From andrew at rivendale.net Wed Jun 5 17:41:51 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:43 2004 Subject: Apocalypse 5 Message-ID: <20020605224151.GA18537@rivendale.net> I suppose most of you are aware that Apocylpse 5 is now available. But, for those you who weren't here's the link http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/06/04/apo5.html This one's about regular expressions. Enjoy. andrew -- Capricorn: (Dec. 22 - Jan. 19) You will soon find yourself entangled in a messy accident with a knife thrower, although drunk driving, not knife throwing, is actually the real issue. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From andrew at rivendale.net Wed Jun 5 18:26:45 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:43 2004 Subject: I'm a barbie grill, in a barbie world ... Message-ID: <20020605232645.GB18582@rivendale.net> Haven't heard any more about the alleged barbeque[-1], which is supposed to be happening this Monday night. Is anyone except Steve and me[0] interested? Come on people look lively. Post declaring your undying love of all things barbequed. And yes, You *shall* go to the ball! Seriously though, we need numbers for this or we can't buy stuff to cook. So, get your apethetic arses in gear and tell us that you intend to go, or there'll be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth[1]. andrew [-1] Bar-Be-Que, whatever. [0] I know this is right, but years of brainwashing makes me feel queasy and think it should be Steve and I. [1] I believe Dante forgot to tell us which level of hell is reserved for those who don't declare pre-interest and then turn up at the Bar-Be-Que. -- Capricorn: (Dec. 22 - Jan. 19) You will soon find yourself entangled in a messy accident with a knife thrower, although drunk driving, not knife throwing, is actually the real issue. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From andrew at rivendale.net Wed Jun 5 19:11:24 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:43 2004 Subject: Bar-Be-Queing Lurkers Message-ID: <20020606001124.GD18582@rivendale.net> I've just been asked if the Barbeque is only open to "regulars" or if lurkers will be welcomed. Since I set the reply-to and the message only came to me, I'm assuming that was intended. However, since one person has asked, others may be wondering. So, I'm also bouncing most of my reply to the list. We're a fairly open and hopefully welcoming society. As far a I'm concerned, if you're subscribed to the list, you're a member of Belfast.pm. You will be welcome at the Barbeque, as will any other lurkers. In fact I'm sure all of the regulars will be delighted to see you. You just have to let us know you're coming :-) It will of course cost you the standard amount, whatever that is. I'm sure Karen will sort out exactly how much that is for us, being much more organised than most of us. On that subject, Karen asked how much people want to spend on this, but no-one (including me) answered her question. Anyone care to suggest a suitable figure? cheers andrew -- Gemini: (May 21--June 21) You will receive a mass-mailed document from God informing you that, despite earlier third-party claims to the contrary, He does indeed make junk. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From joe at benburb.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 6 00:22:56 2002 From: joe at benburb.demon.co.uk (joe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:43 2004 Subject: I'm a barbie grill, in a barbie world ... References: <20020605232645.GB18582@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <3CFEF1B0.7079556@benburb.demon.co.uk> Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Come on people look lively. Post declaring your undying love of all > things barbequed. And yes, You *shall* go to the ball! Yes. I'll be there. But I know neither the time nor place, nor what I should bring in the form of food/drink. -- Joe Mc Cool ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research BT71 7LN (www.tangent-research.com) voice:(44)2837-548074fax:(44)-870-0520185 The more you say the less the better. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Jun 6 04:10:16 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: I'm a barbie grill, in a barbie world ... In-Reply-To: <20020605232645.GB18582@rivendale.net> References: <20020605232645.GB18582@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020606101016.A20228@futureless.org> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:26:45AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > Haven't heard any more about the alleged barbeque[-1], which is supposed to > be happening this Monday night. Is anyone except Steve and me[0] > interested? I want to go, assuming it's in the evening [0] :) > Come on people look lively. Post declaring your undying love of all > things barbequed. And yes, You *shall* go to the ball! Is it still BYOBAV [1]? > Seriously though, we need numbers for this or we can't buy stuff to > cook. So, get your apethetic arses in gear and tell us that you intend > to go, or there'll be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth[1]. Did people reply to this on BLUG? > [-1] Bar-Be-Que, whatever. BBQ? > [0] I know this is right, but years of brainwashing makes me feel queasy > and think it should be Steve and I. Who brainwashed you incorrectly? How to check is to drop the "Steve and" (or whoever it might be) and make sure that parses... I just noticed the topic. *groan* [0] Might interrupt my World Cup watching... Great game yesterday, by the way. Ireland should have beat them... [2] [1] Bring your own bottle and veggies [2] World Cup is always on topic :^) -- Russell Matbouli | I'll remove the cause russell@futureless.org | but not the symptoms PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020606/4140c06a/attachment.bin From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Thu Jun 6 05:24:48 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Bar-Be-Queing Lurkers In-Reply-To: <20020606001124.GD18582@rivendale.net>; from andrew@rivendale.net on Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 01:11:24AM +0100 References: <20020606001124.GD18582@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020606112448.A13411@blackstar.co.uk> On (06/06/02 01:11), Andrew wrote: > You will be welcome at the Barbeque, as will any other lurkers. In fact > I'm sure all of the regulars will be delighted to see you. You just > have to let us know you're coming :-) It will of course cost you the > standard amount, whatever that is. I'm sure Karen will sort out exactly > how much that is for us, being much more organised than most of us. > > On that subject, Karen asked how much people want to spend on this, but > no-one (including me) answered her question. Anyone care to suggest a > suitable figure? Hi I won't be coming along because I won't be here on Monday - sorry. Regarding costs, 5 pounds and that's my final offer. Four. :-) A fiver each sounds fine to me. If enough people go you can bank the excess money in a Belfast.pm kitty. If it isn't enough then increase that figure accordingly. Of course this is all very easy for me to say, I won't be there! Enjoy yourselves! And don't panic, Marty has a fire warden's certificate! Thanks Duggie From ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk Thu Jun 6 15:27:35 2002 From: ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: I'm a barbie grill, in a barbie world ... In-Reply-To: <20020605232645.GB18582@rivendale.net>; from andrew@rivendale.net on Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:26:45AM +0100 References: <20020605232645.GB18582@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020606212735.C6593@hornet.am.qub.ac.uk> I would go, provided I can come after 7... -- | Andrew Gallagher | web.andrewg.com | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland | From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Jun 7 04:08:45 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: YAPC::Europe Message-ID: <20020607100845.B27870@futureless.org> Am I too late to get accommodation for this? Where are the rest of you staying? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020607/79b1ad48/attachment.bin From swm at swmcc.com Fri Jun 7 09:05:53 2002 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Monday Message-ID: <20020607150553.A30652@gandalf.swmcc.com> Hi, Okay folks what is happening for Monday regarding the BBQ? Cheers, -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com Stu: Its a tough life but somebodys got to perv! From karen at martian.org Fri Jun 7 10:07:06 2002 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Monday In-Reply-To: <20020607150553.A30652@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20020607150553.A30652@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20020607150706.GA31110@soto.kasei.com> On Fri Jun 7 15:05:53 2002, Stephen McCullough wrote: > Hi, > > Okay folks what is happening for Monday regarding the BBQ? The BBQ will start at 7.30pm at Tony's house. I don't want to post Tony's address onto the list - so could all those who are going and don't know where he lives send me an email and I'll send you directions. Duggie suggested that everyone brings a fiver for the food - that sounds like a good idea. According to the emails that have been sent there are eleven people going: Tony Marc Andrew Wilson Marty Steve Stephen Karen Joe Patrick Andrew Gallagher Russell I need to know if anyone else is planning on going as I will probably get the food at the weekend. I won't be buying any alcohol - only food and soft drinks :) Russell - what do vegetarians eat at BBQs? There will be salad, cheese, kebabs (on skewers with onions, mushrooms, green and red peppers) and I suppose we could also do BBqed potatoes. Karen From karen at martian.org Fri Jun 7 10:07:06 2002 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Monday In-Reply-To: <20020607150553.A30652@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20020607150553.A30652@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20020607150706.GA31110@soto.kasei.com> On Fri Jun 7 15:05:53 2002, Stephen McCullough wrote: > Hi, > > Okay folks what is happening for Monday regarding the BBQ? The BBQ will start at 7.30pm at Tony's house. I don't want to post Tony's address onto the list - so could all those who are going and don't know where he lives send me an email and I'll send you directions. Duggie suggested that everyone brings a fiver for the food - that sounds like a good idea. According to the emails that have been sent there are eleven people going: Tony Marc Andrew Wilson Marty Steve Stephen Karen Joe Patrick Andrew Gallagher Russell I need to know if anyone else is planning on going as I will probably get the food at the weekend. I won't be buying any alcohol - only food and soft drinks :) Russell - what do vegetarians eat at BBQs? There will be salad, cheese, kebabs (on skewers with onions, mushrooms, green and red peppers) and I suppose we could also do BBqed potatoes. Karen From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Jun 7 11:27:53 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: A new module. woohoo. Message-ID: <20020607172753.H26509@tux.blackstar.co.uk> OK, so I had a three line experimental script, which I added tons of docs to and added a needless OO interface. Everyone gets their kicks in their own way, amigo... Anyway, it hasn't quite reached CPAN (it will I would have thought in the next hour or two) so if you are really impatient you can nab it from http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk/Mail-Summary-0.01.tar.gz Guess what it does from the dist name. Look, it was a piece of fun, which might be extended if I ever could be bothered. Oh, and it uses warnings, so if you haven't upgraded to 5.6 yet, here is another excuse to put it off. m. -- What the hammer? what the chain? In what furnace was thy brain? What the anvil? what dread grasp Dare its deadly terrors clasp? -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From paul.dundas at btinternet.com Fri Jun 7 20:02:50 2002 From: paul.dundas at btinternet.com (Paul Dundas) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Monday References: <20020607150553.A30652@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020607150706.GA31110@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <3D0157BA.9040602@btinternet.com> me too If anyone needs a lift.... Paul Karen Pauley wrote: >On Fri Jun 7 15:05:53 2002, Stephen McCullough wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>Okay folks what is happening for Monday regarding the BBQ? >> >> > >The BBQ will start at 7.30pm at Tony's house. I don't want to post >Tony's address onto the list - so could all those who are going and >don't know where he lives send me an email and I'll send you directions. > >Duggie suggested that everyone brings a fiver for the food - that sounds >like a good idea. According to the emails that have been sent there are >eleven people going: > > > -- Paul D ( paul.dundas@btinternet.com) "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff? From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sun Jun 9 10:09:50 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: BBQ.....d'oh! Message-ID: <20020609160950.A4559@tux.blackstar.co.uk> OK peeps. So it has just struck me now. I am getting the bus/train combo into Belfast tomorrow. Which means the trailing of an actual physical BBQ device/machine thing isn't really practical. As I hadn't counted on not having the car, y'see. So, stumped I am. Strong with the Dark Side I fear. (And I was even going to bring the gas one, for quick-fire munching antics. Suggestions on a postcard, finishing the phrase 'Why Marc is such an idiot...' in less than 200 words, or one sheet of A4 paper, if you use a crayon. Did I make myself clear there? Oh, I can still bring the charcoal, as it will fit into my rucksack. I think. m. -- No, YOU shut up -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From tony at kasei.com Mon Jun 10 04:10:10 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: BBQ.....d'oh! In-Reply-To: <20020609160950.A4559@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020609160950.A4559@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020610091010.GA13161@soto.kasei.com> On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 04:09:50PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > Suggestions on a postcard, finishing the phrase 'Why Marc is such an > idiot...' in less than 200 words, or one sheet of A4 paper, if you use a > crayon. I fear we would need a much more expressive language than English to fit an answer of any sufficiency into less that 200 words... Anyway, unless this rain is very quickly replaced by scorching sunshine I think the barbeque is probably a non-runner. The grass was already pretty damp from yesterday's rain and I doubt most people remembered to pack their wellies. And the pool is b0rken :( Roast? Tony From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Jun 10 04:28:54 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: BBQ.....d'oh! In-Reply-To: <20020610091010.GA13161@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020609160950.A4559@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020610091010.GA13161@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020610102854.A13861@futureless.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:10:10AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > Roast? Sounds fine to me. Anyone going for food beforehand? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Daylight bores the sunshine out of me PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020610/9dd529c7/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Jun 10 04:42:16 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: BBQ.....d'oh! In-Reply-To: <20020610102854.A13861@futureless.org>; from Russell Matbouli on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:28:54AM +0100 References: <20020609160950.A4559@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020610091010.GA13161@soto.kasei.com> <20020610102854.A13861@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020610104216.B8702@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:28:54AM +0100, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:10:10AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > > Roast? > > Sounds fine to me. Anyone going for food beforehand? me too. And yes. In that order. m. -- Matthew: Daddy, here are two guns.... Me: uh-huh... Matthew: ...for that man in the ballet dress. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From joe at benburb.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 10 05:24:25 2002 From: joe at benburb.demon.co.uk (joe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: BBQ.....d'oh! References: <20020609160950.A4559@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020610091010.GA13161@soto.kasei.com> <20020610102854.A13861@futureless.org> <20020610104216.B8702@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D047E59.A0762BEE@benburb.demon.co.uk> Stray Toaster wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:28:54AM +0100, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:10:10AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > > > Roast? > > > > Sounds fine to me. Anyone going for food beforehand? > > me too. And yes. In that order. At some stage during the day, could we have a clear message on exactly what's happening ? Ye Gods ! I've forgotten where Roasts is already ? Lisburn Rd ? -- Joe Mc Cool ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research BT71 7LN (www.tangent-research.com) voice:(44)2837-548074fax:(44)-870-0520185 The more you say the less the better. From scott at kungfuftr.com Mon Jun 10 06:33:50 2002 From: scott at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: crypting Message-ID: <20020610113350.GA1746@aslan.unite.net> hey all, I'm looking for the fastest and decently secure way of generating one way crypt for use with Apache::AuthCookie. Michael Schout recommends MD5 hex for this but i was just wanting a litle input... not that it matters in OO but for future reference it would be handy to know. ta! -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you're just generating sessions IDs (re: other night IRC), md5 would be fine. > ta! > -- > -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Mon Jun 10 08:17:07 2002 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: crypting In-Reply-To: <20020610113350.GA1746@aslan.unite.net> References: <20020610113350.GA1746@aslan.unite.net> Message-ID: <20020610131707.GJ11724@soto.kasei.com> On Mon Jun 10 12:33:50 2002, Scott McWhirter wrote: > I'm looking for the fastest and decently secure way of generating one > way crypt for use with Apache::AuthCookie. Michael Schout recommends MD5 > hex for this but i was just wanting a litle input... not that it matters > in OO but for future reference it would be handy to know. Before answering your question I will demonstrate my pedantry by stating that "one way crypt" is actually not encryption at all: it is "hashing". Using a popular hashing algorithm is best, so I would also recommend MD5; the only other serious contender would be SHA. I prefer encoding the hash in base64 rather than hex since the resulting string is shorter. What are you planning to use this for? -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 212 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020610/d89b84ef/attachment.bin From joe at benburb.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 10 10:12:02 2002 From: joe at benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: bbq Message-ID: <15620.49582.890000.686066@benburb.tangent.com> bbq ? what's happening ? Joe From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Jun 10 09:13:52 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: bbq In-Reply-To: <15620.49582.890000.686066@benburb.tangent.com>; from joe mc cool on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 03:12:02PM +0000 References: <15620.49582.890000.686066@benburb.tangent.com> Message-ID: <20020610151352.E12797@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 03:12:02PM +0000, joe mc cool wrote: > bbq ? > > what's happening ? Well, it seems like Roast at 7.30pm. All agreed? m. -- I'm like, one of those chocaholics. Except with booze. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From andrew at rivendale.net Mon Jun 10 09:15:50 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: bbq In-Reply-To: <15620.49582.890000.686066@benburb.tangent.com> References: <15620.49582.890000.686066@benburb.tangent.com> Message-ID: <20020610141550.GB16779@rivendale.net> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 03:12:02PM +0000, joe mc cool wrote: > bbq ? > > what's happening ? The bbq has been cancelled due to the inclement weather. However the social meeting is going ahead. Some of us are meeting for a bite to eat at 6.00pm in Ba Soba (a noodle bar near St. Annes's Cathedral). All are welcome to join us. Shout if you need directions. Then after Ba Soba we're heading to roasts for the 'meeting' proper. I would expect to be at roasts around 7:30 ish If I've got any of these details wrong can someone please post a correction. cheers andrew -- 'Yes, I've taken that porn title.' Stephen McCullough referring to 'The Fluffer', A gay porn title everyone else was avoiding. From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Mon Jun 10 12:28:11 2002 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: crypting In-Reply-To: <20020610140616.GA2097@aslan.unite.net> References: <20020610113350.GA1746@aslan.unite.net> <20020610131707.GJ11724@soto.kasei.com> <20020610140616.GA2097@aslan.unite.net> Message-ID: <20020610172811.GM11724@soto.kasei.com> On Mon Jun 10 15:06:16 2002, Scott McWhirter wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 02:17:07PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote: > > What are you planning to use this for? > AuthCookies $session_key. > $string = $id . ':' md5hex(join ':',$id,$secret,$expiry); > where is is their user id, secret is a secret phrase and expiry is a > server-side expiry datetime. > > That sounds acceptable to me, but please please DO prove me wrong. How do you check if the session key is still valid? For example, if $id=1 and $secret="foo", is $string="1:ddc5ddfe6f67d74c761dcd6e107ca6aa" a valid session id? How do you extract the expiry time from $string? I think you need encryption, not hashing. use Crypt::Simple; I wrote it to use with cookies. Have fun! -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 212 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020610/afb8c2c5/attachment.bin From apopovici at keysys.ro Tue Jun 11 07:19:35 2002 From: apopovici at keysys.ro (ADRIAN POPOVICIU) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: H E L L O ! Message-ID: Dipl. eng. POPOVICIU ADRIAN R O M A N I A June 11, 2002 Dear Sir, I learn recently about you from Internet network. My name is POPOVICIU ADRIAN. I graduated engineering at the electronic and electrotechnic faculty, speciality radioelectronics, in Europe (Bucharest). I have more 10 years work experience like tehnical support for instrumentation, computers, office devices and general electronic & electrical equipments. I looking to get a new job. You will find my CV (with photo and other abilities)at the address: http://a.popoviciu.tripod.com/index.html If you have a job opportunity please send an email at my address: apopovici@keysys.ro I can submit (if it is necessary) very good recommendations. With best greetings Yours sincerely Adrian Popoviciu From steve-belfast-pm at narnian.org Tue Jun 11 08:04:43 2002 From: steve-belfast-pm at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: H E L L O ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020611130443.GA4775@aslan.unite.net> On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 03:19:35PM +0300, ADRIAN POPOVICIU wrote: > > I looking to get a new job. You will find my CV (with photo > and other abilities)at the address: > http://a.popoviciu.tripod.com/index.html I particularly like the bit: "Family status: married; a boy." Oh dear, I'm so easily amused :) -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From swm at swmcc.com Tue Jun 11 07:27:39 2002 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: H E L L O ! In-Reply-To: <20020611130443.GA4775@aslan.unite.net>; from steve-belfast-pm@narnian.org on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:04:43PM +0100 References: <20020611130443.GA4775@aslan.unite.net> Message-ID: <20020611132739.A950@gandalf.swmcc.com> On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:04:43PM +0100, Steve Foy wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 03:19:35PM +0300, ADRIAN POPOVICIU wrote: > > > > I looking to get a new job. You will find my CV (with photo > > and other abilities)at the address: > > http://a.popoviciu.tripod.com/index.html > > I particularly like the bit: "Family status: married; a boy." > > Oh dear, I'm so easily amused :) Duggie & I were laughing about that as well, however we can't laugh too much as I can't speak any Russian, or whatever they speak where he lives. However there is no excuse for the animated gifs.. no excuse at all. -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com "We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur." - Governor George W. Bush From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Tue Jun 11 08:05:50 2002 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: crypting In-Reply-To: <20020611074230.GA4242@aslan.unite.net> References: <20020610113350.GA1746@aslan.unite.net> <20020610131707.GJ11724@soto.kasei.com> <20020610140616.GA2097@aslan.unite.net> <20020610172811.GM11724@soto.kasei.com> <20020611074230.GA4242@aslan.unite.net> Message-ID: <20020611130550.GA18474@soto.kasei.com> On Tue Jun 11 08:42:30 2002, Scott McWhirter wrote: > The expirytime is stored serverside in the usertable. So when it does > authen_cred() it will insert an expiry time into the usertable then > during authen_ses_key() it will get the expiry from the user table from > the id matching the plaintext number. It then hashes the > idnumber:secretphrase:expiry together and compares to check for > tainting. That will work. 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I _don't_ think it should be too much of a problem seeing as the data is taken from a Class::DBI object. But if you think that this still isn't the best then i'll switch to Crypt::Simple. Also, is there anyway of using mod_perl and Class::DBI to make a persitent connection to the database? -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Class::DBI is a subclass of Ima::DBI, which stores its database handles as class data. So unless you mean something really specific you probably don't need to do anything... Tony From scott at kungfuftr.com Tue Jun 11 13:12:44 2002 From: scott at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: AuthCookie Error Message-ID: <20020611181244.GA14106@aslan.unite.net> hey all, I checked the manuals and checked google but found no explaination for this phenomenon. The errors i get are: [Tue Jun 11 18:38:45 2002] [error] Undefined subroutine &Scott::Serve->recognize_user::handler called. [Tue Jun 11 18:38:45 2002] [error] Undefined subroutine &Scott::Serve->login::handler called. Scott::Serve is just a modules that subclasses Apache::Registry and has something alongs the line of: sub login { &Scott::Session::Auth::login(@_); } sub recognize_user { &Scott::Session::Auth::recognize_user(@_); } to cope with the AuthCookie elements of it. I have NO idea why it's putting the ::handler at the end. The config seems to be right. The only other possible explanation seems to be that the mod_perl doesn't seem to be using MethodHandlers correctly. Any help you can give would be great. Thanks, -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have Apache::DBI installed and loaded normally it should Just Work. -- This sig file temporarily out of order. From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Wed Jun 12 04:44:05 2002 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: AuthCookie Error In-Reply-To: <20020611181244.GA14106@aslan.unite.net> References: <20020611181244.GA14106@aslan.unite.net> Message-ID: <20020612094405.GD26204@soto.kasei.com> On Tue Jun 11 19:12:44 2002, Scott McWhirter wrote: > I checked the manuals and checked google but found no explaination for > this phenomenon. What were you searching for? > The errors i get are: > [Tue Jun 11 18:38:45 2002] [error] Undefined subroutine > &Scott::Serve->recognize_user::handler called. > [Tue Jun 11 18:38:45 2002] [error] Undefined subroutine > &Scott::Serve->login::handler called. Well, that's fairly simple: you haven't defined subroutines called "Scott::Serve->recognize_user::handler" or "Scott::Serve->login::handler" :-) > Scott::Serve is just a modules that subclasses Apache::Registry and has Why did you decide to subclass Apache::Registry? > something alongs the line of: > sub login { &Scott::Session::Auth::login(@_); } > sub recognize_user { &Scott::Session::Auth::recognize_user(@_); } So why not call the Scott::Session::Auth methods directly instead of needlessly going through Scott::Serve? If you have read and followed the Apache::AuthCookie docs and have made Scott::Session::Auth a subclass of Apache::AuthCookie as described in the docs, then calling the Scott::Session::Auth methods directly will solve your problem. > to cope with the AuthCookie elements of it. I have NO idea why it's > putting the ::handler at the end. The config seems to be right. I know why the ::handler is at the end because I have read man mod_perl. You should have included your config in your email, but I believe that it is correct since I know where the problem actually is. > The only other possible explanation seems to be that the mod_perl > doesn't seem to be using MethodHandlers correctly. That's not the only other possible explanation, although it is usually the explanation you give when things go wrong. Since thousands of other people are using Apache mod_perl like this, I would suggest that the most likely explanation is that you have made a mistake somewhere else! > Any help you can give would be great. OK. You haven't read man mod_perl_method_handlers. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, the bit you missed is in the first paragraph of the synopsis: "If a Perl*Handler is prototyped with '$$', this handler will be invoked as a method" so if you get a similar error in future, check your prototypes. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 212 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020612/d3b29ad5/attachment.bin From swm at swmcc.com Thu Jun 13 03:52:49 2002 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Conway Message-ID: <20020613095249.A2812@gandalf.swmcc.com> Hi, I see from the conway channel that Damian is coming over here in August, is this true? I see that the events have "To Be Announced" on them. Does this mean that the actual date has to be confirmed or the actual event taking place? Thanks, -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com Duggie: Without a shadow of a doubt, getting called "The Next Marc Kerr" is worse than being called a waster. (Duggie remarks on Steve calling SWM the new MWK, cos he broke his mac). From andrew at rivendale.net Thu Jun 13 04:36:45 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Conway In-Reply-To: <20020613095249.A2812@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20020613095249.A2812@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20020613093645.GB23031@rivendale.net> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:52:49AM +0100, Stephen McCullough wrote: > Hi, > > I see from the conway channel that Damian is coming over here in August, is this > true? I see that the events have "To Be Announced" on them. Does this mean that > the actual date has to be confirmed or the actual event taking place? AFAIK it's the specific events, not the visit that needs to be confirmed. I'm fairly sure Karen has mentioned this before at some point. I also think my blog mentions it Rummage, rummage, ah yes here it is: http://www.rivendale.net/blog/2002_04_07_blog_index.html#75181293 andrew -- Cancer: (June 22 - July 22) This week, you'll be living proof that one man can make a difference?at least to the owners of Lucky Lucy's All-U-Can-Eat Buffet. From karen at kasei.com Thu Jun 13 04:46:33 2002 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Conway In-Reply-To: <20020613095249.A2812@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20020613095249.A2812@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20020613094633.GA22930@soto.kasei.com> Hello, On Thu Jun 13 09:52:49 2002, Stephen McCullough wrote: > Hi, > > I see from the conway channel that Damian is coming over here in > August, is this true? I see that the events have "To Be Announced" on > them. Does this mean that the actual date has to be confirmed or the > actual event taking place? Damian is coming in August/September. The dates have been confirmed. The events haven't. I'm currently in the process of organising commercial training courses for Damian to give whilst he is here. If anyone is interested please let me know. Damian is planning on giving two talks to Belfast.pm - his Quantum::Superpositions talk and a Perl 6 Q&A. When I have a venue organised and exact dates I'll post to the list. I can tell you that they will be sometime during the week beginning Tues 2nd September. Karen From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Thu Jun 13 05:26:09 2002 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Conway In-Reply-To: <20020613094633.GA22930@soto.kasei.com>; from karen@kasei.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:46:33AM +0100 References: <20020613095249.A2812@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020613094633.GA22930@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020613112608.O41423@dansat.data-plan.com> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:46:33AM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu Jun 13 09:52:49 2002, Stephen McCullough wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I see from the conway channel that Damian is coming over here in > > August, is this true? I see that the events have "To Be Announced" on > > them. Does this mean that the actual date has to be confirmed or the > > actual event taking place? > > Damian is coming in August/September. The dates have been confirmed. > The events haven't. I'm currently in the process of organising > commercial training courses for Damian to give whilst he is here. If > anyone is interested please let me know. Damian is planning on giving > two talks to Belfast.pm - his Quantum::Superpositions talk and a > Perl 6 Q&A. When I have a venue organised and exact dates I'll post to > the list. I can tell you that they will be sometime during the week > beginning Tues 2nd September. Argh. I'll be away till the 8th. I was planning to offer to do my Advanced DBI tutorial[1]. Oh well, some other time... Tim. [1] I'm doing a cut-down version for Manchester.pm next week: http://pm.bi.umist.ac.uk/activities.html#DBI From andrew at rivendale.net Tue Jun 25 06:40:48 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Is there a meeting next month? Message-ID: <20020625114048.GB26809@rivendale.net> Hi peeps Are we having a meeting on the second Monday of July (8th)? Nobody said for definite either way. andrew -- There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jun 25 06:47:11 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Is there a meeting next month? In-Reply-To: <20020625114048.GB26809@rivendale.net>; from Andrew on Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:40:48PM +0100 References: <20020625114048.GB26809@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020625124711.I19876@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:40:48PM +0100, Andrew wrote: > Hi peeps > > Are we having a meeting on the second Monday of July (8th)? Nobody said > for definite either way. I would be up for it. Would it be like a Summber Ball? With tuxes and long, velvety flowing dresses, with corsets and hankies and pianos and gazing longingly out of windows? Would it? Or, considering we had a social last month, can it be a techy one? On what subjects? Any buring issues we need resolved? Anyone fancy giving a talk? Someone beyond The Usual Suspects? Well? m. -- Cover me in chocolate and throw me to the lesbians -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From gouranga16 at freestart.hu Fri Jun 28 20:20:02 2002 From: gouranga16 at freestart.hu (gouranga16@freestart.hu) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:44 2004 Subject: Call Out Gouranga Be Happy Message-ID: <200206282200.g5SM06014370@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020628/a83fe418/attachment.htm