From fluhmann at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 07:57:32 2012 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:57:32 -0500 Subject: APM: Activity? In-Reply-To: References: <20120627204811.1PJ9F.266747.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:48 PM, wrote: > Um, don't you also need to set some sort of regular schedule since it's > not likely there will be somebody on all the time? > Yeah, but I think it's ok. I'm just sitting in there to have it available. No real plans about it, other than chit-chat. I've just added it as one the ~15 channels I'm on. Cheers, Jeremy ---- Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > > In case anyone is interested - irc.perl.org #austin.pm > > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann > wrote: > > > > > In case it affects the decision for the soon-to-be upcoming date of the > > > next meeting - http://geekaustin.org/guide-austin-tech-meetups. The > 4th > > > Wednesday doesn't have anything going on if anyone is up for even just > an > > > Austin PM Social Hour (perl -e "print qq{wink } x 2;") > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann >wrote: > > > > > >> Now that I live in Austin, I'm definitely up for getting back into the > > >> Perl community. I'll help in any way I can for any movement to get > monthly > > >> meeting going again. Do we have a current list of potential meeting > > >> venues? Any potential pizza sponsors? (Pizza seems to be the de facto > > >> standard on groups, but any "food/drink" sponsor would be welcomed, > I'm > > >> sure). > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Jeremy > > >> -- > > >> > > >> Jeremy Fluhmann > >> > >> *http://twitter.com/jfluhmann* > >> > >> *http://identi.ca/jfluhmann > > >> http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org > > >> Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org > > >> Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.d.millard at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 09:02:07 2012 From: chris.d.millard at gmail.com (Chris Millard) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:02:07 -0500 Subject: APM: Activity? In-Reply-To: References: <20120627204811.1PJ9F.266747.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Message-ID: That's IRC. :P "[I]t's not likely there will be somebody on all the time" is basically a ground rule. When I'm back in the office, I'll put the channel on my auto-join list. Maybe some interesting discussion will come of it. Best regards, Chris On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:48 PM, wrote: > >> Um, don't you also need to set some sort of regular schedule since it's >> not likely there will be somebody on all the time? >> > > Yeah, but I think it's ok. I'm just sitting in there to have it available. > No real plans about it, other than chit-chat. I've just added it as one > the ~15 channels I'm on. > > Cheers, > Jeremy > > > ---- Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: >> > In case anyone is interested - irc.perl.org #austin.pm >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann >> wrote: >> > >> > > In case it affects the decision for the soon-to-be upcoming date of >> the >> > > next meeting - http://geekaustin.org/guide-austin-tech-meetups. The >> 4th >> > > Wednesday doesn't have anything going on if anyone is up for even >> just an >> > > Austin PM Social Hour (perl -e "print qq{wink } x 2;") >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann > >wrote: >> > > >> > >> Now that I live in Austin, I'm definitely up for getting back into >> the >> > >> Perl community. I'll help in any way I can for any movement to get >> monthly >> > >> meeting going again. Do we have a current list of potential meeting >> > >> venues? Any potential pizza sponsors? 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URL: From wbraswell at hush.com Sun Jul 8 23:06:55 2012 From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 01:06:55 -0500 Subject: APM: Proposed Meeting Time & Pizza Sponsor Message-ID: <20120709060655.8C8536F448@smtp.hushmail.com> Greetings Perl Mongers, My name is Will Braswell, I am a proud Perl programmer and CTO of Asset Exchange Strategies in Leander. Our small IT department consists of Linux and Perl enthusiasts, including Austin Perl Mongers list members Gary Warman and Jack Lupton. I am looking to hire some local Perl talent, and promote the Perl community in general. To this end, I hereby volunteer to sponsor the purchase of pizza for all Perl programmers at a to-be-regular meeting. Using the recent timing recommendation of Jeremy Fluhmann, I propose an official Austin Perl Mongers meeting: Wednesday, July 25th 8:00pm - 10:00pm Double Dave's Pizza 13343 Hwy 183 North Also, I'm hanging out in #austin.pm on irc.perl.org, if anyone cares to show up there. Can I get a second on my motion for setting a meeting time/place? Thanks, ~ Will From fluhmann at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 17:37:49 2012 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:37:49 -0500 Subject: APM: Proposed Meeting Time & Pizza Sponsor In-Reply-To: <20120709060655.8C8536F448@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20120709060655.8C8536F448@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: +1 Thanks Will! That's even right around my neighborhood :-) Cheers, Jeremy On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Will Braswell wrote: > Greetings Perl Mongers, > > My name is Will Braswell, I am a proud Perl programmer and CTO of Asset > Exchange Strategies in Leander. > > Our small IT department consists of Linux and Perl enthusiasts, including > Austin Perl Mongers list members Gary Warman and Jack Lupton. > > I am looking to hire some local Perl talent, and promote the Perl > community in general. > > To this end, I hereby volunteer to sponsor the purchase of pizza for all > Perl programmers at a to-be-regular meeting. > > Using the recent timing recommendation of Jeremy Fluhmann, I propose an > official Austin Perl Mongers meeting: > > Wednesday, July 25th > 8:00pm - 10:00pm > Double Dave's Pizza > 13343 Hwy 183 North > > Also, I'm hanging out in #austin.pm on irc.perl.org, if anyone cares to > show up there. > > Can I get a second on my motion for setting a meeting time/place? > > Thanks, > ~ Will > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It and Bash were the first two languages I learned. > > > > -- > -Lynn Bender > http://geekaustin.org > http://twitter.com/linearb > http://www.linkedin.com/in/lynnbender > > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM, wrote: > >> Um, don't you also need to set some sort of regular schedule since it's >> not likely there will be somebody on all the time? >> >> ---- Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: >> > In case anyone is interested - irc.perl.org #austin.pm >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann >> wrote: >> > >> > > In case it affects the decision for the soon-to-be upcoming date of >> the >> > > next meeting - http://geekaustin.org/guide-austin-tech-meetups. The >> 4th >> > > Wednesday doesn't have anything going on if anyone is up for even >> just an >> > > Austin PM Social Hour (perl -e "print qq{wink } x 2;") >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann > >wrote: >> > > >> > >> Now that I live in Austin, I'm definitely up for getting back into >> the >> > >> Perl community. I'll help in any way I can for any movement to get >> monthly >> > >> meeting going again. Do we have a current list of potential meeting >> > >> venues? Any potential pizza sponsors? (Pizza seems to be the de >> facto >> > >> standard on groups, but any "food/drink" sponsor would be welcomed, >> I'm >> > >> sure). >> > >> >> > >> Cheers, >> > >> Jeremy >> > >> -- >> > >> >> > >> Jeremy Fluhmann >> > >> *http://twitter.com/jfluhmann* >> > >> *http://identi.ca/jfluhmann >> > >> http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org >> > >> Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org >> > >> Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org* >> > >> >> > >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Patrick R. Michaud < >> pmichaud at pobox.com>wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:10:41AM -0500, Mark Lehmann wrote: >> > >>> > It takes a lot of effort to coordinate events. I'd be happy if >> someone >> > >>> > else wanted to coordinate. >> > >>> > [...] >> > >>> >> > >>> I don't know if this will help here, but one of the user groups >> > >>> I frequently attend started having monthly "meeting managers". >> > >>> We got the idea from Perl's new release manager process, which >> > >>> in turn got it from Parrot. >> > >>> >> > >>> In Perl/Parrot, each monthly release has a separate "release >> manager" >> > >>> that is responsible for the tasks associated with that month's >> release. >> > >>> The procedure is all well documented, so someone just volunteers for >> > >>> a month, follows the steps, and a release comes out. >> > >>> >> > >>> In the user group scenario, each regularly scheduled meeting has >> > >>> someone volunteer to be that meeting's "coordinator" (or whatever >> > >>> you wish to call it). That person is responsible for arranging a >> > >>> speaker or event, making the meeting announcements, etc. for the >> > >>> given month. The meeting manager can *be* the speaker, but isn't >> > >>> required to be. And of course the manager can delegate out as >> > >>> desired/necessary. >> > >>> >> > >>> The whole point is that the work of setting up a meeting (or >> release) >> > >>> doesn't fall to the same person month after month after month to >> > >>> the point that he/she burns out or runs out of ideas. Also, >> > >>> having more managers brings more ideas and improvements into the >> > >>> process. >> > >>> >> > >>> It's worked reasonably well at the UG that I attend; perhaps >> > >>> it can work for you as well. >> > >>> >> > >>> Lastly, I'd be happy to come down to Austin sometime and give a >> > >>> presentation. :-) >> > >>> >> > >>> Hope this helps, >> > >>> >> > >>> Pm >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> Austin mailing list >> > >>> Austin at pm.org >> > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> -- >> -- -- -- -- >> Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus >> >> jameschoate at austin.rr.com >> jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org >> ravage at ssz.com >> james.choate at g.austincc.edu >> jchoate00001 at gmail.com >> james.choate at twcable.com >> h: 512-657-1279 >> w: 512-845-8989 >> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center >> http://confusionresearchcenter.org >> http://arbornet.org (ravage) >> >> Adapt, Adopt, Improvise >> -- -- -- -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Austin mailing list >> Austin at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin >> > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've created an Eventbrite event, in case it helps know how many people to expect (and pizza to buy ;-) I would encourage those planning to attend to register! APM July meeting - http://www.eventbrite.com/event/3926540388 Cheers, Jeremy On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Will Braswell wrote: > Perl Mongers, > > We've got support for the pizza meeting from Jeremy Fluhmann, Jim Lacey, > Jack Lupton, and Jeff Keys. Wow, all J-names! :P > > I'll buy pizza on behalf of my Perl-loving company, AES. > > Wednesday, July 25th > 8:00pm - 10:00pm > Double Dave's Pizza > 13343 Hwy 183 North > > Hope to see y'all there! > > ~ Will Braswell, CTO, Asset Exchange Strategies > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddr at cpanel.net Mon Jul 23 12:58:58 2012 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:58:58 -0500 Subject: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin Message-ID: <9FD7E141-278C-41FE-8A6D-4E00F58C98B1@cpanel.net> Greetings, It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your attention to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, of has been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a desirable location for people to visit. You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People often join the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If you have any questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or someone else will try to get you an answer. Thanks, Todd Rinaldo toddr at cpanel.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Great! What's a YAPC? -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From tshinnic at prismnet.com Mon Jul 23 13:45:30 2012 From: tshinnic at prismnet.com (Thomas L. Shinnick) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:45:30 -0500 Subject: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin In-Reply-To: <9FD7E141-278C-41FE-8A6D-4E00F58C98B1@cpanel.net> References: <9FD7E141-278C-41FE-8A6D-4E00F58C98B1@cpanel.net> Message-ID: <68.FE.00797.DE7BD005@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> At 02:58 PM 7/23/2012, Todd Rinaldo wrote: >Greetings, > >It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your >attention to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. Still looking at 6/25 - 6/27 ? (Bid pdf http://news.perlfoundation.org/yapc/Austin%20YAPC%20Proposal.pdf) >http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html > >cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, >of has been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a >desirable location for people to visit. > >You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People >often join the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If >you have any questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or >someone else will try to get you an answer. Where do I volunteer? I live near enough to help out. >Thanks, >Todd Rinaldo >toddr at cpanel.net Thank you! Austin is a city of live music and too much tech too! BTW: I'll be at the meeting on Wednesday. What does "Array(4).join('foo')" translate into in that incomprehensible language Perl? :-P >______________________________________________ >Austin mailing list >Austin at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tshinnic at prismnet.com Mon Jul 23 13:47:31 2012 From: tshinnic at prismnet.com (Thomas L. Shinnick) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:47:31 -0500 Subject: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin In-Reply-To: References: <9FD7E141-278C-41FE-8A6D-4E00F58C98B1@cpanel.net> Message-ID: At 03:25 PM 7/23/2012, Tim McDaniel wrote: >On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Todd Rinaldo wrote: >>It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your >>attention to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. >> >>http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html >> >>cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, >>of has been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a >>desirable location for people to visit. >> >>You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People >>often join the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If >>you have any questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or >>someone else will try to get you an answer. > >Great! > >What's a YAPC? You forgot the smiley? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAPC >-- >Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com >_______________________________________________ >Austin mailing list >Austin at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin From chris.d.millard at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 13:57:05 2012 From: chris.d.millard at gmail.com (Chris Millard) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:57:05 -0500 Subject: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin In-Reply-To: References: <9FD7E141-278C-41FE-8A6D-4E00F58C98B1@cpanel.net> Message-ID: Yet Another Perl Conference I believe :) Cheers, Chris On Jul 23, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Tim McDaniel wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Todd Rinaldo wrote: >> It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your >> attention to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. >> >> http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html >> >> cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, >> of has been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a >> desirable location for people to visit. >> >> You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People >> often join the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If >> you have any questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or >> someone else will try to get you an answer. > > Great! > > What's a YAPC? > > -- > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin From tmcd at panix.com Mon Jul 23 14:21:53 2012 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:21:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin In-Reply-To: References: <9FD7E141-278C-41FE-8A6D-4E00F58C98B1@cpanel.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Thomas L. Shinnick wrote: > At 03:25 PM 7/23/2012, Tim McDaniel wrote: >> What's a YAPC? > > You forgot the smiley? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAPC Not in the slightest. I got the definition off the Perl Foundation Web page. Let me expand it: what is YAPC Like? What kinds of topics are there? How long does it tend to be? What sorts of activities are there? Et cetera. -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From toddr at cpanel.net Mon Jul 23 14:23:33 2012 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:23:33 -0500 Subject: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin In-Reply-To: <68.FE.00797.DE7BD005@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <9FD7E141-278C-41FE-8A6D-4E00F58C98B1@cpanel.net> <68.FE.00797.DE7BD005@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: On Jul 23, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Thomas L. Shinnick wrote: > At 02:58 PM 7/23/2012, Todd Rinaldo wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your attention to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. > > Still looking at 6/25 - 6/27 ? > (Bid pdf http://news.perlfoundation.org/yapc/Austin%20YAPC%20Proposal.pdf) The date is from last year's proposal, so I believe I've heard it will change. >> http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html >> >> cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, of has been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a desirable location for people to visit. >> >> You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People often join the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If you have any questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or someone else will try to get you an answer. > > Where do I volunteer? I live near enough to help out. We'll have to get back to you on that. Thanks for the offer. It's good to see active interest! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddr at cpanel.net Mon Jul 23 14:29:48 2012 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:29:48 -0500 Subject: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin In-Reply-To: References: <9FD7E141-278C-41FE-8A6D-4E00F58C98B1@cpanel.net> Message-ID: On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Tim McDaniel wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Thomas L. Shinnick wrote: >> At 03:25 PM 7/23/2012, Tim McDaniel wrote: >>> What's a YAPC? >> >> You forgot the smiley? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAPC > > Not in the slightest. I got the definition off the Perl Foundation > Web page. > > Let me expand it: what is YAPC Like? What kinds of topics are there? > How long does it tend to be? What sorts of activities are there? > Et cetera. This year's schedule: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/schedule These are some of the talks that have been posted so far: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3043A69A50321D26 In addition to talks there are full day classes before and after the conference, hackathons, and nightly activities with ample opportunity to get to know perl developers from around the world. Hope that helps, Todd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shihzy at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 14:30:58 2012 From: shihzy at gmail.com (Jeffrey Shih) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:30:58 -0700 Subject: APM: Austin Digest, Vol 95, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anyone have an idea on the topics or panel? Would love to see Perl 6 discussions. Jeff Shih On Monday, July 23, 2012, wrote: > Send Austin mailing list submissions to > austin at pm.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > austin-request at pm.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > austin-owner at pm.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Austin digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. YAPC 2013 in Austin (Todd Rinaldo) > 2. Re: YAPC 2013 in Austin (Tim McDaniel) > 3. Re: YAPC 2013 in Austin (Thomas L. Shinnick) > 4. Re: YAPC 2013 in Austin (Thomas L. Shinnick) > 5. Re: YAPC 2013 in Austin (Chris Millard) > 6. Re: YAPC 2013 in Austin (Tim McDaniel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:58:58 -0500 > From: Todd Rinaldo > > To: Austin Perl Mongers > > Subject: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin > Message-ID: <9FD7E141-278C-41FE-8A6D-4E00F58C98B1 at cpanel.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Greetings, > > It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your attention > to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. > > http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html > > cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, of has > been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a desirable > location for people to visit. > > You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People often join > the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If you have any > questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or someone else will > try to get you an answer. > > Thanks, > Todd Rinaldo > toddr at cpanel.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/austin/attachments/20120723/12c1ddbd/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:25:48 -0500 (CDT) > From: Tim McDaniel > > To: Todd Rinaldo > > Cc: Austin Perl Mongers > > Subject: Re: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Todd Rinaldo > wrote: > > It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your > > attention to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. > > > > > http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html > > > > cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, > > of has been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a > > desirable location for people to visit. > > > > You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People > > often join the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If > > you have any questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or > > someone else will try to get you an answer. > > Great! > > What's a YAPC? > > -- > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:45:30 -0500 > From: "Thomas L. Shinnick" > > To: Austin Perl Mongers > > Subject: Re: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin > Message-ID: <68.FE.00797.DE7BD005 at hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" > > At 02:58 PM 7/23/2012, Todd Rinaldo wrote: > >Greetings, > > > >It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your > >attention to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. > > Still looking at 6/25 - 6/27 ? > (Bid pdf http://news.perlfoundation.org/yapc/Austin%20YAPC%20Proposal.pdf > ) > > >< > http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html> > http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html > > > >cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, > >of has been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a > >desirable location for people to visit. > > > >You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People > >often join the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If > >you have any questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or > >someone else will try to get you an answer. > > Where do I volunteer? I live near enough to help out. > > >Thanks, > >Todd Rinaldo > >>toddr at cpanel.net > > Thank you! Austin is a city of live music and too much tech too! > > BTW: I'll be at the meeting on Wednesday. > > What does "Array(4).join('foo')" translate into in that > incomprehensible language Perl? :-P > > >______________________________________________ > >Austin mailing list > >Austin at pm.org > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/austin/attachments/20120723/73cbb3db/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:47:31 -0500 > From: "Thomas L. Shinnick" > > To: Austin Perl Mongers > > Subject: Re: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 03:25 PM 7/23/2012, Tim McDaniel wrote: > >On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Todd Rinaldo > > wrote: > >>It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your > >>attention to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. > >> > >> > http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html > >> > >>cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, > >>of has been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a > >>desirable location for people to visit. > >> > >>You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People > >>often join the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If > >>you have any questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or > >>someone else will try to get you an answer. > > > >Great! > > > >What's a YAPC? > > You forgot the smiley? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAPC > > > >-- > >Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Austin mailing list > >Austin at pm.org > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:57:05 -0500 > From: Chris Millard > > To: Tim McDaniel > > Cc: Austin Perl Mongers > > Subject: Re: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Yet Another Perl Conference I believe :) > > Cheers, > Chris > > On Jul 23, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Tim McDaniel > > wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Todd Rinaldo > > wrote: > >> It looks like this has become public, so I thought I'd draw your > >> attention to this announcement about YAPC Austin in June of 2013. > >> > >> > http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/yapcna-2013-will-be-in-austin.html > >> > >> cPanel wanted to host a conference. Houston, where we're based out, > >> of has been done before (Jeremy++). We thought Austin would be a > >> desirable location for people to visit. > >> > >> You may see an uptick in your mailing list's membership. People > >> often join the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If > >> you have any questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or > >> someone else will try to get you an answer. > > > > Great! > > > > What's a YAPC? > > > > -- > > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Austin mailing list > > Austin at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:21:53 -0500 (CDT) > From: Tim McDaniel > > Cc: Austin Perl Mongers > > Subject: Re: APM: YAPC 2013 in Austin > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Thomas L. Shinnick > > wrote: > > At 03:25 PM 7/23/2012, Tim McDaniel wrote: > >> What's a YAPC? > > > > You forgot the smiley? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAPC > > Not in the slightest. I got the definition off the Perl Foundation > Web page. > > Let me expand it: what is YAPC Like? What kinds of topics are there? > How long does it tend to be? What sorts of activities are there? > Et cetera. > > -- > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > > ------------------------------ > > End of Austin Digest, Vol 95, Issue 5 > ************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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People often join > the mailing list for the upcoming city where it'll be. If you have any > questions, please feel free to mail this list and I or someone else will > try to get you an answer. > > Thanks, > Todd Rinaldo > toddr at cpanel.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbii at interaction.net Wed Jul 25 08:17:02 2012 From: dbii at interaction.net (David Bluestein) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:17:02 -0500 Subject: APM: Free Pizza Meeting, Weds 7/25, 8-10pm In-Reply-To: References: <20120711062646.230796F442@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <7E22D825-F1B0-4B5D-A189-A11490FE0361@interaction.net> Jeremy- Thanks for creating the event. I'm aiming to make it since it has been quite a while. Now if we could get the website updated by whomever controls it now... David On Jul 15, 2012, at 4:26 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > Thanks again, Will. I've created an Eventbrite event, in case it helps know how many people to expect (and pizza to buy ;-) > > I would encourage those planning to attend to register! > APM July meeting - http://www.eventbrite.com/event/3926540388 > > Cheers, > Jeremy > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Will Braswell wrote: > Perl Mongers, > > We've got support for the pizza meeting from Jeremy Fluhmann, Jim Lacey, Jack Lupton, and Jeff Keys. Wow, all J-names! :P > > I'll buy pizza on behalf of my Perl-loving company, AES. > > Wednesday, July 25th > 8:00pm - 10:00pm > Double Dave's Pizza > 13343 Hwy 183 North > > Hope to see y'all there! > > ~ Will Braswell, CTO, Asset Exchange Strategies > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluhmann at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 15:26:46 2012 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:26:46 -0500 Subject: APM: Free Pizza Meeting, Weds 7/25, 8-10pm In-Reply-To: <7E22D825-F1B0-4B5D-A189-A11490FE0361@interaction.net> References: <20120711062646.230796F442@smtp.hushmail.com> <7E22D825-F1B0-4B5D-A189-A11490FE0361@interaction.net> Message-ID: Thanks! I assume your referring to the Eventbrite event. :-). Big thanks to Will Braswell and AES for organizing and sponsoring the meeting! Looking forward to meeting up with everyone. See you at 8:00p!! On Jul 25, 2012 10:17 AM, "David Bluestein" wrote: > Jeremy- > > Thanks for creating the event. I'm aiming to make it since it has been > quite a while. > > Now if we could get the website updated by whomever controls it now... > > David > > On Jul 15, 2012, at 4:26 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > > Thanks again, Will. I've created an Eventbrite event, in case it helps > know how many people to expect (and pizza to buy ;-) > > I would encourage those planning to attend to register! > APM July meeting - http://www.eventbrite.com/event/3926540388 > > Cheers, > Jeremy > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Will Braswell wrote: > >> Perl Mongers, >> >> We've got support for the pizza meeting from Jeremy Fluhmann, Jim Lacey, >> Jack Lupton, and Jeff Keys. 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URL: From wbraswell at hush.com Wed Jul 25 23:46:24 2012 From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 01:46:24 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report Message-ID: <20120726064624.DCC0BE6775@smtp.hushmail.com> Howdy Perl Mongers, We had a great meeting and social hour, thanks to the 14 people who joined us for pizza and beer! We've got some new (and old) officers: Yours Truly, President Mark Lehmann, Vice President & Past President Jeremy Fluhmann, YAPC Representative Wayne Walker, Web Server Administrator We discussed a number of issues related to both technology in general and Austin Perl Mongers business. I gave a brief description of the Trello platform and my company's big Perl project: Trello Bot. I have created a Trello organization for Austin Perl Mongers, and have sent Trello invitations to everyone who came to the meeting. I will give a presentation and demo of Trello Bot at the August meeting. Anyone interested in Trello Bot can see the following websites and contact me directly, we will be meeting for weekly pizza every Tuesday evening at my office. https://trello.com/board/trello-bot-development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 Don't have a Trello account yet? Create one and join the Austin Perl Mongers organization! https://trello.com/austinperlmongers For now we will continue meeting on the 4th Wednesday of each month, so the next meeting will be on August 22nd from 8-10pm. VP Lehmann will contact Genuine Joe's and Mangia's to see which will better serve our needs. Jeremy Fluhmann knows quite a bit about the YAPC project, so he'll act as our primary point of contact there. I will work with Wayne Walker to get the Austin.pm website updated. I'm excited about the revitalization of Austin Perl Mongers, and I look forward to working with all of you to expand our Perl'ishness and have some fun! Thanks, ~ Will Braswell, AES CTO & Austin.pm President From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 26 13:07:26 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:07:26 +0000 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120726064624.DCC0BE6775@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <20120726200727.SDOZJ.3877.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Good to hear it was well attended. I missed this one, and I'll be in Wyoming climbing for the next one unfortunately. However, I'm curious as to what the thoughts or suggestions were for long term activities to keep interest up? Personally I'm not much inspired by passive talks. Is there any interest in actual real world projects of one sort or another? A couple of ideas, - A 2D scroller zombie game - Core War implementation ---- Will Braswell wrote: > Howdy Perl Mongers, > > We had a great meeting and social hour, thanks to the 14 people who joined us for pizza and beer! We've got some new (and old) officers: > > Yours Truly, President > Mark Lehmann, Vice President & Past President > Jeremy Fluhmann, YAPC Representative > Wayne Walker, Web Server Administrator > > We discussed a number of issues related to both technology in general and Austin Perl Mongers business. > > I gave a brief description of the Trello platform and my company's big Perl project: Trello Bot. I have created a Trello organization for Austin Perl Mongers, and have sent Trello invitations to everyone who came to the meeting. I will give a presentation and demo of Trello Bot at the August meeting. Anyone interested in Trello Bot can see the following websites and contact me directly, we will be meeting for weekly pizza every Tuesday evening at my office. > > https://trello.com/board/trello-bot-development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 > > Don't have a Trello account yet? Create one and join the Austin Perl Mongers organization! > > https://trello.com/austinperlmongers > > For now we will continue meeting on the 4th Wednesday of each month, so the next meeting will be on August 22nd from 8-10pm. VP Lehmann will contact Genuine Joe's and Mangia's to see which will better serve our needs. > > Jeremy Fluhmann knows quite a bit about the YAPC project, so he'll act as our primary point of contact there. > > I will work with Wayne Walker to get the Austin.pm website updated. > > I'm excited about the revitalization of Austin Perl Mongers, and I look forward to working with all of you to expand our Perl'ishness and have some fun! > > Thanks, > ~ Will Braswell, AES CTO & Austin.pm President > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From wbraswell at hush.com Thu Jul 26 13:10:21 2012 From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:10:21 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report Message-ID: <20120726201021.3ED86E6787@smtp.hushmail.com> James, I propose Trello Bot as a long-term, real-world Perl project. We briefly discussed Trello Bot at the meeting last night and I will give an official presentation and demo at the August meeting. Please check out the Trello Bot development board: https://trello.com/board/trello-bot-development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 Thanks, ~ Will On Thursday, July 26, 2012 at 3:07 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > >Good to hear it was well attended. I missed this one, and I'll be >in Wyoming climbing for the next one unfortunately. > >However, I'm curious as to what the thoughts or suggestions were >for long term activities to keep interest up? Personally I'm not >much inspired by passive talks. > >Is there any interest in actual real world projects of one sort or >another? A couple of ideas, > >- A 2D scroller zombie game > >- Core War implementation > >---- Will Braswell wrote: >> Howdy Perl Mongers, >> >> We had a great meeting and social hour, thanks to the 14 people >who joined us for pizza and beer! We've got some new (and old) >officers: >> >> Yours Truly, President >> Mark Lehmann, Vice President & Past President >> Jeremy Fluhmann, YAPC Representative >> Wayne Walker, Web Server Administrator >> >> We discussed a number of issues related to both technology in >general and Austin Perl Mongers business. >> >> I gave a brief description of the Trello platform and my >company's big Perl project: Trello Bot. I have created a Trello >organization for Austin Perl Mongers, and have sent Trello >invitations to everyone who came to the meeting. I will give a >presentation and demo of Trello Bot at the August meeting. Anyone >interested in Trello Bot can see the following websites and >contact me directly, we will be meeting for weekly pizza every >Tuesday evening at my office. >> >> https://trello.com/board/trello-bot- >development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 >> >> Don't have a Trello account yet? Create one and join the Austin >Perl Mongers organization! >> >> https://trello.com/austinperlmongers >> >> For now we will continue meeting on the 4th Wednesday of each >month, so the next meeting will be on August 22nd from 8-10pm. VP >Lehmann will contact Genuine Joe's and Mangia's to see which will >better serve our needs. >> >> Jeremy Fluhmann knows quite a bit about the YAPC project, so >he'll act as our primary point of contact there. >> >> I will work with Wayne Walker to get the Austin.pm website >updated. >> >> I'm excited about the revitalization of Austin Perl Mongers, and >I look forward to working with all of you to expand our >Perl'ishness and have some fun! >> >> Thanks, >> ~ Will Braswell, AES CTO & Austin.pm President >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Austin mailing list >> Austin at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > >-- > -- -- -- -- >Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > >jameschoate at austin.rr.com >jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org >ravage at ssz.com >james.choate at g.austincc.edu >jchoate00001 at gmail.com >james.choate at twcable.com >h: 512-657-1279 >w: 512-845-8989 >http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center >http://confusionresearchcenter.org >http://arbornet.org (ravage) > >Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 26 15:02:36 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:02:36 +0000 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120726201021.3ED86E6787@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <20120726220237.PTJIS.4721.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Trello is a commercial project, no? I don't think doing work for a commercial enterprise is appropriate to be honest, especially for free. ---- Will Braswell wrote: > James, > > I propose Trello Bot as a long-term, real-world Perl project. We briefly discussed Trello Bot at the meeting last night and I will give an official presentation and demo at the August meeting. > > Please check out the Trello Bot development board: > > https://trello.com/board/trello-bot-development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 > > Thanks, > ~ Will > > > > On Thursday, July 26, 2012 at 3:07 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > > > >Good to hear it was well attended. I missed this one, and I'll be > >in Wyoming climbing for the next one unfortunately. > > > >However, I'm curious as to what the thoughts or suggestions were > >for long term activities to keep interest up? Personally I'm not > >much inspired by passive talks. > > > >Is there any interest in actual real world projects of one sort or > >another? A couple of ideas, > > > >- A 2D scroller zombie game > > > >- Core War implementation > > > >---- Will Braswell wrote: > >> Howdy Perl Mongers, > >> > >> We had a great meeting and social hour, thanks to the 14 people > >who joined us for pizza and beer! We've got some new (and old) > >officers: > >> > >> Yours Truly, President > >> Mark Lehmann, Vice President & Past President > >> Jeremy Fluhmann, YAPC Representative > >> Wayne Walker, Web Server Administrator > >> > >> We discussed a number of issues related to both technology in > >general and Austin Perl Mongers business. > >> > >> I gave a brief description of the Trello platform and my > >company's big Perl project: Trello Bot. I have created a Trello > >organization for Austin Perl Mongers, and have sent Trello > >invitations to everyone who came to the meeting. I will give a > >presentation and demo of Trello Bot at the August meeting. Anyone > >interested in Trello Bot can see the following websites and > >contact me directly, we will be meeting for weekly pizza every > >Tuesday evening at my office. > >> > >> https://trello.com/board/trello-bot- > >development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 > >> > >> Don't have a Trello account yet? Create one and join the Austin > >Perl Mongers organization! > >> > >> https://trello.com/austinperlmongers > >> > >> For now we will continue meeting on the 4th Wednesday of each > >month, so the next meeting will be on August 22nd from 8-10pm. VP > >Lehmann will contact Genuine Joe's and Mangia's to see which will > >better serve our needs. > >> > >> Jeremy Fluhmann knows quite a bit about the YAPC project, so > >he'll act as our primary point of contact there. > >> > >> I will work with Wayne Walker to get the Austin.pm website > >updated. > >> > >> I'm excited about the revitalization of Austin Perl Mongers, and > >I look forward to working with all of you to expand our > >Perl'ishness and have some fun! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> ~ Will Braswell, AES CTO & Austin.pm President > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Austin mailing list > >> Austin at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > > > >-- > > -- -- -- -- > >Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > > > >jameschoate at austin.rr.com > >jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org > >ravage at ssz.com > >james.choate at g.austincc.edu > >jchoate00001 at gmail.com > >james.choate at twcable.com > >h: 512-657-1279 > >w: 512-845-8989 > >http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center > >http://confusionresearchcenter.org > >http://arbornet.org (ravage) > > > >Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > > -- -- -- -- > -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jayflaherty at gmail.com Thu Jul 26 15:23:42 2012 From: jayflaherty at gmail.com (Jay Flaherty) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:23:42 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120726220237.PTJIS.4721.root@hrndva-web20-z01> References: <20120726220237.PTJIS.4721.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Message-ID: <5011C36E.1030601@gmail.com> It is not open source but it is free. Jay On 07/26/2012 05:02 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > Trello is a commercial project, no? I don't think doing work for a commercial enterprise is appropriate to be honest, especially for free. > > ---- Will Braswell wrote: >> James, >> >> I propose Trello Bot as a long-term, real-world Perl project. We briefly discussed Trello Bot at the meeting last night and I will give an official presentation and demo at the August meeting. >> >> Please check out the Trello Bot development board: >> >> https://trello.com/board/trello-bot-development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 >> >> Thanks, >> ~ Will >> >> >> >> On Thursday, July 26, 2012 at 3:07 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: >>> Good to hear it was well attended. I missed this one, and I'll be >>> in Wyoming climbing for the next one unfortunately. >>> >>> However, I'm curious as to what the thoughts or suggestions were >>> for long term activities to keep interest up? Personally I'm not >>> much inspired by passive talks. >>> >>> Is there any interest in actual real world projects of one sort or >>> another? A couple of ideas, >>> >>> - A 2D scroller zombie game >>> >>> - Core War implementation >>> >>> ---- Will Braswell wrote: >>>> Howdy Perl Mongers, >>>> >>>> We had a great meeting and social hour, thanks to the 14 people >>> who joined us for pizza and beer! We've got some new (and old) >>> officers: >>>> Yours Truly, President >>>> Mark Lehmann, Vice President & Past President >>>> Jeremy Fluhmann, YAPC Representative >>>> Wayne Walker, Web Server Administrator >>>> >>>> We discussed a number of issues related to both technology in >>> general and Austin Perl Mongers business. >>>> I gave a brief description of the Trello platform and my >>> company's big Perl project: Trello Bot. I have created a Trello >>> organization for Austin Perl Mongers, and have sent Trello >>> invitations to everyone who came to the meeting. I will give a >>> presentation and demo of Trello Bot at the August meeting. Anyone >>> interested in Trello Bot can see the following websites and >>> contact me directly, we will be meeting for weekly pizza every >>> Tuesday evening at my office. >>>> https://trello.com/board/trello-bot- >>> development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 >>>> Don't have a Trello account yet? Create one and join the Austin >>> Perl Mongers organization! >>>> https://trello.com/austinperlmongers >>>> >>>> For now we will continue meeting on the 4th Wednesday of each >>> month, so the next meeting will be on August 22nd from 8-10pm. VP >>> Lehmann will contact Genuine Joe's and Mangia's to see which will >>> better serve our needs. >>>> Jeremy Fluhmann knows quite a bit about the YAPC project, so >>> he'll act as our primary point of contact there. >>>> I will work with Wayne Walker to get the Austin.pm website >>> updated. >>>> I'm excited about the revitalization of Austin Perl Mongers, and >>> I look forward to working with all of you to expand our >>> Perl'ishness and have some fun! >>>> Thanks, >>>> ~ Will Braswell, AES CTO & Austin.pm President >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Austin mailing list >>>> Austin at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin >>> -- >>> -- -- -- -- >>> Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus >>> >>> jameschoate at austin.rr.com >>> jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org >>> ravage at ssz.com >>> james.choate at g.austincc.edu >>> jchoate00001 at gmail.com >>> james.choate at twcable.com >>> h: 512-657-1279 >>> w: 512-845-8989 >>> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center >>> http://confusionresearchcenter.org >>> http://arbornet.org (ravage) >>> >>> Adapt, Adopt, Improvise >>> -- -- -- -- > -- > -- -- -- -- > Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > > jameschoate at austin.rr.com > jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org > ravage at ssz.com > james.choate at g.austincc.edu > jchoate00001 at gmail.com > james.choate at twcable.com > h: 512-657-1279 > w: 512-845-8989 > http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center > http://confusionresearchcenter.org > http://arbornet.org (ravage) > > Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > -- -- -- -- > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin From taylor at codecafe.com Thu Jul 26 16:22:43 2012 From: taylor at codecafe.com (Taylor Carpenter) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:22:43 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120726200727.SDOZJ.3877.root@hrndva-web20-z01> References: <20120726064624.DCC0BE6775@smtp.hushmail.com> <20120726200727.SDOZJ.3877.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Message-ID: A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting idea. I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are interested in the project to attend those meetings. This could be a single on-going project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest.... For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic. Otherwise the group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current topic. Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of interest. Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they are working on, and chat in general is also good. Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see at future PM meetings. BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well. Anyone uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tshinnic at prismnet.com Thu Jul 26 19:11:50 2012 From: tshinnic at prismnet.com (Thomas L. Shinnick) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:11:50 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <5011C36E.1030601@gmail.com> References: <20120726220237.PTJIS.4721.root@hrndva-web20-z01> <5011C36E.1030601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26.4A.02978.CE8F1105@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Why speculate when you can check? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trello Will has something that will be using the API published by Trello. At 05:23 PM 7/26/2012, Jay Flaherty wrote: >It is not open source but it is free. > >Jay > >On 07/26/2012 05:02 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: >>Trello is a commercial project, no? I don't think doing work for a >>commercial enterprise is appropriate to be honest, especially for free. >> >>---- Will Braswell wrote: >>>James, >>> >>>I propose Trello Bot as a long-term, real-world Perl project. We >>>briefly discussed Trello Bot at the meeting last night and I will >>>give an official presentation and demo at the August meeting. >>> >>>Please check out the Trello Bot development board: >>> >>>https://trello.com/board/trello-bot-development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 >>> >>>Thanks, >>>~ Will >>> >>> >>> >>>On Thursday, July 26, 2012 at 3:07 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: >>>>Good to hear it was well attended. I missed this one, and I'll be >>>>in Wyoming climbing for the next one unfortunately. >>>> >>>>However, I'm curious as to what the thoughts or suggestions were >>>>for long term activities to keep interest up? Personally I'm not >>>>much inspired by passive talks. >>>> >>>>Is there any interest in actual real world projects of one sort or >>>>another? A couple of ideas, >>>> >>>>- A 2D scroller zombie game >>>> >>>>- Core War implementation >>>> >>>>---- Will Braswell wrote: >>>>>Howdy Perl Mongers, >>>>> >>>>>We had a great meeting and social hour, thanks to the 14 people >>>>who joined us for pizza and beer! We've got some new (and old) >>>>officers: >>>>>Yours Truly, President >>>>>Mark Lehmann, Vice President & Past President >>>>>Jeremy Fluhmann, YAPC Representative >>>>>Wayne Walker, Web Server Administrator >>>>> >>>>>We discussed a number of issues related to both technology in >>>>general and Austin Perl Mongers business. >>>>>I gave a brief description of the Trello platform and my >>>>company's big Perl project: Trello Bot. I have created a Trello >>>>organization for Austin Perl Mongers, and have sent Trello >>>>invitations to everyone who came to the meeting. I will give a >>>>presentation and demo of Trello Bot at the August meeting. Anyone >>>>interested in Trello Bot can see the following websites and >>>>contact me directly, we will be meeting for weekly pizza every >>>>Tuesday evening at my office. >>>>>https://trello.com/board/trello-bot- >>>>development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 >>>>>Don't have a Trello account yet? Create one and join the Austin >>>>Perl Mongers organization! >>>>>https://trello.com/austinperlmongers >>>>> >>>>>For now we will continue meeting on the 4th Wednesday of each >>>>month, so the next meeting will be on August 22nd from 8-10pm. VP >>>>Lehmann will contact Genuine Joe's and Mangia's to see which will >>>>better serve our needs. >>>>>Jeremy Fluhmann knows quite a bit about the YAPC project, so >>>>he'll act as our primary point of contact there. >>>>>I will work with Wayne Walker to get the Austin.pm website >>>>updated. >>>>>I'm excited about the revitalization of Austin Perl Mongers, and >>>>I look forward to working with all of you to expand our >>>>Perl'ishness and have some fun! >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>~ Will Braswell, AES CTO & Austin.pm President >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Austin mailing list >>>>>Austin at pm.org >>>>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin >>>>-- >>>>-- -- -- -- >>>>Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus >>>> >>>>jameschoate at austin.rr.com >>>>jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org >>>>ravage at ssz.com >>>>james.choate at g.austincc.edu >>>>jchoate00001 at gmail.com >>>>james.choate at twcable.com >>>>h: 512-657-1279 >>>>w: 512-845-8989 >>>>http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center >>>>http://confusionresearchcenter.org >>>>http://arbornet.org (ravage) >>>> >>>>Adapt, Adopt, Improvise >>>>-- -- -- -- >>-- >> -- -- -- -- >>Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus >> >>jameschoate at austin.rr.com >>jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org >>ravage at ssz.com >>james.choate at g.austincc.edu >>jchoate00001 at gmail.com >>james.choate at twcable.com >>h: 512-657-1279 >>w: 512-845-8989 >>http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center >>http://confusionresearchcenter.org >>http://arbornet.org (ravage) >> >>Adapt, Adopt, Improvise >> -- -- -- -- >>_______________________________________________ >>Austin mailing list >>Austin at pm.org >>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > >_______________________________________________ >Austin mailing list >Austin at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 05:27:34 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:27:34 +0000 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <5011C36E.1030601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120727122734.HMEZ5.9113.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Ah, so it's a commercial data mining project that sells ad space then? Give the razors away, sell the blades. But, Trello is a commercial enterprise is it not? They have some sort of business plan they believe will put $$$ in their bank account. ---- Jay Flaherty wrote: > It is not open source but it is free. > > Jay > > On 07/26/2012 05:02 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > > Trello is a commercial project, no? I don't think doing work for a commercial enterprise is appropriate to be honest, especially for free. > > > > ---- Will Braswell wrote: > >> James, > >> > >> I propose Trello Bot as a long-term, real-world Perl project. We briefly discussed Trello Bot at the meeting last night and I will give an official presentation and demo at the August meeting. > >> > >> Please check out the Trello Bot development board: > >> > >> https://trello.com/board/trello-bot-development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 > >> > >> Thanks, > >> ~ Will > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, July 26, 2012 at 3:07 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > >>> Good to hear it was well attended. I missed this one, and I'll be > >>> in Wyoming climbing for the next one unfortunately. > >>> > >>> However, I'm curious as to what the thoughts or suggestions were > >>> for long term activities to keep interest up? Personally I'm not > >>> much inspired by passive talks. > >>> > >>> Is there any interest in actual real world projects of one sort or > >>> another? A couple of ideas, > >>> > >>> - A 2D scroller zombie game > >>> > >>> - Core War implementation > >>> > >>> ---- Will Braswell wrote: > >>>> Howdy Perl Mongers, > >>>> > >>>> We had a great meeting and social hour, thanks to the 14 people > >>> who joined us for pizza and beer! We've got some new (and old) > >>> officers: > >>>> Yours Truly, President > >>>> Mark Lehmann, Vice President & Past President > >>>> Jeremy Fluhmann, YAPC Representative > >>>> Wayne Walker, Web Server Administrator > >>>> > >>>> We discussed a number of issues related to both technology in > >>> general and Austin Perl Mongers business. > >>>> I gave a brief description of the Trello platform and my > >>> company's big Perl project: Trello Bot. I have created a Trello > >>> organization for Austin Perl Mongers, and have sent Trello > >>> invitations to everyone who came to the meeting. I will give a > >>> presentation and demo of Trello Bot at the August meeting. Anyone > >>> interested in Trello Bot can see the following websites and > >>> contact me directly, we will be meeting for weekly pizza every > >>> Tuesday evening at my office. > >>>> https://trello.com/board/trello-bot- > >>> development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 > >>>> Don't have a Trello account yet? Create one and join the Austin > >>> Perl Mongers organization! > >>>> https://trello.com/austinperlmongers > >>>> > >>>> For now we will continue meeting on the 4th Wednesday of each > >>> month, so the next meeting will be on August 22nd from 8-10pm. VP > >>> Lehmann will contact Genuine Joe's and Mangia's to see which will > >>> better serve our needs. > >>>> Jeremy Fluhmann knows quite a bit about the YAPC project, so > >>> he'll act as our primary point of contact there. > >>>> I will work with Wayne Walker to get the Austin.pm website > >>> updated. > >>>> I'm excited about the revitalization of Austin Perl Mongers, and > >>> I look forward to working with all of you to expand our > >>> Perl'ishness and have some fun! > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> ~ Will Braswell, AES CTO & Austin.pm President > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Austin mailing list > >>>> Austin at pm.org > >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > >>> -- > >>> -- -- -- -- > >>> Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > >>> > >>> jameschoate at austin.rr.com > >>> jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org > >>> ravage at ssz.com > >>> james.choate at g.austincc.edu > >>> jchoate00001 at gmail.com > >>> james.choate at twcable.com > >>> h: 512-657-1279 > >>> w: 512-845-8989 > >>> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center > >>> http://confusionresearchcenter.org > >>> http://arbornet.org (ravage) > >>> > >>> Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > >>> -- -- -- -- > > -- > > -- -- -- -- > > Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > > > > jameschoate at austin.rr.com > > jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org > > ravage at ssz.com > > james.choate at g.austincc.edu > > jchoate00001 at gmail.com > > james.choate at twcable.com > > h: 512-657-1279 > > w: 512-845-8989 > > http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center > > http://confusionresearchcenter.org > > http://arbornet.org (ravage) > > > > Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > > -- -- -- -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Austin mailing list > > Austin at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 05:32:57 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 7:32:57 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120727123258.P07PK.9155.root@hrndva-web20-z01> I'm not speaking to talks or presentations that fit nicely into an hour venue so people can sit around and eat pizza. The utility for that is really not that high. I'm talking about a long term effort to have a sequence of projects or events that promote the use of perl by actually doing perl. I realize for some that's a problem due to contractual limitations (ala IBM) but there has to be a better way to promote perl than free pizza and listening to somebodies sales pitch once a month. To be honest, booooring. Hands-on real world, and by real world I mean more than just working on some commercial project. I also recognize that the Pareto Principle will be involved with a vengeance. ---- Taylor Carpenter wrote: > A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting idea. > > I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are interested > in the project to attend those meetings. This could be a single on-going > project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest.... > > For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in > general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic. Otherwise the > group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current topic. > Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that > everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of interest. > Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they are > working on, and chat in general is also good. > > Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the > Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see at > future PM meetings. > > BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to > allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well. Anyone > uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting. -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 05:34:52 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:34:52 +0000 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <26.4A.02978.CE8F1105@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <20120727123452.7YTH9.9178.root@hrndva-web20-z01> I did. You apparently made some assumptions and missed a point in there somewhere. ---- "Thomas L. Shinnick" wrote: > Why speculate when you can check? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trello > > Will has something that will be using the API published by Trello. > > At 05:23 PM 7/26/2012, Jay Flaherty wrote: > >It is not open source but it is free. > > > >Jay > > > >On 07/26/2012 05:02 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > >>Trello is a commercial project, no? I don't think doing work for a > >>commercial enterprise is appropriate to be honest, especially for free. > >> > >>---- Will Braswell wrote: > >>>James, > >>> > >>>I propose Trello Bot as a long-term, real-world Perl project. We > >>>briefly discussed Trello Bot at the meeting last night and I will > >>>give an official presentation and demo at the August meeting. > >>> > >>>Please check out the Trello Bot development board: > >>> > >>>https://trello.com/board/trello-bot-development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 > >>> > >>>Thanks, > >>>~ Will > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On Thursday, July 26, 2012 at 3:07 PM, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > >>>>Good to hear it was well attended. I missed this one, and I'll be > >>>>in Wyoming climbing for the next one unfortunately. > >>>> > >>>>However, I'm curious as to what the thoughts or suggestions were > >>>>for long term activities to keep interest up? Personally I'm not > >>>>much inspired by passive talks. > >>>> > >>>>Is there any interest in actual real world projects of one sort or > >>>>another? A couple of ideas, > >>>> > >>>>- A 2D scroller zombie game > >>>> > >>>>- Core War implementation > >>>> > >>>>---- Will Braswell wrote: > >>>>>Howdy Perl Mongers, > >>>>> > >>>>>We had a great meeting and social hour, thanks to the 14 people > >>>>who joined us for pizza and beer! We've got some new (and old) > >>>>officers: > >>>>>Yours Truly, President > >>>>>Mark Lehmann, Vice President & Past President > >>>>>Jeremy Fluhmann, YAPC Representative > >>>>>Wayne Walker, Web Server Administrator > >>>>> > >>>>>We discussed a number of issues related to both technology in > >>>>general and Austin Perl Mongers business. > >>>>>I gave a brief description of the Trello platform and my > >>>>company's big Perl project: Trello Bot. I have created a Trello > >>>>organization for Austin Perl Mongers, and have sent Trello > >>>>invitations to everyone who came to the meeting. I will give a > >>>>presentation and demo of Trello Bot at the August meeting. Anyone > >>>>interested in Trello Bot can see the following websites and > >>>>contact me directly, we will be meeting for weekly pizza every > >>>>Tuesday evening at my office. > >>>>>https://trello.com/board/trello-bot- > >>>>development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 > >>>>>Don't have a Trello account yet? Create one and join the Austin > >>>>Perl Mongers organization! > >>>>>https://trello.com/austinperlmongers > >>>>> > >>>>>For now we will continue meeting on the 4th Wednesday of each > >>>>month, so the next meeting will be on August 22nd from 8-10pm. VP > >>>>Lehmann will contact Genuine Joe's and Mangia's to see which will > >>>>better serve our needs. > >>>>>Jeremy Fluhmann knows quite a bit about the YAPC project, so > >>>>he'll act as our primary point of contact there. > >>>>>I will work with Wayne Walker to get the Austin.pm website > >>>>updated. > >>>>>I'm excited about the revitalization of Austin Perl Mongers, and > >>>>I look forward to working with all of you to expand our > >>>>Perl'ishness and have some fun! > >>>>>Thanks, > >>>>>~ Will Braswell, AES CTO & Austin.pm President > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>Austin mailing list > >>>>>Austin at pm.org > >>>>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > >>>>-- > >>>>-- -- -- -- > >>>>Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > >>>> > >>>>jameschoate at austin.rr.com > >>>>jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org > >>>>ravage at ssz.com > >>>>james.choate at g.austincc.edu > >>>>jchoate00001 at gmail.com > >>>>james.choate at twcable.com > >>>>h: 512-657-1279 > >>>>w: 512-845-8989 > >>>>http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center > >>>>http://confusionresearchcenter.org > >>>>http://arbornet.org (ravage) > >>>> > >>>>Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > >>>>-- -- -- -- > >>-- > >> -- -- -- -- > >>Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > >> > >>jameschoate at austin.rr.com > >>jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org > >>ravage at ssz.com > >>james.choate at g.austincc.edu > >>jchoate00001 at gmail.com > >>james.choate at twcable.com > >>h: 512-657-1279 > >>w: 512-845-8989 > >>http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center > >>http://confusionresearchcenter.org > >>http://arbornet.org (ravage) > >> > >>Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > >> -- -- -- -- > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Austin mailing list > >>Austin at pm.org > >>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Austin mailing list > >Austin at pm.org > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From John_Warner at Dell.com Fri Jul 27 06:50:36 2012 From: John_Warner at Dell.com (John_Warner at Dell.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 08:50:36 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120727123258.P07PK.9155.root@hrndva-web20-z01> References: <20120727123258.P07PK.9155.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Message-ID: <49D22114906FA94DA7035A6A4E79C2C7783C2979F0@AUSX7MCPC101.AMER.DELL.COM> I'm totally down with this even if it means doing some work for free as I don't get much opportunity to do programming in my current job role. From my viewpoint, this would be like an unpaid internship and I would get to learn from people outside of my company. Cross pollination is always a good thing IMO. A fun idea would be to hold a programming contest a la the annual ACM programming contests held at various college campuses every year. John Warner Dell | Systems Management Software Lab? office +1 512 723 2793, 800 945 3355 ext 7232793 john_warner at dell.com Dell Inc. One Dell Way, MS RR5-P170, Round Rock, TX 78682 -----Original Message----- From: Austin [mailto:austin-bounces+john_warner=dell.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of jameschoate at austin.rr.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 7:33 AM To: Taylor Carpenter; austin at pm.org Subject: Re: APM: Meeting Report I'm not speaking to talks or presentations that fit nicely into an hour venue so people can sit around and eat pizza. The utility for that is really not that high. I'm talking about a long term effort to have a sequence of projects or events that promote the use of perl by actually doing perl. I realize for some that's a problem due to contractual limitations (ala IBM) but there has to be a better way to promote perl than free pizza and listening to somebodies sales pitch once a month. To be honest, booooring. Hands-on real world, and by real world I mean more than just working on some commercial project. I also recognize that the Pareto Principle will be involved with a vengeance. ---- Taylor Carpenter wrote: > A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting idea. > > I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are interested > in the project to attend those meetings. This could be a single on-going > project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest.... > > For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in > general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic. Otherwise the > group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current topic. > Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that > everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of interest. > Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they > are working on, and chat in general is also good. > > Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the > Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see > at future PM meetings. > > BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to > allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well. Anyone > uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting. -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- _______________________________________________ Austin mailing list Austin at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin From fluhmann at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 08:08:49 2012 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:08:49 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: References: <20120726064624.DCC0BE6775@smtp.hushmail.com> <20120726200727.SDOZJ.3877.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Taylor Carpenter wrote: > A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting idea. > > I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are interested > in the project to attend those meetings. This could be a single on-going > project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest.... > > For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in > general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic. Otherwise the > group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current topic. > Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that > everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of interest. > Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they are > working on, and chat in general is also good. > > Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the > Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see at > future PM meetings. > > BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to > allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well. Anyone > uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting. > +1 Cheers, Jeremy -- Jeremy Fluhmann *http://twitter.com/jfluhmann** http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.d.millard at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 08:50:10 2012 From: chris.d.millard at gmail.com (Chris Millard) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:50:10 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: References: <20120726064624.DCC0BE6775@smtp.hushmail.com> <20120726200727.SDOZJ.3877.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Message-ID: Taylor Carpenter++ A shorter presentation format has several advantages, not the least of which is encouraging presenters to use their time wisely. When all you have is 30 minutes, that time is precious. It tends to help avoid presentations that bog down in minutiae or simplistic tutorials. I suspect some presentations will need to take longer, though, and I think that's OK. Deep dives are fun, and often more illuminating when dealing with the more esoteric aspects of our craft. I firmly believe what we do is more art than science. On the project side, I think a project would be a fantastic idea. However, I would prefer that it be done on the side, with meetings before/after the PM meeting, or on another day. A project can largely be done remote, with quick hacking sessions to do tutoring, brainstorming, and breaking through roadblocks. In regards to what the project is, I'll echo discomfort around the idea of working on something that will be used commercially*. That sounds ripe for a conflict of interests. That said, I was NOT at the meeting this week, and i don't feel i can speak to the proposal on the table. Consider these general thoughts. Great discussion, guys, keep it up. All the best, Chris * An open source project which could be picked up for commercial use I have no issue with (see: perl). On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Taylor Carpenter wrote: > >> A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting idea. >> >> I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are interested >> in the project to attend those meetings. This could be a single on-going >> project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest.... >> >> For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in >> general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic. Otherwise the >> group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current topic. >> Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that >> everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of interest. >> Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they are >> working on, and chat in general is also good. >> >> Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the >> Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see at >> future PM meetings. >> >> BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to >> allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well. Anyone >> uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting. >> > > +1 > > Cheers, > Jeremy > -- > > Jeremy Fluhmann > *http://twitter.com/jfluhmann** > http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org > Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org > Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org* > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -- Cheers, Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taylor at codecafe.com Fri Jul 27 09:32:54 2012 From: taylor at codecafe.com (Taylor Carpenter) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:32:54 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120727123258.P07PK.9155.root@hrndva-web20-z01> References: <20120727123258.P07PK.9155.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Message-ID: <20120727163254.GA14449@codecafe.com> On 07/27/12 at 07:32am, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > I'm talking about a long term effort to have a sequence of projects or > events that promote the use of perl by actually doing perl. Sounds like a project specific meetup for people already working on some project. An alternative would be a open hack group where a bunch of different projects are going on at any given time and anyone can help or chat about what ever was interesting to them -- including just working by themselves and requesting feedback when desired. > I realize for some that's a problem due to contractual limitations (ala IBM) but > there has to be a better way to promote perl than free pizza and > listening to somebodies sales pitch once a month. Free pizza is new and not required. If meetups always were about a sales pitch then most would fail. Also a single talk for an hour+ is usually overkill unless there is interactive learning of some type... that might be coding, but it could easily be Q&A during the talk (vs after). The topic can be pitched to the group on the mailing list or at the end of a meeting to see the interest level and the talk should be adjusted accordingly. Leaning towards more talks per meeting means each talk gets to the point faster w/o the fluff. In any case I suggest a vote on where this PM group should take the meetings. Here is a survey I created based on the current discussion thread: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3KQPR8G Fill it in and I'll pass all the results on or create a new one. In any case a vote should be taken so we can move on. From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 09:34:02 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:34:02 +0000 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <49D22114906FA94DA7035A6A4E79C2C7783C2979F0@AUSX7MCPC101.AMER.DELL.COM> Message-ID: <20120727163402.ISGIO.11445.root@hrndva-web20-z01> I think you bring up the point of distinction I was working on in a round about way. it is one thing for somebody to come to APM and say they have a project and they're looking for individual help. I am not addressing this in any way, form, or fashion. The flip side is what can APM do to --promote perl-- by initiating, executing, planning, participating, etc. in activities in which perl may be used? They should be non-commercial in that APM is not supporting or promoting a business. That's not what PM is about, at least it wasn't way back in the 90's when the movement was started. Perhaps it's morphed (I hope not). I have my own interests, ideas, and goals (e.g. http://confusionresearchcenter.org/Projects/) that drive what level of activity I'm willing to give. The two primary points being STEM related (and commercial coding skills is only peripheral to this) hands-on activity and it being related to some real world issue or problem (and my range of interests there are much wider than simply one or two hard sciences, http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/1997/02/2082). ---- John_Warner at Dell.com wrote: > I'm totally down with this even if it means doing some work for free as I don't get much opportunity to do programming in my current job role. From my viewpoint, this would be like an unpaid internship and I would get to learn from people outside of my company. Cross pollination is always a good thing IMO. > > A fun idea would be to hold a programming contest a la the annual ACM programming contests held at various college campuses every year. > > > John Warner > Dell | Systems Management Software Lab? > office +1 512 723 2793, 800 945 3355 ext 7232793 > john_warner at dell.com > Dell Inc. One Dell Way, MS RR5-P170, Round Rock, TX 78682 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Austin [mailto:austin-bounces+john_warner=dell.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of jameschoate at austin.rr.com > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 7:33 AM > To: Taylor Carpenter; austin at pm.org > Subject: Re: APM: Meeting Report > > I'm not speaking to talks or presentations that fit nicely into an hour venue so people can sit around and eat pizza. The utility for that is really not that high. > > I'm talking about a long term effort to have a sequence of projects or events that promote the use of perl by actually doing perl. I realize for some that's a problem due to contractual limitations (ala IBM) but there has to be a better way to promote perl than free pizza and listening to somebodies sales pitch once a month. To be honest, booooring. Hands-on real world, and by real world I mean more than just working on some commercial project. I also recognize that the Pareto Principle will be involved with a vengeance. > > ---- Taylor Carpenter wrote: > > A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting idea. > > > > I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are interested > > in the project to attend those meetings. This could be a single on-going > > project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest.... > > > > For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in > > general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic. Otherwise the > > group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current topic. > > Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that > > everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of interest. > > Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they > > are working on, and chat in general is also good. > > > > Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the > > Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see > > at future PM meetings. > > > > BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to > > allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well. Anyone > > uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting. > > -- > -- -- -- -- > Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > > jameschoate at austin.rr.com > jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org > ravage at ssz.com > james.choate at g.austincc.edu > jchoate00001 at gmail.com > james.choate at twcable.com > h: 512-657-1279 > w: 512-845-8989 > http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center > http://confusionresearchcenter.org > http://arbornet.org (ravage) > > Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > -- -- -- -- > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 09:35:30 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:35:30 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120727163530.L61YG.11456.root@hrndva-web20-z01> -1 The point isn't about meetings, it's about activities. Completely different point and it should be a primary focus of the APM main meetings. It's fundamental to the existence of a SIG. ---- Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Taylor Carpenter wrote: > > > A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting idea. > > > > I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are interested > > in the project to attend those meetings. This could be a single on-going > > project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest.... > > > > For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in > > general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic. Otherwise the > > group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current topic. > > Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that > > everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of interest. > > Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they are > > working on, and chat in general is also good. > > > > Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the > > Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see at > > future PM meetings. > > > > BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to > > allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well. Anyone > > uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting. > > > > +1 > > Cheers, > Jeremy > -- > > Jeremy Fluhmann > *http://twitter.com/jfluhmann** > http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org > Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org > Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org* -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 09:37:14 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:37:14 +0000 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120727163715.3FFTR.11494.root@hrndva-web20-z01> You've got the right sort of theme, wrong description or understanding of what a 'project' is. ---- Chris Millard wrote: > Taylor Carpenter++ > > A shorter presentation format has several advantages, not the least of > which is encouraging presenters to use their time wisely. When all you > have is 30 minutes, that time is precious. It tends to help avoid > presentations that bog down in minutiae or simplistic tutorials. > > I suspect some presentations will need to take longer, though, and I think > that's OK. Deep dives are fun, and often more illuminating when dealing > with the more esoteric aspects of our craft. I firmly believe what we do > is more art than science. > > On the project side, I think a project would be a fantastic idea. However, > I would prefer that it be done on the side, with meetings before/after the > PM meeting, or on another day. A project can largely be done remote, with > quick hacking sessions to do tutoring, brainstorming, and breaking through > roadblocks. > > In regards to what the project is, I'll echo discomfort around the idea of > working on something that will be used commercially*. That sounds ripe for > a conflict of interests. That said, I was NOT at the meeting this week, > and i don't feel i can speak to the proposal on the table. Consider these > general thoughts. > > Great discussion, guys, keep it up. > > All the best, > Chris > > * An open source project which could be picked up for commercial use I have > no issue with (see: perl). > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Taylor Carpenter wrote: > > > >> A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting idea. > >> > >> I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are interested > >> in the project to attend those meetings. This could be a single on-going > >> project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest.... > >> > >> For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in > >> general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic. Otherwise the > >> group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current topic. > >> Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that > >> everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of interest. > >> Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they are > >> working on, and chat in general is also good. > >> > >> Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the > >> Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see at > >> future PM meetings. > >> > >> BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to > >> allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well. Anyone > >> uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting. > >> > > > > +1 > > > > Cheers, > > Jeremy > > -- > > > > Jeremy Fluhmann > > *http://twitter.com/jfluhmann** > > http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org > > Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org > > Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Austin mailing list > > Austin at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > Chris -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 10:02:39 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:02:39 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120727163254.GA14449@codecafe.com> Message-ID: <20120727170239.KUZND.11711.root@hrndva-web20-z01> The purpose of APM is to promote perl, the primary problem it faces is having a theme for activities. What the monthly meeting needs to be by default is a project planning brainstorm of participants. It's goal should be have a discussion about ideas and selection good candidates to put effort into. If participants want to have talks or demonstrations they should be scheduled for some future date and location. In --some-- cases a short presentation or talk could be given at the monthly meeting, but it should be the exception. The challenge to the participants is to have a list of topics/subjects/projects/ideas/problems/etc. that are discussed and prioritized. The one or two on top get the current effort of the group members. The suggestion that efforts should be in parallel and separate meetings should apply to all APM activities that are not directly related to figuring out what it is we want to do and when. ---- Taylor Carpenter wrote: > On 07/27/12 at 07:32am, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > > I'm talking about a long term effort to have a sequence of projects or > > events that promote the use of perl by actually doing perl. > > Sounds like a project specific meetup for people already working on some > project. > > An alternative would be a open hack group where a bunch of different projects > are going on at any given time and anyone can help or chat about what > ever was interesting to them -- including just working by themselves and > requesting feedback when desired. > > > I realize for some that's a problem due to contractual limitations (ala IBM) but > > there has to be a better way to promote perl than free pizza and > > listening to somebodies sales pitch once a month. > > Free pizza is new and not required. If meetups always were about a > sales pitch then most would fail. > > Also a single talk for an hour+ is usually overkill unless there is > interactive learning of some type... that might be coding, but it could > easily be Q&A during the talk (vs after). The topic can be pitched to > the group on the mailing list or at the end of a meeting to see the > interest level and the talk should be adjusted accordingly. > > Leaning towards more talks per meeting means each talk gets to the point > faster w/o the fluff. > > In any case I suggest a vote on where this PM group should take the > meetings. Here is a survey I created based on the current discussion > thread: > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3KQPR8G > > Fill it in and I'll pass all the results on or create a new one. In any > case a vote should be taken so we can move on. > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 10:02:50 2012 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:02:50 +0000 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120727163254.GA14449@codecafe.com> Message-ID: <20120727170250.XP702.11715.root@hrndva-web20-z01> The purpose of APM is to promote perl, the primary problem it faces is having a theme for activities. What the monthly meeting needs to be by default is a project planning brainstorm of participants. It's goal should be have a discussion about ideas and selection good candidates to put effort into. If participants want to have talks or demonstrations they should be scheduled for some future date and location. In --some-- cases a short presentation or talk could be given at the monthly meeting, but it should be the exception. The challenge to the participants is to have a list of topics/subjects/projects/ideas/problems/etc. that are discussed and prioritized. The one or two on top get the current effort of the group members. The suggestion that efforts should be in parallel and separate meetings should apply to all APM activities that are not directly related to figuring out what it is we want to do and when. ---- Taylor Carpenter wrote: > On 07/27/12 at 07:32am, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > > I'm talking about a long term effort to have a sequence of projects or > > events that promote the use of perl by actually doing perl. > > Sounds like a project specific meetup for people already working on some > project. > > An alternative would be a open hack group where a bunch of different projects > are going on at any given time and anyone can help or chat about what > ever was interesting to them -- including just working by themselves and > requesting feedback when desired. > > > I realize for some that's a problem due to contractual limitations (ala IBM) but > > there has to be a better way to promote perl than free pizza and > > listening to somebodies sales pitch once a month. > > Free pizza is new and not required. If meetups always were about a > sales pitch then most would fail. > > Also a single talk for an hour+ is usually overkill unless there is > interactive learning of some type... that might be coding, but it could > easily be Q&A during the talk (vs after). The topic can be pitched to > the group on the mailing list or at the end of a meeting to see the > interest level and the talk should be adjusted accordingly. > > Leaning towards more talks per meeting means each talk gets to the point > faster w/o the fluff. > > In any case I suggest a vote on where this PM group should take the > meetings. Here is a survey I created based on the current discussion > thread: > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3KQPR8G > > Fill it in and I'll pass all the results on or create a new one. In any > case a vote should be taken so we can move on. > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jameschoate at austin.rr.com jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org ravage at ssz.com james.choate at g.austincc.edu jchoate00001 at gmail.com james.choate at twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From fluhmann at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 10:04:53 2012 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:04:53 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120727163530.L61YG.11456.root@hrndva-web20-z01> References: <20120727163530.L61YG.11456.root@hrndva-web20-z01> Message-ID: Ouch, I've never been -1'd before. In any case, I've filled out the survey and look forward to attending as many of the meetings as possible and continue doing what I can to help promote Perl. Jeremy On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:35 AM, wrote: > -1 > > The point isn't about meetings, it's about activities. Completely > different point and it should be a primary focus of the APM main meetings. > It's fundamental to the existence of a SIG. > > ---- Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Taylor Carpenter >wrote: > > > > > A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting > idea. > > > > > > I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are > interested > > > in the project to attend those meetings. This could be a single > on-going > > > project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest.... > > > > > > For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in > > > general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic. Otherwise > the > > > group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current > topic. > > > Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that > > > everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of > interest. > > > Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they > are > > > working on, and chat in general is also good. > > > > > > Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the > > > Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see > at > > > future PM meetings. > > > > > > BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to > > > allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well. Anyone > > > uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting. > > > > > > > +1 > > > > Cheers, > > Jeremy > > -- > > > > Jeremy Fluhmann > > *http://twitter.com/jfluhmann** > > http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org > > Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org > > Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org* > > -- > -- -- -- -- > Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > > jameschoate at austin.rr.com > jchoate at confusionresearchcenter.org > ravage at ssz.com > james.choate at g.austincc.edu > jchoate00001 at gmail.com > james.choate at twcable.com > h: 512-657-1279 > w: 512-845-8989 > http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center > http://confusionresearchcenter.org > http://arbornet.org (ravage) > > Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > -- -- -- -- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They're currently under my @ perlfoundation.org E-mail address, but I can change that if anyone has an interest in posting. http://twitter.com/austin_pm http://identi.ca/austin_pm I did a quick search and didn't find any existing accounts, so if there's already accounts out there, I can kill these. Cheers, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taylor at codecafe.com Fri Jul 27 20:45:50 2012 From: taylor at codecafe.com (Taylor Carpenter) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:45:50 -0500 Subject: APM: Format of meeting survey In-Reply-To: <20120727175154.GC14449@codecafe.com> References: <20120727163254.GA14449@codecafe.com> <20120727170239.KUZND.11711.root@hrndva-web20-z01> <20120727175154.GC14449@codecafe.com> Message-ID: <20120728034550.GA28238@codecafe.com> I do not have a pro account so I can not do much... Here is a screen shot of the current stats: http://imgur.com/p7AKl From howanitz at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 06:08:34 2012 From: howanitz at gmail.com (Keith Howanitz) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:08:34 -0500 Subject: APM: Perl 6 games Message-ID: I think someone asked about suggestions for speakers and/or subjects for the YAPC.... I think something like these Perl 6 game tutorials might be of general interest: http://strangelyconsistent.org/blog/another-month-of-blogging-adventure-game-here-i-come http://rdstar.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/making-an-if-game-in-august/ I think I would like to see some non-game Perl 6 presentations also. -- -Keith howanitz at gmail.com From howanitz at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 07:01:14 2012 From: howanitz at gmail.com (Keith Howanitz) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:01:14 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20120727175154.GC14449@codecafe.com> References: <20120727163254.GA14449@codecafe.com> <20120727170239.KUZND.11711.root@hrndva-web20-z01> <20120727175154.GC14449@codecafe.com> Message-ID: I'm happy to see so much traffic on this list again. While the new apm president's project is not terribly exciting to me, having been at the last meeting, I did not get the feeling that he was trying to monopolize the group to the exclusion of other topics, and I am very thankful to him for his efforts in reinvigorating apm. I welcome all Perl subjects, even ones that are not directly interesting to me. I think a healthy, busy, group will have plenty of time for all types of Perl subjects and presenters. -- -Keith howanitz at gmail.com From pmichaud at pobox.com Mon Jul 30 08:17:16 2012 From: pmichaud at pobox.com (Patrick R. Michaud) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:17:16 -0500 Subject: APM: Perl 6 games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120730151716.GA7644@pmichaud.com> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 08:08:34AM -0500, Keith Howanitz wrote: > I think I would like to see some non-game Perl 6 presentations also. I'll be glad to drive down to Austin sometime and give a Perl 6 presentation; just let me know what sorts of things you'd like to see covered. Pm - Rakudo Perl 6 pumpking From wbraswell at hush.com Mon Jul 30 16:29:33 2012 From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:29:33 -0500 Subject: APM: Trello, Trello Bot, Commercial vs Open Source, and Monthly Meetings Message-ID: <20120730232933.BEB3B14DBD8@smtp.hushmail.com> Howdy Perl Mongers, There seems to be some amount of confusion about my suggestions and intentions, so I'm hoping this e-mail will serve to clear this up. Trello is a free, non-commercial web-based project management system released by Fog Creek Software. I am in no way connected to Fog Creek or official Trello development. The Trello.com servers run on the Amazon EC2 cloud, and the Trello server software code is NOT released as open source. The Trello API is documented and available for public development. Trello was developed by Fog Creek for their internal use, and was released for free public use as an act of altruism. There may be for-pay Trello features in the future, but the basic Trello platform will remain free. Think of Trello as a kind of Facebook-like platform that is task-oriented rather than socializing-oriented like Facebook itself. However, unlike Facebook there are no ads on Trello, and the point of Trello is definitely NOT to try and somehow data-mine or monetize your Trello tasks. Trello is a good platform put out by a good company with good intentions. It would be awesome if all the Trello code was released as open source someday, but this is not necessary for our purposes as long as the API exists. Trello Bot (TBot) is an open source AI software project released by my company, Asset Exchange Strategies (AES). Trello Bot is written in Perl, and includes a pure-Perl implementation of the Trello API. Trello Bot also lives on the Amazon EC2 cloud, which enables faster connectivity to the Trello.com servers. As Trello Bot's name implies, most of TBot's initial features revolve around expanding or controlling various aspects of the Trello platform. However, in the near future TBot will be able to interface with other platforms beside Trello, such as Facebook, Wikipedia, OpenCyc, etc. Trello Bot is an ambitious, on-going, open-ended, real-world Perl project, which is why I recommend it be adopted as (one of) the official Austin Perl Mongers community projects. You can download some early Trello Bot code from the TBot Development Board, which will be updated with a brand-new code release in the next few days: https://trello.com/board/trello-bot-development/4fd03104949bc7a12262d006 As an avid FOSS Linux/Perl developer, I am very sensitive to the need for not letting commercial interests co-opt a group like the Austin Perl Mongers, and let me be clear when I say this is not my intention. My most selfish agenda for APM has already been openly stated at the last meeting: by promoting the local Perl community, I hope to network with potential programmers that I might someday hire as interns and/or paid professionals. I see this as a totally legitimate side effect of supporting APM, and my intentions have been approved by those in attendance at the last meeting insomuch as I already have a few new interns on-board and a professional coder contact provided by APM Vice President Mark Lehmann. I do not consider anything I said to be a "sales pitch", unless you consider an attempt to get people interested in an open source software project as "sales", which I don't because no money is exchanging hands. Again, to be clear I am not selling (or affiliated with) Trello, I am not selling the open source Trello Bot project, and I am not "selling" anything else that would make me a negatively-oriented commercial entity or conflict of interest. My company AES provides financial services for people with IRA retirement accounts, which I didn't even bother mentioning at the meeting, so if you want me to "sell" you something that's all I've got to offer right now. :) Regarding the monthly meetings, there is obviously some range of preference on the meeting formats and content. The only direct input I have to this is that I have offered to give a brief presentation and demo of Trello Bot at the August meeting, which could run as short as 10 minutes or as long as people are interested in talking about TBot. We can include any other presentations, discussions, or activities at the August meeting. Also, I am already holding weekly break-out meetings for anyone interested in Trello Bot development, each Tuesday night at 7pm at my office: 2407 S. Bagdad Rd, Leander, TX. There will be pizza and caffeine provided at these weekly meetings. I hope this helps clear up some of the misconceptions regarding Trello, TBot, and my intentions as the new APM President. Please reply with any questions or comments and I will do my best to provide helpful answers. Thanks, ~ Will From taylor at codecafe.com Tue Jul 31 09:53:39 2012 From: taylor at codecafe.com (Taylor Carpenter) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:53:39 -0500 Subject: APM: Format of meeting survey In-Reply-To: <20120728034550.GA28238@codecafe.com> References: <20120727163254.GA14449@codecafe.com> <20120727170239.KUZND.11711.root@hrndva-web20-z01> <20120727175154.GC14449@codecafe.com> <20120728034550.GA28238@codecafe.com> Message-ID: FYI, here are the 10 responses http://bit.ly/MXnvEE Looks like most everyone wants a bit of all discussed: hands-on work, talks, and open chat as part of every meeting. Also looks like the talks should be 30 minutes or less.