From sleepy_uk at hotmail.com Sun Mar 18 12:05:06 2001 From: sleepy_uk at hotmail.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:01 2004 Subject: ullo Message-ID: hey, just testing since majordomo seems to be on the blink.... -- -Scott McWhirter- =0P "http://www.pixelcore.com" -kungfuftr- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sun Mar 18 20:33:56 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:01 2004 Subject: ullo References: Message-ID: <3AB57014.36BC29A9@stray-toaster.co.uk> well, since there is a message here................ there will be an announcement on the time and agenda of the next meeting of the belfast chapter of the perly mongers next week. I promise. And there are big plans afoot too......... m. Scott McWhirter wrote: > hey, > > just testing since majordomo seems to be on the blink.... > > -- > -Scott McWhirter- =0P > "http://www.pixelcore.com" -kungfuftr- > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. -- I find it kind of funny And I find it kind of sad these dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've ever had From schwern at pobox.com Sun Mar 18 12:43:53 2001 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: ullo In-Reply-To: <3AB57014.36BC29A9@stray-toaster.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:33:56PM -0800 References: <3AB57014.36BC29A9@stray-toaster.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010318184353.N577@blackrider.aocn.com> On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:33:56PM -0800, Stray Toaster wrote: > And there are big plans afoot too......... Yes, big plans. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl6 Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One BOFH excuse #203: Write-only-memory subsystem too slow for this machine. Contact your local dealer. From steve at blackstar.co.uk Thu Mar 22 04:50:08 2001 From: steve at blackstar.co.uk (steve@blackstar.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: ullo In-Reply-To: <20010318184353.N577@blackrider.aocn.com>; from schwern@pobox.com on Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:43:53PM +0000 References: <3AB57014.36BC29A9@stray-toaster.co.uk> <20010318184353.N577@blackrider.aocn.com> Message-ID: <20010322105008.A3085@blackstar.co.uk> What sort of big plans? World domination involving cats, a stolen nuclear device and lots of anonymous men in boiler suits driving buggys under ground? Or is that just me? Steve On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:43:53PM +0000, Michael G Schwern wrote: > On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:33:56PM -0800, Stray Toaster wrote: > > And there are big plans afoot too......... > > Yes, big plans. > > > -- > > Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ > Perl6 Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One > BOFH excuse #203: > > Write-only-memory subsystem too slow for this machine. Contact your local > dealer. From sleepy_uk at hotmail.com Thu Mar 22 14:42:27 2001 From: sleepy_uk at hotmail.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: ullo Message-ID: >What sort of big plans? building the irish-america road tunnel? >World domination involving cats, a stolen nuclear device and lots >of anonymous men in boiler suits driving buggys under ground? sounds like going to my inlaws house.... >Or is that just me? maybe just you.... i'm too tired to think... me stressed. -- -Scott McWhirter- =0P "http://www.pixelcore.com" -kungfuftr- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From ab.gallagher at am.qub.ac.uk Fri Mar 23 05:36:07 2001 From: ab.gallagher at am.qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: ullo References: Message-ID: <3ABB3527.F4B92010@am.qub.ac.uk> Scott McWhirter wrote: > > >What sort of big plans? > building the irish-america road tunnel? Driving for a week through a big tube. Fun! :-P -- Andrew Gallagher Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical Physics Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland http://andrewgallagher.tripod.com/id.html From tony at blackstar.co.uk Fri Mar 23 12:33:59 2001 From: tony at blackstar.co.uk (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: ullo In-Reply-To: ; from sleepy_uk@hotmail.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 08:42:27PM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20010323183359.A19633@blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 08:42:27PM -0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > >What sort of big plans? > building the irish-america road tunnel? Pah! Road Tunnels are for wimps. We're building an ice bridge! Tony -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Bowden | tony@tmtm.com | http://www.tmtm.com/ we're too young to fall asleep too cynical to sleep -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From perl at kasei.com Sat Mar 24 04:49:46 2001 From: perl at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: ullo In-Reply-To: <20010323183359.A19633@blackstar.co.uk>; from tony@blackstar.co.uk on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:33:59PM +0000 References: <20010323183359.A19633@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010324104945.L3672@phobos.kasei.com> On Fri Mar 23 18:33:59 2001, Tony Bowden wrote: > Pah! Road Tunnels are for wimps. > > We're building an ice bridge! Benn done already, so the lizard tells me. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <3ABE29D0.FF3AD9BB@stray-toaster.co.uk> Message-ID: <3ABE2D63.A194BA33@stray-toaster.co.uk> Stray Toaster wrote: > not that there is any such thing as the ether.......but then again, > maybe there is......... > > m. > As I got this one, I can assume no one got my last one about collaboration on a most awesome module? [1] m. [1] This is a lie. But I was trying to steer this group into a perl discussion. Honest, guv........ From perl at kasei.com Mon Mar 26 05:33:06 2001 From: perl at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: just a test, as my last message seems to have got lost in the ether.... In-Reply-To: <3ABE2D63.A194BA33@stray-toaster.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 06:39:47PM +0100 References: <3ABE29D0.FF3AD9BB@stray-toaster.co.uk> <3ABE2D63.A194BA33@stray-toaster.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010326123306.V3672@phobos.kasei.com> On Sun Mar 25 18:39:47 2001, Stray Toaster wrote: > As I got this one, I can assume no one got my last one about > collaboration on a most awesome module? [1] > > m. > > [1] This is a lie. But I was trying to steer this group into a perl > discussion. Honest, guv........ Well, think of an awesome module and we'll discuss it. You could tell us all about Bleach, or Morse, or Quantum::Superpositions. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 264 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20010326/c51d7bc8/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Mar 27 04:39:32 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: Next meeting. Message-ID: <3AC06DE4.C28E69A9@stray-toaster.co.uk> Hi all. The next meeting of the Belfast Perl Mongers will be held on: Mon 9th April at 7.30 pm in the BlackStar offices. (19-21 Alfred Street, Belfast) There is going to be a guest speaker, the internationally reknowned, viral CPAN author and all round total Perl expert, Mike Scwern. Originally from Pittsburgh, he is in the country for a bit, so take advantage of his being here! Feel free to come along and pick his brains. He is a funny guy, so the talk should be interesting. As for what he is talking about, he has yet to decide, but we may be a testing ground for the talks he is going to be giving at this year's Perl Conference in San Diego. (You see, I told you he was a leading light...) So if you know of anyone who is not on this list, uses Perl, would like to know more about Perl, and wants to attend, let them know! The Belfast Perl Mongers are a grass roots organisation, chock full of different sorts of people, with differing abilities, with the only common thread being that they all use Perl to some extent. All who attend will be made welcome. (Sorry if that sounds a bit trite.....) If you want anymore info, mail it in, and I (or someone else) will be happy to answer! m. From schwern at pobox.com Tue Mar 27 05:25:25 2001 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: Next meeting. Message-ID: <20010327122525.H603@blackrider.aocn.com> On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 11:39:32AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > There is going to be a guest speaker, the internationally reknowned, > viral CPAN author and all round total Perl expert, Mike Scwern. Wow! I've always wanted to see Mike Scwern speak. His papers on The Degenerative Effects Of Seawater On Intercontinental Autonomously Routed Bio Packet Lines was pure brilliance. And he's such a snappy dresser. > Originally from Pittsburgh, he is in the country for a bit, so take > advantage of his being here! I didn't know New York was a suburb of Pittsburgh. Those nutty Americans. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl6 Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One Hey you kids, come back here! I know who your parents are! You wouldn't do this if Nixon was in the White House! Come on, I'm the Walrus, damnit! From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Mar 27 14:38:54 2001 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: just a test, as my last message seems to have got lost in the ether.... References: <3ABE29D0.FF3AD9BB@stray-toaster.co.uk> <3ABE2D63.A194BA33@stray-toaster.co.uk> <20010326123306.V3672@phobos.kasei.com> Message-ID: <3AC0FA5E.91594823@stray-toaster.co.uk> > > Well, think of an awesome module and we'll discuss it. > > You could tell us all about Bleach, or Morse, or Quantum::Superpositions. > > -- > Marty > Bleach? Erm, avoid. It sorted did odd things to my machine. Oh, hang on, maybe that was just me..... m. -- I'm immune to your consultation I'm quite aware of what I'm going through From sleepy_uk at hotmail.com Wed Mar 28 14:31:29 2001 From: sleepy_uk at hotmail.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: how to get perl to do root things Message-ID: hey all, anyone have a good link for how to get perl to run certain things like root even when a normal user is running the script? (ndc and cp inpeticular). ta in advance, -- -Scott McWhirter- =0P "http://www.pixelcore.com" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From russell at futureless.org Wed Mar 28 15:14:31 2001 From: russell at futureless.org (Russell) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:02 2004 Subject: how to get perl to do root things In-Reply-To: ; from sleepy_uk@hotmail.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:31:29PM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20010328211431.C8517@futureless.org> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:31:29PM -0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > anyone have a good link for how to get perl to run certain things like root > even when a normal user is running the script? (ndc and cp inpeticular). I have no experience of it, but I'd expect you'd want to run it set uid as whoever has permission to correctly run ndc and to copy the files you require. chmod u+s should do this, if it is owned by the correct user. man chmod for more information, or do a web search for set uid / suid information. HTH, Russell -- Computers are useless. 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(ndc and cp inpeticular). > > I have no experience of it, but I'd expect you'd want to run it set uid as > whoever has permission to correctly run ndc and to copy the files you > require. > chmod u+s should do this, if it is owned by the correct user. > man chmod for more information, or do a web search for set uid / suid > information. That won't normally work on any sensible 'nix flavour, like Linux. Setuid on scripts should be ignored because enabling it can create lots of security holes. Since you are using Perl, there is a transparent workaround that will work. You need to install suidperl. Then, when you try to execute your setuid script, this happens: 1. the kernel has a look at your script to get the interpreter name, ignoring the setuid bits; 2. the kernel runs the interpreter (perl) as the normal user; 3. Perl starts up and has a look at you script; Perl notices the setuid bit on the script, does a few sanity checks, and then tries to run suidperl instead. 4. the kernel looks at suidperl: it is a binary with setuid, so the kernel runs it setuid; 5. suidperl starts up and has a look at your script; it notices the setuid bit and does a seteuid to the script owner; 6. your script runs with the privs of you. When developing such scripts (any scripts?), make sure you include the -T flag in the top line: #!/usr/bin/perl -Tw suidperl automatically enables tainting, but it is better for you if you explicitly enable it as well. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 264 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20010329/51980483/attachment.bin