From judith_dohmann at mac.com Mon Aug 2 13:35:01 2004 From: judith_dohmann at mac.com (Judith Maria Nefertari Dohmann) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:24:23 2004 Subject: [Bielefeld-pm] Book Review Perl Debugger Pocket Reference Message-ID: (An english version of the review can be found at the end) Hallo! Endlich habe ich den review fertig und kann jetzt hoffentlich ruhig in den Urlaub fahren. Mit "CC" geht er dann auch an die richtige Stelle bei O'Reilly. Da ich keine gute Stelle auf der bielefeld.pm.org-Seite für den Review fand, gibt es ihn erstmal nur per email, ihr könnt ihn aber einfügen, wenn ihr einen guten Platz findet. Viele Grüße, Judith Review zu "Perl Debugger Pocket Reference" Autor: Richard Foley Verlag: O'Reilly Preis: 9.95 US, $14.95 CA, £6.95 UK ISBN: ISBN: 0-596-00503-2 Seite des Buches bei O'Reilly: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perldebugpr/index.html Review von Judith Dohmann, Bielefeld.pm In diesem kleinen Büchlein findet sich ausser der Referenz zum Perldebugger ein sehr schönes Tutorial für den Debugger und, was sehr nützlich ist, das Kapitel "Before You Debug". Dieses gibt einige gute Tipps um die Fehler zu finden, ohne überhaupt den Debugger benutzen zu müssen. Gut gefallen hat mir die Liste der nützlichen Module, der Humor (selber finden ;-) ) und natürlich das Tutorial. Nicht so gut fand ich die Reihenfolge im Referenzteil: "|" wird erst in einem relativ späten Abschnitt erklärt, es wird zwar vorher auf diesen Abschnitt verwiesen, aber dann erklärt der auch noch .perldb zu erst. Verweise mit Seitennummern und nicht nur auf andere Abschnitte, die man dann erst finden muss wären auch sehr schön gewesen. Weiterhin vermisste ich das Kolophon, so habe ich leider nichts über den Vogel auf dem Titel gelernt. :-( Insgesamt ist das ein schönes kleines Büchlein, dass mich motiviert hat, mir den Perl Debugger näher anzusehen. --------------------------------------------------- (Rough) Translation (of the text of the review) to english: --------------------------------------------------- This small book contains a reference of the debugger and besides this also a very nice tutorial for learning to use the debugger and the very useful chapter "Before You Debug". There are some good tips to find errors before having to use the debugger. I liked the list of useful modules, the humor (you have to find it yourself) and, of course, the tutorial. I did not like the order of the topics in the reference part: "|" is explained quite late in this section but its use appears earlier; there are reference to its description but the first thing in this section is the explanation of .perldb. If the references to other sections had also page numbers it would have been simpler. I also missed the colophon, so I could not learn about the bird on the cover. :-( Altogether it is a nice book which motivated me to have a closer look at the Perl debugger. 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Written by the developers who created and currently maintain Blender, "The Official Blender 2.3 Guide" covers methods of designing models, defining materials, and simulating light; rendering 3D scenes; creating 3D animations; as well as advanced topics such as using Blender as a video editor. Includes a 4-color insert and CD-ROM. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1593270410/index.html ***Mono: A Developer's Notebook Publisher: O'Reilly ISBN: 0596007922 This no-fluff, lab-style guide jumps right into Mono 1.0 as you work through nearly 50 mini-projects that introduce you to the most important and compelling aspects of the 1.0 release. You'll learn how to acquire, install, and run Mono on Linux, Windows, or Mac OS X. You'll work with the various Mono components: Gtk#; the CLR; the class libraries (.NET and Mono); and much more. 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Jono Bacon explores free software to help save your tender wrists. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2004/08/19/rsi_prevention.html ***A Day in the Life of #Apache Rich Bowen is back this month after a brief summer hiatus with his latest column based on his conversations on the IRC channel #apache. Want to know how to make your web site faster? Rich has some tips to enhance your server's performance. Rich is a coauthor of O'Reilly's "Apache Cookbook." http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2004/08/19/apacheckbk.html ***PHP Debugging Basics Whether you're a PHP newbie or a wizard, your programs are going to have bugs in them. Nobody's perfect. David Sklar, author of "Learning PHP 5," provides some basic techniques for finding and fixing the problems in your programs. In particular, he covers how to set up error reporting as you like it, how to find parse errors, and how to inspect program data. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2004/08/12/DebuggingPHP.html --------------------- Mac --------------------- ***What's on Your Macdar? O'Reilly Editor Chuck Toporek asks in his latest weblog "What would you like to see us publish a book on? Is there something we might have missed in one of the Panther editions that you'd like to see us work into an update?" http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5453 ***The Inside Scoop on the O'Reilly Mac OS X Conference Sometimes, looking at a conference program grid is like looking at Edinburgh Castle. 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In this sample lab from the book, learn how to perform a web query to import data from a web page into a worksheet using Excel's QueryTable object. http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/excerpt/excel2003prog_chap1/index.html ***Personalization in ASP.NET Personalizing your web site can enhance the experiences of users visiting your site. Personalization allows information about visitors to be persisted so that the information can be useful to the visitor when he visits your site again. Wei-Meng Lee shows you how it all works in ASP.NET 2.0. http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2004/08/16/whidbey_personalization.html ***Windows Server Hacks: Using Preconfigured User Profiles Roaming profiles make life easier for both users and system administrators. Mitch Tulloch, author of "Windows Server Hacks," shows you how to preconfigure roaming profiles to make them even more effective. http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/08/17/roaming_profiles.html --------------------- Java --------------------- **Develop Your Own Plugins for Eclipse, Part 1 Part of the appeal of the Eclipse platform is its extensibility--in Eclipse, almost everything is a plugin, and it's easy to get plugins from third parties or write your own. Jerome Moliere shows how to get started with deploying Eclipse plugins. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/08/18/eclipseplugins.html ***An Introduction to IKVM Java and .NET are two different worlds, but they can live within one process with IKVM. This "JVM for .NET" allows .NET (or Mono) to leverage Java code, and vice versa. Avik Sengupta provides an introduction to this important new environment. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/08/18/ikvm.html Don't forget to check out the O'Reilly UG wiki to see what user groups across the globe are up to: http://wiki.oreillynet.com/usergroups/lpt?HomePage Until next time-- Marsee From sri at oook.de Mon Aug 30 13:27:01 2004 From: sri at oook.de (Sebastian Riedel) Date: Mon Aug 30 13:27:13 2004 Subject: [Bielefeld-pm] Morgen ist es wieder soweit Message-ID: <41337175.6080807@oook.de> Hi, Wollte nur nochmal dran erinnern! Diesmal werde ich vorsorglich nicht sagen das ich da sein werde, mal sehen ob es hilft. ;) Cheers, Sebastian From judith_dohmann at mac.com Mon Aug 30 14:21:19 2004 From: judith_dohmann at mac.com (Judith Maria Nefertari Dohmann) Date: Mon Aug 30 14:22:00 2004 Subject: [Bielefeld-pm] Morgen ist es wieder soweit In-Reply-To: <41337175.6080807@oook.de> References: <41337175.6080807@oook.de> Message-ID: Am 30.08.2004 um 20:27 schrieb Sebastian Riedel: > Hi, > > Wollte nur nochmal dran erinnern! > Diesmal werde ich vorsorglich nicht sagen das ich da sein werde, mal > sehen ob es hilft. ;) > > Cheers, > Sebastian Ich drücke dir dann mal die Daumen, dass es klappt. Ich komme morgen auf alle Fälle. Viele Grüße, Judith From c.duehl at gmx.de Tue Aug 31 03:44:18 2004 From: c.duehl at gmx.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Christian_D=FChl=22?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 03:44:21 2004 Subject: [Bielefeld-pm] Morgen ist es wieder soweit Message-ID: <2818.1093941858@www40.gmx.net> Hallo, > Wollte nur nochmal dran erinnern! Das ist gut, ich erinner auch nochmal dran :-) > Diesmal werde ich vorsorglich nicht sagen das ich da sein werde, mal > sehen ob es hilft. ;) ^^ Möge es helfen. Ich selbst weiß noch nicht genau ob ich kommen kann, ev. komme ich auch später dazu. Gruß Christian.