From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Jan  3 12:16:54 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:16:54 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] Can't make it tonight :-(
Message-ID: <20070103201654.GA13302@neptune.faber.nom>

I know, you're heartbroken about it, but I've got too much to do and not
enough time to do it in.

So whilst you guys are sloshing beers, think of me setting up a VPN and
crunching financial data.

-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber Fedor
President
Linux New Jersey, Inc.
908-320-0357
800-706-0701

http://www.linuxnj.com




From fiedlert at gmail.com  Wed Jan  3 12:29:49 2007
From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:29:49 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] Can't make it tonight :-(
In-Reply-To: <20070103201654.GA13302@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070103201654.GA13302@neptune.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <814422ce0701031229q60a6aa69kb99ebbcd8645e9c5@mail.gmail.com>

As luck would have it I wont be there either this evening - I haven't
been able to spend much time w/ my kids for the past few days.

Ted

On 1/3/07, Faber J. Fedor <faber at linuxnj.com> wrote:
> I know, you're heartbroken about it, but I've got too much to do and not
> enough time to do it in.
>
> So whilst you guys are sloshing beers, think of me setting up a VPN and
> crunching financial data.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Faber Fedor
> President
> Linux New Jersey, Inc.
> 908-320-0357
> 800-706-0701
>
> http://www.linuxnj.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ABE-pm mailing list
> ABE-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/abe-pm
>


-- 
"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
They know it's going to rise tomorrow. "
  -- Robert M Pirsig

From tfreedman at iqep.com  Wed Jan  3 12:42:19 2007
From: tfreedman at iqep.com (Tom Freedman)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:42:19 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] Can't make it tonight :-(
In-Reply-To: <814422ce0701031229q60a6aa69kb99ebbcd8645e9c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070103201654.GA13302@neptune.faber.nom>
	<814422ce0701031229q60a6aa69kb99ebbcd8645e9c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <488856AE33F91F4A881EA12F52DDC8C63C457C@inbtmail1.group.iqep.com>

Ah, me three.  Got a lot of household stuff to catch up on after the
holidays.  Time to disassemble the artificial tree!

Maybe next month...

-Tom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: abe-pm-bounces+tfreedman=iqep.com at pm.org [mailto:abe-pm-
> bounces+tfreedman=iqep.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Ted Fiedler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:30 PM
> To: ABE-PM
> Subject: Re: [ABE.pm] Can't make it tonight :-(
> 
> As luck would have it I wont be there either this evening - I haven't
> been able to spend much time w/ my kids for the past few days.
> 
> Ted
> 
> On 1/3/07, Faber J. Fedor <faber at linuxnj.com> wrote:
> > I know, you're heartbroken about it, but I've got too much to do and
> not
> > enough time to do it in.
> >
> > So whilst you guys are sloshing beers, think of me setting up a VPN
> and
> > crunching financial data.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Faber Fedor
> > President
> > Linux New Jersey, Inc.
> > 908-320-0357
> > 800-706-0701
> >
> > http://www.linuxnj.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ABE-pm mailing list
> > ABE-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/abe-pm
> >
> 
> 
> --
> "You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
> They know it's going to rise tomorrow. "
>   -- Robert M Pirsig
> _______________________________________________
> ABE-pm mailing list
> ABE-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/abe-pm

From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Jan  3 13:16:04 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:16:04 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] Can't make it tonight :-(
In-Reply-To: <488856AE33F91F4A881EA12F52DDC8C63C457C@inbtmail1.group.iqep.com>
References: <20070103201654.GA13302@neptune.faber.nom>
	<814422ce0701031229q60a6aa69kb99ebbcd8645e9c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<488856AE33F91F4A881EA12F52DDC8C63C457C@inbtmail1.group.iqep.com>
Message-ID: <20070103211604.GB21332@knight.local>

* Faber Fedor
> I know, you're heartbroken about it, but I've got too much to do and not
> enough time to do it in.
>
> So whilst you guys are sloshing beers, think of me setting up a VPN and
> crunching financial data.

* Ted Fiedler
> As luck would have it I wont be there either this evening - I haven't
> been able to spend much time w/ my kids for the past few days.

* Tom Freedman
> Ah, me three.  Got a lot of household stuff to catch up on after the
> holidays.  Time to disassemble the artificial tree!
> 

Good grief!  Unless *someone* is going, I'll just stay home and nurse my sore
throat.  Anyone?  Anyone?

-- 
rjbs

From faber at linuxnj.com  Tue Jan  9 19:09:00 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 22:09:00 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] Accessing parameters in OOP
Message-ID: <20070110030900.GA21477@neptune.faber.nom>

I just went throughthe 2006 archives looking for an OOP thread to
refresh my fuzzy memory and I couldn't find it, so I'll ask again.

Internally, I access the object's internal data like this:

    $where = "where name = $self->{name} " ;

IIRC, this is A Bad Thing, right?  

Do I write an method like 

    sub name {
        my $self = shift;
        if (@_) {
            $self->{name} = lc(shift);
        }
        return $self->{name};
    }

and then call it like this

    $where = "where name = name() " ;

or maybe 

    $where = "where name = ". name() ;


How does the object know which name() to look for?

(Yes, when I'm outside the object, I do use the name() method to access
the $self->{name}).

And another thing, if I'm inside my object and I call another function
inside my object, why do I explicitly have to pass $self?  Why isn't it
automagically passed in like it is with name() above?


-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber Fedor
President
Linux New Jersey, Inc.
908-320-0357
800-706-0701

http://www.linuxnj.com




From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Jan 10 05:19:16 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:19:16 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] Accessing parameters in OOP
In-Reply-To: <20070110030900.GA21477@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070110030900.GA21477@neptune.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <20070110131916.GA10407@zodiac.codesimply.com>

* "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-01-09T22:09:00]
> I just went throughthe 2006 archives looking for an OOP thread to
> refresh my fuzzy memory and I couldn't find it, so I'll ask again.
> 
> Internally, I access the object's internal data like this:
> 
>     $where = "where name = $self->{name} " ;
> 
> IIRC, this is A Bad Thing, right?  

Right.  It means that if later you decide that an object's name is computed,
you have to go change verything that did that, for example.

> Do I write an method like 
> 
>     sub name {
>         my $self = shift;
>         if (@_) {
>             $self->{name} = lc(shift);
>         }
>         return $self->{name};
>     }

That looks reasonable.

> and then call it like this
> 
>     $where = "where name = name() " ;
> 
> or maybe 
> 
>     $where = "where name = ". name() ;

The first one wouldn't interpolate (only the three basic data types do, and
hashes only do if you're subscriping them).  The second one would fail,
beacuse, as you wonder:

> How does the object know which name() to look for?

It wouldn't.  You need to give it an invocant:

  $where = "where name = " . $self->name;

> And another thing, if I'm inside my object and I call another function
> inside my object, why do I explicitly have to pass $self?  Why isn't it
> automagically passed in like it is with name() above?

Because it isn't in your name() example, either!  Routines defined in classes
are not special, because perl doesn't know what package is a class and what
isn't.  It decides whether you're calling a method or routine based on whether
you called "whatever()" or "$invocant->whatever()"

If you write code inside your class and that routine expects an object as the
first argument, it should be called as a method.  If you write code in your
class that doesn't take the object as the first argument, that is probably a
mistake.

-- 
rjbs
> 
> 
> -- 
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Faber Fedor
> President
> Linux New Jersey, Inc.
> 908-320-0357
> 800-706-0701
> 
> http://www.linuxnj.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ABE-pm mailing list
> ABE-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/abe-pm
> 

From faber at linuxnj.com  Sun Jan 21 19:38:23 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:38:23 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] SICP online
Message-ID: <20070122033823.GB8463@neptune.faber.nom>


For the programming geeks in the audience, UC Berkeley has a podcast of
their course teaching "Structure and Interpretation of Computer
Programs" (http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html). 

You need iTunes to access it via http://itunes.berkeley.edu/.  

-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber Fedor
President
Linux New Jersey, Inc.
908-320-0357
800-706-0701

http://www.linuxnj.com




From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Mon Jan 22 02:40:41 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:40:41 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] bowling and perl
Message-ID: <20070122104041.GA6432@zodiac.codesimply.com>


I've been playing a lot of bowling on my Wii lately, which inspired me to write
this:

  http://search.cpan.org/dist/Games-Bowling-Scorecard/

Who wants to implement nin-pin? :)

-- 
rjbs

From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Sat Jan 27 10:59:50 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:59:50 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] YAPC::NA 2007 Call For Participation
Message-ID: <20070127185950.GB11538@zodiac.codesimply.com>

From: Jeremy Fluhmann

On behalf of The Perl Foundation <http://perlfoundation.org/>,
Houston.pm<http://houston.pm.org/>is officially announcing the call
for participation for Yet Another Perl
Conference North America 2007. The conference will be held in Houston,
Texas, June 25 - 27 at the University of Houston.

  *Key Dates:*
  - Abstract Submission Deadline - *April 9th*
  - Schedule Announcement - *April 30th*

We are looking for presentations that current (or future) Perl programmers
would enjoy. Talks aimed at veteran Perl programmers, beginners, or anyone
in between are all welcome.

Presentation slots will be 20 (standard), 50, and 80 minutes. As always,
Lightning Talks will be presented on the last day of the conference, but the
call for these will be announced as we get closer to the conference date.

At this time, we are accepting presentation abstracts via e-mail
(abstracts-na at yapc.org). Once the ACT-hosted site goes live, you will be
able to submit via the website (or e-mail if you'd like). Please include a
title, expected talk time, and any special presentation requirements with
your abstract. All rooms will have a projector and a microphone.

Upon submission, you should receive a confirmation within a week. If not,
please resubmit. If you encounter any problems or have any questions, please
feel free to contact us at help-na at yapc.org. Authors of accepted
presentations will be contacted via email by April 25th.

See official posting at the YAPC::NA <http://www.yapc.org/America> site.

From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Tue Jan 30 15:57:21 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:57:21 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] february 7th, beer and food!
Message-ID: <20070130235721.GB673@knight.local>


Fah!  The entire month of January, we did not get food and beer!  I grow
restless.  One week from tomorrow, I demand that we will meet for both.

I am famished just thinking about it.

Venue suggestions?  Machts Gute, again?  JP McGrady's?  Penn?  I will hear
suggestions, but I will not go another month with no beer and food!

February 5th is the deadline for OSCON talk proposals, so hopefully I will have
some things submitted and I can beg for input.  I might want some help with
some ideas I have for this mixing I really want to write, too... I keep staring
at it and feeling totally dead inside.

That is all!

-- 
rjbs