From paul at pjcj.net Mon Mar 12 07:04:11 2007 From: paul at pjcj.net (Paul Johnson) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:04:11 +0100 Subject: [Banking-pm] Interesting court case: watch this space In-Reply-To: <20070220132746.GL3365@pjcj.net> References: <20070220114743.03C5E17822@x6.develooper.com> <20070220132746.GL3365@pjcj.net> Message-ID: <20070312140411.GG31555@pjcj.net> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:27:46PM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 06:45:30AM -0500, IvorW wrote: > > > This is concerning patents and intellectual property. > > It's currently going through appeal. > > > > http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Patents/2006/595.html > > I've not read the whole thing through in detail, but it seems to me that [ ... ] The following mail came from Dr Pinkava, but spamassassin took exception to it. He asked for it to be forwarded to the list. Incidentally, I hadn't realised this list was archived. There's a couple of messages I almost wrote but now I'm glad I didn't ;-) > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 06:15:59 -0000 > From: Pavel Pinkava > Subject: RE:[Banking-pm] Interesting court case: watch this space > To: 'Paul Johnson' > Cc: "'Holzman, Benjamin'" > > Dear Paul, > > > > You don't know me but regarding your posting below you should know that:- > > > > a) I agree that "if you are an employee of a company, and you develop > something for the company on company time, then that thing should belong to > the company"... > > b) Actually my defence hinged on the fact that it was not part of my "normal > duties" to invent and I won on this point... The discussion about > specifically assigned duties is related to a point of English law my > opponents (former employers) tried to hang their hat on and which my > barrister had to fight them on : Unfortunately they won on this point - > quite spuriously... > > c) There are many points of fact the judge couldn't shoe-horn into a finding > in favour of my employers so he just left them out of his summary e.g. Not > only was I not employed to invent and what I did invent was outside anything > I was specifically asked to do but I was never specifically asked to invent > anything at all as my boss acknowledged when she admitted she had no > expectation for me to invent anything... > > d) You say much more interesting to you would be a case in which:- > (1) I developed something totally outside the core business using company > time or resources; or > (2) I developed something business related but purely using his own time and > resources; or > (3) I was contracted to do something for the company and created something > using that knowledge after his contract was finished. > On point (1) the judgement acknowledges that my inventions lay outside of > LIFFE's futures and options business! I should say in fairness the > inventions plug in to electronic futures platforms so they are not entirely > distinct in that sense. But please bear in mind I was not employed in IT for > LIFFE but in marketing e.g. brochure writing etc! > On point (2) I did develop my inventions in entirely my own time and > resources! Although LIFFE sold some spin to the judge on this one there's a > big difference in writing up a presentation about something on company time > because you're hoping (and have been led to believe) the firm will cooperate > with you in the business opportunity you have created out of thin air. > Another point:- I was so busy doing my regular job including marketing trips > to Shanghai, Germany, Spain etc that just to do my regular work I had to > bust my balls - LIFFE gave me no time to present my inventions until six > months after I made them as it took that long for their importance to > percollate up the management structure... On this last point do not believe > everything they told the court and which ended up in the judgement! > On point (3) I did come up with my inventions six months after I learnt > something new on a specific but different and frankly mundane thing that was > something I had to do for the company i.e. the knowledge of OTC credit index > swaps was used after the original task was mothballed. > > e) Re Ben Holtzman's posting : My former bosses were so bad at recognising > innovation that they couldn't even see how great pari-mutuel stuff developed > by an outside firm was... In fact nothing inventive has ever happened at > LIFFE... The real question is how come they had the bald face cheek to > pretend to be an inventive company rather than be honest to the court (or > better still not fight me at all): The answer is simply Paul - They counted > on people like you "not reading the whole thing"... > > Hopefully you are now "much more interesting"? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pavel > > > > P.S. I sent you the above personally because I didn't know how to get on the > perl mailing list (I'm not an IT guy remember) and I didn't want to cause a > flaming row there anyhow. I would appreciate if you or Ben set the record > straight (perhaps by cutting and pasting the above) as the thread is visible > on Google and I don't like comments like yours to go unanswered. Also > attached is an article for you from a trade journal and here is a link to > the Financial Times > http://www.ft.com/cms/s/912327bc-c088-11db-995a-000b5df10621.html -- Paul Johnson - paul at pjcj.net http://www.pjcj.net From alex at owal.co.uk Mon Mar 12 11:04:45 2007 From: alex at owal.co.uk (alex at owal.co.uk) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:04:45 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Banking-pm] Interesting court case: watch this space In-Reply-To: <20070312140411.GG31555@pjcj.net> References: <20070220114743.03C5E17822@x6.develooper.com> <20070220132746.GL3365@pjcj.net> <20070312140411.GG31555@pjcj.net> Message-ID: <32764.193.26.4.35.1173722685.squirrel@sflink.net> > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:27:46PM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Incidentally, I hadn't realised this list was archived. There's a > couple of messages I almost wrote but now I'm glad I didn't ;-) I think that when I asked for the the list to be set up I accepted whatever was offered. I think they did the archiving by default so that is what it is. However now I am embarassed to say that I have lost the list administrator's password which means that I'm going to have to figure out how to get support off pm.org. How embarassing. Alex From alex at owal.co.uk Mon Mar 12 11:11:35 2007 From: alex at owal.co.uk (alex at owal.co.uk) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:11:35 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Banking-pm] What are you wearing right now. Message-ID: <35090.193.26.4.35.1173723095.squirrel@sflink.net> A slightly tongue in cheek topic. What do you wear to work as a perl programmer in a bank or financial institution? One criticism of banking is that it is full of "suits". At Lehman Brothers and Deutsche Bank I normally wore a suit and tie. At Brevan Howard Asset Management I was dressed in smart casual which sometimes included blue jeans and a button shirt. However today I am dressed in black Levis and a black shirt because I am off to a goth concert as soon as I leave. Alex From nik at ngo.org.uk Mon Mar 12 23:10:09 2007 From: nik at ngo.org.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:10:09 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] What are you wearing right now. In-Reply-To: <35090.193.26.4.35.1173723095.squirrel@sflink.net> References: <35090.193.26.4.35.1173723095.squirrel@sflink.net> Message-ID: <45F64041.9090304@ngo.org.uk> alex at owal.co.uk wrote: > At Brevan Howard Asset Management I was dressed in smart casual which > sometimes included blue jeans and a button shirt. That's what I'm wearing today. That might be because I'm sat at what I think is your old desk at BHAM (at least, it's still got a bunch of your business cards in it). N From ben at bpfh.net Tue Mar 13 08:54:03 2007 From: ben at bpfh.net (ben at bpfh.net) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:03 -0800 Subject: [Banking-pm] What are you wearing right now. In-Reply-To: <35090.193.26.4.35.1173723095.squirrel@sflink.net> References: <35090.193.26.4.35.1173723095.squirrel@sflink.net> Message-ID: <20070313155403.GA19670@bpfh.net> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 06:11:35PM -0000, alex at owal.co.uk wrote: > >What do you wear to work as a perl programmer in a bank or financial >institution? Black trousers, black combat boots, a black shirt[0] and a black leather jacket. Ben [0] I have some blue shirts for emergency ENOLAUNDRY errors From BHolzman at iseoptions.com Wed Mar 14 05:30:35 2007 From: BHolzman at iseoptions.com (Holzman, Benjamin) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:30:35 -0400 Subject: [Banking-pm] What are you wearing right now. In-Reply-To: <20070313155403.GA19670@bpfh.net> Message-ID: <4ECB163CF3B2C54E869D6392B0D4DDDA018266C6@CRPA-MB01-V.office.iseoptions.com> Here's our "dress code": Appropriate * Blazer/ Sports jacket * Collared shirts and blouses * Button down shirts * Any type of Business shoes (flats or heels) * Khaki dress pants * Polo shirts * Skirts * Slacks and trousers * Sport coats * Golf shirts (not faded and in good condition) * Sweaters and cardigans with collared shirts * Suit and tie * Pant suits * Logo shirts that have small unobtrusive logos/writing * Turtleneck and collar-less shirts together with blazer, sport coat or suit jacket All attire should be well maintained, clean and professional. Inappropriate * Clothing that is faded, frayed or torn * Clothing that is too tight, too short or too revealing * Construction boots (other than snow days) * Jeans or dungarees * Sneakers or tennis shoes * Sports attire, sweatpants, sweatshirts, stretch pants or athletic clothing * Crew Neck or Roll Top shirts or sweaters * Tank tops or halter tops * T shirts * Shorts * Denim shirts/dresses/skirts * Logo with large displays of sport teams, cartoon characters, etc. * Cropped shirts * Turtleneck or mock turtleneck * Collar-less shirts > -----Original Message----- > From: banking-pm-bounces+bholzman=iseoptions.com at pm.org > [mailto:banking-pm-bounces+bholzman=iseoptions.com at pm.org] On > Behalf Of ben at bpfh.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:54 AM > To: banking-pm at pm.org > Subject: Re: [Banking-pm] What are you wearing right now. > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 06:11:35PM -0000, alex at owal.co.uk wrote: > > > >What do you wear to work as a perl programmer in a bank or financial > >institution? > > Black trousers, black combat boots, a black shirt[0] and a > black leather jacket. > > Ben > [0] I have some blue shirts for emergency ENOLAUNDRY errors > _______________________________________________ > Banking-pm mailing list > Banking-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/banking-pm >