From wwalker at bybent.com Tue Oct 1 10:27:59 2002 From: wwalker at bybent.com (Wayne Walker) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] test, please ignore Message-ID: <20021001152759.GD1336@bybent.com> asdf -- Wayne Walker From wwalker at bybent.com Tue Oct 1 10:31:57 2002 From: wwalker at bybent.com (Wayne Walker) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] test #2, please ignore Message-ID: <20021001153157.GE1336@bybent.com> ignore -- Wayne Walker From mark at dreamzpace.com Fri Oct 18 16:07:30 2002 From: mark at dreamzpace.com (Mark Pors) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] meeting Message-ID: <3DB07812.9060307@dreamzpace.com> Hi all! It's about time for a meeting again. I propose Tuesday 22 October at 20:00 (a bit later on request). I suggest we meet in Thisio, so we are sure we'll find a place we like, and there is a metro station nearby: Tuesday 22 October, 20:00 Cafetaria Stavlos Iraklidon 10 Thisio Hope to see you then. Please confirm if you plan to come. BTW: The pic with Larry is to be seen on our site now: http://athens.pm.org/ Cheers Mark From mark at dreamzpace.com Fri Oct 18 17:09:26 2002 From: mark at dreamzpace.com (Mark Pors) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] meeting References: <3DB07812.9060307@dreamzpace.com> Message-ID: <3DB08696.5040904@dreamzpace.com> Not everybody is happy with Tuesday, so I'll throw in Monday as an alternative. Please let me know which day you prefer tnx Mark Mark Pors wrote: > Hi all! > > It's about time for a meeting again. I propose Tuesday 22 October at > 20:00 (a bit later on request). > I suggest we meet in Thisio, so we are sure we'll find a place we like, > and there is a metro station nearby: > > Tuesday 22 October, 20:00 > Cafetaria Stavlos > Iraklidon 10 > Thisio > > Hope to see you then. Please confirm if you plan to come. > > BTW: The pic with Larry is to be seen on our site now: > http://athens.pm.org/ > > Cheers > Mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athens-pm mailing list > Athens-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/athens-pm > > From gepiti at internet.gr Sat Oct 19 08:37:21 2002 From: gepiti at internet.gr (gepiti@internet.gr) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] meeting In-Reply-To: <3DB08696.5040904@dreamzpace.com> References: <3DB07812.9060307@dreamzpace.com> <3DB08696.5040904@dreamzpace.com> Message-ID: <1035.62.1.184.18.1035034641.squirrel@webmail.internet.gr> Both days are ok with me :-) Giorgos Epitidios > Not everybody is happy with Tuesday, so I'll throw in Monday as an > alternative. Please let me know which day you prefer > > tnx > Mark > > Mark Pors wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> It's about time for a meeting again. I propose Tuesday 22 October at >> 20:00 (a bit later on request). >> I suggest we meet in Thisio, so we are sure we'll find a place we >> like, and there is a metro station nearby: >> >> Tuesday 22 October, 20:00 >> Cafetaria Stavlos >> Iraklidon 10 >> Thisio >> >> Hope to see you then. Please confirm if you plan to come. >> >> BTW: The pic with Larry is to be seen on our site now: >> http://athens.pm.org/ >> >> Cheers >> Mark >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athens-pm mailing list >> Athens-pm@mail.pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/athens-pm >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Athens-pm mailing list > Athens-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/athens-pm From karjala at karjala.org Sat Oct 19 10:44:18 2002 From: karjala at karjala.org (Alexander Karelas) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] meeting In-Reply-To: <1035.62.1.184.18.1035034641.squirrel@webmail.internet.gr> References: <3DB07812.9060307@dreamzpace.com> <3DB08696.5040904@dreamzpace.com> <1035.62.1.184.18.1035034641.squirrel@webmail.internet.gr> Message-ID: <20021019154418.GA5075@karjala.org> Both are okay with me also. Alex On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 04:37:21PM +0300, gepiti@internet.gr wrote: > Both days are ok with me :-) > > Giorgos Epitidios > > > Not everybody is happy with Tuesday, so I'll throw in Monday as an > > alternative. Please let me know which day you prefer From gv at altec.gr Sat Oct 19 12:49:09 2002 From: gv at altec.gr (Valsamidis George) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] meeting References: <3DB07812.9060307@dreamzpace.com> <3DB08696.5040904@dreamzpace.com> <1035.62.1.184.18.1035034641.squirrel@webmail.internet.gr> <20021019154418.GA5075@karjala.org> Message-ID: <3DB19B15.4AEB39A0@altec.gr> Seems that we are under short notice. Anyway, we can have it any of both days. Just fix it and let us know. As for the future, my suggestion is to set a fixed time (eg second Tuesday of every month) and decide the place every time during the previous meeting. We can discuss that on Monday/Tuesday. gv __________________________________________________________________ Alexander Karelas wrote: > Both are okay with me also. > > Alex > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 04:37:21PM +0300, gepiti@internet.gr wrote: > > Both days are ok with me :-) > > > > Giorgos Epitidios > > > > > Not everybody is happy with Tuesday, so I'll throw in Monday as an > > > alternative. Please let me know which day you prefer > _______________________________________________ > Athens-pm mailing list > Athens-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/athens-pm From mark at dreamzpace.com Sat Oct 19 16:47:51 2002 From: mark at dreamzpace.com (Mark Pors) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] meeting References: <3DB07812.9060307@dreamzpace.com> <3DB08696.5040904@dreamzpace.com> <1035.62.1.184.18.1035034641.squirrel@webmail.internet.gr> <20021019154418.GA5075@karjala.org> <3DB19B15.4AEB39A0@altec.gr> Message-ID: <3DB1D307.6070700@dreamzpace.com> Valsamidis George wrote: > Seems that we are under short notice. > yes, but the response is higher than ever maybe I should announce it even at a shorter notice next time :-) > Anyway, we can have it any of both days. Just fix it and let us know. > great If anybody has problems with Monday, please speak up now, otherwise it will be Monday Mark > As for the future, my suggestion is to set a fixed time (eg second Tuesday > of every month) and decide the place every time during the previous > meeting. We can discuss that on Monday/Tuesday. > > gv > __________________________________________________________________ > > Alexander Karelas wrote: > > >>Both are okay with me also. >> >>Alex >> >>On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 04:37:21PM +0300, gepiti@internet.gr wrote: >> >>>Both days are ok with me :-) >>> >>>Giorgos Epitidios >>> >>> >>>>Not everybody is happy with Tuesday, so I'll throw in Monday as an >>>>alternative. Please let me know which day you prefer >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athens-pm mailing list >>Athens-pm@mail.pm.org >>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/athens-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > Athens-pm mailing list > Athens-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/athens-pm > > From mark at dreamzpace.com Mon Oct 21 07:16:49 2002 From: mark at dreamzpace.com (Mark Pors) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] meeting References: <3DB07812.9060307@dreamzpace.com> Message-ID: <3DB3F031.3070400@dreamzpace.com> So it will be today at 8 at the address below, hope to cu tonight If you have trouble to find it, give me a ring on 094 6718 563 Mark Mark Pors wrote: > Hi all! > > It's about time for a meeting again. I propose Tuesday 22 October at > 20:00 (a bit later on request). > I suggest we meet in Thisio, so we are sure we'll find a place we > like, and there is a metro station nearby: > > Tuesday 22 October, 20:00 > Cafetaria Stavlos > Iraklidon 10 > Thisio > > Hope to see you then. Please confirm if you plan to come. > > BTW: The pic with Larry is to be seen on our site now: > http://athens.pm.org/ > > Cheers > Mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athens-pm mailing list > Athens-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/athens-pm > > From mark at dreamzpace.com Tue Oct 22 02:17:27 2002 From: mark at dreamzpace.com (Mark Pors) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] [Fwd: RFC greeklish] Message-ID: <3DB4FB87.7070307@dreamzpace.com> Hi all, I had a good time yesterday, I hope the same counts for you. We even made some decisions: - from now on we will meet each 2nd Wednesday of the month, so the next meeting will be on 13 November. Time and location will be announced on the list. If there's anyone that wants to write a piece of code that calculates the date of the next meeting, please do, I'll include it in the frontpage. - we will start a small programming project together: a greek-greeklish convertor. See the e-mails below for some first thoughts about this. Please give your opinion about it (on this list). I think specification-by-mailinglist should be possible :-) - to improve communication during the development a chat channel will be set up. IRC and a private channel were mentioned. Who can set up something like that? Cheers Mark -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RFC greeklish Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:15:29 +0300 From: Mark Pors To: nacos@eureka.edu.gr, Konstantinos Prbezas , mark@dreamzpace.com Hi, A first attempt for a spec for our greek-greeklish convertor. The basic functionallity: - main page has an input box, where the user can type a text in greek (with greek fonts). - after submitting this, the text is checked: are this greek fonts? if so: translate it to our default greeklish (if no cookie is found) and print it Options: - the user can select one of a couple of predefined greeklishs' - we remember the selected greeklish and store it in the db, with a reference to a cookie id (that we store on the users' browser). - the user can also set some detailled preferences for some specific characters or sequences. E.g. thita can be 'th', 8, 3, ....? - these preferences are also stored into the db and have a ref. to a cookie value. Extra's: - we make statistics from the preferences and propose an average/default greeklish - top 10 for each character, etc. - e-mail interface, send in greek, recieve it back in greeklish Proposal for database definition: user - id,name,type('visitor','profile'),cookie_id profile - id, alpha, beta, gamma, delta, etc. xref - uid,pid So the user table holds the different users and also our defaults. The profile table is a lookup table from a greek character into a greeklish one, where each value has a default (because we don't want to define the 'mi' all the time because we all use 'm') The xref table relates a user to a profile. shoot! Mark Dear Mark, I like the approach, which is pretty close to what we discussed in Xartes (ah, greeklish!). Most things you mention concern the user interface, is this what you'd like to work on? I'll do a bit of research for character conversions in perl, i still think we should come up with a module. Then we could do things such as: use Greeklish; my $filter = new Greeklish; $filter->configure(-action =>'gr2en', -style =>'default'); $blob_gr = "???? ???"; $blog_en = $filter->do($blob_gr); print $blob_en; # resulting in "Geia sas" or whatever the -style attribute # dictates. what do you think? Michael From pjlees at ics.forth.gr Tue Oct 22 02:50:38 2002 From: pjlees at ics.forth.gr (Philip Lees) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] RE: RFC greeklish In-Reply-To: <3DB4FB87.7070307@dreamzpace.com> Message-ID: <000901c2799f$b65b4170$44be5b8b@ics.forth.gr> > we will start a small programming project together: a greek-greeklish > convertor. See the e-mails below for some first thoughts about this. > Please give your opinion about it (on this list). I think > specification-by-mailinglist should be possible :-) Hi fellow Perlers. As I live in Crete, it's unlikely I'll get to many meetings, but it's still good to be part of a group of Perl programmers in Greece. Concerning Greeklish, I have an algorithm I use for converting Greek proper names to Latin characters. It's quite short (about one page of code) and it might come in useful in this project. Some of its 'features' may be overkill - e.g. it converts ????????? to Economou. If you're interested I can post the code. Regards. Philip -- Philip Lees Working Group on Cardiology ICS-FORTH, Science and Technology Park of Crete Vassilika Vouton, P.O. Box 1385, GR 711 10 Heraklion, Crete, GREECE tel.: +30-810-391680, fax: +30-810-391601, e-mail: pjlees@ics.forth.gr 'The aim of high technology should be to simplify, not complicate' - Hans Christian von Baeyer From mark at dreamzpace.com Tue Oct 22 03:04:53 2002 From: mark at dreamzpace.com (Mark Pors) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] RE: RFC greeklish References: <000901c2799f$b65b4170$44be5b8b@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: <3DB506A5.4000207@dreamzpace.com> Hi Philip, Nice to see we have a 'division' in Crete as well :-) Yes, please post your code, I'm sure it will be useful. I'm quite curious how it works. Mark Philip Lees wrote: >>we will start a small programming project together: a greek-greeklish >>convertor. See the e-mails below for some first thoughts about this. >>Please give your opinion about it (on this list). I think >>specification-by-mailinglist should be possible :-) > > > Hi fellow Perlers. As I live in Crete, it's unlikely I'll get to many > meetings, but it's still good to be part of a group of Perl programmers > in Greece. > > Concerning Greeklish, I have an algorithm I use for converting Greek > proper names to Latin characters. It's quite short (about one page of > code) and it might come in useful in this project. Some of its > 'features' may be overkill - e.g. it converts ????????? to Economou. > > If you're interested I can post the code. > > Regards. > > Philip > -- > Philip Lees > Working Group on Cardiology > ICS-FORTH, Science and Technology Park of Crete > Vassilika Vouton, P.O. Box 1385, GR 711 10 Heraklion, Crete, GREECE > > tel.: +30-810-391680, fax: +30-810-391601, e-mail: pjlees@ics.forth.gr > > 'The aim of high technology should be to simplify, not complicate' - > Hans Christian von Baeyer > > _______________________________________________ > Athens-pm mailing list > Athens-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/athens-pm > > From pjlees at ics.forth.gr Tue Oct 22 03:25:10 2002 From: pjlees at ics.forth.gr (Philip Lees) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] RE: RFC greeklish In-Reply-To: <3DB506A5.4000207@dreamzpace.com> Message-ID: <000f01c279a4$893a9330$44be5b8b@ics.forth.gr> Hi Mark and all. That was a fast reply! I'm sending the transliteration sub as an attachment (so that MS Outaluck doesn't mess up the line wrap). The '1;' at the end is so that you can require it in other scripts. All comments and improvements are welcome. (Note: This algorithm started out in Power Basic, was then ported to Paradox ObjectPAL, then to Powerscript, then to Oracle PL, then a colleague implemented it as a C++ dll, so it has quite a history behind it. With luck any original bugs have been squeezed out during the whole process. Of course, in all those other languages it takes about ten times as much code as in wonderful Perl!) Philip -- Philip Lees Working Group on Cardiology ICS-FORTH, Science and Technology Park of Crete Vassilika Vouton, P.O. Box 1385, GR 711 10 Heraklion, Crete, GREECE tel.: +30-810-391680, fax: +30-810-391601, e-mail: pjlees@ics.forth.gr 'The aim of high technology should be to simplify, not complicate' - Hans Christian von Baeyer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Translit.pl Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1693 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/athens-pm/attachments/20021022/98933ae6/Translit.obj From mark at dreamzpace.com Tue Oct 22 04:02:12 2002 From: mark at dreamzpace.com (Mark Pors) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] RE: RFC greeklish References: <000f01c279a4$893a9330$44be5b8b@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: <3DB51414.3080308@dreamzpace.com> looks goods, pretty straightforward what encoding is used? When I open it in emacs, the greek characters are not much greek. Is this anyway an issue we much look at in our greeklish translator? Anyone who has experience with this? Mark Philip Lees wrote: > Hi Mark and all. That was a fast reply! > > I'm sending the transliteration sub as an attachment (so that MS > Outaluck doesn't mess up the line wrap). The '1;' at the end is so that > you can require it in other scripts. > > All comments and improvements are welcome. > > (Note: This algorithm started out in Power Basic, was then ported to > Paradox ObjectPAL, then to Powerscript, then to Oracle PL, then a > colleague implemented it as a C++ dll, so it has quite a history behind > it. With luck any original bugs have been squeezed out during the whole > process. Of course, in all those other languages it takes about ten > times as much code as in wonderful Perl!) > > Philip > -- > Philip Lees > Working Group on Cardiology > ICS-FORTH, Science and Technology Park of Crete > Vassilika Vouton, P.O. Box 1385, GR 711 10 Heraklion, Crete, GREECE > > tel.: +30-810-391680, fax: +30-810-391601, e-mail: pjlees@ics.forth.gr > > 'The aim of high technology should be to simplify, not complicate' - > Hans Christian von Baeyer From karjala at karjala.org Tue Oct 22 04:51:43 2002 From: karjala at karjala.org (Alexander Karelas) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] [Fwd: RFC greeklish] In-Reply-To: <3DB4FB87.7070307@dreamzpace.com> References: <3DB4FB87.7070307@dreamzpace.com> Message-ID: <20021022095143.GA22344@karjala.org> > I had a good time yesterday, I hope the same counts for you. > We even made some decisions: > > - from now on we will meet each 2nd Wednesday of the month, so the next > meeting will be on 13 November. Time and location will be announced on > the list. If there's anyone that wants to write a piece of code that > calculates the date of the next meeting, please do, I'll include it in > the frontpage. #!/usr/bin/perl use Date::Calc qw( Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year ); ($date, $month, $year) = (localtime(time))[3,4,5]; $month++; $year += 1900; if ($date <= (Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year($year,$month,3,2))[2]) { print ((Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year($year,$month,3,2))[2]."/$month/$year") # "3"=Wednesday, "2"=2nd } else { $month++; if ($month==13) { $month=1; $year++; } print ((Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year($year,$month,3,2))[2]."/$month/$year") } From mark at dreamzpace.com Tue Oct 22 05:05:21 2002 From: mark at dreamzpace.com (Mark Pors) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:22:57 2004 Subject: [Athens-pm] [Fwd: RFC greeklish] References: <3DB4FB87.7070307@dreamzpace.com> <20021022095143.GA22344@karjala.org> Message-ID: <3DB522E1.5060300@dreamzpace.com> cool! It's on the site now: http://athens.pm.org/index.prl, but I can't make it the default page. Apache is probably set up to ignore .htaccess :-( I'll make a request for that with the webmaster. tnx Mark Alexander Karelas wrote: >>I had a good time yesterday, I hope the same counts for you. >>We even made some decisions: >> >>- from now on we will meet each 2nd Wednesday of the month, so the next >>meeting will be on 13 November. Time and location will be announced on >>the list. If there's anyone that wants to write a piece of code that >>calculates the date of the next meeting, please do, I'll include it in >>the frontpage. >> > >#!/usr/bin/perl > > >use Date::Calc qw( Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year ); > > > >($date, $month, $year) = (localtime(time))[3,4,5]; > >$month++; > >$year += 1900; > > > >if ($date <= (Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year($year,$month,3,2))[2]) { > > print ((Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year($year,$month,3,2))[2]."/$month/$year") # "3"=Wednesday, "2"=2nd > >} else { > > $month++; > > if ($month==13) { > > $month=1; > > $year++; > > } > > print ((Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year($year,$month,3,2))[2]."/$month/$year") > >} >_______________________________________________ >Athens-pm mailing list >Athens-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/athens-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/athens-pm/attachments/20021022/3005f74f/attachment.htm