From wwalker at broadq.com Mon Dec 2 09:17:50 2002 From: wwalker at broadq.com (Wayne Walker) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: bugs Message-ID: <20021202091750.I24852@broadq.com> In a sideline discussion, someone had been bitten by something like: if ($foo = -1) { sub1; action2} The bug is a missing = (= vs ==). A friend of mine has given great advice, that I haven't implemented very well yet. He suggests that everytime you compare a scalar and a constant put the constant on the left side: if (-1 == $foo) { sub1; action2} That way, if you do forget the second = sign: if (-1 == $foo) { sub1; action2} then you get a compile time error: "Can't modify constant item in scalar assignment" Once you get in the habit of putting the constant first, this very hard to catch bug screams "Fix me" as soon as you make the mistake. Of course, unfortunately, it does not help at all when comparing to variables. -- Wayne Walker www.broadq.com :) Bringing digital video and audio to the living room And the "Wizard of Bill" says "Please ignore the crash behind the Windows." From mike at stok.co.uk Mon Dec 2 10:50:40 2002 From: mike at stok.co.uk (Mike Stok) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: bugs In-Reply-To: <20021202091750.I24852@broadq.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Wayne Walker wrote: > In a sideline discussion, someone had been bitten by something like: > > if ($foo = -1) { sub1; action2} > > The bug is a missing = (= vs ==). > > A friend of mine has given great advice, that I haven't implemented very > well yet. He suggests that everytime you compare a scalar and a > constant put the constant on the left side: > > if (-1 == $foo) { sub1; action2} > > That way, if you do forget the second = sign: > > if (-1 == $foo) { sub1; action2} > > then you get a compile time error: > > "Can't modify constant item in scalar assignment" If you use -w or warnings then you can get a warning without having to go through mental gymnastics (the if constant equals a variable seems stilted to me). [mike@won tmp]$ cat try.pl #!/usr/bin/env perl use warnings; use strict; my $x = 1; if ($x = 2) { print "oops\n"; } [mike@won tmp]$ perl try.pl Found = in conditional, should be == at try.pl line 8. oops Of course warnings (and maybe strict) help with other stuff too. > Once you get in the habit of putting the constant first, this very hard > to catch bug screams "Fix me" as soon as you make the mistake. > > Of course, unfortunately, it does not help at all when comparing to > variables. Indeed. Mike -- mike@stok.co.uk | The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply. http://www.stok.co.uk/~mike/ | GPG PGP Key 1024D/059913DA mike@exegenix.com | Fingerprint 0570 71CD 6790 7C28 3D60 http://www.exegenix.com/ | 75D2 9EC4 C1C0 0599 13DA From Tom.Bakken at tx.usda.gov Wed Dec 4 11:13:41 2002 From: Tom.Bakken at tx.usda.gov (Tom.Bakken) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: replacing tab separated blanks Message-ID: <3DEE37C5.59453F6C@tx.usda.gov> I want to replace the following: TabTabTabTab with: Tab0Tab0TAb0 when I use s/TabTab/Tab0Tab/g it only substitutes every other 0 because it begins searching AFTER the last pattern match. Is there anything like a gsub or tricky regular expression I could use to avoid splitting each line and testing each element? -- Tom Bakken From mike at stok.co.uk Wed Dec 4 12:16:43 2002 From: mike at stok.co.uk (Mike Stok) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: replacing tab separated blanks In-Reply-To: <3DEE37C5.59453F6C@tx.usda.gov> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tom.Bakken wrote: > I want to replace the following: > > TabTabTabTab > > with: > > Tab0Tab0TAb0 > > when I use s/TabTab/Tab0Tab/g > > it only substitutes every other 0 because it begins searching AFTER the > last pattern match. > Is there anything like a gsub or tricky regular expression I could use > to avoid splitting each line and testing each element? To put 0 between every Tab you can use (?=Tab) to do a zero width assertion e.g. [mike@won mike]$ perl -de 1 Loading DB routines from perl5db.pl version 1.19 Editor support available. Enter h or `h h' for help, or `man perldebug' for more help. main::(-e:1): 1 DB<1> $s = 'TabTabTabTab' DB<2> $s =~ s/(Tab)(?=Tab)/${1}0/g DB<3> print $s Tab0Tab0Tab0Tab DB<4> But I still have an extra 'Tab' on the end - your desired result was Tab0Tab0Tab0. If you want to get rid of that then you could just s/Tab$//; afterwards. Hope this helps, Mike -- mike@stok.co.uk | The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply. http://www.stok.co.uk/~mike/ | GPG PGP Key 1024D/059913DA mike@exegenix.com | Fingerprint 0570 71CD 6790 7C28 3D60 http://www.exegenix.com/ | 75D2 9EC4 C1C0 0599 13DA From rock808 at DavidSlimp.com Wed Dec 4 12:32:24 2002 From: rock808 at DavidSlimp.com (david slimp) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: replacing tab separated blanks In-Reply-To: ; from mike@stok.co.uk on Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:16:43PM -0500 References: <3DEE37C5.59453F6C@tx.usda.gov> Message-ID: <20021204123224.F13040@DavidSlimp.com> On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:16:43PM -0500, Mike Stok wrote: > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tom.Bakken wrote: > > I want to replace the following: > > TabTabTabTab > > with: > > Tab0Tab0TAb0 Is there some reason you are just not doing this? s/\t/\t0/g david > Enter h or `h h' for help, or `man perldebug' for more help. > > main::(-e:1): 1 > DB<1> $s = 'TabTabTabTab' > > DB<2> $s =~ s/(Tab)(?=Tab)/${1}0/g > > DB<3> print $s > Tab0Tab0Tab0Tab > DB<4> > > But I still have an extra 'Tab' on the end - your desired result was > Tab0Tab0Tab0. If you want to get rid of that then you could just > > s/Tab$//; > > afterwards. > > Hope this helps, > > Mike > > -- > mike@stok.co.uk | The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply. > http://www.stok.co.uk/~mike/ | GPG PGP Key 1024D/059913DA > mike@exegenix.com | Fingerprint 0570 71CD 6790 7C28 3D60 > http://www.exegenix.com/ | 75D2 9EC4 C1C0 0599 13DA > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- David Slimp rock808@DavidSlimp.com http://www.DavidSlimp.com Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: rock808 From ascii at ev1.net Wed Dec 4 12:44:28 2002 From: ascii at ev1.net (ken carroll) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: replacing tab separated blanks In-Reply-To: <20021204123224.F13040@DavidSlimp.com> References: <3DEE37C5.59453F6C@tx.usda.gov> <20021204123224.F13040@DavidSlimp.com> Message-ID: <20021204184428.9AA6E14089@waxon> On Wednesday 04 December 2002 01:32 pm, david slimp wrote: that only works on friday, we have to work in the middle of the week... :) > On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:16:43PM -0500, Mike Stok wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tom.Bakken wrote: > > > I want to replace the following: > > > TabTabTabTab > > > with: > > > Tab0Tab0TAb0 > > Is there some reason you are just not doing this? > > s/\t/\t0/g > > > > david > > > Enter h or `h h' for help, or `man perldebug' for more help. > > > > main::(-e:1): 1 > > DB<1> $s = 'TabTabTabTab' > > > > DB<2> $s =~ s/(Tab)(?=Tab)/${1}0/g > > > > DB<3> print $s > > Tab0Tab0Tab0Tab > > DB<4> > > > > But I still have an extra 'Tab' on the end - your desired result was > > Tab0Tab0Tab0. If you want to get rid of that then you could just > > > > s/Tab$//; > > > > afterwards. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Mike > > > > -- > > mike@stok.co.uk | The "`Stok' disclaimers" > > apply. http://www.stok.co.uk/~mike/ | GPG PGP Key > > 1024D/059913DA mike@exegenix.com | Fingerprint 0570 > > 71CD 6790 7C28 3D60 http://www.exegenix.com/ | > > 75D2 9EC4 C1C0 0599 13DA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Austin mailing list > > Austin@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin From Tom.Bakken at tx.usda.gov Wed Dec 4 12:46:47 2002 From: Tom.Bakken at tx.usda.gov (Tom.Bakken) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: replacing tab separated blanks References: Message-ID: <3DEE4D97.3EEF81D5@tx.usda.gov> That worked great! I would have stumbled around for a long time before finding that one. Thanks Mike Stok wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tom.Bakken wrote: > > > I want to replace the following: > > > > TabTabTabTab > > > > with: > > > > Tab0Tab0TAb0 > > > > when I use s/TabTab/Tab0Tab/g > > > > it only substitutes every other 0 because it begins searching AFTER the > > last pattern match. > > Is there anything like a gsub or tricky regular expression I could use > > to avoid splitting each line and testing each element? > > To put 0 between every Tab you can use (?=Tab) to do a zero width > assertion e.g. > > [mike@won mike]$ perl -de 1 > > Loading DB routines from perl5db.pl version 1.19 > Editor support available. > > Enter h or `h h' for help, or `man perldebug' for more help. > > main::(-e:1): 1 > DB<1> $s = 'TabTabTabTab' > > DB<2> $s =~ s/(Tab)(?=Tab)/${1}0/g > > DB<3> print $s > Tab0Tab0Tab0Tab > DB<4> > > But I still have an extra 'Tab' on the end - your desired result was > Tab0Tab0Tab0. If you want to get rid of that then you could just > > s/Tab$//; > > afterwards. > > Hope this helps, > > Mike > > -- > mike@stok.co.uk | The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply. > http://www.stok.co.uk/~mike/ | GPG PGP Key 1024D/059913DA > mike@exegenix.com | Fingerprint 0570 71CD 6790 7C28 3D60 > http://www.exegenix.com/ | 75D2 9EC4 C1C0 0599 13DA > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- Tom Bakken From Goldilox at teachnet.edb.utexas.edu Wed Dec 4 13:03:41 2002 From: Goldilox at teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Goldilox) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: GMT question Message-ID: If I'm doing this: $timezoneoffset = -6; $offset = $timezoneoffset * 3600; ($sec, $min, $hour, $mday, $mon, $year, $wday, $yday, $isdst) = gmtime(time + $offset); I am wondering if Windows vs Unix if any OS will account for DST (Daylight Savings Time)? My assumption is Windows will and Unix won't, but maybe there is a workaround for Unix (or maybe I'm wrong in my assumptions). Rhett From mike at stok.co.uk Wed Dec 4 13:50:16 2002 From: mike at stok.co.uk (Mike Stok) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: GMT question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Goldilox wrote: > If I'm doing this: > $timezoneoffset = -6; > $offset = $timezoneoffset * 3600; > ($sec, $min, $hour, $mday, $mon, $year, $wday, $yday, $isdst) = gmtime(time + > $offset); > > I am wondering if Windows vs Unix if any OS will account for DST (Daylight > Savings Time)? My assumption is Windows will and Unix won't, but maybe there is > a workaround for Unix (or maybe I'm wrong in my assumptions). GMT (or UTC) doesn't have daylight savings, but localtime will tell you if the time in the local timezone uses DST or not. Perl does deal with timezones and DST, try this and look at the output - gmtime never has daylight savings: use POSIX qw/ tzset /; use Time::Local; use constant TORONTO => 'EST5EDT'; # -15C yesterday morning use constant AUSTIN => 'CST6CDT'; # considerably warmer... my $now = time; my $then = timelocal(0, 0, 12, 1, 6, 2001); # July foreach my $time ($now, $then) { foreach my $timeZone (AUSTIN, TORONTO) { $ENV{'TZ'} = $timeZone; tzset; print "$time: $time, time zone $ENV{'TZ'}\n"; print " gmtime: @{[scalar(gmtime $time)]} @{[gmtime $time]}\n"; print " localtime: @{[scalar(localtime $time)]} @{[localtime $time]}\n"; print "\n"; } } Hope this helps, Mike -- mike@stok.co.uk | The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply. http://www.stok.co.uk/~mike/ | GPG PGP Key 1024D/059913DA mike@exegenix.com | Fingerprint 0570 71CD 6790 7C28 3D60 http://www.exegenix.com/ | 75D2 9EC4 C1C0 0599 13DA From mike at stok.co.uk Wed Dec 4 13:55:05 2002 From: mike at stok.co.uk (Mike Stok) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: GMT question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Goldilox wrote: > I am wondering if Windows vs Unix if any OS will account for DST (Daylight > Savings Time)? My assumption is Windows will and Unix won't, but maybe there is > a workaround for Unix (or maybe I'm wrong in my assumptions). I forgot to say that my previous message's code worked under linux. Mike -- mike@stok.co.uk | The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply. http://www.stok.co.uk/~mike/ | GPG PGP Key 1024D/059913DA mike@exegenix.com | Fingerprint 0570 71CD 6790 7C28 3D60 http://www.exegenix.com/ | 75D2 9EC4 C1C0 0599 13DA From mlehmann at marklehmann.com Wed Dec 4 17:02:00 2002 From: mlehmann at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: December 11th Meeting at Jorge's Restaurant Message-ID: <15854.35176.902948.612504@lehmbrain.marklehmann.com> We are socializing for the December meeting. To be kind to those people who live in the South we are meeting a Calista Jorge's Restaurant on Hancock Drive. Time: 6:30pm Location: 2203 Hancock Dr, Austin TX 78756 (http://mapsonus.switchboard.com/bin/maps-maponly/usr=~3dee85e6.bf7dd.3517.5/c=1/isredir=1/) Phone: 512 454-1980 Just show up around 6:30pm and tell them you're with the "Perl Mongers." Upcoming Meetings ================= January - PHP Overview February - Perl & SOAP March - Perl & Web Services -- Mark Lehmann email mlehmann@marklehmann.com | phone 512 689-7705 From itnomad at earthlink.net Wed Dec 4 18:04:36 2002 From: itnomad at earthlink.net (Jack Lupton) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: RE: December 11th Meeting at Jorge's Restaurant In-Reply-To: <15854.35176.902948.612504@lehmbrain.marklehmann.com> Message-ID: Your email says the time and the place but not the date. What is the date? Just kidding. Happy holidays, y'all. PS Anyone need light carpentry done? Give me a holler. -----Original Message----- From: austin-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:austin-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Mark Lehmann Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:02 PM To: Austin Perl Mongers Subject: APM: December 11th Meeting at Jorge's Restaurant We are socializing for the December meeting. To be kind to those people who live in the South we are meeting a Calista Jorge's Restaurant on Hancock Drive. Time: 6:30pm Location: 2203 Hancock Dr, Austin TX 78756 (http://mapsonus.switchboard.com/bin/maps-maponly/usr=~3dee85e6.bf7dd.3517.5 /c=1/isredir=1/) Phone: 512 454-1980 Just show up around 6:30pm and tell them you're with the "Perl Mongers." Upcoming Meetings ================= January - PHP Overview February - Perl & SOAP March - Perl & Web Services -- Mark Lehmann email mlehmann@marklehmann.com | phone 512 689-7705 _______________________________________________ Austin mailing list Austin@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin From Goldilox at teachnet.edb.utexas.edu Thu Dec 5 10:43:43 2002 From: Goldilox at teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Goldilox) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Determining speed Message-ID: I just want to say first I appreciate everyone's responses to the questions I throw out here, and I have another one... I'm pulling from a SQL database (W2K OS) and it is taking a couple seconds to display the results (lots of parsing and a couple different SQL queries in one script). How can I determine where the time is being spent? i.e. I want to see the time spent waiting for the database to deliver its payload vs how long it takes the Perl script to do its work. I have no idea of the terminology I should be using here, but I'm hoping this is a common interest that might have some modules or commands readily available? Basically I want to figure out if my Perl is so clunky it could be improved or if it's just the database that is taking up most of the time. Thanks again! Rhett From majcher at majcher.com Thu Dec 5 10:58:07 2002 From: majcher at majcher.com (Marc Majcher) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Determining speed In-Reply-To: (Goldilox@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu) References: Message-ID: <200212051658.gB5Gw7r27388@majcher.com> "Goldilox" : :How can I determine where the time is being spent? i.e. I want to see :the time spent waiting for the database to deliver its payload vs how long it :takes the Perl script to do its work. I have no idea of the terminology I :should be using here, but I'm hoping this is a common interest that might have :some modules or commands readily available? The key terms you're looking for are "benchmarking" and "profiling". If your code is broken down into functional units, the standard Benchmark module should be a good place to start: http://search.cpan.org/author/JHI/perl-5.8.0/lib/Benchmark.pm If you're interested in more profiling-type stuff, CPAN again: http://search.cpan.org/author/JHI/perl-5.8.0/ext/Devel/DProf/DProf.pm Those two modules should be a good place to start - keep searching on these terms for more varied and useful information... -- DVS "One is always considered mad when one perfects something that others cannot grasp." -- Ed Wood From parkerm at pobox.com Thu Dec 5 11:02:51 2002 From: parkerm at pobox.com (Michael Parker) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Determining speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021205170251.GA8497@mail.herk.net> On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:43:43AM -0600, Goldilox wrote: > I just want to say first I appreciate everyone's responses to the questions I > throw out here, and I have another one... > > I'm pulling from a SQL database (W2K OS) and it is taking a couple seconds to > display the results (lots of parsing and a couple different SQL queries in one > script). How can I determine where the time is being spent? i.e. I want to see > the time spent waiting for the database to deliver its payload vs how long it > takes the Perl script to do its work. I have no idea of the terminology I > should be using here, but I'm hoping this is a common interest that might have > some modules or commands readily available? Basically I want to figure out if > my Perl is so clunky it could be improved or if it's just the database that is > taking up most of the time. > Look at the Time::HiRes module. It will give you high resolution interval timers. Then what you do is setup a few timers in your code, let it run and print out the time it took for each action. This should give you a good idea where it's spending most of its time. Michael From wwalker at broadq.com Thu Dec 5 11:14:25 2002 From: wwalker at broadq.com (Wayne Walker) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Determining speed In-Reply-To: ; from Goldilox@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu on Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:43:43AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20021205111425.B9121@broadq.com> Make sure that Devel::SmallProf and or Devel::DProf are installed from CPAN. Then run your script like: perl -dSmallProf script.pl This will create a file in the local directory with profiling information in it. or perl -dDProf script.pl then use dprof command to parse the output of DProf. On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:43:43AM -0600, Goldilox wrote: > I just want to say first I appreciate everyone's responses to the questions I > throw out here, and I have another one... > > I'm pulling from a SQL database (W2K OS) and it is taking a couple seconds to > display the results (lots of parsing and a couple different SQL queries in one > script). How can I determine where the time is being spent? i.e. I want to see > the time spent waiting for the database to deliver its payload vs how long it > takes the Perl script to do its work. I have no idea of the terminology I > should be using here, but I'm hoping this is a common interest that might have > some modules or commands readily available? Basically I want to figure out if > my Perl is so clunky it could be improved or if it's just the database that is > taking up most of the time. > > Thanks again! > > Rhett > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- Wayne Walker www.broadq.com :) Bringing digital video and audio to the living room And the "Wizard of Bill" says "Please ignore the crash behind the Windows." From mlehmann at marklehmann.com Wed Dec 11 09:18:55 2002 From: mlehmann at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Meeting Tonight at Jorge's Message-ID: <15863.22367.913716.252265@lehmbrain.marklehmann.com> We are socializing for the December meeting. To be kind to those people who live in the South we are meeting a Calista Jorge's Restaurant on Hancock Drive. Date: Today Time: 6:30pm Location: 2203 Hancock Dr, Austin TX 78756 (http://mapsonus.switchboard.com/bin/maps-maponly/usr=~3dee85e6.bf7dd.3517.5/c=1/isredir=1/) Phone: 512 454-1980 Just show up around 6:30pm and tell them you're with the "Perl Mongers." Upcoming Meetings ================= January - PHP Overview February - Perl & SOAP March - Perl & Web Services -- Mark Lehmann email mlehmann@marklehmann.com | phone 512 689-7705 From mlehmann at marklehmann.com Wed Dec 11 13:35:54 2002 From: mlehmann at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: RSVP Please Message-ID: <15863.37786.145357.631886@lehmbrain.marklehmann.com> I you are attending tonights meeting or probably coming to tonights meeting at Jorge's, please let me know. I and a Perl Monger's Sponsor are trying to plan for the crowd tonight. -- Mark Lehmann email mlehmann@marklehmann.com | phone 512 689-7705 From dbii at mudpuddle.com Thu Dec 12 11:14:31 2002 From: dbii at mudpuddle.com (David Bluestein II) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Eeeeks, the website changed Message-ID: Wow, Mark takes back over and the website gets made over. Completely. Wow. My .02 is that the contrast of the site is very poor. White text on grey background is hard to read for large areas of text and is a strain (at least on my eyes). I think we need to go back to black text on white background for large areas of text and use color as an accent, not a background. :) Maybe a brighter color too, rather than something so drab. I do like the design though, very clean, and the logo part is nice. (Though the repetition of sponsors and logos at the bottom of every page is a bit much). And the site is up to date! David ---------- David H. Bluestein II President & Lead Developer dbii@mudpuddle.com ii, inc. http://www.interaction.net - Specializing in Designing Interactive Websites - - and Searchable Internet Databases - From digitalfiend at bybent.com Thu Dec 12 11:30:04 2002 From: digitalfiend at bybent.com (digitalfiend@bybent.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Eeeeks, the website changed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1039714205.1638.0.camel@digitalfiend.internal.net.org> If we're tipping our own .0w, then I am digging the new site. The only thing that I can see is that some of the images do not match the background color perfectly. Otherwise I like. -Andrew- On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 11:14, David Bluestein II wrote: > Wow, Mark takes back over and the website gets made over. Completely. Wow. > > My .02 is that the contrast of the site is very poor. White text on grey > background is hard to read for large areas of text and is a strain (at > least on my eyes). I think we need to go back to black text on white > background for large areas of text and use color as an accent, not a > background. :) Maybe a brighter color too, rather than something so drab. > > I do like the design though, very clean, and the logo part is nice. (Though > the repetition of sponsors and logos at the bottom of every page is a bit > much). > > And the site is up to date! > > David > > ---------- > David H. Bluestein II President & Lead Developer > dbii@mudpuddle.com ii, inc. > > http://www.interaction.net > - Specializing in Designing Interactive Websites - > - and Searchable Internet Databases - > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin From digitalfiend at bybent.com Thu Dec 12 12:16:00 2002 From: digitalfiend at bybent.com (digitalfiend@bybent.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Eeeeks, the website changed In-Reply-To: <1039714205.1638.0.camel@digitalfiend.internal.net.org> References: <1039714205.1638.0.camel@digitalfiend.internal.net.org> Message-ID: <1039716960.1638.2.camel@digitalfiend.internal.net.org> Oops...s/0w/02/g; On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 11:30, digitalfiend@bybent.com wrote: > If we're tipping our own .0w, then I am digging the new site. The only > thing that I can see is that some of the images do not match the > background color perfectly. Otherwise I like. > > -Andrew- From lhunter at lhunter.com Thu Dec 12 20:01:03 2002 From: lhunter at lhunter.com (Larry Hunter) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Eeeeks, the website changed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021212195509.00b417d0@lhunter.com> I like the new website design. It's clean and looks like it was all designed at one time. The title panel is a link to itself but otherwise it does like what I expected it to do. At 11:14 AM 12/12/2002 -0600, David Bluestein II wrote: >Wow, Mark takes back over and the website gets made over. Completely. Wow. > >My .02 is that the contrast of the site is very poor. White text on grey >background is hard to read for large areas of text and is a strain (at >least on my eyes). I think we need to go back to black text on white >background for large areas of text and use color as an accent, not a >background. :) Maybe a brighter color too, rather than something so drab. > >I do like the design though, very clean, and the logo part is nice. (Though >the repetition of sponsors and logos at the bottom of every page is a bit >much). > >And the site is up to date! > >David > >---------- >David H. Bluestein II President & Lead Developer >dbii@mudpuddle.com ii, inc. > >http://www.interaction.net >- Specializing in Designing Interactive Websites - >- and Searchable Internet Databases - > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Austin mailing list >Austin@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Hunter lhunter@lhunter.com http://lhunter.com/ From dewayne_mangan at yahoo.com Thu Dec 12 21:53:26 2002 From: dewayne_mangan at yahoo.com (DeWayne Mangan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:15 2004 Subject: APM: Website changes Message-ID: <20021213035326.62678.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> David and Andrew - What kind of systems are ya'll using to view the site? I'm the guy who did the redesign, and I appreciate your comments. It's always a struggle to make EVERYTHING on a site sync up perfectly, but I try. You letting me know what kind of system you're using (OS, Browser, LCD v. CRT, etc.) will help me correct the probelm and do better in the future. I designed the site using Dreamweaver on a laptop running Micro$oft XP (which means, of course, I proofed it mainly on Internet Exploder, with some tweaking on Netscrabble). Thanks! DeWayne Mangan ---------------- http://www.geocities.com/DeWayne_Mangan DeWayne_Mangan@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From ascii at ev1.net Fri Dec 13 09:29:59 2002 From: ascii at ev1.net (ASCII) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:16 2004 Subject: APM: http://swordbreaker.systemec.nl/~shadur/wtf.txt Message-ID: <200212131434.gBDEYJbj027596@smtp.tstar.net> bug? under discussion: irc: irc.openprojects.net channel: #perl for anyone that's got Friday off and need something to do. From rainking at feeding.frenzy.com Fri Dec 13 13:22:10 2002 From: rainking at feeding.frenzy.com (Dennis Moore) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:16 2004 Subject: APM: http://swordbreaker.systemec.nl/~shadur/wtf.txt In-Reply-To: <200212131434.gBDEYJbj027596@smtp.tstar.net>; from ascii@ev1.net on Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 08:29:59AM -0700 References: <200212131434.gBDEYJbj027596@smtp.tstar.net> Message-ID: <20021213132210.A36987@feeding.frenzy.com> On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 08:29:59AM -0700, ASCII wrote: > bug? > > under discussion: > irc: irc.openprojects.net > channel: #perl > > for anyone that's got Friday off and need something to do. from perlform: Picture fields that begin with ^ rather than @ are treated specially. With a # field, the field is blanked out if the value is undefined. For other field types, the caret enables a kind of fill mode. Instead of an arbitrary expression, the value supplied must be a scalar variable name that contains a text string. Perl puts as much text as it can into the field, and then chops off the front of the string so that the next time the variable is referenced, more of the text can be printed. (Yes, this means that the variable itself is altered during execution of the write() call, and is not returned.) -- pity this busy monster, manunkind, | Dennis Moore | Sarah not. Progress is a comfortable disease. | rainking@frenzy.com | McLachlan -e.e. cummings: One Times One | archon on the irc | "Black" If I cried me a river of all my confessions would I drown in my shallow regret? From mlehmann at marklehmann.com Tue Dec 17 18:03:01 2002 From: mlehmann at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:23:16 2004 Subject: APM: Austin Perl Mongers is a registered O'Reilly group Message-ID: <15871.47925.470352.772076@lehmbrain.marklehmann.com> AS members of the O'Reilly User Group Program all of use get a 20% discount on O'Reilly books purchased from the O'Reilly website. 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