From tony at kasei.com Fri Feb 1 06:20:42 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: dan's call Message-ID: <20020201122042.GA32718@soto.kasei.com> In case anyone's planning on contacting him, I already have. If you don't know what this is about, then use perl. Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Feb 1 06:30:45 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: dan's call In-Reply-To: <20020201122042.GA32718@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:20:42PM +0000 References: <20020201122042.GA32718@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020201123045.X26108@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:20:42PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > In case anyone's planning on contacting him, I already have. > > If you don't know what this is about, then use perl. Well, I was going to, but sorta got delayed by people laying flowers on graves, and when I got there you had vanished in a diesel haze, so I walked around and spent ten pounds on amusement arcades. Did you give the list details or your personal details? (wahey.) m. -- No, YOU shut up From andrew-dated-1013021240.ffaa93 at rivendale.net Fri Feb 1 12:47:18 2002 From: andrew-dated-1013021240.ffaa93 at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: <20020131154413.A16679@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> References: <009c01c1aa57$7d848cc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131135324.GA21952@soto.kasei.com> <20020131143637.GA22555@soto.kasei.com> <20020131154413.A16679@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020201184718.GA1919@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:44:13PM +0000, Steve Foy wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 01:53:24PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > Yes, I think it's slow. I've complained about it in the past. I think > > > we would be much better with a local server running the list. > > > > Any volunteers? > > I would run it, although I don't have any credibility so I doubt anyone > would want me to :) No, let Russell do it. cheers Andrew From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Feb 1 13:11:41 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: <20020201184718.GA1919@gandalf.rivendale.net> References: <009c01c1aa57$7d848cc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131135324.GA21952@soto.kasei.com> <20020131143637.GA22555@soto.kasei.com> <20020131154413.A16679@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020201184718.GA1919@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020201191141.D4813@futureless.org> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 06:47:18PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > No, let Russell do it. Should I do it? I hope I haven't exceeded my quota[0]... Apologies! [0] Never speak of the quota again! [1] [1] Sorry non-BLUGers... -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Get a communications degree and we'll talk PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020201/96074fc0/attachment.bin From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Feb 1 13:51:09 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New Perl magazine Message-ID: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> You can find it at: http://www.perl.org/ThePerlReview Here are the articles: Extreme Publishing -- brian d foy Structured Classes in Perl -- Robby Walker So you want to be a perl hacker -- Simon Cozens Benchmarking Perl -- brian d foy I haven't read it yet, but it looks good. They're looking for contributors too, so get hacking! Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | You are as dazzling as a pregnant cow russell@futureless.org | attired in electrical sockets PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020201/d88eaa52/attachment.bin From tony at kasei.com Fri Feb 1 14:31:09 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020201203109.GA6628@soto.kasei.com> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:51:09PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > So you want to be a perl hacker -- Simon Cozens Straight off his web-site ... > Benchmarking Perl -- brian d foy >From an earlier Perl Journal... Looks like they badly need some new content ... So, who's writing what, then? Tony From andrew-dated-1013028044.6142a0 at rivendale.net Fri Feb 1 14:40:43 2002 From: andrew-dated-1013028044.6142a0 at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020201204043.GA8052@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:51:09PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > You can find it at: > http://www.perl.org/ThePerlReview This brings me nicely to another point. Can anyone reccommend a good PDF viewer for linux all the ones I have installed are pish. thanks Andrew From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Feb 1 14:30:44 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020201204043.GA8052@gandalf.rivendale.net> References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201204043.GA8052@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020201203044.K4813@futureless.org> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 08:40:43PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > This brings me nicely to another point. Can anyone reccommend a good > PDF viewer for linux all the ones I have installed are pish. I use xpdf, although you can get Adobe Acrobat too. I've not had to use xpdf much but it is functional, if rather frills free. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020201/37e09ea0/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Feb 1 15:17:08 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020201204043.GA8052@gandalf.rivendale.net>; from Andrew Wilson on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 08:40:43PM +0000 References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201204043.GA8052@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020201211708.B16865@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 08:40:43PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:51:09PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > You can find it at: > > http://www.perl.org/ThePerlReview > > This brings me nicely to another point. Can anyone reccommend a good > PDF viewer for linux all the ones I have installed are pish. > acroread does it for me. functional, fine. m. -- So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From tony at kasei.com Fri Feb 1 16:11:07 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:51:09PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > I haven't read it yet, but it looks good. They're looking for > contributors too, so get hacking! So, who's playing the golf then? Convert a base 36 [0-9A-Z] number to base 10 ... Tony From schwern at pobox.com Fri Feb 1 16:12:59 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020201204043.GA8052@gandalf.rivendale.net> References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201204043.GA8052@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020201221259.GM9474@blackrider> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 08:40:43PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:51:09PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > You can find it at: > > http://www.perl.org/ThePerlReview > > This brings me nicely to another point. Can anyone reccommend a good > PDF viewer for linux all the ones I have installed are pish. xpdf works. Get the "international" edition so you get the code to decrypt that silly editing lock they put in sometimes. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One Ooops, fatal mutation in the test script. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Feb 1 16:23:13 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 10:11:07PM +0000 References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020201222313.I16865@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 10:11:07PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:51:09PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > I haven't read it yet, but it looks good. They're looking for > > contributors too, so get hacking! > > So, who's playing the golf then? > > Convert a base 36 [0-9A-Z] number to base 10 ... > ok, i start in a mo...........we are all irc-ing atm.......... m. -- Thank you for expressing an interest in this sig From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sat Feb 2 03:35:28 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New golf was Re: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 10:11:07PM +0000 References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020202093527.C24967@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 10:11:07PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:51:09PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > I haven't read it yet, but it looks good. They're looking for > > contributors too, so get hacking! > > So, who's playing the golf then? > > Convert a base 36 [0-9A-Z] number to base 10 ... OK, my first try last night came out at 89. And I know that I shouldn't use 'shift', so a bit of work and it should be a bit more respectable looking. m. -- No, YOU shut up From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sat Feb 2 10:13:54 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New golf was Re: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020202093527.C24967@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from Stray Toaster on Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:35:28AM +0000 References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com> <20020202093527.C24967@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020202161354.B28911@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:35:28AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > > > Convert a base 36 [0-9A-Z] number to base 10 ... Noone else has put one up, so here is mine. Publish and be damned! Yes, I know I can cut it by a good bit, but I haven't looked at it since about midnight last night. m. sub a{ord$_<58?$_:(ord$_)-55} @l=reverse split'',shift; $n+=a($_)*36**$s++for@l; print$n I can hear the laughter from here.....but it does work. And I will try again after the footie... -- Thank you for expressing an interest in this sig From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sat Feb 2 10:16:11 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New golf was Re: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020202161354.B28911@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from Stray Toaster on Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 04:13:54PM +0000 References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com> <20020202093527.C24967@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020202161354.B28911@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020202161611.C28911@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 04:13:54PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > > Convert a base 36 [0-9A-Z] number to base 10 ... Assumption: all letters are uppercase. All it would take would be to add a uc to make sure, but the poser above says A-Z. So there. m. -- All generalisations are false. Including this one. From tony at kasei.com Sat Feb 2 11:13:59 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New golf was Re: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020202161354.B28911@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com> <20020202093527.C24967@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020202161354.B28911@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020202171359.GB11737@soto.kasei.com> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 04:13:54PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > sub a{ord$_<58?$_:(ord$_)-55} > @l=reverse split'',shift; > $n+=a($_)*36**$s++for@l; > print$n I took a similar approach at first... (although mine deals with many rather than one) -F// -pale '$_=0;$n=36**@F;for$d(@F){$d=$o-55if($o=ord$d)>64;$_+=($n/=36)*$d}' But I dont' really like the algorithm ... I think there's a better way in general... Tony From liyang at nerv.cx Sat Feb 2 15:10:25 2002 From: liyang at nerv.cx (Liyang Hu) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New golf was Re: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020202171359.GB11737@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com> <20020202093527.C24967@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020202161354.B28911@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020202171359.GB11737@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020202211025.GA19668@cam.ac.uk> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 05:13:59PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > I took a similar approach at first... (although mine deals with many > rather than one) > -F// -pale '$_=0;$n=36**@F;for$d(@F){$d=$o-55if($o=ord$d)>64;$_+=($n/=36)*$d}' Hmm ... I never knew about -F ... 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 -F// -pae'map{$i=$i*36+("A"le$_?-55+ord$_:$_)}@F;$_=$i' -F// -pae'map{$i*=36;$i+="A"le$_?-55+ord$_:$_}@F;$_=$i' 55 characters[0]. Can't think of any other way to shorten that, I'm afraid. Note you do have to invoke it as follows: $ echo -n 12AB | perl -F// -pae'map{$i*=36;$i+="A"le$_?-55+ord$_:$_}@F;$_=$i' (Hey, the rules said ``convert a number'', not ``convert a number and a newline''.) I've been doing too much Python^WHaskell ... /Liyang [0] How does golf work again? Do I include the switches in the character count? And the quotes? -- .--| Liyang HU |--| http://nerv.cx/ |--| Caius@Cam |--| ICQ: 39391385 |--. | A [programming] language that doesn't affect the way you think | | about programming is not worth knowing. | From tony at kasei.com Sun Feb 3 06:21:11 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New golf was Re: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020202211025.GA19668@cam.ac.uk> References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com> <20020202093527.C24967@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020202161354.B28911@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020202171359.GB11737@soto.kasei.com> <20020202211025.GA19668@cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020203122111.GA15137@soto.kasei.com> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:10:25PM +0000, Liyang Hu wrote: > 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 > -F// -pae'map{$i=$i*36+("A"le$_?-55+ord$_:$_)}@F;$_=$i' > -F// -pae'map{$i*=36;$i+="A"le$_?-55+ord$_:$_}@F;$_=$i' > 55 characters[0]. Can't think of any other way to shorten that, I'm > afraid. Well, you could switch the order of the ternary, and rely on the implicit $_ that ord gets (saving 2 strokes) > 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 > -F// -pae'map{$i*=36;$i+="A"gt$_:$_?-55+ord}@F;$_=$i' And without strict you don't need the quotes round that "A" (although you'll need a space before the gt, so you'll only save 1 more stroke) > 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 > -F// -pae'map{$i*=36;$i+=A gt$_:$_?-55+ord}@F;$_=$i' > [0] How does golf work again? Do I include the switches in the > character count? And the quotes? Yep. Tony From liyang at nerv.cx Sun Feb 3 09:08:22 2002 From: liyang at nerv.cx (Liyang Hu) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: New golf was Re: New Perl magazine In-Reply-To: <20020203122111.GA15137@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020201195109.H4813@futureless.org> <20020201221107.GA7587@soto.kasei.com> <20020202093527.C24967@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020202161354.B28911@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020202171359.GB11737@soto.kasei.com> <20020202211025.GA19668@cam.ac.uk> <20020203122111.GA15137@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020203150822.GB2098@cam.ac.uk> On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 12:21:11PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 -F// > > -pae'map{$i*=36;$i+="A"gt$_:$_?-55+ord}@F;$_=$i' > And without strict you don't need the quotes round that "A" Perl allows this? O_o > > 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 > > -F// -pae'map{$i*=36;$i+=A gt$_:$_?-55+ord}@F;$_=$i' YM 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 -F// -pae'map{$i*=36;$i+=A gt$_?$_:-55+ord}@F;$_=$i' Surely? ^_- 52 characters and counting ... mata ne, /Liyang -- .--| Liyang HU |--| http://nerv.cx/ |--| Caius@Cam |--| ICQ: 39391385 |--. | ``Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pac Man affected us as | | kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and | | listening to repetitive music.'' | From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sun Feb 3 14:52:49 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: [DC in belfast] Tomorrow night. NTK. Message-ID: <20020203205249.C9103@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Hey guys 'n' gals. Do we need to sign in at thon BT place? And to ride to it is down by waterfront up t'Hilton, yah? Will they let me in when I go in the door? What floor is it on? I need a drink. excuse me. m. -- No, YOU shut up From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sun Feb 3 14:57:40 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: yeh, yeh, read the site. Message-ID: <20020203205740.D9103@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Well done Steve. pah. m. -- All generalisations are false. Including this one. From andrew.mcfarland at unite.net Mon Feb 4 02:53:13 2002 From: andrew.mcfarland at unite.net (Andrew McFarland) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> Hi all, My usual lift can't make it tonight. Can anyone give me a lift to and/or from the meeting? I live in East Belfast (specifically, from around the Knock Road / Upper Newtownards Road junction). Andrew -- Andrew McFarland UNITE Solutions Phone 028 9077 7338 http://www.unite.net/ Fax 028 9077 7313 From dannywalk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 4 03:54:51 2002 From: dannywalk at yahoo.co.uk (Danny Walker (Yahoo)) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: tonights meeting? Message-ID: <3C5E5A6B.4040801@yahoo.co.uk> Hi, In this meeting tonight, Can people just turn up, or do we need to have names added to a list or something?: -=danny=- This e-mail and any attachment is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From stephen.m.adams at bt.com Mon Feb 4 04:49:25 2002 From: stephen.m.adams at bt.com (stephen.m.adams@bt.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: BT access arrangements - was [DC in belfast] Tomorrow night. NTK. Message-ID: OK, some domestic arrangements for BT. First things first - free tea/coffee will be available from 6:45. Yes it is beside the Hilton. No you won't have to sign in unless you are coming early to help with set-up etc. The Customer Events area is on the ground floor immediately to the right of the main entrance (big revolving door). Famous last words - you can't miss it. The main door/front desk closes at around 7 (though it will be later tonight and Thursday). If you are late, use the side door immediately to the left of the revolving door. There is a security buzzer system - Security will call me and I will let you in. Alternatively call or text me direct on 0771 9816102 Car parking is available either in the Hilton multi-storey car park or the other multi-storey car park beside BT - level 4 is the one to go for as this is the one with the pedestrian exit at the BT/Hilton level. Don't park immediately outside BT/Hilton as the clamping gnomes will get you. Regards, Stephen Adams > -----Original Message----- > From: Stray Toaster [mailto:mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 20:53 > To: belfast-pm@pm.org > Subject: [DC in belfast] Tomorrow night. NTK. > > > Hey guys 'n' gals. > > Do we need to sign in at thon BT place? And to ride to it is down by > waterfront up t'Hilton, yah? Will they let me in when I go in > the door? > What floor is it on? > > I need a drink. excuse me. > > m. > > -- > No, YOU shut up > From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Feb 4 04:56:46 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: BT access arrangements - was [DC in belfast] Tomorrow night. NTK. In-Reply-To: ; from stephen.m.adams@bt.com on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 10:49:25AM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20020204105646.D12291@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 10:49:25AM -0000, stephen.m.adams@bt.com wrote: > Car parking is available either in the Hilton multi-storey car park or the > other multi-storey car park beside BT - level 4 is the one to go for as this > is the one with the pedestrian exit at the BT/Hilton level. Don't park > immediately outside BT/Hilton as the clamping gnomes will get you. Even for bikes? m. -- Someone in this town Is trying to burn the Playhouse down They want to stop the ones who want A rock to wind a string around From swm at swmcc.com Mon Feb 4 05:04:14 2002 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1>; from andrew.mcfarland@unite.net on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 08:53:13AM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 08:53:13AM +0000, Andrew McFarland wrote: > Hi all, > > My usual lift can't make it tonight. Can anyone give me a lift to and/or > from the meeting? I live in East Belfast (specifically, from around the > Knock Road / Upper Newtownards Road junction). I might be able to give you a lift, I work at Bryson St - so whatever end of the Newtownards Rd that is. I'll be leaving at 6:20 or there abouts if you want a lift. Mail me if you want a lfit, Steve Foy knows where Bytel live. Cheers, -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com I want someone good, I mean very good, to plant that gun. I don't want my brother coming out of the bathroom with just his dick in his hands. The Godfather (1972) From stephen.m.adams at bt.com Mon Feb 4 05:42:34 2002 From: stephen.m.adams at bt.com (stephen.m.adams@bt.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: BT access arrangements - was [DC in belfast] Tomorrow night. NTK. Message-ID: I think there are free racks for pushbikes immediately to the right as you enter the Hilton car park _before_ the barrier. If my memory is faulty, there are railings to both the left and right of the BT building - if you go to the right you will be able to keep an eye on the bike through the glass wall of the venue. HTH, Stephen > -----Original Message----- > From: Stray Toaster [mailto:mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:57 > To: belfast-pm@pm.org > Subject: Re: BT access arrangements - was [DC in belfast] Tomorrow > night. NTK. > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 10:49:25AM -0000, > stephen.m.adams@bt.com wrote: > > Car parking is available either in the Hilton multi-storey > car park or the > > other multi-storey car park beside BT - level 4 is the one > to go for as this > > is the one with the pedestrian exit at the BT/Hilton level. > Don't park > > immediately outside BT/Hilton as the clamping gnomes will get you. > > Even for bikes? > > m. > > -- > Someone in this town > Is trying to burn the Playhouse down > They want to stop the ones who want > A rock to wind a string around > From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Feb 4 05:51:40 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: BT access arrangements - was [DC in belfast] Tomorrow night. NTK. In-Reply-To: ; from stephen.m.adams@bt.com on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 11:42:34AM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20020204115140.A16461@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 11:42:34AM -0000, stephen.m.adams@bt.com wrote: > I think there are free racks for pushbikes immediately to the right as you > enter the Hilton car park _before_ the barrier. If my memory is faulty, > there are railings to both the left and right of the BT building - if you go > to the right you will be able to keep an eye on the bike through the glass > wall of the venue. Ah. Motorcycles, not their non-motorised cousins. Should have made that clear. m. -- Thank you for expressing an interest in this sig From steve at narnian.org Mon Feb 4 06:47:07 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com>; from swm@swmcc.com on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 11:04:14AM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20020204124707.A5819@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> > > My usual lift can't make it tonight. Can anyone give me a lift to and/or > > from the meeting? I live in East Belfast (specifically, from around the > > Knock Road / Upper Newtownards Road junction). > > I might be able to give you a lift, I work at Bryson St - so whatever end of > the Newtownards Rd that is. I'll be leaving at 6:20 or there abouts if you > want a lift. Mail me if you want a lfit, Steve Foy knows where Bytel live. I do?... I mean "I do". No, really, I do. Funnily enough, I'm his 'usual lift' too. -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From bazza at bazza.com Mon Feb 4 07:17:03 2002 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020204124707.A5819@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204124707.A5819@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020204131703.GA21373@bazza.com> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 12:47:07PM +0000, Steve Foy mumbled: > > > My usual lift can't make it tonight. Can anyone give me a lift to and/or > > > from the meeting? I live in East Belfast (specifically, from around the > > > Knock Road / Upper Newtownards Road junction). > > I might be able to give you a lift, I work at Bryson St - so whatever end of > > the Newtownards Rd that is. I'll be leaving at 6:20 or there abouts if you > > want a lift. Mail me if you want a lfit, Steve Foy knows where Bytel live. > I do?... I mean "I do". > No, really, I do. funnily enough, where bytel is would be the opposite end of the road from being that useful ;) -- -Barry Hughes We are Microsoft. Unix is irrelevant. Openness is futile. Prepare to be assimilated. http://bazza.com/ From stephen.m.adams at bt.com Mon Feb 4 07:18:12 2002 From: stephen.m.adams at bt.com (stephen.m.adams@bt.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: BT access arrangements - was [DC in belfast] Tomorrow night. NTK. Message-ID: > > Ah. Motorcycles, not their non-motorised cousins. Should have > made that clear. > I'm sure the car parks will be quite prepared to take your money, but the parking folks probably won't object if you park your bike discreetly up the right side of the building. Even if they do the clamps won't fit :). Seriously, if you do this and it raises eyebrows, you will be able to see from inside the building and move your bike. Check with the kiosk inside the Hilton car park if you want to make sure. I don't see a problem for an evening event. Stephen From stephen.m.adams at bt.com Mon Feb 4 07:39:18 2002 From: stephen.m.adams at bt.com (stephen.m.adams@bt.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: BT access arrangements - was [DC in belfast] Tomorrow night. NTK. Message-ID: Sorry, more boring parking detail. I have checked with the powers that be and the Hilton car park will kindly accommodate bikes for free in their staff car park (before and to the right of the barrier) Stephen > > Ah. Motorcycles, not their non-motorised cousins. Should have > made that clear. > > m. > > -- > Thank you for expressing an interest in this sig > From swm at swmcc.com Mon Feb 4 07:52:08 2002 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020204131703.GA21373@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 01:17:03PM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204124707.A5819@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020204131703.GA21373@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20020204135208.A3051@gandalf.swmcc.com> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 01:17:03PM +0000, barry wrote: > On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 12:47:07PM +0000, Steve Foy mumbled: > > > > My usual lift can't make it tonight. Can anyone give me a lift to and/or > > > > from the meeting? I live in East Belfast (specifically, from around the > > > > Knock Road / Upper Newtownards Road junction). > > > I might be able to give you a lift, I work at Bryson St - so whatever end of > > > the Newtownards Rd that is. I'll be leaving at 6:20 or there abouts if you > > > want a lift. Mail me if you want a lfit, Steve Foy knows where Bytel live. > > I do?... I mean "I do". > > No, really, I do. > > funnily enough, where bytel is would be the opposite end of the road from > being that useful ;) Well at least I offered. Are you coming tonight? -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com It's a Sicilian message. It means Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes. The Godfather (1972) From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Feb 4 08:25:11 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: BT access arrangements - was [DC in belfast] Tomorrow night. NTK. In-Reply-To: ; from stephen.m.adams@bt.com on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 01:39:18PM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20020204142511.B17373@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 01:39:18PM -0000, stephen.m.adams@bt.com wrote: > Sorry, more boring parking detail. > > I have checked with the powers that be and the Hilton car park will kindly > accommodate bikes for free in their staff car park (before and to the right > of the barrier) cheers! hurrah for them! m. -- What about me? Well, I'll find someone Who is not going cheap in the sales. A nice little housewife Who'll give me a steady life And won't keep going off the rails From steve at narnian.org Mon Feb 4 08:37:23 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020204135208.A3051@gandalf.swmcc.com>; from swm@swmcc.com on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 01:52:08PM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204124707.A5819@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020204131703.GA21373@bazza.com> <20020204135208.A3051@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20020204143723.A6258@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> > > > > I might be able to give you a lift, I work at Bryson St - so whatever end of > > > > the Newtownards Rd that is. I'll be leaving at 6:20 or there abouts if you > > > > want a lift. Mail me if you want a lfit, Steve Foy knows where Bytel live. > > > I do?... I mean "I do". > > > No, really, I do. > > > > funnily enough, where bytel is would be the opposite end of the road from > > being that useful ;) > > Well at least I offered. Are you coming tonight? It's a very delicat situation. There was something I should go to tonight, but its not on anymore, but there is another thing I should also go to, but it is of less importance as the 'other other' thing. Am I making myself clear? -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Mon Feb 4 08:38:55 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020204143723.A6258@caspian.inhouseinternet.net>; from steve@narnian.org on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:37:23PM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204124707.A5819@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020204131703.GA21373@bazza.com> <20020204135208.A3051@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204143723.A6258@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020204143855.A16526@blackstar.co.uk> On (04/02/02 14:37), Steve Foy wrote: > > > > > I might be able to give you a lift, I work at Bryson St - so whatever end of > > > > > the Newtownards Rd that is. I'll be leaving at 6:20 or there abouts if you > > > > > want a lift. Mail me if you want a lfit, Steve Foy knows where Bytel live. > > > > I do?... I mean "I do". > > > > No, really, I do. > > > > > > funnily enough, where bytel is would be the opposite end of the road from > > > being that useful ;) > > > > Well at least I offered. Are you coming tonight? > > It's a very delicat situation. There was something I should go to > tonight, but its not on anymore, but there is another thing I should > also go to, but it is of less importance as the 'other other' thing. > > Am I making myself clear? No, let Russell do it. Duggie -- "The cat doesn't even have opposable thumbs, Focker!" - Meet The Parents From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Feb 4 08:40:58 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020204143855.A16526@blackstar.co.uk>; from Duggie on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:38:55PM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204124707.A5819@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020204131703.GA21373@bazza.com> <20020204135208.A3051@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204143723.A6258@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020204143855.A16526@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020204144058.D17373@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:38:55PM +0000, Duggie wrote: > > No, let Russell do it. Did you know today was groundhog day? m. -- All generalisations are false. Including this one. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Feb 4 08:41:18 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020204143855.A16526@blackstar.co.uk>; from Duggie on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:38:55PM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204124707.A5819@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020204131703.GA21373@bazza.com> <20020204135208.A3051@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204143723.A6258@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020204143855.A16526@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020204144118.E17373@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:38:55PM +0000, Duggie wrote: > > No, let Russell do it. Did you know today was Groundhog day? m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From steve at narnian.org Mon Feb 4 08:43:36 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Lift to tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020204143855.A16526@blackstar.co.uk>; from duggie-belfast-pm@blackstar.co.uk on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:38:55PM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204084723.009e8240@127.0.0.1> <20020204110414.A2596@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204124707.A5819@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020204131703.GA21373@bazza.com> <20020204135208.A3051@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020204143723.A6258@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020204143855.A16526@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020204144336.A6299@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> > > > Well at least I offered. Are you coming tonight? > > > > It's a very delicat situation. There was something I should go to > > tonight, but its not on anymore, but there is another thing I should > > also go to, but it is of less importance as the 'other other' thing. > > > > Am I making myself clear? > > No, let Russell do it. I'm beginning to feel very picked on.... :( No-one likes me :( -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Feb 4 09:11:18 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: old news. Message-ID: <20020204151118.L17373@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Of course, I was reading old news, so today isn't really groundhog day. bah. It was funny last year... m. -- And I find it kinda funny And I find it kinda sad These dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've everhad From andrew at mcfarland.co.uk Mon Feb 4 16:29:57 2002 From: andrew at mcfarland.co.uk (Andrew McFarland) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Wow! Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204222705.00a15ec0@pop.ntlworld.com> I just want to say that was an absolutely amazing evening. I'm left utterly speechless. I'll never look at Klingons or thermodynamics in the same way again. Many thanks to Damian, and everyone who helped organise the event. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Feb 4 17:14:01 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: Wow! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204222705.00a15ec0@pop.ntlworld.com>; from Andrew McFarland on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 10:29:57PM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204222705.00a15ec0@pop.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <20020204231401.A27134@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 10:29:57PM +0000, Andrew McFarland wrote: > I just want to say that was an absolutely amazing evening. > > I'm left utterly speechless. I'll never look at Klingons or thermodynamics > in the same way again. > > Many thanks to Damian, and everyone who helped organise the event. Hmm. Klingon as a rule belongs in the Star Trek universe, thereby losing my interest straight away. The mention of Maxwell and the derivative form of the second law of thermodynamics piqued my interest, even tho I prefer the integral form. The GOL stuff was great, too. I knew some GOL stuff, but that was a step beyond. There is always one, and it usually Louise. [1] *claps* m. [1] None of you know her. -- What about me? Well, I'll find someone Who is not going cheap in the sales. A nice little housewife Who'll give me a steady life And won't keep going off the rails From dollarmountain at hotmail.com Tue Feb 5 07:55:39 2002 From: dollarmountain at hotmail.com (dollarmountain@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:31 2004 Subject: It's a simple and easy-to-follow plan and EVERY website will want this service Message-ID: <20020205135700.B0C9A90A2@mail2.panix.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So yes, I did know it then. m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 09:21:18 2002 From: ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: tonight's meeting Message-ID: <20020207152116.C24714@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> couldn't make it to monday's talk -- anyone else thinking of going this evening? -- | Andrew Gallagher | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland | | andrewgallagher.tripod.com | web.am.qub.ac.uk/~ab.gallagher/pubkey | From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Feb 7 09:29:07 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020207152116.C24714@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk>; from Andrew Gallagher on Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 03:21:18PM +0000 References: <20020207152116.C24714@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020207152907.O31710@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 03:21:18PM +0000, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > couldn't make it to monday's talk -- anyone else thinking of going this > evening? but of course. m. -- It was a two-way thing Not a three-day fling No secrets kept No truths betrayed From karen at kasei.com Thu Feb 7 10:20:16 2002 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020207152907.O31710@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020207152116.C24714@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020207152907.O31710@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020207162016.GB20341@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Feb 7 15:29:07 2002, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 03:21:18PM +0000, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > couldn't make it to monday's talk -- anyone else thinking of going this > > evening? > > but of course. I'll be there. As will Tony, Marty, Andrew W, Russell, David, Wesley, Stephen A, Steve McC, Paul, Peter... It would nice to see you again Andrew :) -- Karen From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Feb 7 10:03:21 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020207152116.C24714@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> References: <20020207152116.C24714@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020207160321.A31749@futureless.org> On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 03:21:18PM +0000, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > couldn't make it to monday's talk -- anyone else thinking of going this > evening? I'm going, and Damian Conway's going to be there. Pete McEvoy says he's going too. And all the rest (it seemed like everyone on the list turned up on Monday). Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Hospital closures kill more than carbombs ever will PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020207/94398961/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Feb 7 10:24:44 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: [BLUG] Re: tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020207162352.D7828@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from Stray Toaster on Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 04:23:52PM +0000 References: <20020207152116.C24714@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020207152907.O31710@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020207162016.GB20341@soto.kasei.com> <20020207162352.D7828@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020207162444.E7828@tux.blackstar.co.uk> And reply to the right list, dammit. On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 04:23:52PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 04:20:16PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > > On Thu Feb 7 15:29:07 2002, Stray Toaster wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 03:21:18PM +0000, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > > > couldn't make it to monday's talk -- anyone else thinking of going this > > > > evening? > > > > > > but of course. > > > > I'll be there. As will Tony, Marty, Andrew W, Russell, > > David, Wesley, Stephen A, Steve McC, Paul, Peter... > > Dozey, Beaky, Mick and Titch too? > > m. who is too young to get that gag right. > > -- > Someone in this town > Is trying to burn the Playhouse down > They want to stop the ones who want > A rock to wind a string around -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 11:20:50 2002 From: ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20020207162016.GB20341@soto.kasei.com>; from karen@kasei.com on Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 04:20:16PM +0000 References: <20020207152116.C24714@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020207152907.O31710@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020207162016.GB20341@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020207172049.B25145@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 04:20:16PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > On Thu Feb 7 15:29:07 2002, Stray Toaster wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 03:21:18PM +0000, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > > couldn't make it to monday's talk -- anyone else thinking of going this > > > evening? > > > > but of course. > > I'll be there. As will Tony, Marty, Andrew W, Russell, > David, Wesley, Stephen A, Steve McC, Paul, Peter... > > It would nice to see you again Andrew :) I'm going all gooey now. :-] -- | Andrew Gallagher | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland | | andrewgallagher.tripod.com | web.am.qub.ac.uk/~ab.gallagher/pubkey | From sleepy_uk at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 04:17:19 2002 From: sleepy_uk at hotmail.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Programming Contest Message-ID: hey all, just thought i'd tell you google are running a programming contest. The info is at use perl. Also: GOLF Convert lowercase alphanumeric text to uppercase without the use of uc() or substitutions. have fun! -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- PGP key id: 0x3C79CF1D _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk Fri Feb 8 04:29:05 2002 From: steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Programming Contest In-Reply-To: ; from sleepy_uk@hotmail.com on Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:17:19AM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20020208102905.A9957@blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:17:19AM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > just thought i'd tell you google are running a programming contest. The info > is at use perl. AFAIK you can't use perl (at least directly) to enter the contest. There was a post on the google group about it. Tis only C++ and Java :( > Also: GOLF > Convert lowercase alphanumeric text to uppercase without the use of uc() or > substitutions. > have fun! You evil evil man. More than enough time is being wasted on The Perl Review Golf without another challenge being created! Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk And we say there's not enough black in the union jack And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes From tony at kasei.com Fri Feb 8 04:45:31 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Programming Contest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020208104531.GA27961@soto.kasei.com> On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:17:19AM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > Convert lowercase alphanumeric text to uppercase without the use of uc() or > substitutions. I think you need to formulate this better. It's pretty much impossible to 'convert' any text with substituting one thing for another. If you just mean you can't use 's', then what about 'y'? Tony From schwern at pobox.com Fri Feb 8 04:49:03 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Programming Contest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020208104902.GF2113@blackrider> On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:17:19AM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > just thought i'd tell you google are running a programming contest. The > info is at use perl. Its C++, Java, and after some debate, Python only. They've specificly said: No Perl. No Lisp. Because obviously Perl and Lisp are no good at munging large amounts of formatted text. [1] http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=google.public.programming-contest&selm=257fd06c.0202071532.14b1997b%40posting.google.com > Also: GOLF > Convert lowercase alphanumeric text to uppercase without the use of uc() or > substitutions. $foo=join"",map chr ord($_)-32,split//,$foo; [1] I think the real reason why is because Google uses C++, Java and Python in-house. But they're stubbornly refusing to explain their choices, so that's just speculation. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One "You killed my fish?" "Why does that pickle you?" http://sluggy.com/d/010204.html From sleepy_uk at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 05:25:13 2002 From: sleepy_uk at hotmail.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Programming Contest Message-ID: >$foo=join"",map chr ord($_)-32,split//,$foo; But will that work for alphanumeric text? -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- PGP key id: 0x3C79CF1D _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Andrew.Wilson at trw.com Fri Feb 8 05:31:14 2002 From: Andrew.Wilson at trw.com (Wilson, Andrew (Belfast)) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Programming Contest Message-ID: <65BB8AA6E3A6D211A6C500902733DD5EDAE244@BELFAST2> > Also: GOLF > Convert lowercase alphanumeric text to uppercase without the use of uc() or > substitutions. $foo=join"",map chr ord($_)-32,split//,$foo; You've just converted all the numbers in the alphanumeric text to gibberish. cheers Andrew From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Fri Feb 8 08:02:33 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: DC last nite Message-ID: Could anyone give me a rundown of how lasts nites talk was? I would have went (even though i'm sure the majority of it would have been right over my head!) but i was in here (work) playing tug o war with an invidious NT server :( Cheers Pete From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Feb 8 08:35:16 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: DC last nite In-Reply-To: ; from Peter McEvoy on Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 02:02:33PM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20020208143516.H27709@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 02:02:33PM -0000, Peter McEvoy wrote: > Could anyone give me a rundown of how lasts nites talk was? I would have > went (even though i'm sure the majority of it would have been right over my > head!) but i was in here (work) playing tug o war with an invidious NT > server :( I am sorry, but I left my brain there. Some of it I followed, some not, and some could only be explained by Elvis. My current faves (as I keep looking at the code) ae q++ and y=[====y=]== bonkers. m. -- It was a two-way thing Not a three-day fling No secrets kept No truths betrayed From smylers at stripey.com Fri Feb 8 09:00:48 2002 From: smylers at stripey.com (smylers@stripey.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Lower-Case Golf (Was: Programming Contest) Message-ID: <200202081500.g18F0mI16415@No2.NetMegs.com> Scott McWhirter wrote: > Also: GOLF > Convert lowercase alphanumeric text to uppercase without the use of uc() > or substitutions. How about: perl -pe'$_="\U$_"' # 10 Smylers From smylers at stripey.com Fri Feb 8 09:58:45 2002 From: smylers at stripey.com (smylers@stripey.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Lower-Case Golf (Was: Programming Contest) Message-ID: <200202081558.g18FwjI19532@No2.NetMegs.com> I wrote: > perl -pe'$_="\U$_"' # 10 Ooops. Typo there, since that's blatantly nineteen rather than ten. If using \U isn't in the spirit of things, this is the shortest I've got otherwise: perl -naF// -e'print map$_&64?chr$_-32:chr,map{ord}@F' # 54 Smylers From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Fri Feb 8 10:05:05 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Lower-Case Golf (Was: Programming Contest) In-Reply-To: <200202081558.g18FwjI19532@No2.NetMegs.com>; from smylers@stripey.com on Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:58:45AM -0500 References: <200202081558.g18FwjI19532@No2.NetMegs.com> Message-ID: <20020208160505.A6875@blackstar.co.uk> On (08/02/02 10:58), smylers@stripey.com wrote: > I wrote: > > > perl -pe'$_="\U$_"' # 10 > > Ooops. Typo there, since that's blatantly nineteen rather than ten. > > If using \U isn't in the spirit of things, this is the shortest I've > got otherwise: Why isn't it in the spirit? I thought the 10 was your 'marks out of 10' score! ;) Thanks Duggie From schwern at pobox.com Fri Feb 8 15:07:10 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Programming Contest In-Reply-To: <65BB8AA6E3A6D211A6C500902733DD5EDAE244@BELFAST2> References: <65BB8AA6E3A6D211A6C500902733DD5EDAE244@BELFAST2> Message-ID: <20020208210710.GG2113@blackrider> On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 11:31:14AM -0000, Wilson, Andrew (Belfast) wrote: > > Also: GOLF > > Convert lowercase alphanumeric text to uppercase without the use of uc() > or > > substitutions. > > $foo=join"",map chr ord($_)-32,split//,$foo; > > You've just converted all the numbers in the alphanumeric text to gibberish. That's ok. Most people can't do math anyway. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One Don't ask me lady, I live in beer. From andrew-dated-1013639521.aa5bf8 at rivendale.net Fri Feb 8 16:32:00 2002 From: andrew-dated-1013639521.aa5bf8 at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: DC last nite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020208223200.GA871@gandalf.rivendale.net> Hi On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 02:02:33PM -0000, Peter McEvoy wrote: > Could anyone give me a rundown of how lasts nites talk was? I would have > went (even though i'm sure the majority of it would have been right over my > head!) but i was in here (work) playing tug o war with an invidious NT > server :( Lat night was superb. Damian twisted our heads with some absolutely wonderful/awful code. I particularly liked ~~ this puts the following expression in scalar context. As Marc would say, bonkers. Can't post the code as damian doesn't want us too. cheers Andrew From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Sun Feb 10 04:36:46 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: [Geeky] Monkey gone to Heaven Message-ID: <20020210103646.A6989@futureless.org> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I Fell in Love with a Starship Coder Another Brick in Larry Wall part 6 ok($computer, "Radiohead"); UnTainted Love Script for a Jester's Site *runs after Russell with his baseball bat* m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sun Feb 10 08:26:34 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: [Geeky] Monkey gone to Heaven In-Reply-To: <20020210103646.A6989@futureless.org>; from Russell Matbouli on Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 10:36:46AM +0000 References: <20020210103646.A6989@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020210142634.B30971@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 10:36:46AM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > I like Perl. I like the Pixies. So I combined them. [0] Insults, please ;) > Better yet, let's start a song coding thread. *runs and hides* > aD'oh! There was an attachment.... now I really do go after idoru with a bat... m. -- No, I am not laughing with you From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Sun Feb 10 08:35:38 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: [Geeky] Monkey gone to Heaven In-Reply-To: <20020210141027.A30971@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020210103646.A6989@futureless.org> <20020210141027.A30971@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020210143538.A476@futureless.org> On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 02:10:27PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 10:36:46AM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > I like Perl. I like the Pixies. So I combined them. [0] Insults, please ;) > > Better yet, let's start a song coding thread. *runs and hides* > Didn't we do this over on BLUG once? No, there's been a "favourite band" thing. I was proposing encoding songs into perl code (great compression there). > Oh, that was the 'quota' thread, IIRC. Never speak of never speak of the quota again again. And other recursive memes. > Rught then, puns are bad, m'kay? > > I Fell in Love with a Starship Coder > Another Brick in Larry Wall part 6 > ok($computer, "Radiohead"); > UnTainted Love > Script for a Jester's Site Bad bad bad. > *runs after Russell with his baseball bat* Ah, thank you for the baseball bat, what a wonderful prize... Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Combine steps PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Feb 15 08:25:34 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: YA Programming Contest In-Reply-To: <20020214170902.GF16951@soto.kasei.com>; from Marty on Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 05:09:02PM +0000 References: <20020214170902.GF16951@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020215142534.F3660@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 05:09:02PM +0000, Marty wrote: > Write a Perl script that pretends to be a web server: every time it > receives a valid request, it should redirect the browser to a URL > specified on the command line. > > Prizes for the most elegant (IMO) solution. Is this then an elagancy compo? Or what? Some more rules, pleeeze meester... What form do the requests come in? http://blah? Allowing ftp? Go on, clarify it for me, and I will have a go at it. m. -- And I find it kinda funny And I find it kinda sad These dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've everhad From Emailcenter at 163.com Tue Feb 19 04:07:16 2002 From: Emailcenter at 163.com (L.Mi) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: To Promote Your Business Message-ID: <200202191019.g1JAIx214905@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But be warned, there is no tomfoolery over here, like that BLUG lot. This is a sensible list, full off insightful on-topic stuff, and witty and interesting off-topic things. m. -- Ever since I could talk I've been ordered to listen From duggie at ninet.co.uk Thu Feb 21 16:16:41 2002 From: duggie at ninet.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <20020221204050.A29149@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 08:40:50PM +0000 References: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> <20020221204050.A29149@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020221221641.B30786@blackstar.co.uk> On (21/02/02 20:40), Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:44:04AM -0800, Andrew Whalley wrote: > > Hello Perl type people! > > > > just joined the list and wanted to say hello. > > > > so, er, hello! > > > And hello from me. > > But be warned, there is no tomfoolery over here, like that BLUG lot. > This is a sensible list, full off insightful on-topic stuff, and witty > and interesting off-topic things. Hi Andrew Yes, Marc is right. You're very welcome, but be warned: This is a local list for local people. You hear? Thanks Duggie -- Scorpio (Oct. 24 - Nov. 21) Your belief that you are a pawn in a much larger game is untrue. The game is not all that large. (supplied by the Onion) From andrew.whalley at firepad.com Thu Feb 21 16:55:37 2002 From: andrew.whalley at firepad.com (Andrew Whalley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations Message-ID: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A46@primed.claxon.lan> > > But be warned, there is no tomfoolery over here, like that BLUG lot. > > This is a sensible list, full off insightful on-topic > > This is a local list for local people. You hear? ok! I must admit I went along to the Silicon Valley.pm and was not very impressed by the levels of friendliness, interaction etc (though I will be going to see Larry Wall next month). Also, I never considered myself one of BLUG's great fooler-arounders (but maybe I was wrong?) anyway, on topic question: what are peoples experiences with the perl complier? I've had a play round and not had any problems. Are the issues with it mostly performance or C code it produces sometimes a bit buggy? thanks andy (_temporally_ out of the country :-) From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Thu Feb 21 17:24:21 2002 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <20020221204050.A29149@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 08:40:50PM +0000 References: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> <20020221204050.A29149@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020221232421.G67667@dansat.data-plan.com> On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 08:40:50PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:44:04AM -0800, Andrew Whalley wrote: > > Hello Perl type people! > > > > just joined the list and wanted to say hello. > > > > so, er, hello! > > > And hello from me. > > But be warned, there is no tomfoolery over here, like that BLUG lot. > This is a sensible list, full off insightful on-topic stuff, and witty > and interesting off-topic things. Ohh, err. Guess I should own up to having joined the list a couple of weeks ago. Belfast is a long way from Ennis, but much closer than London! Tim [now resident in Ireland, in case anyone didn't know] From schwern at pobox.com Thu Feb 21 17:34:59 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A46@primed.claxon.lan> References: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A46@primed.claxon.lan> Message-ID: <20020221233458.GO22126@blackrider> On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:55:37PM -0800, Andrew Whalley wrote: > what are peoples experiences with the perl complier? I've had a play > round and not had any problems. Are the issues with it mostly performance > or C code it produces sometimes a bit buggy? perlcc? ACHTUNG! DER IST EXPERIMENTALCODENBUNG EN HEREN! It likes to do things like eat up 40 megs of memory just to compile a 10 line perl program. It also likes to not run things in BEGIN blocks (so BEGIN { print "foo" } will not quite work right). It currently only passes approximately 70% of the core perl test suite (ie. taking each test script in turn, compiling it, and seeing if it still passes). Bytecode compiling appears to actually make your program load slower. This might just be an artifact of the implementation, nobody's looked into it. We almost gave up on perlcc entirely in 5.8. It was completely broken for a while, but a white knight came along and performed some meatball surgery and got it working again. Basically, the original author (Malcom Beattie) has a life now, and the only other person who really understood it (Simon Cozens) has Parrot to worry about. There's no run-time benefit of converting your Perl program to C (since the resulting C code just calls the same Perl API functions that perl itself uses) and the optimizing translator (B::CC) doesn't yet do much optimizing and its an extremely non-trivial problem to optimize Perl code without breaking things. So I don't see perlcc firming up ever. However, all hope is not lost. There are a handful of tools to go in and manipulate the opcode tree directly. B::Generate and optimizer.pm being interesting because you can actually write your own optimizer for your Perl code in Perl. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One gumballs have no paste Tim's balls are so damn pasty bend over and squeal -- |siv| From andrew at soto.kasei.com Thu Feb 21 18:44:52 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> References: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> Message-ID: <20020222004452.GA16071@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:44:04AM -0800, Andrew Whalley wrote: > Hello Perl type people! Hi Andrew > just joined the list and wanted to say hello. > > so, er, hello! Hello again, and welcome. As has ben pointed out already there is a lot less tom foolery on this list[0] than ther is on BLUG. Last time someone introduced themselves I made the mistake of saying how quiet the list usually is. Then we had the busiest 2-3 weeks ever. cheers andrew[1] [0] There seems to be no shortage of Marc fooerly or Duggie foolery or $random_belfast_pmer follery though. [1] YAARW (Yet Another Andrew R W) From andrew at soto.kasei.com Thu Feb 21 18:47:15 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <20020221232421.G67667@dansat.data-plan.com> References: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> <20020221204050.A29149@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020221232421.G67667@dansat.data-plan.com> Message-ID: <20020222004715.GB16071@soto.kasei.com> Hi Tim On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:24:21PM +0000, Tim Bunce wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 08:40:50PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > Guess I should own up to having joined the list a couple of weeks ago. > > Belfast is a long way from Ennis, but much closer than London! > > Tim [now resident in Ireland, in case anyone didn't know] Welcome. I feel obligated to say more than one word otherwise it looks like I'm just going AOL[0]. cheers Andrew [0] Although admittedly this is just a one word email[1] [1] With lots of padding. From andrew at soto.kasei.com Thu Feb 21 19:14:23 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <20020221221641.B30786@blackstar.co.uk> References: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> <20020221204050.A29149@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020221221641.B30786@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020222011423.GA16223@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:16:41PM +0000, Duggie wrote: > Yes, Marc is right. You're very welcome, but be warned: > This is a local list for local people. You hear? I suspect that anyone who's not semi-local isn't going to get the league of gentlemen reference. cheers Andrew From schwern at pobox.com Thu Feb 21 21:34:32 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <20020222011423.GA16223@soto.kasei.com> References: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> <20020221204050.A29149@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020221221641.B30786@blackstar.co.uk> <20020222011423.GA16223@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020222033432.GC25247@blackrider> On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 01:14:23AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:16:41PM +0000, Duggie wrote: > > Yes, Marc is right. You're very welcome, but be warned: > > This is a local list for local people. You hear? > > I suspect that anyone who's not semi-local isn't going to get the league > of gentlemen reference. I wouldn't know because I can't watch my bloody DVDs still. :( Anyone have an EPROM programmer handy? -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One I represent GOD you fuck! http://www.unamerican.com/ From wesley at yelsew.com Fri Feb 22 02:37:54 2002 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> References: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> Message-ID: <20020222083754.GA93348@paat.pair.com> On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:44:04AM -0800, Andrew Whalley wrote: > Hello Perl type people! > just joined the list and wanted to say hello. > so, er, hello! Welcome. May your perling be camel-icious. :-) Wesley. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Feb 22 03:57:48 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations Message-ID: <20020222095748.A8373@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:24:21PM +0000, Tim Bunce wrote: > Ohh, err. > > Guess I should own up to having joined the list a couple of weeks ago. > > Belfast is a long way from Ennis, but much closer than London! > > Tim [now resident in Ireland, in case anyone didn't know] I didn't know this. That is cool. Fancy coming up and speaking to us sometime soon? Don't worry, we like DBI, so there will be noone waiting with big sticks. Unlike we were with Squern. But he deserved it, the bot-running, bad-music-playing man that he is. m. -- What about me? Well, I'll find someone Who is not going cheap in the sales. A nice little housewife Who'll give me a steady life And won't keep going off the rails From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Fri Feb 22 05:08:28 2002 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <20020222095748.A8373@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 09:57:48AM +0000 References: <20020222095748.A8373@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020222110828.J67667@dansat.data-plan.com> On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 09:57:48AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:24:21PM +0000, Tim Bunce wrote: > > Ohh, err. > > > > Guess I should own up to having joined the list a couple of weeks ago. > > > > Belfast is a long way from Ennis, but much closer than London! > > > > Tim [now resident in Ireland, in case anyone didn't know] > > I didn't know this. That is cool. I think so! [fx: raises a pint of Guiness to toast you all] > Fancy coming up and speaking to us sometime soon? Yes, sometime. Not sure about soon, but who knows. I was hoping to come over at the same time Damian was around but it didn't work out. I heard MJD will be over sometime. Maybe I'll tie-in with that. > Don't worry, we like DBI, so there will be noone waiting > with big sticks. You're just trying to lul me into a false sense of security... > Unlike we were with Squern. But he deserved it, the bot-running, > bad-music-playing man that he is. Absolutely! Tim. From dw at dahomelands.net Sat Feb 23 06:57:31 2002 From: dw at dahomelands.net (Dave Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Greetings and Salutations In-Reply-To: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> References: <3C0F23E644C0A9448258D6901437AA050A37@primed.claxon.lan> Message-ID: <20020223125731.A282@dw> Standing shadily at the Albert Clock, Andrew cut to the hard line: > Hello Perl type people! > > just joined the list and wanted to say hello. > > so, er, hello! > > andy whalley Hello, Andy! I just joined a week or two ago too :). *lurks* From K.Birsh at planet247.co.uk Tue Feb 26 04:52:17 2002 From: K.Birsh at planet247.co.uk (K.Birsh@planet247.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Conference Calls For Less Message-ID: <1014720635.0276266151@mx1.planet247.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020226/c9cd9363/attachment.htm From Bob.D at pixelp.co.uk Thu Feb 28 17:35:41 2002 From: Bob.D at pixelp.co.uk (Bob.D@pixelp.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:32 2004 Subject: Would you Like a Guaranteed Rate of Return on your Investment? Message-ID: <1014906723.0440892979@relay-1.mail.inweb.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020228/538b01f8/attachment.htm