08B.A2354C4C-ON4A256C60.001D413A@car.defence.gov.au>
References: <OFC119D08B.A2354C4C-ON4A256C60.001D413A@car.defence.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20021028060508.GK30889@ouroboros.anu.edu.au>

* caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au [28 Oct 2002 17:01]:
> canberra.pm.org crashing nutscrape 4.79
> anybody else experiencing problems?

Hmm. That's probably the SVG stuff. Then again, many things
crash 4.79 =)

Did anyone end up volunteering to make a less content-free page?


cheers,
-- 
Iain.

From jepri at webone.com.au  Mon Oct 28 01:14:45 2002
From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jeremy)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Canberra-pm digest, Vol 1 #7 - 10 msgs
Message-ID: <3dbcd5d5.40e7.0@webone.com.au>

>
>allo,
>
>canberra.pm.org crashing nutscrape 4.79
>anybody else experiencing problems?


If netscrape is having trouble, it's all the more reason to get a new page up.
 I don't have any particular fondness for the current page.

If it's any consolation, you aren't missing anything.  Just a link to the mailing
list sign-up page.


From iain-pm at dellah.org  Mon Oct 28 00:26:33 2002
From: iain-pm at dellah.org (Iain 'Spoon' Truskett)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Webpage
In-Reply-To: <3DBBE998.7070704@goldweb.com.au>
References: <20021027221751.E17863@ghost.(null)> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272217050.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain> <20021027223325.G17863@ghost.(null)> <3DBBE998.7070704@goldweb.com.au>
Message-ID: <20021028062633.GM30889@ouroboros.anu.edu.au>

* Alex Satrapa (grail@goldweb.com.au) [28 Oct 2002 00:33]:

[...]
> Just an idea - if people like it, I'll turn the syntax highlighting
> into a stylesheet, like all good web developers should do ;)

Looks nice (using lynx -dump in mutt).

Minor comments:

>                              Canberra Perl Mongers

>    require [1]CPAN;
>    require [2]Apache::Perl;

Go on: use a real module name, like 'mod_perl' (which does actually
exist in mod_perl 1.99). Not too sure about the CPAN link, but, hey,
it's you that's doing it. Ask 2 people about a web page they'll complain
about everything.

>    use [3]Perl::Mongers::Site;
>    [4]mailing_list;
>    sub mailing_list
>    {
>        print <<HERE;
>            [5]Subscribe to the Canberra.pm mailing list.
>            Alternately, check out the [6]archives.
>    HERE
>    }

Add some bits for meetings, just to encourage us to actually hold one.

Yada, yada. I like it. Did you use the vim 2html script, do it manually,
or use some other funky gadget?


cheers,
-- 
Iain.

From grail at goldweb.com.au  Mon Oct 28 15:38:11 2002
From: grail at goldweb.com.au (Alex Satrapa)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Webpage
References: <20021027221751.E17863@ghost.(null)> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0210272217050.4475-100000@localhost.localdomain> <20021027223325.G17863@ghost.(null)> <3DBBE998.7070704@goldweb.com.au> <20021028062633.GM30889@ouroboros.anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <3DBDAE43.20408@goldweb.com.au>

Iain 'Spoon' Truskett wrote:

>Yada, yada. I like it. Did you use the vim 2html script, do it manually,
>or use some other funky gadget?
>
I used Mozilla "Composer" - though that was only because I was 
experimenting. I normally use BBEdit on my Mac, but it's at a different 
house for a little while.

Now to see if Mozilla will send text or HTML email... I really don't 
like this mail client!

Alex




From caroline.scerri at defence.gov.au  Mon Oct 28 16:52:23 2002
From: caroline.scerri at defence.gov.au (caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:26:21 2004
Subject: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Canberra-pm digest, Vol 1 #8 - 5 msgs
Message-ID: <OF9250BC82.1B7D88D7-ON4A256C60.007D9595@car.defence.gov.au>

yah, i'll make a less content free website, just don't expect anything too
pretty,

caroline




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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:26:33 +1100
From: Paul Fenwick <pjf@perltraining.com.au>
To: canberra-pm@mail.pm.org
Organization: Perl Training Australia
Subject: [Canberra-pm] Talks offer

G'day Everyone,

      I'm a little late in arriving on the list, so please accept
my apologies for my tardiness.  I don't actually live in Canberra,
I'm actually Melbourne based, although I occasionally get to
travel up to the capital on business.  I was in Canberra earlier this
month providing Perl training at the ANU.  Hopefully there are
a few attendees from those courses on this list.  :)

      Anyway, for those who don't know me, I've been giving talks
on various things at Melbourne.pm.  I'm very happy to present a talk or
two at Canberra.pm whenever I happen to be in town.  Right now I don't
have any trips to Canberra on my calendar, so unfortunately I can't
give any dates at the moment.

      Hope that you're all having fun, and I look forward to
hearing about your first meeting even if I'm unable to attend.

      All the best,

            Paul

--
Paul Fenwick <pjf@perltraining.com.au> | http://perltraining.com.au/
Director of Training                   | Ph:  +61 3 9354 6001
Perl Training Australia                | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681

--__--__--

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To: canberra-pm@mail.pm.org
From: caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:20:34 +1000
Subject: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Canberra-pm digest, Vol 1 #7 - 10
msgs


allo,

canberra.pm.org crashing nutscrape 4.79
anybody else experiencing problems?

caroline



--__--__--

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:05:08 +1100
From: "Iain 'Spoon' Truskett" <iain-pm@dellah.org>
To: canberra-pm@mail.pm.org
Subject: Re: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Canberra-pm digest, Vol 1 #7
- 10 msgs

* caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au [28 Oct 2002 17:01]:
> canberra.pm.org crashing nutscrape 4.79
> anybody else experiencing problems?

Hmm. That's probably the SVG stuff. Then again, many things
crash 4.79 =)

Did anyone end up volunteering to make a less content-free page?


cheers,
--
Iain.

--__--__--

Message: 4
From: "Jeremy"<jepri@webone.com.au>
Reply-to: jepri@webone.com.au
To: caroline.scerri@defence.gov.au, canberra-pm@mail.pm.org
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:14:45 +1000
Subject: Re: [Canberra-pm] SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Canberra-pm digest, Vol 1 #7
- 10 msgs

>
>allo,
>
>canberra.pm.org crashing nutscrape 4.79
>anybody else experiencing problems?


If netscrape is having trouble, it's all the more reason to get a new page
up.
 I don't have any particular fondness for the current page.

If it's any consolation, you aren't missing anything.  Just a link to the
mailing
list sign-up page.


--__--__--

Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:26:33 +1100
From: "Iain 'Spoon' Truskett" <iain-pm@dellah.org>
To: canberra-pm@mail.pm.org
Subject: Re: [Canberra-pm] Webpage

* Alex Satrapa (grail@goldweb.com.au) [28 Oct 2002 00:33]:

[...]
> Just an idea - if people like it, I'll turn the syntax highlighting
> into a stylesheet, like all good web developers should do ;)

Looks nice (using lynx -dump in mutt).

Minor comments:

>                              Canberra Perl Mongers

>    require [1]CPAN;
>    require [2]Apache::Perl;

Go on: use a real module name, like 'mod_perl' (which does actually
exist in mod_perl 1.99). Not too sure about the CPAN link, but, hey,
it's you that's doing it. Ask 2 people about a web page they'll complain
about everything.

>    use [3]Perl::Mongers::Site;
>    [4]mailing_list;
>    sub mailing_list
>    {
>        print <<HERE;
>            [5]Subscribe to the Canberra.pm mailing list.
>            Alternately, check out the [6]archives.
>    HERE
>    }

Add some bits for meetings, just to encourage us to actually hold one.

Yada, yada. I like it. Did you use the vim 2html script, do it manually,
or use some other funky gadget?


cheers,
--
Iain.


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