From james.pitts at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 14:15:27 2011
From: james.pitts at gmail.com (James Pitts)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:15:27 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] Rob Malda of Slashdot at the Ann Arbor Library on
	Sunday, Oct. 9
Message-ID: <CAP4Y=c22htVnZfBvYLRwu7+85VSU+Y4vO8L_s2Oq6iJ0xdxReQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jessamyn West of Metafilter and librarian.net will also be on the panel with
him.

    Behind the Scenes of Web Communities featuring Jessamyn West and Rob
Malda
    Sunday October 9, 2011: 4:30 pm to 6:00 pm
    Downtown Library: Multi-Purpose Room

http://www.aadl.org/events/list?id=13045

Hope to see some perl mongers there!

- Jamie
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From besmit at umich.edu  Mon Oct 17 06:32:14 2011
From: besmit at umich.edu (Bryan Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:32:14 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
Message-ID: <CAEmk2XkjPHmYDRQwmLtZt1bd1rYFfps1LPsWvjt5Hqrj8otr9w@mail.gmail.com>

I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering whether
there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is anyone
interested in presenting anything?

Bryan
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From besmit at umich.edu  Sun Oct 23 08:42:50 2011
From: besmit at umich.edu (Bryan Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:42:50 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
In-Reply-To: <CAEmk2XkjPHmYDRQwmLtZt1bd1rYFfps1LPsWvjt5Hqrj8otr9w@mail.gmail.com>
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I've received some private responses, so there is some interest.

Based on how we've organized meetings in the past, someone needs to
volunteer to present, or we need to start a public discussion (on the list)
about an alternative format for the meetings. (In the past,  meetings =
presentations.)

Do we want to meetings to be less formal? (I.e., show up without an
agenda?)

Please send out your ideas to the list.


Thanks,
Bryan

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:

> I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering whether
> there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is anyone
> interested in presenting anything?
>
> Bryan
>
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 08:58:54 2011
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:58:54 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
In-Reply-To: <CAEmk2XmqQzd34-eYNX+Q-Vxz0DMfWprsTy=LZKePh_7m-H1nMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEmk2XkjPHmYDRQwmLtZt1bd1rYFfps1LPsWvjt5Hqrj8otr9w@mail.gmail.com>
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The reason you're getting private replies are because the mailing list
is configured to set reply-to to the original sender, not back to the
list.

I'm way out here by Grand Rapids, so I'm not likely to make it to A2PM
meetings, but I can offer some insight to meeting format transitions.

GRLUG once used a meeting == presentation format. It led to us having
meetings rarely; while we wanted to meet up, we didn't have any solid
presentation ideas. Some meeting plans would fizzle from a lack of
volunteers to speak.

Getting close to two years ago, we switched over to a weekly ad-hoc
arrangement. Someone (who I'll call the anchor) would go to some place
with wifi and {food and/or drink} and would be there for a solid
window of time. If anyone else wanted to show up, they'd know there'd
at least be the anchor there. Weekly attendance ranged from just me to
ten or twenty people. No set topic, just chatting about what we wanted
to and what we had in common.

No one location and time works for everyone, but for those who can
show up when/where someone decided to anchor, it's pretty fun. Earlier
this year, I stopped anchoring (I'd moved it to what turned out to be
a very bad spot, and attendance plummeted), someone else took it up,
moved it from Saturdays to Wednesday evenings, and it's been going
strong again. We've been seeing regular attendance from 10 to 20
people.

You'd have to figure out what works best for you guys, but this has
been working out pretty nicely for us. It becomes a social atmosphere
of technically-inclined people who listen to who they want to listen
to, talk about what they want to talk about, and have a coffee or beer
together. (Put that way, it sounds kinda like barcamp, but it's much
smaller, and there are no schedules.)

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> I've received some private responses, so there is some interest.
> Based on how we've organized meetings in the past, someone needs to
> volunteer to present, or we need to start a public discussion (on the list)
> about an alternative format for the meetings. (In the past, ?meetings =
> presentations.)
> Do we want to meetings to be less formal? (I.e., show up without an
> agenda?)
> Please send out your ideas to the list.
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering whether
>> there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is anyone
>> interested in presenting anything?
>> Bryan
>
> _______________________________________________
> AnnArbor-pm mailing list
> AnnArbor-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/annarbor-pm
>
>



-- 
:wq

From besmit at umich.edu  Sun Oct 23 09:29:24 2011
From: besmit at umich.edu (Bryan Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:29:24 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
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References: <CAEmk2XkjPHmYDRQwmLtZt1bd1rYFfps1LPsWvjt5Hqrj8otr9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEmk2XmqQzd34-eYNX+Q-Vxz0DMfWprsTy=LZKePh_7m-H1nMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> The reason you're getting private replies are because the mailing list
> is configured to set reply-to to the original sender, not back to the
> list.


Thanks for pointing this out.

Getting close to two years ago, we switched over to a weekly ad-hoc
> arrangement. Someone (who I'll call the anchor) would go to some place
> with wifi and {food and/or drink} and would be there for a solid
> window of time. If anyone else wanted to show up, they'd know there'd
> at least be the anchor there.


This is similar to an idea one person sent me, with the addition of an
anchor. I would rather see the group go a lower-maintenance route like this,
and we'd still have the flexibility to have more formal meetings if someone
had a topic.


Bryan

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:

> The reason you're getting private replies are because the mailing list
> is configured to set reply-to to the original sender, not back to the
> list.
>
> I'm way out here by Grand Rapids, so I'm not likely to make it to A2PM
> meetings, but I can offer some insight to meeting format transitions.
>
> GRLUG once used a meeting == presentation format. It led to us having
> meetings rarely; while we wanted to meet up, we didn't have any solid
> presentation ideas. Some meeting plans would fizzle from a lack of
> volunteers to speak.
>
> Getting close to two years ago, we switched over to a weekly ad-hoc
> arrangement. Someone (who I'll call the anchor) would go to some place
> with wifi and {food and/or drink} and would be there for a solid
> window of time. If anyone else wanted to show up, they'd know there'd
> at least be the anchor there. Weekly attendance ranged from just me to
> ten or twenty people. No set topic, just chatting about what we wanted
> to and what we had in common.
>
> No one location and time works for everyone, but for those who can
> show up when/where someone decided to anchor, it's pretty fun. Earlier
> this year, I stopped anchoring (I'd moved it to what turned out to be
> a very bad spot, and attendance plummeted), someone else took it up,
> moved it from Saturdays to Wednesday evenings, and it's been going
> strong again. We've been seeing regular attendance from 10 to 20
> people.
>
> You'd have to figure out what works best for you guys, but this has
> been working out pretty nicely for us. It becomes a social atmosphere
> of technically-inclined people who listen to who they want to listen
> to, talk about what they want to talk about, and have a coffee or beer
> together. (Put that way, it sounds kinda like barcamp, but it's much
> smaller, and there are no schedules.)
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> > I've received some private responses, so there is some interest.
> > Based on how we've organized meetings in the past, someone needs to
> > volunteer to present, or we need to start a public discussion (on the
> list)
> > about an alternative format for the meetings. (In the past,  meetings =
> > presentations.)
> > Do we want to meetings to be less formal? (I.e., show up without an
> > agenda?)
> > Please send out your ideas to the list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bryan
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering whether
> >> there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is
> anyone
> >> interested in presenting anything?
> >> Bryan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AnnArbor-pm mailing list
> > AnnArbor-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/annarbor-pm
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> :wq
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From cogent at slashdot.org  Sun Oct 23 11:06:30 2011
From: cogent at slashdot.org (David Hand)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:06:30 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
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I agree that we'd do well to have social meetings in addition to
technical meetings.  There are many different types of Perl Mongers
groups:  At one extreme, the Seattle Perl Mongers (now apparently
called the Seattle Perl Users Group) describes itself as an
"Educational Cooperative".  At the other extreme, the New York Perl
Mongers discourages much Perl discussion on its mailing list and
mostly just meets in a bar near NYU.  I've learned a hell of a lot of
Perl over beers at the Peculier Pub.  :-)

Anyway, I'd certainly attend a social meeting, and so would a couple
of my co-workers at Slashdot.  That said, I'd also attend a technical
meeting.  (I'd also like to get back in the habit of presenting.)

Michael's "anchor" idea seems to be a good one, especially in
combination with some sort of semi-regular technical meeting.  Or
maybe it'd be sufficient if there were a regular venue at which we
could host technical meetings, so that the "anchor" wouldn't have to
provide one of his own?

-- 
David 'cogent' Hand
Software Engineer
Slashdot.org
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From dave at perljedi.com  Sun Oct 23 11:48:07 2011
From: dave at perljedi.com (Dave Mueller)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:48:07 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] AnnArbor-pm Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5127.1319393193.2448.annarbor-pm@pm.org>
References: <mailman.5127.1319393193.2448.annarbor-pm@pm.org>
Message-ID: <CAPnzKQUMKGH=tfkKD1xSBYLZhua9QZKU8JK=iEBmisQgy2Rs5g@mail.gmail.com>

I would also be interested in getting some meetings going.  While
presentations and agenda's are good, I would also have interest in attending
just social meetings.

Another thought that occured to me would be to have a meeting with some time
for quick "lightning talk" kind of presentations.  It seems putting it in
that format could ease people nervous about giving a "presentation" into it,
and also allow for more informed selections on what topics would have the
most interest for a presentation.

Off the top of my head this morning I am not coming up with anything for
myself to give such a talk on, but I would certainly be willing to do one.
 I'll try over the course of the week to think of something I could talk for
a few minutes on.

   -Dave Mueller
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> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:42:50 -0400
> From: Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu>
> To: annarbor-pm at pm.org
> Subject: Re: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
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> I've received some private responses, so there is some interest.
>
> Based on how we've organized meetings in the past, someone needs to
> volunteer to present, or we need to start a public discussion (on the list)
> about an alternative format for the meetings. (In the past,  meetings =
> presentations.)
>
> Do we want to meetings to be less formal? (I.e., show up without an
> agenda?)
>
> Please send out your ideas to the list.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
>
> > I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering whether
> > there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is
> anyone
> > interested in presenting anything?
> >
> > Bryan
> >
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> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:58:54 -0400
> From: Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com>
> To: annarbor-pm at pm.org
> Subject: Re: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
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>
> The reason you're getting private replies are because the mailing list
> is configured to set reply-to to the original sender, not back to the
> list.
>
> I'm way out here by Grand Rapids, so I'm not likely to make it to A2PM
> meetings, but I can offer some insight to meeting format transitions.
>
> GRLUG once used a meeting == presentation format. It led to us having
> meetings rarely; while we wanted to meet up, we didn't have any solid
> presentation ideas. Some meeting plans would fizzle from a lack of
> volunteers to speak.
>
> Getting close to two years ago, we switched over to a weekly ad-hoc
> arrangement. Someone (who I'll call the anchor) would go to some place
> with wifi and {food and/or drink} and would be there for a solid
> window of time. If anyone else wanted to show up, they'd know there'd
> at least be the anchor there. Weekly attendance ranged from just me to
> ten or twenty people. No set topic, just chatting about what we wanted
> to and what we had in common.
>
> No one location and time works for everyone, but for those who can
> show up when/where someone decided to anchor, it's pretty fun. Earlier
> this year, I stopped anchoring (I'd moved it to what turned out to be
> a very bad spot, and attendance plummeted), someone else took it up,
> moved it from Saturdays to Wednesday evenings, and it's been going
> strong again. We've been seeing regular attendance from 10 to 20
> people.
>
> You'd have to figure out what works best for you guys, but this has
> been working out pretty nicely for us. It becomes a social atmosphere
> of technically-inclined people who listen to who they want to listen
> to, talk about what they want to talk about, and have a coffee or beer
> together. (Put that way, it sounds kinda like barcamp, but it's much
> smaller, and there are no schedules.)
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> > I've received some private responses, so there is some interest.
> > Based on how we've organized meetings in the past, someone needs to
> > volunteer to present, or we need to start a public discussion (on the
> list)
> > about an alternative format for the meetings. (In the past, ?meetings =
> > presentations.)
> > Do we want to meetings to be less formal? (I.e., show up without an
> > agenda?)
> > Please send out your ideas to the list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bryan
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering whether
> >> there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is
> anyone
> >> interested in presenting anything?
> >> Bryan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AnnArbor-pm mailing list
> > AnnArbor-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/annarbor-pm
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> :wq
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:29:24 -0400
> From: Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu>
> To: Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com>
> Cc: annarbor-pm at pm.org
> Subject: Re: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
> Message-ID:
>        <CAEmk2X=sOMOr_WDy3Roh7LvMOsWzkkziZExCF29J=Oe0sMdHGA at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> >
> > The reason you're getting private replies are because the mailing list
> > is configured to set reply-to to the original sender, not back to the
> > list.
>
>
> Thanks for pointing this out.
>
> Getting close to two years ago, we switched over to a weekly ad-hoc
> > arrangement. Someone (who I'll call the anchor) would go to some place
> > with wifi and {food and/or drink} and would be there for a solid
> > window of time. If anyone else wanted to show up, they'd know there'd
> > at least be the anchor there.
>
>
> This is similar to an idea one person sent me, with the addition of an
> anchor. I would rather see the group go a lower-maintenance route like
> this,
> and we'd still have the flexibility to have more formal meetings if someone
> had a topic.
>
>
> Bryan
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The reason you're getting private replies are because the mailing list
> > is configured to set reply-to to the original sender, not back to the
> > list.
> >
> > I'm way out here by Grand Rapids, so I'm not likely to make it to A2PM
> > meetings, but I can offer some insight to meeting format transitions.
> >
> > GRLUG once used a meeting == presentation format. It led to us having
> > meetings rarely; while we wanted to meet up, we didn't have any solid
> > presentation ideas. Some meeting plans would fizzle from a lack of
> > volunteers to speak.
> >
> > Getting close to two years ago, we switched over to a weekly ad-hoc
> > arrangement. Someone (who I'll call the anchor) would go to some place
> > with wifi and {food and/or drink} and would be there for a solid
> > window of time. If anyone else wanted to show up, they'd know there'd
> > at least be the anchor there. Weekly attendance ranged from just me to
> > ten or twenty people. No set topic, just chatting about what we wanted
> > to and what we had in common.
> >
> > No one location and time works for everyone, but for those who can
> > show up when/where someone decided to anchor, it's pretty fun. Earlier
> > this year, I stopped anchoring (I'd moved it to what turned out to be
> > a very bad spot, and attendance plummeted), someone else took it up,
> > moved it from Saturdays to Wednesday evenings, and it's been going
> > strong again. We've been seeing regular attendance from 10 to 20
> > people.
> >
> > You'd have to figure out what works best for you guys, but this has
> > been working out pretty nicely for us. It becomes a social atmosphere
> > of technically-inclined people who listen to who they want to listen
> > to, talk about what they want to talk about, and have a coffee or beer
> > together. (Put that way, it sounds kinda like barcamp, but it's much
> > smaller, and there are no schedules.)
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> > > I've received some private responses, so there is some interest.
> > > Based on how we've organized meetings in the past, someone needs to
> > > volunteer to present, or we need to start a public discussion (on the
> > list)
> > > about an alternative format for the meetings. (In the past,  meetings =
> > > presentations.)
> > > Do we want to meetings to be less formal? (I.e., show up without an
> > > agenda?)
> > > Please send out your ideas to the list.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering
> whether
> > >> there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is
> > anyone
> > >> interested in presenting anything?
> > >> Bryan
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AnnArbor-pm mailing list
> > > AnnArbor-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/annarbor-pm
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > :wq
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> I agree that we'd do well to have social meetings in addition to
> technical meetings.  There are many different types of Perl Mongers
> groups:  At one extreme, the Seattle Perl Mongers (now apparently
> called the Seattle Perl Users Group) describes itself as an
> "Educational Cooperative".  At the other extreme, the New York Perl
> Mongers discourages much Perl discussion on its mailing list and
> mostly just meets in a bar near NYU.  I've learned a hell of a lot of
> Perl over beers at the Peculier Pub.  :-)
>
> Anyway, I'd certainly attend a social meeting, and so would a couple
> of my co-workers at Slashdot.  That said, I'd also attend a technical
> meeting.  (I'd also like to get back in the habit of presenting.)
>
> Michael's "anchor" idea seems to be a good one, especially in
> combination with some sort of semi-regular technical meeting.  Or
> maybe it'd be sufficient if there were a regular venue at which we
> could host technical meetings, so that the "anchor" wouldn't have to
> provide one of his own?
>
> --
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> Software Engineer
> Slashdot.org
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From mikemol at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 12:49:31 2011
From: mikemol at gmail.com (Michael Mol)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:49:31 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
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On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:06 PM, David Hand <cogent at slashdot.org> wrote:
> I agree that we'd do well to have social meetings in addition to
> technical meetings. ?There are many different types of Perl Mongers
> groups: ?At one extreme, the Seattle Perl Mongers (now apparently
> called the Seattle Perl Users Group) describes itself as an
> "Educational Cooperative". ?At the other extreme, the New York Perl
> Mongers discourages much Perl discussion on its mailing list and
> mostly just meets in a bar near NYU. ?I've learned a hell of a lot of
> Perl over beers at the Peculier Pub. ?:-)
>
> Anyway, I'd certainly attend a social meeting, and so would a couple
> of my co-workers at Slashdot. ?That said, I'd also attend a technical
> meeting. ?(I'd also like to get back in the habit of presenting.)
>
> Michael's "anchor" idea seems to be a good one, especially in
> combination with some sort of semi-regular technical meeting. ?Or
> maybe it'd be sufficient if there were a regular venue at which we
> could host technical meetings, so that the "anchor" wouldn't have to
> provide one of his own?

When I was anchor, it wasn't necessarily a matter of me having
something to present. It was more a matter of me being there, someone
who people could ask questions of, bounce ideas off of, or just be
generally social. Sure, I brought along my digital camera, laptop and
a couple other electronic gadgets so I could say "here's how you can
use $cool_gadget under Linux", but I pretty much never needed them.
Usually, it'd be enough for me to ask individuals, "What do you do?
What have you been poking at in the last week?" followed by "I thought
that worked like this." or "Neat. I've been thinking about messing
with that." It keeps the conversations open and the topic of
conversation wide-ranging and random.

If you were to ask me a question like that at a Perl-flavored social
meeting, I might chat a bit about what I understand of Perl 6, and my
ideas for building an implementation in C++ with a little bit of JIT
and OpenCL magic thrown in. Or about the guy I know who's working on
package repository containing code which translates automatically into
Perl, Python and a few other languages. Or I might turn around and ask
questions about different object models in Perl, and the differences
between, e.g. ActiveState Perl and the stuff that comes out of the
Debian repos. Or idly chat about what a functioning lolspeak
equivalent to Lingua::Romana::Perligata would be.

--
:wq

From crystalruby at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 19:48:43 2011
From: crystalruby at gmail.com (Erin)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:48:43 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
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I'm up for doing something more ad-hoc.  Maybe instead of having one anchor,
we could rotate through?  This was kind of what I was thinking of.  I don't
know about the rest of you but the next couple of months is pretty busy for
me; family, work, and I'm busy taking the Machine Learning and Intro to AI
Stanford public courses.  But that doesn't mean I wouldn't have a day or two
sometime in the schedule to just go sit somewhere for a bit.  I'll admit
though, I'm not terribly familiar with the area and tend to avoid downtown
locations of whatever local metro (be it GR where I came from or otherwise)
I'm near, but that doesn't mean I can't get suggestions from folks and sit
where I'm told. *grin*

I've done some pretty random stuff over the years, too, so just sitting and
talking about what I've done and what others have done works for me.  I miss
that.  A lot.

--Erin
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From dave.mueller at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 11:47:04 2011
From: dave.mueller at gmail.com (Dave Mueller)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:47:04 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] AnnArbor-pm Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3
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I would also be interested in getting some meetings going.  While
presentations and agenda's are good, I would also have interest in attending
just social meetings.

Another thought that occured to me would be to have a meeting with some time
for quick "lightning talk" kind of presentations.  It seems putting it in
that format could ease people nervous about giving a "presentation" into it,
and also allow for more informed selections on what topics would have the
most interest for a presentation.

Off the top of my head this morning I am not coming up with anything for
myself to give such a talk on, but I would certainly be willing to do one.
 I'll try over the course of the week to think of something I could talk for
a few minutes on.

   -Dave Mueller

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> From: Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
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> I've received some private responses, so there is some interest.
>
> Based on how we've organized meetings in the past, someone needs to
> volunteer to present, or we need to start a public discussion (on the list)
> about an alternative format for the meetings. (In the past,  meetings =
> presentations.)
>
> Do we want to meetings to be less formal? (I.e., show up without an
> agenda?)
>
> Please send out your ideas to the list.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
>
> > I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering whether
> > there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is
> anyone
> > interested in presenting anything?
> >
> > Bryan
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> From: Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [AnnArbor.pm] [A2PM] Interest in meetings?
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> The reason you're getting private replies are because the mailing list
> is configured to set reply-to to the original sender, not back to the
> list.
>
> I'm way out here by Grand Rapids, so I'm not likely to make it to A2PM
> meetings, but I can offer some insight to meeting format transitions.
>
> GRLUG once used a meeting == presentation format. It led to us having
> meetings rarely; while we wanted to meet up, we didn't have any solid
> presentation ideas. Some meeting plans would fizzle from a lack of
> volunteers to speak.
>
> Getting close to two years ago, we switched over to a weekly ad-hoc
> arrangement. Someone (who I'll call the anchor) would go to some place
> with wifi and {food and/or drink} and would be there for a solid
> window of time. If anyone else wanted to show up, they'd know there'd
> at least be the anchor there. Weekly attendance ranged from just me to
> ten or twenty people. No set topic, just chatting about what we wanted
> to and what we had in common.
>
> No one location and time works for everyone, but for those who can
> show up when/where someone decided to anchor, it's pretty fun. Earlier
> this year, I stopped anchoring (I'd moved it to what turned out to be
> a very bad spot, and attendance plummeted), someone else took it up,
> moved it from Saturdays to Wednesday evenings, and it's been going
> strong again. We've been seeing regular attendance from 10 to 20
> people.
>
> You'd have to figure out what works best for you guys, but this has
> been working out pretty nicely for us. It becomes a social atmosphere
> of technically-inclined people who listen to who they want to listen
> to, talk about what they want to talk about, and have a coffee or beer
> together. (Put that way, it sounds kinda like barcamp, but it's much
> smaller, and there are no schedules.)
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> > I've received some private responses, so there is some interest.
> > Based on how we've organized meetings in the past, someone needs to
> > volunteer to present, or we need to start a public discussion (on the
> list)
> > about an alternative format for the meetings. (In the past, ?meetings =
> > presentations.)
> > Do we want to meetings to be less formal? (I.e., show up without an
> > agenda?)
> > Please send out your ideas to the list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bryan
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering whether
> >> there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is
> anyone
> >> interested in presenting anything?
> >> Bryan
> >
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> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:29:24 -0400
> From: Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu>
> To: Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com>
> Cc: annarbor-pm at pm.org
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> > The reason you're getting private replies are because the mailing list
> > is configured to set reply-to to the original sender, not back to the
> > list.
>
>
> Thanks for pointing this out.
>
> Getting close to two years ago, we switched over to a weekly ad-hoc
> > arrangement. Someone (who I'll call the anchor) would go to some place
> > with wifi and {food and/or drink} and would be there for a solid
> > window of time. If anyone else wanted to show up, they'd know there'd
> > at least be the anchor there.
>
>
> This is similar to an idea one person sent me, with the addition of an
> anchor. I would rather see the group go a lower-maintenance route like
> this,
> and we'd still have the flexibility to have more formal meetings if someone
> had a topic.
>
>
> Bryan
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The reason you're getting private replies are because the mailing list
> > is configured to set reply-to to the original sender, not back to the
> > list.
> >
> > I'm way out here by Grand Rapids, so I'm not likely to make it to A2PM
> > meetings, but I can offer some insight to meeting format transitions.
> >
> > GRLUG once used a meeting == presentation format. It led to us having
> > meetings rarely; while we wanted to meet up, we didn't have any solid
> > presentation ideas. Some meeting plans would fizzle from a lack of
> > volunteers to speak.
> >
> > Getting close to two years ago, we switched over to a weekly ad-hoc
> > arrangement. Someone (who I'll call the anchor) would go to some place
> > with wifi and {food and/or drink} and would be there for a solid
> > window of time. If anyone else wanted to show up, they'd know there'd
> > at least be the anchor there. Weekly attendance ranged from just me to
> > ten or twenty people. No set topic, just chatting about what we wanted
> > to and what we had in common.
> >
> > No one location and time works for everyone, but for those who can
> > show up when/where someone decided to anchor, it's pretty fun. Earlier
> > this year, I stopped anchoring (I'd moved it to what turned out to be
> > a very bad spot, and attendance plummeted), someone else took it up,
> > moved it from Saturdays to Wednesday evenings, and it's been going
> > strong again. We've been seeing regular attendance from 10 to 20
> > people.
> >
> > You'd have to figure out what works best for you guys, but this has
> > been working out pretty nicely for us. It becomes a social atmosphere
> > of technically-inclined people who listen to who they want to listen
> > to, talk about what they want to talk about, and have a coffee or beer
> > together. (Put that way, it sounds kinda like barcamp, but it's much
> > smaller, and there are no schedules.)
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> > > I've received some private responses, so there is some interest.
> > > Based on how we've organized meetings in the past, someone needs to
> > > volunteer to present, or we need to start a public discussion (on the
> > list)
> > > about an alternative format for the meetings. (In the past,  meetings =
> > > presentations.)
> > > Do we want to meetings to be less formal? (I.e., show up without an
> > > agenda?)
> > > Please send out your ideas to the list.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bryan Smith <besmit at umich.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I've received an email asking about the group, and was wondering
> whether
> > >> there is any interest in starting meetings up again. Particularly, is
> > anyone
> > >> interested in presenting anything?
> > >> Bryan
> > >
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> I agree that we'd do well to have social meetings in addition to
> technical meetings.  There are many different types of Perl Mongers
> groups:  At one extreme, the Seattle Perl Mongers (now apparently
> called the Seattle Perl Users Group) describes itself as an
> "Educational Cooperative".  At the other extreme, the New York Perl
> Mongers discourages much Perl discussion on its mailing list and
> mostly just meets in a bar near NYU.  I've learned a hell of a lot of
> Perl over beers at the Peculier Pub.  :-)
>
> Anyway, I'd certainly attend a social meeting, and so would a couple
> of my co-workers at Slashdot.  That said, I'd also attend a technical
> meeting.  (I'd also like to get back in the habit of presenting.)
>
> Michael's "anchor" idea seems to be a good one, especially in
> combination with some sort of semi-regular technical meeting.  Or
> maybe it'd be sufficient if there were a regular venue at which we
> could host technical meetings, so that the "anchor" wouldn't have to
> provide one of his own?
>
> --
> David 'cogent' Hand
> Software Engineer
> Slashdot.org
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From annarbor-pm at pm.org  Wed Oct 26 14:36:53 2011
From: annarbor-pm at pm.org (Ann Arbor Perl Mongers)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:36:53 -0400
Subject: [AnnArbor.pm] Catalyst Job Opportunity - Telecommute
Message-ID: <mailman.5360.1319665016.2448.annarbor-pm@pm.org>

I apologize if no one wants to be spammed by this; please yell at me if so
and I won't do it again.

I've a contact that is looking for a Catalyst developer.  I did a bit of
work for them last year; the company you'd actually be working with is not
bad, and assuming the guy who you'd be interfacing with there hasn't
changed, he's a good guy who I'd gladly work with again.

The last time I worked for them, telecommute was possible (the company is
located in a different state, but still in our timezone) and it was a couple
month gig.  I can't imagine why it wouldn't be telecommute this time around,
too.  As I recall they used some jQuery, too, so that'd probably be a plus.
If you're interested, let me know and I can put the two of you into contact.
If I weren't insanely busy at work and taking two online courses, I'd take
this gig up again in a heartbeat.

--Erin
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