From scott at kungfuftr.com Sat Aug 3 08:12:48 2002 From: scott at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:46 2004 Subject: Books Message-ID: <20020803131248.GA8010@aslan.unite.net> hello, Does anyone have a copy of "Writing Apache Modules in Perl and C" that i could borrow for a while. If so, i would be willing to write a review for the pm website on it. thanks! -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From schwern at pobox.com Wed Aug 7 02:35:26 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Perl1 and Aegis Message-ID: <20020807073526.GC7669@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> For those of you that haven't heard, perl1 is once again being developed and they crowned me pumpking while I was in the bathroom. http://dev.perl.org/perl1/ Keep this under your hats for the moment, but I've decided to do something novel with the development model. We're going to use Aegis rather than a more traditional CVS, Perforce or Subversion. The more formalized development process should help to better organize patches and formalize their inclusion. Right now I've got Jesse "RT" Vincent setting up and admining the repository, but he needs help. There's a dearth of Aegis users out there, but I know there are some here. Would anyone like to help? We need help setting up and customizing the server, also writing introductory documentation and tutorials to help CVS users get started and generally just upping the ratio of Aegis Knowledgable folks vs CVS guys on list to handle the inevitable grumbling. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One "His plagiarism was limited only by this faulty technique." -- Peter Schickele From J.A.D.ent at bat.se Wed Aug 7 19:34:01 2002 From: J.A.D.ent at bat.se (E-News) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Internet Marketing Strategies Message-ID: <000052a31c4b$00004740$00000c7e@> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020807/aab9bf3d/attachment.htm From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Mon Aug 12 04:02:44 2002 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Tonight Message-ID: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> Right who fancies getting together for a drink or coffee tonight? It doesn't have to be for long, but I think we should try to pretend to have a meeting this month! So who's up for it? Marc, Russell, anyone? Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me! From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Aug 12 04:05:36 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Tonight In-Reply-To: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> References: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020812090536.GA9343@labac.net> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:02:44AM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > Right who fancies getting together for a drink or coffee tonight? It > doesn't have to be for long, but I think we should try to pretend to > have a meeting this month! So who's up for it? Marc, Russell, anyone? I would be up for it, let me check with the oracle first. If she is feeling better, I shall. m. -- I think everyone thinks everyone is an ass on this list. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Aug 12 04:21:00 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Tonight In-Reply-To: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> References: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020812092100.GA2187@futureless.org> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:02:44AM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > Right who fancies getting together for a drink or coffee tonight? It > doesn't have to be for long, but I think we should try to pretend to > have a meeting this month! So who's up for it? Marc, Russell, anyone? Yeah, where should we go? Are we going to do dinner first, or just go for coffee or what? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Pepsi is the drink that makes my ancestors come alive PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020812/e680a217/attachment.bin From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Mon Aug 12 04:41:53 2002 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Tonight In-Reply-To: <20020812092100.GA2187@futureless.org> References: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> <20020812092100.GA2187@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020812094153.GA10204@deeden.co.uk> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:21:00AM +0100, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:02:44AM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > > Right who fancies getting together for a drink or coffee tonight? It > > doesn't have to be for long, but I think we should try to pretend to > > have a meeting this month! So who's up for it? Marc, Russell, anyone? > > Yeah, where should we go? Are we going to do dinner first, or just go > for coffee or what? I hadn't thought of dinner. I could live with somewhere inexpensive. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk I've given you so much rope you should have been hanging for days. From ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk Mon Aug 12 09:53:07 2002 From: ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: sql/perl/dbi reference? Message-ID: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> Can anyone recommend a good postgresql/perl/dbi book or resource? I'm looking to use sql as a back-end to my (perl) sys-management scripts. -- | Andrew Gallagher | web.andrewg.com | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland | From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Mon Aug 12 09:58:04 2002 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: sql/perl/dbi reference? In-Reply-To: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> References: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 03:53:07PM +0100, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good postgresql/perl/dbi book or resource? I'm > looking to use sql as a back-end to my (perl) sys-management scripts. Well you could always look at the Class::DBI documentation. That may save you having to worry too much about the details. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk I've given you so much rope you should have been hanging for days. From tony at kasei.com Mon Aug 12 10:02:53 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Tonight In-Reply-To: <20020812094153.GA10204@deeden.co.uk> References: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> <20020812092100.GA2187@futureless.org> <20020812094153.GA10204@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020812150253.GA22201@soto.kasei.com> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:41:53AM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > I hadn't thought of dinner. I could live with somewhere inexpensive. I'm on. What's the plan? Tony From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Aug 12 10:30:31 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Tonight In-Reply-To: <20020812150253.GA22201@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> <20020812092100.GA2187@futureless.org> <20020812094153.GA10204@deeden.co.uk> <20020812150253.GA22201@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020812153031.GC25442@futureless.org> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 04:02:53PM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > I'm on. > > What's the plan? I was thinking about getting a falaffel from the Sphinx, although that was just because I couldn't think of anywhere to eat near Roasts... Any better suggestions? -- Russell Matbouli | I know I believe in nothing russell@futureless.org | but it is my nothing PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy yerselves -- Pete From tony at kasei.com Mon Aug 12 11:14:50 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Tonight In-Reply-To: <20020812153031.GC25442@futureless.org> References: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> <20020812092100.GA2187@futureless.org> <20020812094153.GA10204@deeden.co.uk> <20020812150253.GA22201@soto.kasei.com> <20020812153031.GC25442@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020812161450.GA24384@soto.kasei.com> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 04:30:31PM +0100, Russell Matbouli wrote: > I was thinking about getting a falaffel from the Sphinx, although that > was just because I couldn't think of anywhere to eat near Roasts... Any > better suggestions? Well, Roast does serve food ... and even some hot food. But I'll probably just have banoffee or some such... Tony PS everyone note: "Roast". Not "Roasts". TYVM. HAND. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Aug 12 11:21:12 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Tonight In-Reply-To: <20020812161450.GA24384@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020812090244.GA9524@deeden.co.uk> <20020812092100.GA2187@futureless.org> <20020812094153.GA10204@deeden.co.uk> <20020812150253.GA22201@soto.kasei.com> <20020812153031.GC25442@futureless.org> <20020812161450.GA24384@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020812162112.GA25924@futureless.org> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 05:14:50PM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > Well, Roast does serve food ... and even some hot food. Yes, but Steve did say "somewhere cheap" - I don't remember Roast being cheap (or having that much food, for that matter...). > But I'll probably just have banoffee or some such... A wise choice. > PS everyone note: "Roast". Not "Roasts". TYVM. HAND. It's called Roast, but I think it's okay to refer to it as Roasts (cafE [0] being implied). :) [0] On a mac and can't figure out how to do international characters... -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | I love your eyes but only with ketchup PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If yiz will be in Roast after 9pm I'll drop in... -- | Andrew Gallagher | web.andrewg.com | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland | From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Aug 12 11:25:56 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Tonight In-Reply-To: <20020812162314.GU23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> References: <20020812162314.GU23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020812162556.GG18018@labac.net> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 05:23:14PM +0100, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > If yiz will be in Roast after 9pm I'll drop in... I am going to try not to be. (No offence.) We should (those who will) be there at 6.30ish. m. -- Duggie: Interview Nazi to the Stars -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Aug 12 11:42:46 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Mailing list... Message-ID: <20020812164246.GA29122@futureless.org> Groups.kasei.com would be a nice place to move the mailing list to... What do people think about it? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | quota PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, that depends what you eat of course... ;) > It's called Roast, but I think it's okay to refer to it as Roasts > (cafE [0] being implied). :) Then it would need to be "Roast's". As in: -- Are we going to Roast's tonight? Which lots pf people won't like. Almost like: - Are we "going" to Roast tonight? or - "Fresh" potatoes only £2.50 Tony From ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk Mon Aug 12 12:10:06 2002 From: ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: sql/perl/dbi reference? In-Reply-To: <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> References: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 03:58:04PM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 03:53:07PM +0100, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a good postgresql/perl/dbi book or resource? I'm > > looking to use sql as a back-end to my (perl) sys-management scripts. > > Well you could always look at the Class::DBI documentation. That may > save you having to worry too much about the details. I really would rather know more about the details. :-) -- | Andrew Gallagher | web.andrewg.com | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland | From schwern at pobox.com Mon Aug 12 18:44:15 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: sql/perl/dbi reference? In-Reply-To: <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> References: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020812234415.GG8290@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 06:10:06PM +0100, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a good postgresql/perl/dbi book or resource? I'm > > > looking to use sql as a back-end to my (perl) sys-management scripts. > > > > Well you could always look at the Class::DBI documentation. That may > > save you having to worry too much about the details. > > I really would rather know more about the details. :-) Repeat this mantra: I hate SQL. that should cover the details of Class::DBI. :) Good DBI book... there isn't one AFAIK. The O'Reilly book is the only one I know of and it isn't much more than out-of-date man pages on dead trees. :( Read the man pages. Good PostgreSQL book... O'Reilly just published one, I have a copy but haven't read it yet. I believe New Riders has one and they usually publish decent stuff. Good SQL book... the best SQL reference I've found so far is the MySQL documentation. That plus a decent SQL92 reference (so you know what's 'standard' and what's MySQL) should do you. I don't know of any good SQL tutorials anymore. "Database Design For Mere Mortals" is a not-horrible introduction to table design, but includes not enough theory. Or too much theory. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One And God was pleased. And Dog was happy and wagged his tail. And Adam was greatly improved. And Cat did not care one way or the other. -- http://www.catsarefrommars.com/creationist.htm From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Tue Aug 13 03:03:32 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: sql/perl/dbi reference? In-Reply-To: <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> References: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020813080332.GA6508@futureless.org> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 06:10:06PM +0100, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > I really would rather know more about the details. :-) My course text for this was "Database Systems" by Connolly, Begg and Strachane. I have a copy of the 2nd edition that you could borrow once I get it back from whoever I lent it to. Waterstones have the third edition in stock though. It is a useful text, it provides examples of how whatever it is might be used in practice, as well as the theory. It's a big book and you'd probably never need to use the majority of it. I used it for its SQL reference (a few chapters), but if you don't know the theory, it's good for that too. ISBN: 0201708574 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201708574/qid=1029225428/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_3_1/026-5844721-4134027 -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Europe freed by McDonalds and Levis PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020813/0cbfacf1/attachment.bin From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Tue Aug 13 04:36:09 2002 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: sql/perl/dbi reference? In-Reply-To: <20020812234415.GG8290@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net>; from schwern@pobox.com on Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 04:44:15PM -0700 References: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812234415.GG8290@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> Message-ID: <20020813103609.B428@dansat.data-plan.com> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 04:44:15PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 06:10:06PM +0100, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > > > Can anyone recommend a good postgresql/perl/dbi book or resource? I'm > > > > looking to use sql as a back-end to my (perl) sys-management scripts. > > > > > > Well you could always look at the Class::DBI documentation. That may > > > save you having to worry too much about the details. > > > > I really would rather know more about the details. :-) > > Repeat this mantra: > > I hate SQL. > > that should cover the details of Class::DBI. :) > > Good DBI book... there isn't one AFAIK. The O'Reilly book is the only one I > know of and it isn't much more than out-of-date man pages on dead trees. :( Some might say that's a little unfair. Tim. From ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk Tue Aug 13 06:41:55 2002 From: ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: sql/perl/dbi reference? In-Reply-To: <20020812234415.GG8290@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> References: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812234415.GG8290@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> Message-ID: <20020813114155.GW23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 04:44:15PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > Repeat this mantra: > > I hate SQL. > > that should cover the details of Class::DBI. :) I probably will end up using Class::DBI. But since I am also going to be admining the database server I'd like to be a little more au fait with the back end... > Good PostgreSQL book... O'Reilly just published one, I have a copy but > haven't read it yet. I believe New Riders has one and they usually publish > decent stuff. Is this 'practical postgresql'? The reviews for it on Amazon are mixed... > Good SQL book... the best SQL reference I've found so far is the MySQL > documentation. That plus a decent SQL92 reference (so you know what's > 'standard' and what's MySQL) should do you. I don't know of any good SQL > tutorials anymore. "Database Design For Mere Mortals" is a not-horrible > introduction to table design, but includes not enough theory. Or too much > theory. The reviews seem good of this one... I know it's a lot cheaper (and environmentally friendly) to read online docs, but I still have a visceral attraction to dead tree. ;-) -- | Andrew Gallagher | web.andrewg.com | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland | From ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk Tue Aug 13 06:47:35 2002 From: ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: sql/perl/dbi reference? In-Reply-To: <20020813080332.GA6508@futureless.org> References: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020813080332.GA6508@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020813114735.GX23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:03:32AM +0100, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > My course text for this was "Database Systems" by Connolly, Begg and > Strachane. > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201708574/qid=1029225428/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_3_1/026-5844721-4134027 ?36.99? My god that's pricey! I swear computer books are sold by weight. I learned C from a 100-page booklet and since then have always bought the smallest book I could find on a subject. The rest are just fleecing efforts. :-P -- | Andrew Gallagher | web.andrewg.com | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. 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In-Reply-To: <20020813103609.B428@dansat.data-plan.com> References: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812234415.GG8290@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> <20020813103609.B428@dansat.data-plan.com> Message-ID: <20020816004718.GE759@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:36:09AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > > Good DBI book... there isn't one AFAIK. The O'Reilly book is the only one I > > know of and it isn't much more than out-of-date man pages on dead trees. :( > > Some might say that's a little unfair. It's because the DBI man page is so well written and comprehensive, why would anyone need a book? [1] [1] This was transmitted at 33.6K bps [2] [2] Backpedals Per Statement -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One We're talkin' to you, weaselnuts. http://www.goats.com/archive/000831.html From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Fri Aug 16 03:13:16 2002 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: sql/perl/dbi reference? In-Reply-To: <20020816004718.GE759@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net>; from schwern@pobox.com on Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:47:18PM -0700 References: <20020812145307.GS23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812145804.GA16989@deeden.co.uk> <20020812171006.GV23759@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20020812234415.GG8290@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> <20020813103609.B428@dansat.data-plan.com> <20020816004718.GE759@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> Message-ID: <20020816091316.B641@dansat.data-plan.com> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:47:18PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:36:09AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > > > Good DBI book... there isn't one AFAIK. The O'Reilly book is the only one I > > > know of and it isn't much more than out-of-date man pages on dead trees. :( > > > > Some might say that's a little unfair. > > It's because the DBI man page is so well written and comprehensive, why > would anyone need a book? [1] Some people seem to prefer the 'guide+examples' rather than 'reference' format. (Personally, I usually get along find with reference material.) > [1] This was transmitted at 33.6K bps [2] > > [2] Backpedals Per Statement :-) Tim. From egabriel at Od.mah.se Wed Aug 21 04:46:22 2002 From: egabriel at Od.mah.se (E-Business Update) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Conference calls/best quality/$.18 per minute! Message-ID: <00002e286a2e$00006fa0$00004923@emil.mah.se> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The world reknowned Damian Conway will be in Belfast during the start of September holding training courses. More details can be found at: http://www.kasei.com/training/damian/ There is a discount for belfast.pm members, and also for full-time students (who can prove it.) Those who went to these courses last time thoroughly enjoyed them, and came out better coders at the end. Damian is an entertaining and informative speaker, so here is another chance to see him! Hope to see you all there! Marc. From bazza at bazza.com Mon Aug 26 19:35:41 2002 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Damian Conway Training In-Reply-To: <20020826152934.GA18831@labac.net> References: <20020826152934.GA18831@labac.net> Message-ID: <20020827003541.GA27230@bazza.com> On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Stray Toaster mumbled: > To all perlmongers out there. Hi Marc! > The world reknowned Damian Conway will be in Belfast during the start of > September holding training courses. > More details can be found at: > http://www.kasei.com/training/damian/ > There is a discount for belfast.pm members, and also for full-time > students (who can prove it.) have to ask, what's our discount? I'd really love to go to that object oriented one, but alas, on ntl faults dept wages, it's very unlikely, guess I'll be waiting "til next time" again -- -Barry Hughes As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true name. -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie http://bazza.com/ From egabriel at od.mah.se Wed Aug 28 00:20:48 2002 From: egabriel at od.mah.se (Business World) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Web Conferencing - FREE DEMO Message-ID: <00004a921e03$0000407e$000057b7@emil.mah.se> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020827/51b9f1e9/attachment.htm From t.heller at eudoramail.com Tue Aug 27 23:07:21 2002 From: t.heller at eudoramail.com (Anthony Heller) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Application for Employment / Contract Work Message-ID: <20020828040718.07C95488B3@mail1.panix.com> *** Please Note: Do Not Use your Reply button if you wish to respond to this email *** *** Please reply to thailandtony@hotmail.com *** Hello, I came across your website, and thought I would send you a copy of my CV / Resume (please scroll down the page) to see if you are in need of any help in promoting your site with regards to Search Engines or if your company requires any Accounting help. I am currently living in Thailand and would like to assist you in any way I can. Please contact me 015151302 or on thailandtony@hotmail.com and we can discuss your immediate needs. Thank you and have a nice day. Tony Heller ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- Finance Manager / Accounting Consultant / LAN Administrator My name is Tony Heller and I am a 33-year-old Canadian male, presently living in Jomtien, Thailand. I am seeking employment as a Finance Manager or for contract work as an Independent Consultant for a company based in South East Asia. I am willing to re-locate anywhere in Thailand and would also consider a position in another South East Asian country. I recently moved to Thailand, largely as a result of September 11th, after eight years of living and working in Indonesia. (I worked for four years in Jakarta and another four in Bali.) I can speak Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian language) fluently. I am a Certified General Accountant and have a Finance Degree from the British Columbia Institute of Technology located in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I have held positions as both Finance Manager and Computer Consultant for several large companies in Asia. My primary roles have been consolidating accounting data and organizing that data into clear and precise Financial Statements that Managers, Directors and Owners can clearly understand. My past 3 years were spent building Bali System Development, a computer software company that focuses on writing software databases, multi media presentations and general LAN support issues. As an owner of that company with 30 programming staff, I have a great deal of experience with regard to most computerized accounting methods and solutions. I have especially worked extensively with ACCPAC, MYOB and Peachtree. Personal Information My Background I lived with my family in West Vancouver, B.C. Canada until I attended University. I was actively involved in many sports and excelled at soccer and gymnastics during my younger years. After high school, I worked on a kibbutz in Israel for 6 months and then backpacked through most of Asia, the Middle East and Europe. Upon my return to Vancouver in 1987, I enrolled, and completed my degree in the Finance Management program at The British Columbia Institute of Technology (B.C.I.T). After graduating, I enrolled in the final two-year program of the Certified General Accountants of Canada at night, and worked for Azcom Information Systems in Vancouver as a Network Engineer during the day. After passing the Certified Network Engineer Program, also at B.C.I.T., I was promoted to the role as LAN Administrator of the British Columbia Medical Association and was in charge of more than 400 personal computers running on a Novell network. In 1994, I decided to take my skills and expertise to Asia, and seek employment. I moved to Jakarta, Indonesia and started consulting for companies, generally helping them computerize their accounting systems, troubleshooting various LAN problems, and assisting in any Internet (Website) assistance required. In 1997 I left Jakarta to take on the position of Finance Manager for the Bali Golf and Country Club. I worked there for 1 1/2 years and decided to leave the position and open my own company. Bali didn't have any professional computer companies, at that time, so I opened Bali System Development. ("BSD") BSD grew from 4 programmers to 30 in two years. (Our clientele included more than 75 companies and individuals. Business was very good until September 11th. In November 2001, I moved my family to Pattaya, Thailand. BSD is still a functional company with 15 programmers and is currently being run by my partner. I, however, am now a silent partner and am seeking employment as either a Finance Manager or Accounting Consultant in South East Asia. I would also consider the position as a LAN Administrator or any position that utilizes my skills and expertise. I am willing to re-locate if necessary, on either a salaried or hourly contract work basis. I can utilize the programmers at Bali System Development to help with any necessary programming that may be required. If you have any further questions regarding my background, please email me. Education I spent my teenage years studying at Hillside Secondary School in West Vancouver, B.C. Canada. Shortly after graduation, in 1986, I attended The British Columbia Institute of Technology in Burnaby, B.C. I completed the Finance Management Program that gave me the required knowledge and school grades to have completed my third year of the Certified General Accountants of Canada program. The program was 2 years of full time study primarily based on both Accounting and Computers. I spent the next two years being educated during the day working as one of three Network Technicians on a 400 user Local Area Network and during the evenings taking courses to complete the C.G.A program in the evenings. Interests I really enjoy keeping up to date with software and utilities available on the Internet. I have a large collection of "gadgets" that can solve most computer difficulties or problems. I enjoy my MP3 music collection; play golf and tennis when I have time, and follow most professional sports with great interest. How I can assist you? My experience in owning a company has made me much more aware of the need in any business setting, to exercise practical judgment insofar as being cost effective and budget conscious is concerned. Essentially, I can assist you by being getting an assignment or task completed in a time efficient and professional manner. Accounting Consultancy As I am a Certified General Accountant and am very well versed with all Microsoft Office Programs, I am able to prepare reports and presentations requested by Senior Management. I have worked extensively with Tax Reporting, Payroll Management, Balance Sheets and Income Statements, Inventory and Stock Control and Job Costing. LAN Administration I have been an administrator of Local Area Networks (LANS) as small as two computers and as large as 400 pc's. I am very up to date with security issues within the LAN itself as well as Internet security in general. I have experience with : " Wide Area Networks, " Web servers " Mail servers " Exchange servers " Backup and media storage " Firewalls " Proxy Servers " Virus Protection Website Development & Management Over the past eight years, I have piloted the implementation and development of several static and dynamic websites, as well as web portals. I am quite proud of the overall look of the websites I have listed in this document. Within these websites you will find a combination of the following components. " ASP Programming " SQL Server Programming " Secure Online Payment Systems " Web Hosting " Search Engine Placement " Website Promotion " Flash Macromedia " Web based Email " Web Forums " Bandwidth Management " Website Marketing My Work History Accounting Consultancy I have assisted all of the following companies with their finances in one-way or another. I can give more details on a particular company if required. (Please note that the companies underlined below also have websites, with respect to which I have been consulted as well) " Gemdealers " Bali Golf and Country Club " Crystal Divers " Siemens " Bell Atlantic " Planet Hollywood " John Hardy Jewelry " Quicksilver " Bali Adventure Tours " Jani Silver " Amanusa Resorts " Banyan Tree Hotel Chain " Great Dividing Range " John Deere " Bio Systems Ltd. " Allstar's Caf? " Jazz Bar & Grille " Azcom Computer Systems " Maya Mandiri Gold " Bali Hai Cruises " Paul Turner Lighting " Bali Hai Cruises " Tropical Pools Bali " Sobek international Rafting " The Villas - Bali " Oberoi Hotel - Bali " Bali International Cricket Club " Kelana Website Development & Management I have managed the creation, design, implementation and upkeep of many websites over the past 10 years. I have listed 5 of the sites that I feel are my most impressive work. If you want to see additional sites I have worked with, please email me for a complete list. Tahiti1 (www.tahiti1.com) A very popular web portal that shows the use of several utilities that ensure clients are well taken care of. Examples include French and English, free email, automatic news updates, a forum and banner advertising control and management. Bali System Development (www.balisysdev.com) This is my own company's website that I managed. Inside this site are very good examples of flash, multimedia and graphics. There is also an online quotation system that asks a customer what they are interested in purchasing and calculates the totals for them. It then displays the results and then emails a copy directly to the person requesting the information. I don't see this facility on many websites. It is unique. Gemdealers.net (www.gemdealers.net) An extremely successful website that sells moissanite and includes an online payment system. This is a fantastic example of how proper search engine registration "pays off". Type Moissanite in virtually any search engine and you will see that Gemdealers.net is in the first results page. Wibowo Furniture (www.wibowocollection.com) A great example of a database-driven website that uses Microsoft SQL programming enabling the Webmaster to change products and prices inside a database, and then upload the new information instantaneously. Eyeline (www.eyeline.com.au) Eyeline is one of Australia's largest swimming wear companies. Another great example of how a database controls products and prices. I piloted this project from inception to its present day success. Contact me Tony Heller #309 - Supanee Towan Condominium's 391/22 M 10 Tuppraya Rd, Pattaya, Thailand 20260 Mobile Phone Number +6615151302 ICQ # 6240089 From gtts2 at cable.net.co Wed Aug 28 14:18:08 2002 From: gtts2 at cable.net.co (gtts2@cable.net.co) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Laser Printer Supplies. Message-ID: <5C875C57-0371-4B6F-B491-6F7120D9663A@OmsnND1U> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020828/a70bfd65/attachment.htm From scott at kungfuftr.com Wed Aug 28 16:48:59 2002 From: scott at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: New Module Message-ID: <20020828214859.GA30700@aslan.unite.net> hello, got a new module done but want you guys to give some feedback before i release it to CPAN. The link is here: http://kungfuftr.com/code/Data-Field-Validate/ thanks! -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020828/be8d6043/attachment.bin From dw at botanicus.net Thu Aug 29 02:27:49 2002 From: dw at botanicus.net (Dave Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: New Module In-Reply-To: <20020828214859.GA30700@aslan.unite.net> References: <20020828214859.GA30700@aslan.unite.net> Message-ID: <20020829082749.A323@dw> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:48:59PM +0100, Scott McWhirter wrote: > hello, > > got a new module done but want you guys to give some feedback before i > release it to CPAN. The link is here: > http://kungfuftr.com/code/Data-Field-Validate/ You might be interested in: http://botanicus.net/dw/tmp/libinvalid.php.txt It's basically the same sort of thing, except rules are hard-coded, it can generate an HTML "you screwed up your input" page, it has no internal error checking, oh wait, yeah, and it's written in PHP :] require('libinvalid.php'); $post_rules = array( 'name' => 'name;len:16', 'password' => 'len:32', 'foo' => 'empty' /* actually non-empty */ ); if ($errs = inval($_POST, $post_rules)) { $_inval_errlist['foo'] => 'Description of foo field'; $html = inval_errs_to_li($errs); foreach(file("errorpage.html") as $line) echo str_replace('$etxt', $html, $line); die(); } I gotskied carried away :/ From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Aug 29 03:30:10 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: New Module In-Reply-To: <20020828214859.GA30700@aslan.unite.net> References: <20020828214859.GA30700@aslan.unite.net> Message-ID: <20020829083010.GD24835@futureless.org> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:48:59PM +0100, Scott McWhirter wrote: > got a new module done but want you guys to give some feedback What's wrong with the existing tools that do this, and what differentiates this from them? Also, it'd be easier to see the distribution if you packaged it... Web browsers aren't the best things for reading text files... -- Russell Matbouli | SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! russell@futureless.org | Strength crushes enemies! SOY! PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't! > The link is here: http://kungfuftr.com/code/Data-Field-Validate/ > > thanks! > > > -- > -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- Thanks Duggie From karen at martian.org Thu Aug 29 10:00:04 2002 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Damian's Perl Mongers Talks Message-ID: <20020829150004.GA9624@soto.kasei.com> Hello, Damian Conway is in Belfast next week! He will be giving two talks to Belfast.pm. Perl 6 Q&A Tuesday 3rd September 7pm Quantum::Superpositions Thursday 4th September 7pm I still don't know where these will take place. As soon as I have this information I will post to the list. I would be grateful if you could let me know who is planning to attend. Thanks, Karen From karen at martian.org Thu Aug 29 10:07:58 2002 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: Damian's Perl Mongers Talks In-Reply-To: <20020829150004.GA9624@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020829150004.GA9624@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020829150758.GB9624@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Aug 29 16:00:04 2002, Karen Pauley wrote: > Hello, > > Damian Conway is in Belfast next week! He will be giving two talks to > Belfast.pm. > > Perl 6 Q&A Tuesday 3rd September 7pm > Quantum::Superpositions Thursday 4th September 7pm I've flipped. As Marc has pointed out the second talk is on Thursday 5th September. > > I still don't know where these will take place. As soon as I have this > information I will post to the list. > > I would be grateful if you could let me know who is planning to attend. > > Thanks, > > Karen > > From scott at kungfuftr.com Thu Aug 29 08:30:34 2002 From: scott at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: New Module In-Reply-To: <20020829132403.GA26790@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020828214859.GA30700@aslan.unite.net> <20020829083010.GD24835@futureless.org> <20020829132403.GA26790@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020829133034.GB4191@aslan.unite.net> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:24:03PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote: > > What's wrong with the existing tools that do this, and what > > differentiates this from them? > I was just going to ask that. simplicity and being able to easily integrate it into another module that will automatically handle form submissions. -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020829/1335b561/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Aug 29 10:17:34 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: New Module In-Reply-To: <20020829133034.GB4191@aslan.unite.net> References: <20020828214859.GA30700@aslan.unite.net> <20020829083010.GD24835@futureless.org> <20020829132403.GA26790@soto.kasei.com> <20020829133034.GB4191@aslan.unite.net> Message-ID: <20020829151734.GA19367@labac.net> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:30:34PM +0100, Scott McWhirter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:24:03PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote: > > > What's wrong with the existing tools that do this, and what > > > differentiates this from them? > > I was just going to ask that. > simplicity and being able to easily integrate it into another module > that will automatically handle form submissions. something like CGI::Untaint then? m. -- Matthew: Daddy, here are two guns.... Me: uh-huh... Matthew: ...for that man in the ballet dress. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Aug 29 10:51:24 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:47 2004 Subject: New Module In-Reply-To: <20020829133034.GB4191@aslan.unite.net> References: <20020828214859.GA30700@aslan.unite.net> <20020829083010.GD24835@futureless.org> <20020829132403.GA26790@soto.kasei.com> <20020829133034.GB4191@aslan.unite.net> Message-ID: <20020829155124.GA27855@futureless.org> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:30:34PM +0100, Scott McWhirter wrote: > simplicity and being able to easily integrate it into another module > that will automatically handle form submissions. And this differs from the existing modules how, exactly? From https://pause.perl.org/pause/query?ACTION=pause_04about#duties "Also: think carefully and honestly whether your module would be better off if it were integrated as an option into an already existing module. Sometimes it is for the best to put aside personal glory and join a collaborative effort: Perl itself is a good example of this. Contact the author of an existing module and ask whether your new features would fit into his framework. Even if you in the end decide to release the module as your very own, you really should know your 'competition', that is, know all the similar modules and the features they offer. Maybe you can learn from them, maybe you can help the users of your module better by giving them an overview about similar modules." -- Russell Matbouli | P.S. I think everyone thinks russell@futureless.org | everyone is an ass on this list. PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any more info, yes, feel free to mail me, on or off list, and ask! m. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Aug 30 06:00:37 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:48 2004 Subject: Damian Conway speaks to Belfast.pm In-Reply-To: <20020830103505.GB29249@labac.net> References: <20020830103505.GB29249@labac.net> Message-ID: <20020830110036.GA624@futureless.org> On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 11:35:05AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > This being a belfast.pm event, we need to raise some money for the hire > of the venue. This will be, of course, voluntary, but all contributions > will be gratefully received. All monies can be handed to me on the night > of attendance. How much money do we need to raise for the venue? -- Russell Matbouli | Jam your brain with broken heros russell@futureless.org | Love your masks and adore your failure PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A nice little housewife Who'll give me a steady life And won't keep going off the rails -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From tony at kasei.com Fri Aug 30 10:38:19 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:48 2004 Subject: Books For Review Message-ID: <20020830153819.GA30065@soto.kasei.com> We have some books for review. Manning have sent us: Extending and Embedding Perl Sams have sent us: Perl Developer's Dictionary mod_perl Developer's Cookbook Teach Yourself Perl in 21 Days Marty has already claimed the first one. If anyone wants to review any of the Sams ones, I'll bring them to the talks next week. Tony From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Aug 30 10:41:56 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:48 2004 Subject: [OT] Any (Java|J|ECMA)Script book recommendations Message-ID: <20020830154156.GC2440@futureless.org> I've been using this a bit in my daily work, but don't have any books on it. Can anyone recommend a good book or online resource on the subject? -- Russell Matbouli | Jam your brain with broken heros russell@futureless.org | Love your masks and adore your failure PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tony From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Aug 30 11:28:39 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:48 2004 Subject: Books For Review In-Reply-To: <20020830162354.GA31558@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020830153819.GA30065@soto.kasei.com> <20020830155907.GA2593@futureless.org> <20020830162354.GA31558@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020830162839.GA2804@futureless.org> On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 05:23:54PM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > Only if you review it ... Yes, I assumed that was the whole point of getting books for review :) -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | I am Jack's smirking revenge PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Fri Aug 30 16:38:13 2002 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:48 2004 Subject: Books For Review In-Reply-To: <20020830153819.GA30065@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020830153819.GA30065@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020830213813.GB9661@deeden.co.uk> On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 04:38:19PM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > > Sams have sent us: > Perl Developer's Dictionary I don't know what it is, but I'm willing to learn. If no-one else wants it, I'll take it in Thursday (I won't be at Tuesdays talk). Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Dotcom Optionaire From tony at kasei.com Sat Aug 31 03:44:53 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:48 2004 Subject: Books For Review In-Reply-To: <20020830213638.GA9661@deeden.co.uk> References: <20020830153819.GA30065@soto.kasei.com> <20020830155907.GA2593@futureless.org> <20020830213638.GA9661@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020831084453.GA4788@soto.kasei.com> On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 10:36:38PM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > > > mod_perl Developer's Cookbook > > Can I borrow this one? > damn, beaten to it :( > I'll get you next time gadget, next time... Well, there's no reason whatsoever that you can't take it after him, and write a second review of it! Multiple reviews of the same book is a good thing! Tony From tony at kasei.com Sat Aug 31 03:43:43 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:48 2004 Subject: Books For Review In-Reply-To: <20020830213813.GB9661@deeden.co.uk> References: <20020830153819.GA30065@soto.kasei.com> <20020830213813.GB9661@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020831084343.GA4653@soto.kasei.com> On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 10:38:13PM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 04:38:19PM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > > Perl Developer's Dictionary > I don't know what it is, but I'm willing to learn. If no-one else wants > it, I'll take it in Thursday (I won't be at Tuesdays talk). Done. It's mostly a reference book. On the surface it seems reasonably OK, but I'd like someone to actually dig into it and see how it stacks up against the Camel etc... Tony