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Hello all. Briefly the following is from a discussion among Perl Mongers
organizers about having their group Web page on a Wiki site and allowing
the members to maintain their own sections of the page. To this socially-
challenged dude it sounds an awful lot like interacting and organizing and
so on. Comments? Is anyone interested in this? Would anyone like me to
forward their thoughts about the concept to the Perl Mongers powers? Linda,
you mentioned this as a possibility once. What are your thoughts?</span></font>
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This is an excellent idea. I'd most likely move Vancouver.pm to this -</span></font>
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hopefully it would foster participation from the Vancouver Perl</span></font>
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On 7/11/07, Bill Odom <billodom@gmail.com> wrote:</span></font>
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> Hi all.</span></font>
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> Here's part of the proposal I put together a few weeks back, when I</span></font>
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> (re)proposed Andy's original wikis-for-PMs idea to the Socialtext</span></font>
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> Powers-That-Be. I wanted to share it with everyone, so you could get</span></font>
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> an idea of what I was asking ST to provide, and to get feedback or</span></font>
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> questions before we move forward and make a broader announcement.</span></font>
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> Please let me know what you think.</span></font>
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> Bill</span></font>
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> P.S. - Sorry for the wikitext; it's copied from a posting on an</span></font>
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> ^ Proposal</span></font>
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> Provide free wiki hosting for PerlMongers groups.</span></font>
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> Provide a workspace for every PerlMongers group, upon request.</span></font>
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> * Some PMs already have their own wikis, and won't need or want a new one.</span></font>
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> Consider providing a general PerlMongers workspace in addition to the</span></font>
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