From alex at owal.co.uk Thu Nov 2 05:44:51 2006 From: alex at owal.co.uk (alex at owal.co.uk) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:44:51 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Banking-pm] [Job] perl for a hedge fund Message-ID: <14568.193.26.4.35.1162475091.squirrel@sflink.net> A recruitment agency that I trust told me recently that there is a vacancy for a perl developer interested in banking - somewhere in central London. I expect the pay will be good, the hours ok - probably some outside hours support. And I can tell you what you want to know about the company since I used to work there. Any takers? :-) Alex From andy at almond-technologies.co.uk Thu Nov 2 08:15:04 2006 From: andy at almond-technologies.co.uk (Almond Technologies) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:15:04 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] [Job] perl for a hedge fund In-Reply-To: <14568.193.26.4.35.1162475091.squirrel@sflink.net> References: <14568.193.26.4.35.1162475091.squirrel@sflink.net> Message-ID: <20061102161504.GW21683@almond.milky.org.uk> Hi Alex, > A recruitment agency that I trust told me recently that there is a vacancy > for a perl developer interested in banking - somewhere in central London. when? Is that right away? I think I'm pretty much tied up until spring next year > I expect the pay will be good, the hours ok - probably some outside hours > support. > > And I can tell you what you want to know about the company since I used to > work there. > > Any takers? Would I be suitable anyway? -- Andrew White, Almond Technologies Ltd. Reg. company no. 5383888 E:andy at almond-technologies.co.uk P:+44 7749 418194 From nik at ngo.org.uk Fri Nov 3 00:03:31 2006 From: nik at ngo.org.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:03:31 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank Message-ID: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> Morning all, Anyone ever worked for Deutsche Bank? Any horror stories, or are they generally clued? N From mark at blackmans.org Fri Nov 3 00:32:31 2006 From: mark at blackmans.org (Mark Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:32:31 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> References: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> Message-ID: I know a clued-up fellow there who seems to have been happy for the last 2 and half years, so probably quite reasonable, although I think he was a little disappointed in his bonuses. On 3 Nov 2006, at 08:03, Nik Clayton wrote: > Morning all, > > Anyone ever worked for Deutsche Bank? Any horror stories, or are they > generally clued? > > N > _______________________________________________ > Banking-pm mailing list > Banking-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/banking-pm From alex at owal.co.uk Fri Nov 3 01:12:59 2006 From: alex at owal.co.uk (alex at owal.co.uk) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:12:59 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> References: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> Message-ID: <27905.193.26.4.35.1162545179.squirrel@sflink.net> > Morning all, > > Anyone ever worked for Deutsche Bank? Any horror stories, or are they > generally clued? > Hi Nik, I did a perl contract for Deutsche bank back in 1999/2000. Sadly I wasn't able to ask for silly money for working Y2K. *grin* Anyway... They seemed fine. I renewed - but the work kind of dried up on my project. They seemed disorganised in terms of allocating desk space. (I was actually sharing 2 desks with three other people at one stage). Germans have a certain way of working which is different to the British way- but not as bad as Americans. My experience is of course 5 years out of date. Alex From andy at almond-technologies.co.uk Fri Nov 3 01:26:42 2006 From: andy at almond-technologies.co.uk (Almond Technologies) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:26:42 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: <27905.193.26.4.35.1162545179.squirrel@sflink.net> References: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> <27905.193.26.4.35.1162545179.squirrel@sflink.net> Message-ID: <20061103092642.GK4227@almond.milky.org.uk> Hi, [snip] > Germans have a certain way of working which is different to the British > way- but not as bad as Americans. > > My experience is of course 5 years out of date. just out of interest, what's wrong with the American's way of waorking? I ask, because I'm still intending to go over there to work for a year or so Andy -- Andrew White, Almond Technologies Ltd. Reg. company no. 5383888 E:andy at almond-technologies.co.uk P:+44 7749 418194 From mark at blackmans.org Fri Nov 3 01:30:17 2006 From: mark at blackmans.org (Mark Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:30:17 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: <20061103092642.GK4227@almond.milky.org.uk> References: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> <27905.193.26.4.35.1162545179.squirrel@sflink.net> <20061103092642.GK4227@almond.milky.org.uk> Message-ID: On 3 Nov 2006, at 09:26, Almond Technologies wrote: > Hi, > > [snip] > >> Germans have a certain way of working which is different to the >> British >> way- but not as bad as Americans. >> >> My experience is of course 5 years out of date. > > just out of interest, what's wrong with the American's way of > waorking? > I'd suggest stupendous amounts of time and energy spent on arse-covering and hypocrisy at all levels, but that's from limited exposure, so hopefully it was an outlier. > I ask, because I'm still intending to go over there to work for a > year or > so > > Andy > > -- > Andrew White, Almond Technologies Ltd. Reg. company no. 5383888 > E:andy at almond-technologies.co.uk P:+44 7749 418194 > _______________________________________________ > Banking-pm mailing list > Banking-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/banking-pm From martin.bower at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 02:24:17 2006 From: martin.bower at gmail.com (Martin Bower) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:24:17 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] Fwd: Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: <7969e3b50611030223j7b0537a9if561b4ddb82afe8@mail.gmail.com> References: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> <27905.193.26.4.35.1162545179.squirrel@sflink.net> <20061103092642.GK4227@almond.milky.org.uk> <7969e3b50611030223j7b0537a9if561b4ddb82afe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7969e3b50611030224v2996beadk9f614d0895f4fc6b@mail.gmail.com> I worked for an American bank for 6 years, and it was great. If you put the time and effort in, you'll be rewarded accordingly. in general, the european banks work at a slightly slower pace, but the hours are better. From martin.bower at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 02:25:02 2006 From: martin.bower at gmail.com (Martin Bower) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:25:02 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: References: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> <27905.193.26.4.35.1162545179.squirrel@sflink.net> <20061103092642.GK4227@almond.milky.org.uk> Message-ID: <7969e3b50611030225k750f5c7he16fa1e0d141d393@mail.gmail.com> I worked for an American bank for 6 years, and it was great. If you put the time and effort in, you'll be rewarded accordingly. in general, the european banks work at a slightly slower pace, but the hours are better. From ben at bpfh.net Fri Nov 3 03:46:03 2006 From: ben at bpfh.net (ben at bpfh.net) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 03:46:03 -0800 Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: References: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> <27905.193.26.4.35.1162545179.squirrel@sflink.net> <20061103092642.GK4227@almond.milky.org.uk> Message-ID: <20061103114603.GA28457@bpfh.net> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:30:17AM +0000, Mark Blackman wrote: >On 3 Nov 2006, at 09:26, Almond Technologies wrote: > >> just out of interest, what's wrong with the American's way of >> waorking? >> > >I'd suggest stupendous amounts of time and energy spent on arse-covering >and hypocrisy at all levels, but that's from limited exposure, so >hopefully it was an outlier. I work for an American bank (albeit one with a global viewpoint) and I find it challenging, rewarding and egalitarian. They seem to actually take the work / life balance thing seriously and not pay just lip service to it. Ben From alex at owal.co.uk Fri Nov 3 05:27:25 2006 From: alex at owal.co.uk (alex at owal.co.uk) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:27:25 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: <20061103114603.GA28457@bpfh.net> References: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> <27905.193.26.4.35.1162545179.squirrel@sflink.net> <20061103092642.GK4227@almond.milky.org.uk> <20061103114603.GA28457@bpfh.net> Message-ID: <40755.193.26.4.35.1162560445.squirrel@sflink.net> Ben wrote: > I work for an American bank (albeit one with a global viewpoint) and I > find > it challenging, rewarding and egalitarian. They seem to actually take the > work / life balance thing seriously and not pay just lip service to it. I think we've had some conversation topic creep here. I too have worked for an American bank - enjoyed it, and would recommend it. HOWEVER In three different financial institutions I have had to work with American software engineers in America and each time I have ended up of the opinion that they would not have kept their jobs had they worked in London. Of course there *are* good American software engineers but I haven't worked with them. Alex From david at cantrell.org.uk Fri Nov 3 15:17:25 2006 From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 23:17:25 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: <40755.193.26.4.35.1162560445.squirrel@sflink.net> References: <454AF7D3.4030109@ngo.org.uk> <27905.193.26.4.35.1162545179.squirrel@sflink.net> <20061103092642.GK4227@almond.milky.org.uk> <20061103114603.GA28457@bpfh.net> <40755.193.26.4.35.1162560445.squirrel@sflink.net> Message-ID: <20061103231725.GB14315@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 01:27:25PM -0000, alex at owal.co.uk wrote: > HOWEVER In three different financial institutions I have had to work with > American software engineers in America and each time I have ended up of > the opinion that they would not have kept their jobs had they worked in > London. Your yankee colleagues almost certainly felt the same way about you. I'd tend the blame the difficulty in communicating wit hthem. Even dealing with someone in the same timezone is hard and can cause horrible misunderstandings if all you do is use email and the phone. Meeting face-to-face and scribbling diagrams on bits of paper works wonders. And no, video-conferencing and online white-boards aren't the answer. -- David Cantrell | WARNING: MAY CONTAIN BARYONS Computer Science is about lofty design goals and careful algorithmic optimisation. Sysadminning is about cleaning up the resulting mess. From cos at indeterminate.net Mon Nov 13 13:21:57 2006 From: cos at indeterminate.net (John Costello) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:21:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Banking-pm] Deutsche Bank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Mark Blackman wrote: > I'd suggest stupendous amounts of time and energy spent on arse-covering > and hypocrisy at all levels, but that's from limited exposure, so > hopefully > it was an outlier. These types aren't valued in all circles, though they are annoyingly common and to some extent tolerated, especially in larger organizations (banking and non-banking alike). From alex at owal.co.uk Tue Nov 14 01:09:10 2006 From: alex at owal.co.uk (alex at owal.co.uk) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:09:10 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Banking-pm] Publicising this list? Message-ID: <22900.193.26.4.35.1163495350.squirrel@sflink.net> I haven't really done much publicity for this list. I am wondering whether those of us who work in banks and do perl should email its existence out to other people in their departments? OK? Yes, No? Other suggestions? Alex From paul at pjcj.net Tue Nov 14 04:05:29 2006 From: paul at pjcj.net (Paul Johnson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:05:29 +0100 Subject: [Banking-pm] Publicising this list? In-Reply-To: <22900.193.26.4.35.1163495350.squirrel@sflink.net> References: <22900.193.26.4.35.1163495350.squirrel@sflink.net> Message-ID: <20061114120529.GF17917@pjcj.net> On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 09:09:10AM -0000, alex at owal.co.uk wrote: > I haven't really done much publicity for this list. > > I am wondering whether those of us who work in banks and do perl should > email its existence out to other people in their departments? > > OK? Yes, No? Other suggestions? I suppose it depends on your goals for this list, but I think it would be a good idea. I'd be happy to mention it on #perl at work. -- Paul Johnson - paul at pjcj.net http://www.pjcj.net From dave at dave.org.uk Tue Nov 14 10:32:40 2006 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:32:40 +0000 Subject: [Banking-pm] Publicising this list? In-Reply-To: <20061114120529.GF17917@pjcj.net> References: <22900.193.26.4.35.1163495350.squirrel@sflink.net> <20061114120529.GF17917@pjcj.net> Message-ID: <455A0BC8.8040408@dave.org.uk> Paul Johnson wrote: > I'd be happy to mention it on #perl at work. Excellent. Thereby relieving me of the need to do so :) Dave... From billy at cowfish.org.uk Wed Nov 15 03:25:52 2006 From: billy at cowfish.org.uk (Billy Abbott) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:25:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Banking-pm] Publicising this list? In-Reply-To: <22900.193.26.4.35.1163495350.squirrel@sflink.net> References: <22900.193.26.4.35.1163495350.squirrel@sflink.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 alex at owal.co.uk wrote: > I haven't really done much publicity for this list. > > I am wondering whether those of us who work in banks and do perl should > email its existence out to other people in their departments? I've informed the perl kiddies here at work and I know of at least one person who's joined up. --billy -- Hear no evil, see no evil, play no volleyball Billy Abbott billy at cowfish dot org dot uk