From tony at kasei.com Sat Sep 1 04:48:50 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Class::DBI 0.28 Message-ID: <20010901104850.A16980@blackstar.co.uk> Version 0.28 of Class::DBI, a class-based database abstraction layer, is now on the CPAN. This is mostly a bugfix / internal reshuffling release. New Features ------------ - hasa_list(), to associate (for example) a Film with many Actors Bug Fixes --------- - you can now use mk_accessors without it thinking those are database fields - columns() now works properly with inherited classes - auto_increments now work properly with move() and copy() Tony -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Bowden | tony@tmtm.com | http://www.tmtm.com/ we barely have time to react in this world let alone rehearse -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sat Sep 1 05:47:47 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Class::DBI 0.28 In-Reply-To: <20010901104850.A16980@blackstar.co.uk>; from Tony Bowden on Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 10:48:50AM +0100 References: <20010901104850.A16980@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010901114747.A30247@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 10:48:50AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > - auto_increments now work properly with move() and copy() hurrah! been awaitn' for that a wet m. but hey, it is worth getting a bit wet. the open road, the buddabuddabudda of the classic single british bike beneath you....the buddha found in every screw bolted onto the frame....the freedom... From tony at kasei.com Sat Sep 1 05:53:51 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Class::DBI 0.28 In-Reply-To: <20010901114747.A30247@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 11:47:47AM +0100 References: <20010901104850.A16980@blackstar.co.uk> <20010901114747.A30247@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010901115351.A25748@blackstar.co.uk> On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 11:47:47AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 10:48:50AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > > - auto_increments now work properly with move() and copy() > hurrah! been awaitn' for that You should also have been waiting for: : columns() now works properly with inherited classes as that was the cause of great difficulties with Shop::BasketItem::Gift or Shop::Basket::GiftItem, or whatever it was. Which was tied in some way to that BOGOF fix. But I'm guessing no-one's ever going to try to finish all that stuff off now anyway... > a wet m. but hey, it is worth getting a bit wet. the open road, the > buddabuddabudda of the classic single british bike beneath you....the > buddha found in every screw bolted onto the frame....the freedom... I preferred Lila myself. Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sat Sep 1 07:01:37 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Class::DBI 0.28 In-Reply-To: <20010901115351.A25748@blackstar.co.uk>; from Tony Bowden on Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 11:53:51AM +0100 References: <20010901104850.A16980@blackstar.co.uk> <20010901114747.A30247@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010901115351.A25748@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010901130137.A30920@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 11:53:51AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > You should also have been waiting for: > > : columns() now works properly with inherited classes Ah, but that is no use to me at home, as I don't have any inherited classes. Yet. haven't seen the need in the odd bits and pieces I cobble. > > I preferred Lila myself. > I an rereading ZATAOMM atm, and it is maybe affecting it more than it did when I was young(er). I bought Lila, but to my dying shame I never got round to reading it. So what do we hold higher, morals or values? m. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Sep 5 11:26:40 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: test and greetings Message-ID: <20010905172640.I23732@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Test. And how was it for you? sorry I couldn't be there, my grandad died yesterday. m. From steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk Wed Sep 5 11:32:44 2001 From: steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: test and greetings In-Reply-To: <20010905172640.I23732@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:26:40PM +0100 References: <20010905172640.I23732@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010905173244.A28162@blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:26:40PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > Test. > > And how was it for you? sorry I couldn't be there, my grandad died > yesterday. My commiserations. Apologies for my spelling. So where did the messages for the last few days go? Umm Steve From perl at kasei.com Wed Sep 5 11:54:14 2001 From: perl at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: [dave@dave.org.uk: RE: Re: Book Reviews Again] Message-ID: <20010905175414.B30123@phobos.kasei.com> ----- Forwarded message from Dave Cross ----- Very happy for you to have it, but for future reference it's probably worth cam.pm signing up for their own freebies by becoming an officially recognised O'Reilly User Group. You should fill in the form at . This goes for other satellite groups that haven't yet worked out the secret (you listening Barbie?) ----- End forwarded message ----- So, anyone going to sign up to this? -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 220 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20010905/a1329da7/attachment.bin From steve at blackstar.co.uk Wed Sep 5 12:04:35 2001 From: steve at blackstar.co.uk (steve@blackstar.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: [dave@dave.org.uk: RE: Re: Book Reviews Again] In-Reply-To: <20010905175414.B30123@phobos.kasei.com>; from perl@kasei.com on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:54:14PM +0100 References: <20010905175414.B30123@phobos.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010905180435.A1891@blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:54:14PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Dave Cross ----- > > Very happy for you to have it, but for future reference it's > probably worth cam.pm signing up for their own freebies by becoming > an officially recognised O'Reilly User Group. You should fill > in the form at . > > This goes for other satellite groups that haven't yet worked > out the secret (you listening Barbie?) > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > So, anyone going to sign up to this? Andrew got Tony to do it yesterday :) As you're so interested do you fancy writing a review of something and I'll put it on the website (which I'm working on)? Subtle, eh? Steve From tony at kasei.com Sun Sep 9 13:37:44 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: Class::DBI 0.32 Message-ID: <20010909193744.A30186@soto.kasei.com> Class::DBI 0.32 is currently available from my CPAN directory: http://www.tmtm.com/CPAN/Class-DBI-0.32.tar.gz It provides one new feature - cascading deletes. Now, calling delete() on any instance of a class which has had a relationship set up using hasa_list(), will trigger a recursive delete of those foreign rows. As this relationship is only set up on relationships where the foreign table stores this table's primary key in one of its columns, this should be perfectly safe, and should not have any unwanted effects. (In fact the absence of this feature may lead to orphaned rows in the foreign tables). I'll give it a few days before uploading to CPAN. Thanks, Tony From andrew at rivendale.net Mon Sep 10 05:24:10 2001 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: It's me did u see this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010910112410.B2080@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Mon, Sep 09, 2024 at 11:21:59AM +0000, brian911@pop.net wrote: > useless spam message snipped. Is this not a subscriber only list? If not can we make it one. I just installed a spam filter and really don't want to be getting spam at list addresses I "trust". cheers Andrew From schwern at pobox.com Wed Sep 12 02:38:31 2001 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: [Poop-group] Class::DBI 0.32 In-Reply-To: <20010909193744.A30186@soto.kasei.com> References: <20010909193744.A30186@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010912093831.F551@blackrider> On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 07:37:44PM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > As this relationship is only set up on relationships where the > foreign table stores this table's primary key in one of its > columns, this should be perfectly safe, and should not have any > unwanted effects. (In fact the absence of this feature may lead > to orphaned rows in the foreign tables). (Thinking this through) Ok, so that's a one-to-many relationship. Ummm, I'm trying to think of a good example... one person, many email addresses. If the person goes away, their email addresses should, but not vice-versa. Right. And a many-to-many relationship would have to be modeled with a link table, so that's not a problem. I think that'll work. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl6 Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One That which stirs me, stirs everything. -- Squonk Opera, "Spoon" From tony at kasei.com Wed Sep 12 05:01:42 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: [Poop-group] Class::DBI 0.32 In-Reply-To: <20010912093831.F551@blackrider> References: <20010909193744.A30186@soto.kasei.com> <20010912093831.F551@blackrider> Message-ID: <20010912110142.A389@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 09:38:31AM +0200, Michael G Schwern wrote: > (Thinking [cascading deletes] through) > Ok, so that's a one-to-many relationship. Ummm, I'm trying to think > of a good example... one person, many email addresses. If the person > goes away, their email addresses should, but not vice-versa. Right. > And a many-to-many relationship would have to be modeled with a link > table, so that's not a problem. > I think that'll work. hasa + has_list works very well with many-to-many For example, some client work I did recently handled a sock database (don't ask!): So, for the 3 tables: sock (id, name, yada, yada, yada); colour (colourid, name, etc.); colour_xref (xrefid, sockid, colour); we set up: package Sock; use base 'SockDBI'; Sock->set_up_table('sock'); Sock->hasa_list('ColourXref', ['sockid'], 'colours'); package ColourXref; use base 'SockDBI'; ColourXref->hasa('SockColour', 'colour'); sub number { shift->colour->colourid } sub name { shift->colour->name } We can ask for $sock->colours, and then we do a $sock->delete it also deletes all the ColourXrefs for that sock, but doesn't delete the colour record, which should survive even if there are no socks of that colour currently... All works wonderfully. Throw some Template::Toolkit into the equation and designers can be passed a sock, and iterate over the colours etc. Tony From schwern at pobox.com Thu Sep 13 05:08:11 2001 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: [Poop-group] Class::DBI 0.32 In-Reply-To: <20010912110142.A389@soto.kasei.com> References: <20010909193744.A30186@soto.kasei.com> <20010912093831.F551@blackrider> <20010912110142.A389@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010913120811.R717@blackrider> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 11:01:42AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > So, for the 3 tables: > > sock (id, name, yada, yada, yada); > colour (colourid, name, etc.); > colour_xref (xrefid, sockid, colour); > > we set up: > > package Sock; > use base 'SockDBI'; > Sock->set_up_table('sock'); > Sock->hasa_list('ColourXref', ['sockid'], 'colours'); > > package ColourXref; > use base 'SockDBI'; > ColourXref->hasa('SockColour', 'colour'); > sub number { shift->colour->colourid } > sub name { shift->colour->name } > > We can ask for $sock->colours, and then we do a $sock->delete it also > deletes all the ColourXrefs for that sock, but doesn't delete the colour > record, which should survive even if there are no socks of that colour > currently... Oh, neat! Except you spelt color wrong. I don't have a copy of 0.32 handy (no net connection), is this solution to the many-to-many problem in the tutorial? > All works wonderfully. Throw some Template::Toolkit into the equation and > designers can be passed a sock, and iterate over the colours etc. Ahh! A clever solution to the age old "What color socks should I wear today?" -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl6 Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One "Let's face it," said bearded Rusty Simmons, opening a can after the race. "This is a good excuse to drink some beer." At 10:30 in the morning? "Well, it's past noon in Dublin," said teammate Mike [Joseph] Schwern. "It's our duty." -- "Sure, and It's a Great Day for Irish Runners" Newsday, Sunday, March 20, 1988 From tony at kasei.com Fri Sep 14 04:00:25 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: [Poop-group] Class::DBI 0.32 In-Reply-To: <20010913120811.R717@blackrider> References: <20010909193744.A30186@soto.kasei.com> <20010912093831.F551@blackrider> <20010912110142.A389@soto.kasei.com> <20010913120811.R717@blackrider> Message-ID: <20010914100025.A24022@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 12:08:11PM +0200, Michael G Schwern wrote: > I don't have a copy of 0.32 handy (no net connection), is > this solution to the many-to-many problem in the tutorial? Not yet. I hadn't even spotted it when I last updated the tutorial... and was still coding around it by hand. Kudos to Andrew for noticing it. Tony -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Bowden | tony@tmtm.com | http://www.tmtm.com/ If I'm feigning coherence and calmness Laugh with me -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at kasei.com Sat Sep 15 08:29:25 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Class::DBI 0.33 Message-ID: <20010915142925.A4891@soto.kasei.com> The preview of Class::DBI 0.33 is currently available from http://www.tmtm.com/CPAN/Class-DBI-0.33.tar.gz It has several new features: 1) copy() and move() now allow you to change multiple values in passing, not just the primary key 2) We now have a retrieve_all() method which returns you an object for each row in the table. 3) This is achieved trivially through a new create_filter() method, which makes it much easier to set up searches. This is not yet documented in the Tutorial, as I'm still not 100% on it. Comments very welcome... 4) The Tutorial does, however, now have a section on setting up many-to-many relationships by combining hasa() and hasa_list(). Again, I'll give it a few days for feedback, and testing on a variety of other platforms, before uploading to CPAN. Thanks, Tony -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Bowden | tony@tmtm.com | http://www.tmtm.com/ the woods are lovely, dark, and deep, but I have promises to keep -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From liyang at nerv.cx Sun Sep 16 04:12:30 2001 From: liyang at nerv.cx (Liyang Hu) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: Perl extended regexp problems... Message-ID: <20010916101230.A17162@srcf.ucam.org> Hi, liyang@sakura:~$ echo -e "foobar\ncowbar\ncowmoo" \ | perl -ne 'print if /(?; from liyang@nerv.cx on Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 10:12:30AM +0100 References: <20010916101230.A17162@srcf.ucam.org> Message-ID: <20010916085133.A84577@paat.pair.com> On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 10:12:30AM +0100, Liyang Hu wrote: > liyang@sakura:~$ echo -e "foobar\ncowbar\ncowmoo" \ > | perl -ne 'print if /(? foobar > cowbar > liyang@sakura:~$ > > Why? > > I've read the FM, and my interpretation of that pattern is ``match > all occurrences of `bar' not immediately prefixed by `cow'.'' > Shouldn't the answer be just `foobar'? > > How am I supposed to do this? (given the constraint that you've > only got one regex to accomplish the task...) Do you have a superfluous equals sign in there...? /(?; from wesley@yelsew.com on Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 08:51:33AM -0400 References: <20010916101230.A17162@srcf.ucam.org> <20010916085133.A84577@paat.pair.com> Message-ID: <20010916144858.A16839@srcf.ucam.org> Hi, On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 08:51:33AM -0400, Wesley Darlington wrote: > On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 10:12:30AM +0100, Liyang Hu wrote: > > echo -e "foobar\ncowbar\ncowmoo" | perl -ne 'print if /(? Do you have a superfluous equals sign in there...? /(? References: <20010916101230.A17162@srcf.ucam.org> <20010916085133.A84577@paat.pair.com> <20010916144858.A16839@srcf.ucam.org> Message-ID: <20010916145742.A679@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 02:48:58PM +0100, Liyang Hu wrote: > ----8<---- > > 4.6.8 Extended Regular Expressions > > (? > A zero-width negative lookbehind assertion. For example, > /(? follow "bad". This only works for fixed-width lookbehind. > > ----8<---- > > Grr... This is the last time I read the FM. -_- Wrong FM perldoc perlre is your friend. cheers Andrew From bazza at bazza.com Mon Sep 17 06:39:49 2001 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl Message-ID: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> Hiyas, just playing around with mod_perl, for something to do at nights when I'm away (yay, a cross atlantic flight after last week .. sigh) and I have it running in a few places now .. however there's a PerlSendHeader thingie that doesn't seem to do anything when I set it to On, or Off, its always sending a header by itself, meaning my old cgis that are sending headers are printing them to the browser, which isn't fun, any hints on what to do to fix it? cheers -- -Barry Hughes It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. http://bazza.com/ From wesley at yelsew.com Tue Sep 18 05:21:13 2001 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 12:39:49PM +0100 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 12:39:49PM +0100, barry wrote: > Hiyas, just playing around with mod_perl, for something to do at nights when > I'm away (yay, a cross atlantic flight after last week .. sigh) and I have it > running in a few places now .. however there's a PerlSendHeader thingie that > doesn't seem to do anything when I set it to On, or Off, its always sending a > header by itself, meaning my old cgis that are sending headers are printing > them to the browser, which isn't fun, any hints on what to do to fix it? Turn it off. And restart apache. Wesley. -- There's more to mod_perl than just Apache::Registry. From bazza at bazza.com Tue Sep 18 05:44:28 2001 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com>; from wesley@yelsew.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 06:21:13AM -0400 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> Message-ID: <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 06:21:13AM -0400, Wesley Darlington mumbled: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 12:39:49PM +0100, barry wrote: > > Hiyas, just playing around with mod_perl, for something to do at nights when > > I'm away (yay, a cross atlantic flight after last week .. sigh) and I have it > > running in a few places now .. however there's a PerlSendHeader thingie that > > doesn't seem to do anything when I set it to On, or Off, its always sending a > > header by itself, meaning my old cgis that are sending headers are printing > > them to the browser, which isn't fun, any hints on what to do to fix it? > Turn it off. And restart apache. SetHandler perl-script PerlHandler Apache::Registry PerlModule DBI CGI PerlSendHeader off Options +ExecCGI dunno if you mean that by off, or removing that part altogether > There's more to mod_perl than just Apache::Registry. I'm aware of that, but I need a starting point, this is something to do while on holiday, not something I need to get drilled into my head in short space of time -- -Barry Hughes A Lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me. I'm afraid of widths - Steve Wright http://bazza.com/ From wesley at yelsew.com Tue Sep 18 06:21:17 2001 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:44:28AM +0100 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:44:28AM +0100, barry wrote: > > SetHandler perl-script > PerlHandler Apache::Registry > PerlModule DBI CGI > PerlSendHeader off > Options +ExecCGI > > dunno if you mean that by off, or removing that part altogether Remove it altogether, if you haven't already. Do you have any other references to that directive anywhere else? I have a notion that a thingy might be a better, but that's probably just silly. ATB, Wesley. From bazza at bazza.com Tue Sep 18 06:45:56 2001 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com>; from wesley@yelsew.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 07:21:17AM -0400 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> Message-ID: <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 07:21:17AM -0400, Wesley Darlington mumbled: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:44:28AM +0100, barry wrote: > > > > SetHandler perl-script > > PerlHandler Apache::Registry > > PerlModule DBI CGI > > PerlSendHeader off > > Options +ExecCGI > > > > dunno if you mean that by off, or removing that part altogether > Remove it altogether, if you haven't already. Do you have any other > references to that directive anywhere else? I have a notion that a > thingy might be a better, but that's probably just silly. 100+ 12:43pm bazza@taurus:~>grep -c SendHeader /etc/apache/httpd.conf 0 my cgi (exactly the same as http://bazza.com/ right now) does this to print a header print <<"END"; Content-Type: text/html END (etc) but the Content-Type line is being printed to the browser .. unless debian's default apache + libapache-mod-perl install is doing summat weird -- -Barry Hughes It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. http://bazza.com/ From wesley at yelsew.com Tue Sep 18 08:00:41 2001 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:45:56PM +0100 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20010918090041.A36754@paat.pair.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:45:56PM +0100, barry wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 07:21:17AM -0400, Wesley Darlington mumbled: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:44:28AM +0100, barry wrote: > > > > > > SetHandler perl-script > > > PerlHandler Apache::Registry > > > PerlModule DBI CGI > > > PerlSendHeader off > > > Options +ExecCGI > > > > > > dunno if you mean that by off, or removing that part altogether > > Remove it altogether, if you haven't already. Do you have any other > > references to that directive anywhere else? I have a notion that a > > thingy might be a better, but that's probably just silly. > > 100+ 12:43pm bazza@taurus:~>grep -c SendHeader /etc/apache/httpd.conf > 0 Does debian's apache use just the one config file? > my cgi (exactly the same as http://bazza.com/ right now) does this to print a > header > > print <<"END"; > Content-Type: text/html > > > END > (etc) > > but the Content-Type line is being printed to the browser .. unless debian's > default apache + libapache-mod-perl install is doing summat weird Is your script definitely being run under Apache::Registry? Could you post (perhaps a link to) your script's source? Could you try putting the script under some directory and Apache::Registry-enabling that with a header? Wesley. From bazza at bazza.com Tue Sep 18 08:04:40 2001 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918090041.A36754@paat.pair.com>; from wesley@yelsew.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 09:00:41AM -0400 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com> <20010918090041.A36754@paat.pair.com> Message-ID: <20010918140440.A16348@bazza.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 09:00:41AM -0400, Wesley Darlington mumbled: > Does debian's apache use just the one config file? under Woody, yes, which is what that is > Is your script definitely being run under Apache::Registry? > Could you post (perhaps a link to) your script's source? > Could you try putting the script under some directory and > Apache::Registry-enabling that with a header? how can I check that it's being run under that? when I remover the mod_perl configuration stuff, it works correctly :) the same thing happens on a simple test script, like this #!/usr/bin/perl -w ######################## print "Content-Type: text/plain\n\n"; print "$< $>\n\n"; foreach(sort keys %ENV) { print "$_ = $ENV{$_}\n"; } -- -Barry Hughes After watching my newly-retired dad spend two weeks learning how to make a new folder, it became obvious that "intuitive" mostly means "what the writer or speaker of intuitive likes". (Bruce Ediger, bediger@teal.csn.org, in comp.os.linux.misc, on X the intuitiveness of a Mac interface.) http://bazza.com/ From bazza at bazza.com Tue Sep 18 08:09:49 2001 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918140440.A16348@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:04:40PM +0100 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com> <20010918090041.A36754@paat.pair.com> <20010918140440.A16348@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20010918140949.A16439@bazza.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:04:40PM +0100, barry mumbled: > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > ######################## > > print "Content-Type: text/plain\n\n"; > > print "$< $>\n\n"; > foreach(sort keys %ENV) { > print "$_ = $ENV{$_}\n"; > } I tell a lie, this script isn't working at all now while called .cgi, but is while called .pl, but is still buggering up .. the directive I pasted for *.cgi is cloned for *.pl, and neither have AddHandler cgi-script setup for them -- -Barry Hughes I like work, it's fascinating, I can sit and look at it for hours on end http://bazza.com/ From wesley at yelsew.com Tue Sep 18 08:53:16 2001 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918140440.A16348@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:04:40PM +0100 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com> <20010918090041.A36754@paat.pair.com> <20010918140440.A16348@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20010918095316.A40773@paat.pair.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:04:40PM +0100, barry wrote: > how can I check that it's being run under that? when I remover the mod_perl > configuration stuff, it works correctly :) the same thing happens on a simple > test script, like this > print "Content-Type: text/plain\n\n"; > print "$< $>\n\n"; > foreach(sort keys %ENV) { > print "$_ = $ENV{$_}\n"; > } Do you see an environment variable named MOD_PERL? What do you get when you telnet to port 80 and request the file by hand? Finally, what happens with PerlSendHeader On? Wesley. From bazza at bazza.com Tue Sep 18 08:39:12 2001 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: laptop In-Reply-To: ; from sleepy_uk@hotmail.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 01:37:53PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20010918143912.A16921@bazza.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 01:37:53PM +0000, Scott McWhirter mumbled: > hey there, > You were telling me a while ago that you were thinking about selling your > vaio laptop. Is this still the case and if so how much. > ta! you're a bit late, it was sold within days of getting my Thinkpad .. in june -- -Barry Hughes It's not an optical illusion, it just looks that way. http://bazza.com/ From bazza at bazza.com Tue Sep 18 09:40:40 2001 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918152904.A17415@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com> <20010918090041.A36754@paat.pair.com> <20010918140440.A16348@bazza.com> <20010918095316.A40773@paat.pair.com> <20010918152904.A17415@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20010918154040.A17672@bazza.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, barry mumbled: > > Do you see an environment variable named MOD_PERL? > yes > > What do you get when you telnet to port 80 and request the file by hand? > > Finally, what happens with PerlSendHeader On? > Hmmmm, I just turned PerlSendHeader back on, to show this stuff for you, and > .. Uh, now it's doing what it should, i.e. the Header is being sent to the > browser by something, the one the cgi is sending isn't being shown, and the > page looks like what it should ... I'm lost :) further, pages running with the mod_perl stuff are being excuted as the webserver, I assume this is normal under mod_perl, but I generally have them suexec to run as the owner, this may well be something I come across in my reading of docs and stuff while doing actual rewrites of the code to start taking proper advantage of things -- -Barry Hughes Mos Eisley Spaceport; you'll not find a more wretched collection of villainy and disreputable types... -- Obi-wan Kenobi, "Star Wars" http://bazza.com/ From wesley at yelsew.com Tue Sep 18 10:37:50 2001 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918154040.A17672@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:40:40PM +0100 References: <20010917123949.A27947@bazza.com> <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com> <20010918090041.A36754@paat.pair.com> <20010918140440.A16348@bazza.com> <20010918095316.A40773@paat.pair.com> <20010918152904.A17415@bazza.com> <20010918154040.A17672@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20010918113750.A54642@paat.pair.com> Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:40:40PM +0100, barry wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, barry mumbled: > > > Do you see an environment variable named MOD_PERL? > > yes Oh good. > > > What do you get when you telnet to port 80 and request the file by hand? > > > Finally, what happens with PerlSendHeader On? > > Hmmmm, I just turned PerlSendHeader back on, to show this stuff for you, and > > .. Uh, now it's doing what it should, i.e. the Header is being sent to the > > browser by something, the one the cgi is sending isn't being shown, and the > > page looks like what it should ... I'm lost :) Aye, thought it might. Went away and read up again on PerlSendHeader just before sent last message. Hence suggestion to try "On". It's quite unintuitive (IMHO) and not a little bit devious. If you were sending headers with CGI functions/methods instead of "by hand", you'd probably have been OK. AIUI, if Off, apache assumes you're not sending headers by hand and makes some up for you. With CGI and $r-> methods you can change them. If On, apache scans your script's output for headers and normalises them and/or sticks in ones you're missing. Apache et al seem to have the odd notion that it's *their* responsibility to ensure correctness of HTTP headers. :-) > further, pages running with the mod_perl stuff are being excuted as the > webserver, I assume this is normal under mod_perl, Yes. This is normal... > but I generally have them > suexec to run as the owner, this may well be something I come across in my > reading of docs and stuff while doing actual rewrites of the code to start > taking proper advantage of things ...and even required. The whole point of mod_perl is that all perl runs *inside* the apache process handling the HTTP request. If you require your code not to run as the apache user, mod_perl is not the api you're looking for. Move along. :-) Wesley. From bazza at bazza.com Tue Sep 18 11:24:17 2001 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918113750.A54642@paat.pair.com>; from wesley@yelsew.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:37:50AM -0400 References: <20010918062113.A23448@paat.pair.com> <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com> <20010918090041.A36754@paat.pair.com> <20010918140440.A16348@bazza.com> <20010918095316.A40773@paat.pair.com> <20010918152904.A17415@bazza.com> <20010918154040.A17672@bazza.com> <20010918113750.A54642@paat.pair.com> Message-ID: <20010918172417.A19009@bazza.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:37:50AM -0400, Wesley Darlington mumbled: > Apache et al seem to have the odd notion that it's *their* responsibility > to ensure correctness of HTTP headers. :-) *sigh* > > further, pages running with the mod_perl stuff are being excuted as the > > webserver, I assume this is normal under mod_perl, > Yes. This is normal... > > but I generally have them > > suexec to run as the owner, this may well be something I come across in my > > reading of docs and stuff while doing actual rewrites of the code to start > > taking proper advantage of things > ...and even required. The whole point of mod_perl is that all perl runs > *inside* the apache process handling the HTTP request. If you require > your code not to run as the apache user, mod_perl is not the api > you're looking for. Move along. :-) that's alright, I can deal with my scripts running a user that doesn't matter much to anything, they're generally not reliant on being me, just some of the other stuff I host is a bit more .. cheers for your help wes anyone else notice this list being bloody slow? am sitting here, stephen's telling me that someone's replied to my message here, and it's another half an hour before I get it ... -- -Barry Hughes After watching my newly-retired dad spend two weeks learning how to make a new folder, it became obvious that "intuitive" mostly means "what the writer or speaker of intuitive likes". (Bruce Ediger, bediger@teal.csn.org, in comp.os.linux.misc, on X the intuitiveness of a Mac interface.) http://bazza.com/ From wesley at yelsew.com Tue Sep 18 12:46:00 2001 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010918172417.A19009@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:24:17PM +0100 References: <20010918114428.A14263@bazza.com> <20010918072117.A28114@paat.pair.com> <20010918124556.A15205@bazza.com> <20010918090041.A36754@paat.pair.com> <20010918140440.A16348@bazza.com> <20010918095316.A40773@paat.pair.com> <20010918152904.A17415@bazza.com> <20010918154040.A17672@bazza.com> <20010918113750.A54642@paat.pair.com> <20010918172417.A19009@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20010918134600.A73840@paat.pair.com> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:24:17PM +0100, barry wrote: > anyone else notice this list being bloody slow? am sitting here, stephen's > telling me that someone's replied to my message here, and it's another half an > hour before I get it ... Yes, this *is* quite annoying. I imagine @pm.org tends to be fairly busy... Wesley. From steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk Sat Sep 22 16:03:07 2001 From: steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: Possible website? Message-ID: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> Well I've put up a possible candidate for the Belfast.pm website at http://www.deeden.co.uk/belfastpm/ Various pages are there and others are empty (notably the front page). Let me know what you think and whether it works in your browser or not. There are still a couple of things to sort out, such as getting the html through w3cs html validator. bye for now Steve From andrew-dated-1001632794.aad82f at rivendale.net Sat Sep 22 18:19:53 2001 From: andrew-dated-1001632794.aad82f at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: Possible website? In-Reply-To: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010923001953.A20658@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:03:07PM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > Well I've put up a possible candidate for the Belfast.pm website at > > http://www.deeden.co.uk/belfastpm/ > > Various pages are there and others are empty (notably the front page). > Let me know what you think and whether it works in your browser or not. > > There are still a couple of things to sort out, such as getting the html > through w3cs html validator. Hi Steve, That looks really good, no problems on opera or w3m. I particularly like the sparse really clean look, no mindless clutter. Super. Marc also has a module on CPAN I believe, you should add his name to the modules list. One small point, all you lot that said you were going to do some reviews, where are they then? are they there yet? are they there yet? are they there yet? cheers Andrew From tony at kasei.com Sun Sep 23 05:06:02 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: Possible website? In-Reply-To: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk>; from steve-pmbelfast@blackstar.co.uk on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:03:07PM +0100 References: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010923110602.A31814@blackstar.co.uk> On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:03:07PM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > Well I've put up a possible candidate for the Belfast.pm website at > http://www.deeden.co.uk/belfastpm/ I like it. What about a 'previous meetings' section? you may wish to add a 'one' to: "Just ring the buzzer and some will let you in" too ... Tony From tony at kasei.com Sun Sep 23 05:06:31 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: [deniseo@oreilly.com: Newsletter #10 from O'Reilly UG Program] Message-ID: <20010923110630.A1872@soto.kasei.com> ----- Forwarded message from Denise Olliffe ----- O'Reilly User Group Program NEWSLETTER Volume 1, #10 Thanks to so many of you for sending me a note to let me know how you are. I received responses from people that haven't contacted me in almost a year! It meant so much to be able to hear your thoughts, and get to know you better. I truly enjoy working with all of you. HIGHLIGHTS THIS WEEK... 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For more info on the event and other vendors: http://www.ncmug.org/mce01/index.html For other O'Reilly events, go to: http://events.oreilly.com/ Until next week, --Denise ----- End forwarded message ----- From karen at kasei.com Sun Sep 23 07:41:41 2001 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:11 2004 Subject: Possible website? In-Reply-To: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010923134141.A2667@soto.kasei.com> On Sat Sep 22 22:03:07 2001, Steve Rushe wrote: > Well I've put up a possible candidate for the Belfast.pm website at > > http://www.deeden.co.uk/belfastpm/ > I like it :) I notice that the next meeting is supposed to be on Tuesday 2nd October. I have been looking into getting a venue for this. I'll let you know as soon as I have one. -- Karen From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sun Sep 23 09:33:37 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Parrot assembly, CPAN modules and Book reviews was Re: Possible website? In-Reply-To: <20010923001953.A20658@gandalf.rivendale.net>; from Andrew Wilson on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 12:19:53AM +0100 References: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> <20010923001953.A20658@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20010923153337.A10419@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 12:19:53AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Super. Marc also has a module on CPAN I believe, you should add his > name to the modules list. It will be when I get a response from a few other CPAN Astro authors out there. Give it a week or two and by then I will have it done, tests and all......(in between my parrot assembling! hurrah! No, therein *does not* lie a talk. I am still reading the docs....) > > One small point, all you lot that said you were going to do some > reviews, where are they then? are they there yet? are they there > yet? are they there yet? > My review of 'See MIPS run' will be sent to the webmaster tonight. Tho we all know how good my english composition is......so don't be suprised when you see it..... m. -- Isn't it nice? Sugar and spice Leading Disco Dollies to a Life of vice From andrew-dated-1001688122.da6736 at rivendale.net Sun Sep 23 09:42:02 2001 From: andrew-dated-1001688122.da6736 at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Parrot assembly, CPAN modules and Book reviews was Re: Possible website? In-Reply-To: <20010923153337.A10419@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> <20010923001953.A20658@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20010923153337.A10419@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010923154202.A22999@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 03:33:37PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 12:19:53AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > > Super. Marc also has a module on CPAN I believe, you should add his > > name to the modules list. > > It will be when I get a response from a few other CPAN Astro authors out > there. Give it a week or two and by then I will have it done, tests and > all......(in between my parrot assembling! hurrah! No, therein *does > not* lie a talk. I am still reading the docs....) Yay, cool. I look forward to seeing it. I also have a module in simailar order which will be going up after I've got my OU stuff done (I need to figure out make file and MANIFESTS and things and haven't got time). So when will your parrot talk be ready then, we'll pencil you in for November shall we? > > One small point, all you lot that said you were going to do some > > reviews, where are they then? are they there yet? are they there > > yet? are they there yet? > > My review of 'See MIPS run' will be sent to the webmaster tonight. Tho > we all know how good my english composition is......so don't be suprised > when you see it..... Excellent, I also said I was going to do a review, but this OU things getting me down, when it's finished I'll have more time. cheers Andrew From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Sun Sep 23 12:08:25 2001 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Possible website? In-Reply-To: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010923180825.A19809@futureless.org> On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:03:07PM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > Well I've put up a possible candidate for the Belfast.pm website at Looks good - nice simple layout. I take it you didn't go with TT though...? re: Reviews section. Are we getting free stuff from O'Reilly to review? If so, what, where and when? I wouldn't mind doing a wee review sometime perhaps (especially if it's a book I wanted to read anyway...) When are you putting the new site up? Cheers, Russell -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20010923/03f163cd/attachment.bin From steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk Sun Sep 23 17:46:54 2001 From: steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Possible website? In-Reply-To: <20010923180825.A19809@futureless.org>; from russell-belfast-pm@futureless.org on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 06:08:25PM +0100 References: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> <20010923180825.A19809@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20010923234654.B23594@blackstar.co.uk> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 06:08:25PM +0100, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:03:07PM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > > Well I've put up a possible candidate for the Belfast.pm website at > > > Looks good - nice simple layout. I take it you didn't go with TT > though...? Oh yes I did! I used ttree so I could mess about easily at home and offline. > re: Reviews section. Are we getting free stuff from O'Reilly to review? > If so, what, where and when? I wouldn't mind doing a wee review sometime > perhaps (especially if it's a book I wanted to read anyway...) I think the plan is to get some reviews up first of all to show O'Reilly we actually can reivew stuff! So feel free to have a go at something you've read already :) > When are you putting the new site up? Well if no one has any major problems with the way it looks I'll do it tomorrow (Monday) sometime. This of course assumes that I put something on the front page... Steve From steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk Sun Sep 23 17:52:43 2001 From: steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Possible website? In-Reply-To: <20010923110602.A31814@blackstar.co.uk>; from tony@kasei.com on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:06:02AM +0100 References: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> <20010923110602.A31814@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010923235243.C23594@blackstar.co.uk> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:06:02AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:03:07PM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > > Well I've put up a possible candidate for the Belfast.pm website at > > http://www.deeden.co.uk/belfastpm/ > > I like it. What about a 'previous meetings' section? There is one. It's at the bottom of the meetings page. I did think it was very inconspicuous when I put it there, but I can't think of a better place right now. I'll try somewhere else tomorrow. Maybe in the header? > you may wish to add a 'one' to: "Just ring the buzzer and some will let you in" > too ... Done, thanks Steve From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Sun Sep 23 18:27:56 2001 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Possible website? In-Reply-To: <20010923234654.B23594@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20010922220307.A11248@blackstar.co.uk> <20010923180825.A19809@futureless.org> <20010923234654.B23594@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010924002756.A22341@futureless.org> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:46:54PM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > I used ttree so I could mess about easily at home and offline. Don't suppose you want to make the code available too then? Following Tony's recommendations, and more importantly lovely looking code, I'm going to learn TT in the very near future. And a wee bit of Class::DBI to boot. (Installed it at the weekend, will RTFM soon.) > I think the plan is to get some reviews up first of all to show O'Reilly > we actually can reivew stuff! So feel free to have a go at something > you've read already :) Mmmmmm. Okay, I'll give it a go when I get more tuits. > Well if no one has any major problems with the way it looks I'll do it > tomorrow (Monday) sometime. This of course assumes that I put something > on the front page... No problems with me. Renders fine in my browser and has no javascript or flash :o) Russell -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20010924/05eba087/attachment.bin From karen at kasei.com Thu Sep 27 06:33:18 2001 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting Message-ID: <20010927123318.D30525@soto.kasei.com> I have been trying to find a venue for next week's meeting. This is quite difficult to do because Belfast.pm doesn't have any money. I have contacted YAS about rules and regulations surrounding sponsorship of Belfast.pm because I do believe that if we want to have technical meetings we will need money either for the venue or for the hire of equipment e.g. Projector or a sponsor who can provide use with a room and equipment. Venue Options: a) Pub or Restaurant Not suitable this month because I would really like to use slides of some sort for the talk I'm giving. b) Hotel Suitable rooms in hotels in the centre of Belfast have a price range between 50 and 150 pounds for the evening. If we picked a place and decided to have a meeting their every month we would get a reduction in the room rate. c) Office We have been using BlakcStar's offices to hold the previous meetings. This didn't really work last month as BlackStar were in the middle of reorganising their office. Does anyone have another office that we could use? The office that I am currently working in is the Harbour Estate and not particularly convenient for people who don't drive. d) University It is difficult to get a room in Queen's Univerity in the evening. Most of these are already taken by University activities. To hire a room at Queen's is more expensive than hiring a hotel room. It's easier to get a room at Jordanstown but the location is not as good. These are also cheaper than rooms at Queen's. So, does anyone have ideas about what we should do about a venue for next week's meeting? -- Karen From andrew-dated-1002023263.6d92c4 at rivendale.net Thu Sep 27 06:47:43 2001 From: andrew-dated-1002023263.6d92c4 at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927123318.D30525@soto.kasei.com> References: <20010927123318.D30525@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010927124743.B1671@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 12:33:18PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > So, does anyone have ideas about what we should do about a venue > for next week's meeting? Well some suggestions a room in a library (we think they probably close early) a room in a pub somewhere possibly a room in a leisure centre a room in a community centre Steve suggested that the senior common room beside Queens might be availale The YMCA? (Young Man there's a place you can go (this was Marc's suggestion (in Leicester!!))) The Foyer up near queens hires out rooms anbd have dprojectors etc. In a council building (other than a community centre) a room in a school From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Sep 27 07:25:00 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927123318.D30525@soto.kasei.com>; from Karen Pauley on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 12:33:18PM +0100 References: <20010927123318.D30525@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010927132500.F7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 12:33:18PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > We have been using BlakcStar's offices to hold the previous > meetings. This didn't really work last month as BlackStar > were in the middle of reorganising their office. Does anyone > have another office that we could use? The office that I > am currently working in is the Harbour Estate and not particularly > convenient for people who don't drive. Ah, but car sharing is a wonderful thing. And it might be nice for those of us that don't know that THERE IS LIFE BEYOND YORK ST. this is a good idea. And not because I can slip up the motorway and straight home quicker, oh no. :-) m. From karen at kasei.com Thu Sep 27 10:03:30 2001 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927124743.B1671@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Sep 27 12:47:43 2001, Andrew Wilson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 12:33:18PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > So, does anyone have ideas about what we should do about a venue > > for next week's meeting? > > Well some suggestions > > a room in a library (we think they probably close early) Rooms in libraries are available on Monday or Thursday nights. Central Library is having a lot of work done at the moment and is not available until sometime next year. Holywood Arches Library is available next Monday night between 7 and 9. It costs 4.00 pounds an hour for Community Organisations and Cultural Societies (10 pounds per hour for business use). 2 pounds to use the kitchen and 5 pounds to hire an overhead projector and screen. -- Karen From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Sep 27 10:09:59 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com>; from Karen Pauley on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:03:30PM +0100 References: <20010927124743.B1671@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010927160959.L7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:03:30PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > On Thu Sep 27 12:47:43 2001, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 12:33:18PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > > So, does anyone have ideas about what we should do about a venue > > > for next week's meeting? > > > > Well some suggestions > > > > a room in a library (we think they probably close early) > > Rooms in libraries are available on Monday or Thursday nights. > Central Library is having a lot of work done at the moment and > is not available until sometime next year. > > Holywood Arches Library is available next Monday night between > 7 and 9. It costs 4.00 pounds an hour for Community Organisations > and Cultural Societies (10 pounds per hour for business use). > 2 pounds to use the kitchen and 5 pounds to hire an overhead > projector and screen. Nice idea. But do you know how long it will take me to get home on my bike from there? Absolute hours and hours. Sheesh. (fyi, my bike can do 70, is happy at 60 but prefers 50. So 50 I go.) Not that I am deriding any meeting-assemblage-abilities on your part, as we have all just concurred that you are ace, I am just being lazy. m. From tony at kasei.com Thu Sep 27 10:12:51 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927160959.L7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:09:59PM +0100 References: <20010927124743.B1671@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com> <20010927160959.L7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010927161251.A27500@blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:09:59PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > Nice idea. But do you know how long it will take me to get home on my > bike from there? 7 minutes more than it would take you to get home from BlackStar. Or 13 minutes more than it would take you to get home from the place you said in your last message you'd like cos you could get home quickly from. Allowing for bad traffic. Tony From swm at swmcc.com Thu Sep 27 10:16:27 2001 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927160959.L7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:09:59PM +0100 References: <20010927124743.B1671@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com> <20010927160959.L7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010927161627.A17395@gandalf.tradeelectronically.com> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:09:59PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:03:30PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > On Thu Sep 27 12:47:43 2001, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 12:33:18PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > > > So, does anyone have ideas about what we should do about a venue > > > > for next week's meeting? > > > > > > Well some suggestions > > > > > > a room in a library (we think they probably close early) > > > > Rooms in libraries are available on Monday or Thursday nights. > > Central Library is having a lot of work done at the moment and > > is not available until sometime next year. > > > > Holywood Arches Library is available next Monday night between > > 7 and 9. It costs 4.00 pounds an hour for Community Organisations > > and Cultural Societies (10 pounds per hour for business use). > > 2 pounds to use the kitchen and 5 pounds to hire an overhead > > projector and screen. > > Nice idea. But do you know how long it will take me to get home on my > bike from there? Absolute hours and hours. Sheesh. (fyi, my bike can do > 70, is happy at 60 but prefers 50. So 50 I go.) > > Not that I am deriding any meeting-assemblage-abilities on your part, as > we have all just concurred that you are ace, I am just being lazy. I can give you a lift (or whoever) from Belfast to Holywood and back. I have to go home via Belfast anyay. -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Sep 27 10:23:05 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com>; from Karen Pauley on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:03:30PM +0100 References: <20010927124743.B1671@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010927162305.N7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:03:30PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > Holywood Arches Library is available next Monday night between > 7 and 9. It costs 4.00 pounds an hour for Community Organisations > and Cultural Societies (10 pounds per hour for business use). > 2 pounds to use the kitchen and 5 pounds to hire an overhead > projector and screen. I knew there was another reason apart from my laziness. The first Monday of every month is the East Antrim Astronomical Society's meeting date. Which therefor precludes me from them of the mongers. boo. m. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Sep 27 10:25:50 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927161251.A27500@blackstar.co.uk>; from Tony Bowden on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:12:51PM +0100 References: <20010927124743.B1671@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com> <20010927160959.L7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010927161251.A27500@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010927162550.O7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:12:51PM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > 7 minutes more than it would take you to get home from BlackStar. > > Or 13 minutes more than it would take you to get home from the place you > said in your last message you'd like cos you could get home quickly from. > > Allowing for bad traffic. Bad traffic isn't the thing. I can cruise thru that no probs. OK, as I said a minute ago, it was mere laziness. I am hot and bothered. I want air-con. I need air-con. I wonder if Tehran's offices are air conditioned..... m. From tony at kasei.com Thu Sep 27 10:34:21 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927161627.A17395@gandalf.tradeelectronically.com>; from swm@swmcc.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:16:27PM +0100 References: <20010927124743.B1671@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com> <20010927160959.L7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010927161627.A17395@gandalf.tradeelectronically.com> Message-ID: <20010927163421.A27698@blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:16:27PM +0100, Stephen McCullough wrote: > > > Holywood Arches Library is available next Monday night between > > > 7 and 9. It costs 4.00 pounds an hour for Community Organisations > > > and Cultural Societies (10 pounds per hour for business use). > > > 2 pounds to use the kitchen and 5 pounds to hire an overhead > > > projector and screen. > I can give you a lift (or whoever) from Belfast to Holywood and back. > I have to go home via Belfast anyay. Note, by the way, that Holywood Arches Library is not in Holywood. It's at Holywood Arches, which is near Connswater, at the junction of the Upper Newtownards Road and the Holywood Road... Tony From swm at swmcc.com Thu Sep 27 10:45:05 2001 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927163421.A27698@blackstar.co.uk>; from tony@kasei.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:34:21PM +0100 References: <20010927124743.B1671@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20010927160330.C32580@soto.kasei.com> <20010927160959.L7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010927161627.A17395@gandalf.tradeelectronically.com> <20010927163421.A27698@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010927164505.A17569@gandalf.tradeelectronically.com> Hi Tony, > Note, by the way, that Holywood Arches Library is not in Holywood. > It's at Holywood Arches, which is near Connswater, at the junction > of the Upper Newtownards Road and the Holywood Road... Cool, that's only a 2 min walk from where I am at the minute. Cheers, -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com From karen at kasei.com Thu Sep 27 10:58:44 2001 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927162305.N7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010927165844.D32580@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Sep 27 16:23:05 2001, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:03:30PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > > > Holywood Arches Library is available next Monday night between > > 7 and 9. It costs 4.00 pounds an hour for Community Organisations > > and Cultural Societies (10 pounds per hour for business use). > > 2 pounds to use the kitchen and 5 pounds to hire an overhead > > projector and screen. > > I knew there was another reason apart from my laziness. The first Monday > of every month is the East Antrim Astronomical Society's meeting date. > Which therefor precludes me from them of the mongers. That is a problem. Another choice then - the YMCA in Belfast. It would cost 13 pounds per hour (including overhead projector) and they can take give us a room next Thursday night. They are fully booked every Tuesday and Wednesday night. What about next Thursday? -- Karen From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Sep 27 11:07:12 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927165844.D32580@soto.kasei.com>; from Karen Pauley on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:58:44PM +0100 References: <20010927162305.N7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010927165844.D32580@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010927170712.P7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:58:44PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > That is a problem. Another choice then - the YMCA in Belfast. It would > cost 13 pounds per hour (including overhead projector) and they can > take give us a room next Thursday night. They are fully booked every > Tuesday and Wednesday night. What about next Thursday? I have consulted the oracle, but the pool is still misty [1] m. [1] As in, she hasn't replied yet. From andrew-dated-1002038912.0ba1c5 at rivendale.net Thu Sep 27 11:08:32 2001 From: andrew-dated-1002038912.0ba1c5 at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927165844.D32580@soto.kasei.com> References: <20010927162305.N7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010927165844.D32580@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010927170832.A2538@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:58:44PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > On Thu Sep 27 16:23:05 2001, Stray Toaster wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:03:30PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > > > > > Holywood Arches Library is available next Monday night between > > > 7 and 9. It costs 4.00 pounds an hour for Community Organisations > > > and Cultural Societies (10 pounds per hour for business use). > > > 2 pounds to use the kitchen and 5 pounds to hire an overhead > > > projector and screen. > > > > I knew there was another reason apart from my laziness. The first Monday > > of every month is the East Antrim Astronomical Society's meeting date. > > Which therefor precludes me from them of the mongers. > > That is a problem. Another choice then - the YMCA in Belfast. It would > cost 13 pounds per hour (including overhead projector) and they can > take give us a room next Thursday night. They are fully booked every > Tuesday and Wednesday night. What about next Thursday? Hmm... Thursdays don't suit me. I can't help feeling we've been here before. What's wrong with the second Monday or Tuesday of the month, if we're moving venue and day anyway. cheers Andrew From karen at kasei.com Thu Sep 27 11:15:09 2001 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927170832.A2538@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20010927171509.E32580@soto.kasei.com> > > Hmm... Thursdays don't suit me. I can't help feeling we've been here > before. What's wrong with the second Monday or Tuesday of the month, > if we're moving venue and day anyway. > I am not moving the day - just trying to organise next week's meeting. At the next meeting we can look at all the options available and decide if we should change the day. If we want to move next week's meeting to the week beginning October 8th I can try to find a suitable venue. However, I will not be able to go the meeting as I am going away on the 8th October for three weeks. -- Karen From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Sep 27 11:26:42 2001 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927165844.D32580@soto.kasei.com> References: <20010927162305.N7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010927165844.D32580@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20010927172642.D30002@futureless.org> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:58:44PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > That is a problem. Another choice then - the YMCA in Belfast. It would > cost 13 pounds per hour (including overhead projector) and they can > take give us a room next Thursday night. They are fully booked every > Tuesday and Wednesday night. What about next Thursday? Sounds good - as in it's downhill from here :) Are we just going to split costs between whoever is there on the evening? Who is likely to turn up? Russell -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20010927/e84dc09c/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Sep 27 11:49:33 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927170712.P7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from Stray Toaster on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 05:07:12PM +0100 References: <20010927162305.N7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010927165844.D32580@soto.kasei.com> <20010927170712.P7603@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010927174933.A15869@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 05:07:12PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:58:44PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > That is a problem. Another choice then - the YMCA in Belfast. It would > > cost 13 pounds per hour (including overhead projector) and they can > > take give us a room next Thursday night. They are fully booked every > > Tuesday and Wednesday night. What about next Thursday? > well, my Valerie is working that night, so I am out. :-( m. From karen at kasei.com Thu Sep 27 12:13:56 2001 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Venue for next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <20010927174933.A15869@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010927181356.F32580@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Sep 27 17:49:33 2001, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 05:07:12PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:58:44PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > > That is a problem. Another choice then - the YMCA in Belfast. It would > > > cost 13 pounds per hour (including overhead projector) and they can > > > take give us a room next Thursday night. They are fully booked every > > > Tuesday and Wednesday night. What about next Thursday? > > well, my Valerie is working that night, so I am out. :-( O.K. I'm going to try and get somewhere for next Tuesday night even if it isn't in the centre of Belfast. -- Karen From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Sep 28 04:13:39 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit Message-ID: <20010928101339.B28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Hi all. Considering that everyone (ie Mr Wilson and Mr Rushe) are now using Mail::Audit, and so they have had all the teething problems, how about we have another talk at the next meeting on this? As from their mumblings, it sounds like A Thneed that All People Need. m. From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Fri Sep 28 04:26:16 2001 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: <20010928101339.B28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:13:39AM +0100 References: <20010928101339.B28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010928052616.A72325@deeden.co.uk> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:13:39AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > Hi all. > > Considering that everyone (ie Mr Wilson and Mr Rushe) are now using > Mail::Audit, and so they have had all the teething problems, how about > we have another talk at the next meeting on this? Umm all the teething problems. I wish! I'm still getting used to the thing and know no more than what I have gleaned from Simon Cozens article at http://simon-cozens.org/writings/mail-audit.html Talking of talks, hows that Imline::ASM one coming along ;) Or even a report on YAPC::Europe 2000? Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me! Julius Caesar - Carry on Cleo From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Sep 28 04:30:27 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: <20010928052616.A72325@deeden.co.uk>; from Steve Rushe on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 05:26:16AM -0400 References: <20010928101339.B28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010928052616.A72325@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010928103027.D28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 05:26:16AM -0400, Steve Rushe wrote: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:13:39AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > Considering that everyone (ie Mr Wilson and Mr Rushe) are now using > > Mail::Audit, and so they have had all the teething problems, how about > > we have another talk at the next meeting on this? > > Umm all the teething problems. I wish! I'm still getting used to the thing > and know no more than what I have gleaned from Simon Cozens article at > http://simon-cozens.org/writings/mail-audit.html > > Talking of talks, hows that Imline::ASM one coming along ;) Or even a > report on YAPC::Europe 2000? > > Steve I was only trying to suggest things, but oh no, you have to drag it down to personal insult. You couldn't just say 'Yes, that is a good idea, I will give you a talk on that' you just wouldn't let it lie, you Just Wouldn't Let it Lie, YOU JUST WOULD......NOT........LET.......IT......LLLLIIIIEEEEEEE. [0] m. [0] If you are not a Vic Reeves fan, you may not get this. But the intent is still there. From andrew at rivendale.net Fri Sep 28 04:50:06 2001 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: <20010928103027.D28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20010928101339.B28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010928052616.A72325@deeden.co.uk> <20010928103027.D28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010928105006.A7291@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:30:27AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > I was only trying to suggest things, but oh no, you have to drag it down > to personal insult. You couldn't just say 'Yes, that is a good idea, I > will give you a talk on that' you just wouldn't let it lie, you Just > Wouldn't Let it Lie, YOU JUST > WOULD......NOT........LET.......IT......LLLLIIIIEEEEEEE. [0] I would have let it lie.[1] cheers Andrew [0] Look this is Marc's footnote not mine[2] [1] Oh Marc! I've fallen. [2] Move along, nothing to see here From tony at kasei.com Fri Sep 28 04:57:31 2001 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: <20010928101339.B28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:13:39AM +0100 References: <20010928101339.B28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010928105730.A6522@blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:13:39AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > Considering that everyone (ie Mr Wilson and Mr Rushe) are now using > Mail::Audit, and so they have had all the teething problems, how about > we have another talk at the next meeting on this? : Hi. This is the qmail-send program at tux.blackstar.co.uk. : I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. : This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : : ??? Tony -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Bowden | tony@tmtm.com | http://www.tmtm.com/ the woods are lovely, dark, and deep, but I have promises to keep -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Sep 28 05:07:21 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:12 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: <20010928105730.A6522@blackstar.co.uk>; from Tony Bowden on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:57:31AM +0100 References: <20010928101339.B28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20010928105730.A6522@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010928110721.F28940@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:57:31AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:13:39AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > > Considering that everyone (ie Mr Wilson and Mr Rushe) are now using > > Mail::Audit, and so they have had all the teething problems, how about > > we have another talk at the next meeting on this? > > : Hi. This is the qmail-send program at tux.blackstar.co.uk. > : I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > : This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > : : > > ??? I am a pariah now. *sob* m.