From perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org Tue Jan 8 07:30:20 2008 From: perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:30:20 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] see you tomorrow at BAPL Message-ID: <20080108153020.GA8700@knight> Tomorrow, Wednesday the 9th, at 18:00, at the Bethlehem Area Public Library (bapl.org) main branch, on Church Street. I'll be talking about App::Cmd with two brief lead-ins about OO in Perl and Perl namespaces. After that, we'll head to Penn or Ripper's for a beer and a bite. -- rjbs From perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org Wed Jan 9 10:20:43 2008 From: perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:20:43 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] TMTOWTDI defended Message-ID: <20080109182043.GA12078@knight.cable.rcn.com> I thought this was an interesting little blog post: http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/35341 -- rjbs From faber at linuxnj.com Wed Jan 9 11:57:46 2008 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:57:46 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] TMTOWTDI defended In-Reply-To: <20080109182043.GA12078@knight.cable.rcn.com> References: <20080109182043.GA12078@knight.cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <20080109195746.GA9679@neptune.faber.nom> On 09/01/08 13:20 -0500, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > I thought this was an interesting little blog post: > > http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/35341 Meh. The only thing that actually applied to TMTWOTDI was how it is great for language design. The rest of the rant is more about the personalities and education of programmers wrt how they approach programming solutions. -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From faber at linuxnj.com Wed Jan 9 12:01:35 2008 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:01:35 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] OT: Bookstores Message-ID: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> I need to pick up a Python book, preferably an O'Reilly one. Is there a bookstore between me and you guys that I can stop at on my way to the meeting tonight? The only place I know that might have a bookstore is in that shopping mall on 33(?). -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From tfreedman at iqep.com Wed Jan 9 13:16:00 2008 From: tfreedman at iqep.com (Tom Freedman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:16:00 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] OT: Bookstores In-Reply-To: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: abe-pm-bounces+tfreedman=iqep.com at pm.org [mailto:abe-pm- > bounces+tfreedman=iqep.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Faber J. Fedor > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:02 PM > To: ABE-PM > Subject: [ABE.pm] OT: Bookstores > > I need to pick up a Python book, preferably an O'Reilly one. Is there a > bookstore between me and you guys that I can stop at on my way to the > meeting tonight? > > The only place I know that might have a bookstore is in that shopping > mall on 33(?). > I'd recommend the Barnes & Noble located at Rt. 33 and Freemansburg Ave. The official address according to Google is: 4445 Southmont Way Easton, PA 18045 (610) 515-0376 You can then get to the library via Freemansburg: http://tinyurl.com/2edhyk Ignore the goofy beginning of this route; from the shopping center, you can get directly back onto Freemansburg and take it west. -Tom Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org Wed Jan 9 13:16:36 2008 From: perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:16:36 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] OT: Bookstores In-Reply-To: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20080109211636.GA12524@knight.cable.rcn.com> * "Faber J. Fedor" [2008-01-09T15:01:35] > I need to pick up a Python book, preferably an O'Reilly one. Is there a > bookstore between me and you guys that I can stop at on my way to the > meeting tonight? Maybe the Lehigh U bookstore, located at New and Morton on the south side (~4 blocks from McGrady's). > The only place I know that might have a bookstore is in that shopping > mall on 33(?). That'd be my second guess. I get all my books from Amazon because the book store downtown sucks. -- rjbs From rhkramer at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:22:54 2008 From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:22:54 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] OT: Bookstores In-Reply-To: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <200801091622.55286.rhkramer@gmail.com> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 03:01 pm, Faber J. Fedor wrote: > I need to pick up a Python book, preferably an O'Reilly one. Is there a > bookstore between me and you guys that I can stop at on my way to the > meeting tonight? > > The only place I know that might have a bookstore is in that shopping > mall on 33(?). Faber, I wasn't aware of that one, but I guess you're thinking of the Barnes and Noble at 4445 Southmont Way in Bethlehem. (610/515-0376). That probably is your best bet. I had to call the Barnes and Noble in the Lehigh Valley Mall to try to get an address, so I asked them where the one on Southmont Way is, and it is off 33. On 7th Street / MacArthur Road you can find both a Borders and a Barnes and Noble, the Borders is at 1937 MacArthur Road, Whitehall, Pa., 18052, 610/432-5520. This is in the Whitehall Mall which is essentially adjacent to the Lehigh Valley Mall (across Grape Street, both on the same side of MacArthur Road). The (relocated) Barnes and Noble is in the new Lifestyle Center at the Lehigh Valley Mall--they couldn't give me a street address, but they said I should be able to mapquest the Lehigh Valley Mall. There number is 610/264-0238. I can't think of the name at the moment, there is also the bargain place that sells many things besides books, but used to have a great assortment of surplus computer books. They don't seem to have as much recently, but can be worth checking out. Randy Kramer From waltman at pobox.com Wed Jan 9 13:30:38 2008 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:30:38 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] OT: Bookstores In-Reply-To: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20080109213038.GA20900@mawode.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 03:01:35PM -0500, Faber J. Fedor wrote: > I need to pick up a Python book, preferably an O'Reilly one. Is there a > bookstore between me and you guys that I can stop at on my way to the > meeting tonight? > > The only place I know that might have a bookstore is in that shopping > mall on 33(?). Considering the meeting's being held in a library, perhaps you could try to borrow a python book? :) Walt From perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org Wed Jan 9 13:38:26 2008 From: perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:38:26 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] TMTOWTDI defended In-Reply-To: <20080109195746.GA9679@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20080109182043.GA12078@knight.cable.rcn.com> <20080109195746.GA9679@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20080109213826.GA12555@knight.cable.rcn.com> * "Faber J. Fedor" [2008-01-09T14:57:46] > On 09/01/08 13:20 -0500, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > I thought this was an interesting little blog post: > > > > http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/35341 > > Meh. The only thing that actually applied to TMTWOTDI was how it is > great for language design. The rest of the rant is more about the > personalities and education of programmers wrt how they approach > programming solutions. I don't really know what you mean by "great for language design." I think it's making the statement that it's a great design for a language. The very fact that TMTOWTDI may force you to consider the multiple ways also forces you to compare them and educate yourself, he's saying. So, of course it's about personality and education: he's saying that using Perl gives you an education and affects your personality positively, giving you more ways to approach programming problems. -- rjbs From rhkramer at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 15:35:47 2008 From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:35:47 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] OT: Bookstores In-Reply-To: <20080109213038.GA20900@mawode.com> References: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> <20080109213038.GA20900@mawode.com> Message-ID: <200801091835.47827.rhkramer@gmail.com> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 04:30 pm, Walt Mankowski wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 03:01:35PM -0500, Faber J. Fedor wrote: > > I need to pick up a Python book, preferably an O'Reilly one. Is there a > > bookstore between me and you guys that I can stop at on my way to the > > meeting tonight? > > > > The only place I know that might have a bookstore is in that shopping > > mall on 33(?). > > Considering the meeting's being held in a library, perhaps you could > try to borrow a python book? :) Hmm, not all that bad an idea despite how far away you live--you can borrow most books for three weeks and then renew them one time, so it would be six weeks until you needed to get it back--if worst comes to worst, you could mail it back. Hmm, I'm not sure whether you'd have any difficulty joining since you don't live locally--I've joined libraries in places I used to travel to, but in some cases I had to pay. If you lived elsewhere in Pennsylvania there is sort of a cooperative agreement that at least lets your local library borrow books from other libraries in the state if your local library doesn't have a book--I don't know if that extends to those other libraries extending you borrowing privileges at their library. It seems like it should, but ... Randy Kramer Randy Kramer From perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org Wed Jan 9 18:58:20 2008 From: perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:58:20 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] OT: Bookstores In-Reply-To: <200801091835.47827.rhkramer@gmail.com> References: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> <20080109213038.GA20900@mawode.com> <200801091835.47827.rhkramer@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080110025820.GA12985@knight.cable.rcn.com> * Randy Kramer [2008-01-09T18:35:47] > On Wednesday 09 January 2008 04:30 pm, Walt Mankowski wrote: > > Considering the meeting's being held in a library, perhaps you could > > try to borrow a python book? :) > > Hmm, not all that bad an idea despite how far away you live--you can borrow > most books for three weeks and then renew them one time, so it would be six > weeks until you needed to get it back--if worst comes to worst, you could > mail it back. Moot point: BAPL seems to have no Python books. Several Ruby books, though. -- rjbs From jkeen at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 18:57:57 2008 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:57:57 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] TMTOWTDI defended In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:20:43 -0500, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > > I thought this was an interesting little blog post: > So did I. Thanks for pulling my/our coat to it. From rhkramer at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 11:20:01 2008 From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:20:01 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] OT: Bookstores In-Reply-To: <20080110025820.GA12985@knight.cable.rcn.com> References: <20080109200135.GA9785@neptune.faber.nom> <200801091835.47827.rhkramer@gmail.com> <20080110025820.GA12985@knight.cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <200801101420.02563.rhkramer@gmail.com> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 09:58 pm, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > * Randy Kramer [2008-01-09T18:35:47] > > On Wednesday 09 January 2008 04:30 pm, Walt Mankowski wrote: > > > Considering the meeting's being held in a library, perhaps you could > > > try to borrow a python book? :) > > > > Hmm, not all that bad an idea despite how far away you live--you can borrow > > most books for three weeks and then renew them one time, so it would be six > > weeks until you needed to get it back--if worst comes to worst, you could > > mail it back. > > Moot point: BAPL seems to have no Python books. Several Ruby books, though. Interesting. I've borrowed the Ruby books at various times--guess I never borrowed a Python book ;-) Randy Kramer From fiedlert at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 11:57:49 2008 From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:57:49 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] possible bug in Regexp::Assemble Message-ID: <478E61BD.3020807@gmail.com> Can anyone explain this behavior? code #!/home/tfiedler/perl/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use Regexp::Assemble; use Data::Dumper; my $ra = Regexp::Assemble->new; $ra->add( 'ab+c' ); $ra->add( 'ab+-' ); $ra->add( 'a\w\d+' ); $ra->add( 'a\d+' ); print $ra->re; # prints a(?:\w?\d+|b+[-c]) #print Dumper $ra; Thats the code from the documentation w/ the exception of the Data::Dumper stuff... So I run this and get no output, If I comment out the last line print Dumper... I get: [tfiedler at rlinux2]~/bin% ./regexp.pl (?-xism:a(?:\w?\d+|b+[-c]))$VAR1 = bless( { 'anchor_string_begin' => 0, 'unroll_plus' => 0, 'anchor_line_begin' => 0, 'anchor_line_end' => 0, 'anchor_string_end' => 0, 'anchor_word_begin' => 0, 'debug' => 0, 'lookahead' => 0, 'anchor_word_end' => 0, 'reduce' => 1, 'mutable' => 0, 'flags' => '', 'str' => 'a(?:\\w?\\d+|b+[-c])', 'fold_meta_pairs' => 1, 'track' => 0, 're' => qr/(?-xism:a(?:\w?\d+|b+[-c]))/, 'path' => [], 'indent' => 0, 'stats_raw' => 18, 'stats_cooked' => 18, 'stats_add' => 4, 'chomp' => 1, 'anchor_string_end_absolute' => 0, 'dup_warn' => 0 }, 'Regexp::Assemble' ); Which is what I expect. Any ideas? Ted From fiedlert at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 11:59:53 2008 From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:59:53 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] Regexp::Assemble Message-ID: <478E6239.8080504@gmail.com> perl is 5.10.0 Ted From perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org Wed Jan 16 13:37:39 2008 From: perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:37:39 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] possible bug in Regexp::Assemble In-Reply-To: <478E61BD.3020807@gmail.com> References: <478E61BD.3020807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080116213739.GA2561@knight.cable.rcn.com> * Ted Fiedler [2008-01-16T14:57:49] > > my $ra = Regexp::Assemble->new; > $ra->add( 'ab+c' ); > $ra->add( 'ab+-' ); > $ra->add( 'a\w\d+' ); > $ra->add( 'a\d+' ); > print $ra->re; # prints a(?:\w?\d+|b+[-c]) I get: (?-xism:a(?:\w?\d+|b+[-c])) Regexp::Assemble is up to date (0.32). perl 5.10.0 -- rjbs From fiedlert at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 04:04:59 2008 From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:04:59 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] possible bug in Regexp::Assemble In-Reply-To: <20080116213739.GA2561@knight.cable.rcn.com> References: <478E61BD.3020807@gmail.com> <20080116213739.GA2561@knight.cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <478F446B.3020000@gmail.com> Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > * Ted Fiedler [2008-01-16T14:57:49] > >> my $ra = Regexp::Assemble->new; >> $ra->add( 'ab+c' ); >> $ra->add( 'ab+-' ); >> $ra->add( 'a\w\d+' ); >> $ra->add( 'a\d+' ); >> print $ra->re; # prints a(?:\w?\d+|b+[-c]) >> > > I get: (?-xism:a(?:\w?\d+|b+[-c])) > > Regexp::Assemble is up to date (0.32). > > perl 5.10.0 > > Oddly, I can only reproduce this on this particular box. Regexp::Assemble is @ 0.32 and perl 5.10.0 Since the code is not going to be running on this box, Im not going to worry too much. Thanks Ted From perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org Fri Jan 25 15:10:29 2008 From: perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:10:29 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] Feb 6; McGrady's; beer, wings, and so on Message-ID: <20080125231029.GA59520@68-30-30-45.area4.spcsdns.net> See you all then? -- rjbs From faber at linuxnj.com Fri Jan 25 17:05:57 2008 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:05:57 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] Feb 6; McGrady's; beer, wings, and so on In-Reply-To: <20080125231029.GA59520@68-30-30-45.area4.spcsdns.net> References: <20080125231029.GA59520@68-30-30-45.area4.spcsdns.net> Message-ID: <20080126010557.GA7528@neptune.faber.nom> On 25/01/08 18:10 -0500, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > See you all then? Sure. And you can explain some of the magic this guy is talking about: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=430280&cid=22184772 (The whole thread is fun reading. http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/01/25/1438247.shtml) -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org Fri Jan 25 20:09:10 2008 From: perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:09:10 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] Feb 6; McGrady's; beer, wings, and so on In-Reply-To: <20080126010557.GA7528@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20080125231029.GA59520@68-30-30-45.area4.spcsdns.net> <20080126010557.GA7528@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20080126040910.GA62350@knight.local> * "Faber J. Fedor" [2008-01-25T20:05:57] > Sure. And you can explain some of the magic this guy is talking about: > http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=430280&cid=22184772 He seems to be a bit of a loon, or at least not a very good writer. Of course, he's better than the author of the horrible cio.com article, to which I think this was the best response: http://use.perl.org/~brian_d_foy/journal -- rjbs From perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org Sat Jan 26 19:20:38 2008 From: perl.abe at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:20:38 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] samurai tea room Message-ID: <20080127032038.GA73701@knight.local> As discussed last time: http://rjbs.manxome.org/writing/if/samurai/samurai.z5 You'll need a z-machine emulator to play it. Frotz, Winzip, or Zoom. -- rjbs