From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Tue Aug 1 10:18:36 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:18:36 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] for tom: commiting hates against win32 software Message-ID: <20060801171836.GA5249@zodiac.codesimply.com> Everyone seems to like Spreadsheet::ParseExcel, but I was always wary. When I had to deal with Excel, I was using Win32::OLE, which let Excel deal with it for me. Oh, Win32::OLE... I love you. http://nick.hates-software.com/2006/08/01/548c9563.html Apparently ParseExcel does some really GENIUS stuff when transcoding. By the way, we.hates-software.com is a great list. Consider reading it! :) -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Houston reports their bid is in. No word yet on the remainder of the field. The winner is to be announced by September 1, the same day YAPC::Europe ends in Birmingham and they announce where YAPC::Europe will be next year. I will be there so we might want to consider putting together a Lightning Talk size presentation to invite them here next year. - Geoff From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Thu Aug 3 09:15:55 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:15:55 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] hey ted: haskell book? Message-ID: <20060803161555.GA28993@zodiac.codesimply.com> Ted: You said you'd played with Haskell; did you say there was some book you read? If so, what was it? -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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" -- Robert M Pirsig From fiedlert at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 09:18:48 2006 From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:18:48 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] hey ted: haskell book? In-Reply-To: <20060803161555.GA28993@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20060803161555.GA28993@zodiac.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <814422ce0608030918j516fb79fq28b9095772ef6b47@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/06, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > Ted: > > You said you'd played with Haskell; did you say there was some book you read? > If so, what was it? > Haskell: The craft of functional programming. I can bring it to the next meeting if you'd like. > -- > rjbs Ted -- "You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. " -- Robert M Pirsig From faber at linuxnj.com Tue Aug 15 13:56:49 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:56:49 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] Am I brilliant or what? Message-ID: <20060815205649.GA30188@neptune.faber.nom> I'm writing a bunch of reports in Perl. Eventually, I'm going to have to write a portal so the end-user can go in, select a report to run, fill in the appropriate parameters, etc. The portal will be written in RoR. My idea is to place an XML block of code in at the beginning of each Perl script inside of the POD with that looks something like this: My Title myProgram.pl Start Date --startdate= End Date --enddate= and so on. Whenever the client selects the report title from the drop down list, RoR fetches the file, parses the DOM for the xml tidbits, and generates a custom screen via XHTML. The user fills everything in, submits it and RoR executes the program. What do you all think? Am I brilliant or what? :-) -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Tue Aug 15 14:04:57 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:04:57 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] Am I brilliant or what? In-Reply-To: <20060815205649.GA30188@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20060815205649.GA30188@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20060815210457.GA25889@zodiac.codesimply.com> * "Faber J. Fedor" [2006-08-15T16:56:49] > My idea is to place an XML block of code in at the beginning of each > Perl script inside of the POD with that looks something like this: Why not put it in the __DATA__ section? > Consider YAML. > What do you all think? Am I brilliant or what? :-) Sounds good! -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Am I brilliant or what? :-) > > Sounds good! I'll take that as "Yes, you're brilliant!". :-) -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Tue Aug 15 20:27:28 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:27:28 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] Am I brilliant or what? In-Reply-To: <20060815221033.GB30188@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20060815205649.GA30188@neptune.faber.nom> <20060815210457.GA25889@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060815221033.GB30188@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20060816032728.GB25889@zodiac.codesimply.com> * "Faber J. Fedor" [2006-08-15T18:10:33] > On 15/08/06 17:04 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > Why not put it in the __DATA__ section? > > And that gets me what wrt RoR? Even easier to find: read until /^__DATA__$/. Then, if you want to see the data in Perl sometime, you can, easily, too. Basically: it uses an existing tool that either makes things easier or no harder, but doesn't abuse or use strangely any existing system (POD). -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060815/d0eecb72/attachment.bin From faber at linuxnj.com Thu Aug 17 16:07:49 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:07:49 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! Message-ID: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> Well, I finally broke down and bought one of the low-end Macbooks. Actually, it's the bottom end Macbook; since I'm going to upgrade the memory anyway the 10% increase in processor speed between the two bottom tiers didn't account for much. Oh, and I bought an iPod too. So, what neat stuff do I need to add to this little guy? What's the Mac equivalent of apt-get and where do I find a real terminal program (like Konsole)? The software update takes forever! Hey! it's got screen! And vim! I'm impressed! Those and bash and I'm ready to hack the system. Rick, you showed me something where the GUI itself...disappeared and was replaced by something else (you did show it to me after a few beers remember)...kinda like the LookingGlass (?) extension to X that Novell has done (3-D cube interface, etc.). What was that? I tried explaining it to the sales gal but she had no clue as to what I was talking about? And where did you get your memory from? I'm look at 4Allmemory.com, 2 G for 230 USD. The sales gal knew her stuff, but when I told her I was a Linux geek and spent most of my time at the command-line, she knew she ws going to have a difficult time trying to impress me. :-) Now, to figure out this file system hierarchy... -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Thu Aug 17 18:43:56 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:43:56 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> * "Faber J. Fedor" [2006-08-17T19:07:49] > Well, I finally broke down and bought one of the low-end Macbooks. > Actually, it's the bottom end Macbook; since I'm going to upgrade the > memory anyway the 10% increase in processor speed between the two bottom > tiers didn't account for much. Oh, and I bought an iPod too. The bottom two tiers differ in a larger regard: the middle one goes from CD-RW/DVD-ROM to DVD-RW. > So, what neat stuff do I need to add to this little guy? What's the Mac > equivalent of apt-get and where do I find a real terminal program (like > Konsole)? Terminal.app is what you get, and it's just fine, for most use, imo. Just fix its settings. Some people like Fink or DarwinPorts, which are apt-like. I use neither. > The software update takes forever! Yeah, but only the first time. > Hey! it's got screen! And vim! I'm impressed! Those and bash and I'm > ready to hack the system. And ruby! And other stuff! > Rick, you showed me something where the GUI itself...disappeared and was > replaced by something else (you did show it to me after a few beers > remember)...kinda like the LookingGlass (?) extension to X that Novell has > done (3-D cube interface, etc.). What was that? I tried explaining it > to the sales gal but she had no clue as to what I was talking about? I have no idea. QuickSilver? quicksilver.blacktree.com I'll send another email shortly with all the software I suggest. > And where did you get your memory from? I'm look at 4Allmemory.com, 2 G > for 230 USD. Newegg http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/1301 > Now, to figure out this file system hierarchy... All the important stuff makes sense. ~/Library and /Library are the only basically weird things. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060817/5af6f36f/attachment.bin From rGeoffrey at PlatypiVentures.com Thu Aug 17 18:45:48 2006 From: rGeoffrey at PlatypiVentures.com (R. Geoffrey Avery) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:45:48 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] Problems with YAPC::Philadelphia Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060817194942.02469868@mail.PlatypiVentures.com> Bad news Team, At this point Rutgers has not yet been able to confirm that we would have wireless that works they way we need it (more than a class C and enough ports open like IRC). But more alarming is this passage in today's email from their conference coordinator... My larger concern, at this juncture, is an anticipated renovation to our Dining Services to commence in the spring with work extending through the summer. At this point in the discussions with the contractor, we do not know what impact this will be on our services. I am not saying that we will not be able to accommodate your event, but at this point I would not want to commit to space in the Center and/or catering for that many guests. With these and a few other problems I am ready to pull our proposal. If it works for you I am going to post this as our official response on http://news.perlfoundation.org/... It is with much regret that Philly.pm and ABE.pm withdraw our proposal to host YAPC::NA 2007 at Rutgers-Camden. Next spring they will be renovating their dining operations along with parts of the Campus Center and are not able to commit to some of the space and services we need. Rather than risk a poor YAPC we will wait until we have a complete venue. We look forward to YAPC::NA in either Boston or Houston in 2007. If anyone can spin this a little better please share. - Geoff From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 18:48:38 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:48:38 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <49d805d70608171848l138fb8dcg9a180cae64f59c0d@mail.gmail.com> > So, what neat stuff do I need to add to this little guy? What's the Mac > equivalent of apt-get and where do I find a real terminal program (like > Konsole)? * Fink - ports of unix software * Adium - chat client that spans services * Desktop Manager - multiple desktops * Fugu - sftp client * Growl - messages * iTerm - a better terminal * Monolingual - save some space if you only speak one language * NeoOffice - Open Office port * OmniGraffle - Visio-like software * OmniOutliner - outliner program * Scribus - layout program * Simultron - text editor * SoundFlower - reroute audio channels * SubEthaEdit - collaborative editor * TextWrangler - text editor * VLC - media player * WhatSize - where has all of your space gone * XShelf - cool copy/paste From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Thu Aug 17 19:08:43 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:08:43 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <49d805d70608171848l138fb8dcg9a180cae64f59c0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <49d805d70608171848l138fb8dcg9a180cae64f59c0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060818020843.GC27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> * Joshua McAdams [2006-08-17T21:48:38] > * Fink - ports of unix software I use a few pieces of software that need compiling, but I just compile them: GNU coreutils, wget, and mutt. Oh, and perl. > * Adium - chat client that spans services I always use Adium, although AOL broke it today. > * Desktop Manager - multiple desktops I think most people now prefer Virtue Desktops. > * Fugu - sftp client I prefer scp... but if forced, I'd use Cyberduck instead of Fugu. > * iTerm - a better terminal I can't agree. I used iTerm for years, but I have given up. It is too unstable, randomly uses too many resources, and has too many little bugs. > * OmniGraffle - Visio-like software > * OmniOutliner - outliner program Both are fantastic. > * SubEthaEdit - collaborative editor an excellent tool for hacking with others > * VLC - media player > * WhatSize - where has all of your space gone I use both of those quite a lot. From my "essential software" folder: * AntiRSI - reminds you to take typing breaks * Firefox * iPodDisk - lets you look at the musical contents of your iPod sanely * LiteSwitchX - gives you a better Cmd-Tab switcher * MenuMeters - puts cpu/network/etc meters in the menu bar * NetNewsWire - the world's best news aggregator * offlineimap - sync IMAP<->Maildir * Parallels Desktop - totally great virtual machine * QuickSilver - does everything * ServiceScrubber - lets you edit the Services menu * SSHKeychain - GUI to ssh agent * SuperDuper! - backups * Synergy - iTunes hotkeys and other stuff * TerminalColors (requires SIMBL) - redefine RGB values for terminal colors -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fedor" [2006-08-17T19:07:49] > > Well, I finally broke down and bought one of the low-end Macbooks. > > Actually, it's the bottom end Macbook; since I'm going to upgrade the > > memory anyway the 10% increase in processor speed between the two bottom > > tiers didn't account for much. Oh, and I bought an iPod too. > > The bottom two tiers differ in a larger regard: the middle one goes from > CD-RW/DVD-ROM to DVD-RW. Since I've never burned a DVD on a laptop (and rarely on my desktop other than for backups) that was a non-issue for me. > > So, what neat stuff do I need to add to this little guy? What's the Mac > > equivalent of apt-get and where do I find a real terminal program (like > > Konsole)? > > Terminal.app is what you get, and it's just fine, for most use, imo. Just fix > its settings. I like Konsole's (and before that SuperTerm's) tabbed sessions. I'd rather switch tabs than windows when taking care of multiple clients. > Some people like Fink or DarwinPorts, which are apt-like. I use neither. I've seen those. I don't think either is ready for x86 prime time, though. > > Hey! it's got screen! And vim! I'm impressed! Those and bash and I'm > > ready to hack the system. > > And ruby! You're right! Cool! > > Rick, you showed me something where the GUI itself...disappeared and was > > replaced by something else (you did show it to me after a few beers > > remember)...kinda like the LookingGlass (?) extension to X that Novell has > > done (3-D cube interface, etc.). What was that? I tried explaining it > > to the sales gal but she had no clue as to what I was talking about? > > I have no idea. QuickSilver? quicksilver.blacktree.com They don't show any screenshots, so I'm not sure. I'm not goingto install anything new on this machine until I get some decent memory. > > And where did you get your memory from? I'm look at 4Allmemory.com, 2 G > > for 230 USD. > > http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/1301 Sweet! Thanks. Surprisingly, I don't find the iPod/iTunes stuff all that intuitive, but I bet I'm "using it right". I've got podcasts listed under music, video podcasts listed under video AND podcasts (the former playing the video and the latter playing only the audio) and a few other "weird" things. The big test will be tomorrow, in my back yard, hacking my latest code on a remote server. -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From faber at linuxnj.com Thu Aug 17 19:29:44 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:29:44 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <49d805d70608171848l138fb8dcg9a180cae64f59c0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <49d805d70608171848l138fb8dcg9a180cae64f59c0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060818022943.GB6301@neptune.faber.nom> On 17/08/06 20:48 -0500, Joshua McAdams wrote: > > So, what neat stuff do I need to add to this little guy? What's the Mac > > equivalent of apt-get and where do I find a real terminal program (like > > Konsole)? > > * Fink - ports of unix software > * Adium - chat client that spans services I don't do much chatting. Maybe I should start? > * Desktop Manager - multiple desktops The salesgal made it a point I could have those. I chuckled "Well, Mac is catching up to Linux!" > * Growl - messages :-? I look into it. > * Monolingual - save some space if you only speak one language > * NeoOffice - Open Office port Cool! I was thinking I'd like to do a presentation on my desktop (FC3) and run it on my macbook! The macbook remote control might actually be useful! > * Simultron - text editor I've got Vim. What more is there? :-) > * TextWrangler - text editor See above. > * VLC - media player :-? Isn't that like Xine (on Linux)? Why would I need a media player on a Mac? Is that what Macs are noted for? > * WhatSize - where has all of your space gone That sounds useful. -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Thu Aug 17 19:30:39 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:30:39 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818021125.GF10260@mawode.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818021125.GF10260@mawode.com> Message-ID: <20060818023039.GD27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> * Walt Mankowski [2006-08-17T22:11:25] > On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 09:43:56PM -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > Some people like Fink or DarwinPorts, which are apt-like. I use neither. > > Wow, you don't use either? There were a bunch of missing utilities I > just couldn't do without, like subversion, GNU's ls, and an emacs that > runs in an X window. What do you do about things like that? Do you > install things from source? GNU ls is in GNU coreutils, which I compile. I don't use emacs. Subversion comes with SVK, which is available as an Apple-style installer. I only compile-from-source GNU coreutils, wget, mutt, and perl. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yeah, I only use it for backups. > > Terminal.app is what you get, and it's just fine, for most use, imo. Just > > fix its settings. > > I like Konsole's (and before that SuperTerm's) tabbed sessions. I'd > rather switch tabs than windows when taking care of multiple clients. I use screen and two windows. > > I have no idea. QuickSilver? quicksilver.blacktree.com > > They don't show any screenshots, so I'm not sure. I'm not goingto > install anything new on this machine until I get some decent memory. Install Quicksilver. Seriously. > Surprisingly, I don't find the iPod/iTunes stuff all that intuitive, but > I bet I'm "using it right". I've got podcasts listed under music, video > podcasts listed under video AND podcasts (the former playing the video > and the latter playing only the audio) and a few other "weird" things. I don't use iTunes for anything that is cast. I use NNW. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There were a bunch of missing utilities I > > just couldn't do without, like subversion, GNU's ls, and an emacs that > > runs in an X window. What do you do about things like that? Do you > > install things from source? > > GNU ls is in GNU coreutils, which I compile. I don't use emacs. Subversion > comes with SVK, which is available as an Apple-style installer. > > I only compile-from-source GNU coreutils, wget, mutt, and perl. I've also got a bunch of packages I've installed for various class projects, such as ImageMagick, MPlayer, gnuplot, graphviz, gsl, ghostscript, and tetex. You install enough of these sorts of things, it's nice to have a package manager to, er, manage them. Also, using Debian for a while gives the the feeling that you should never have to compile anything from source. :) Walt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm going to stick with my linux box to do email for now. The OSX perl isn't A Proper Perl? -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From faber at linuxnj.com Thu Aug 17 19:49:35 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:49:35 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818024024.GG10260@mawode.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818021125.GF10260@mawode.com> <20060818023039.GD27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818024024.GG10260@mawode.com> Message-ID: <20060818024935.GB6422@neptune.faber.nom> On 17/08/06 22:40 -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote: > I've also got a bunch of packages I've installed for various class > projects, Which is why I needed a new laptop. My old Dell Inspiron is maxed out at 256M and I needed to run VMware and some other cool stuff during a recent class and couldn't. :-( > such as ImageMagick, MPlayer, gnuplot, graphviz, gsl, > ghostscript, and tetex. You install enough of these sorts of things, > it's nice to have a package manager to, er, manage them. Also, using > Debian for a while gives the the feeling that you should never have to > compile anything from source. :) graphviz doesn't do much for me (could never get decent printed (dead tree or PDF) output from it) but compiling all that other stuff from source sounds would be a PITA. -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From faber at linuxnj.com Thu Aug 17 19:53:47 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:53:47 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818023214.GE27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818023214.GE27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <20060818025347.GC6422@neptune.faber.nom> On 17/08/06 22:32 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > * "Faber J. Fedor" [2006-08-17T22:23:03] > > I like Konsole's (and before that SuperTerm's) tabbed sessions. I'd > > rather switch tabs than windows when taking care of multiple clients. > > I use screen and two windows. *Two* windows? I might be able to get away with two windows on a Sunday afternoon. I normally have seven tabs open in Konsole and each of those is running screen. > Install Quicksilver. Seriously. Right after the new memory and VMware. > > Surprisingly, I don't find the iPod/iTunes stuff all that intuitive, but > > I bet I'm "using it right". I've got podcasts listed under music, video > > podcasts listed under video AND podcasts (the former playing the video > > and the latter playing only the audio) and a few other "weird" things. > > I don't use iTunes for anything that is cast. I use NNW. Never heard of it. I'll look into it. Thanks. -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Thu Aug 17 20:05:28 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:05:28 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818024611.GA6422@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818021125.GF10260@mawode.com> <20060818023039.GD27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818024611.GA6422@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20060818030528.GF27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> * "Faber J. Fedor" [2006-08-17T22:46:11] > On 17/08/06 22:30 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > GNU ls is in GNU coreutils, which I compile. > > What's the diff between GNU ls and OSX ls? I just ran a few examples > lses (sp?) and I don't see a diff. color support, for one thing. > > I only compile-from-source GNU coreutils, wget, mutt, and perl. > > wget is a must. Just yesterday I was saying, "Why the heck isn't wget included?" > I'm going to stick with my linux box to do email for now. Oh, another thing preinstalled on your mac? postfix. I use offlineimap, mutt, and postfix to read/write mail on my commute. > The OSX perl isn't A Proper Perl? It's really perl, but it uses the /Library structure, etc. I recompile a new perl as soon as I install OS X so that, when a new perl version comes out, I can install that and nothing much changes. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You install enough of these sorts of things, > it's nice to have a package manager to, er, manage them. Also, using > Debian for a while gives the the feeling that you should never have to > compile anything from source. :) I use Graphviz.app, which is old but sufficient. I actually don't use the GUI much, but it has the cli tools in it. I haven't had LaTeX on my Mac for a while. There used to be some ridiculous i-Installer thing to install it. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060817/077e3bcb/attachment.bin From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Thu Aug 17 20:08:18 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:08:18 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818025347.GC6422@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818023214.GE27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818025347.GC6422@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20060818030818.GH27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> * "Faber J. Fedor" [2006-08-17T22:53:47] > > Install Quicksilver. Seriously. > > Right after the new memory and VMware. Without QS, you might as well close the thing back up and stick it on a shelf. ;) -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> On Aug 17, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Faber J. Fedor wrote: > > Surprisingly, I don't find the iPod/iTunes stuff all that > intuitive, but > I bet I'm "using it right". I've got podcasts listed under music, > video > podcasts listed under video AND podcasts (the former playing the video > and the latter playing only the audio) and a few other "weird" things. You have an iPod, you want to use iTunes. Trust me :) From faber at linuxnj.com Fri Aug 18 05:47:31 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:47:31 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: <300ccfa50608180547v3744d8e5l86e4e91ac747ca15@mail.gmail.com> On 8/18/06, Steve Lidie wrote: > > > On Aug 17, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Faber J. Fedor wrote: > > > > > Surprisingly, I don't find the iPod/iTunes stuff all that > > intuitive, but > > I bet I'm "using it right". That should read "I bet I'm *not* "using it right"". > I've got podcasts listed under music, > > video > > podcasts listed under video AND podcasts (the former playing the video > > and the latter playing only the audio) and a few other "weird" things. > > You have an iPod, you want to use iTunes. Trust me :) That's what I'm doin'! So far, it's weird! 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I've pretty much given up on buying things at iTMS. I just don't want to lose my music because they suck. That said, iTunes playlists, especially smart playlists, and its gathering of metadata from my iPod, make it indispensible. When I see people using mp3 players that don't do things like track ratings or play count, I feel pity. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060818/0b3c6db7/attachment.bin From rhkramer at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 06:18:21 2006 From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:18:21 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: <200608180918.22107.rhkramer@gmail.com> On Friday 18 August 2006 08:30 am, Steve Lidie wrote: > On Aug 17, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Faber J. Fedor wrote: > > Surprisingly, I don't find the iPod/iTunes stuff all that > > intuitive, but > > I bet I'm "using it right". I've got podcasts listed under music, > > video > > podcasts listed under video AND podcasts (the former playing the video > > and the latter playing only the audio) and a few other "weird" things. > > You have an iPod, you want to use iTunes. Trust me :) iirc/iiuc, when you buy songs from iTunes, you get only the rights to play that song on an iPod (and have a limited number of transfers (3?) between iPods, if you upgrade or get a warranty replacement or similar). (And, iirc, the iPod format is "non-standard" (i.e., neither mp3 nor oggvorbis). I would think twice before sinking much money into an iTunes collection. (Of course, I don't know if an iPod can handle a more standard format.) Randy Kramer From faber at linuxnj.com Fri Aug 18 06:28:55 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:28:55 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818125932.GB17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> <300ccfa50608180547v3744d8e5l86e4e91ac747ca15@mail.gmail.com> <20060818125932.GB17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <300ccfa50608180628u3732a3ddx7d371d80bd726816@mail.gmail.com> On 8/18/06, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > Ha. I've pretty much given up on buying things at iTMS. I just don't > want to > lose my music because they suck. That said, iTunes playlists, especially > smart > playlists, and its gathering of metadata from my iPod, make it > indispensible. I'm looking forward to working with those if I can figure out howto invoke them. Right now I'm trying to figure out how to get my podcasts updates once a day at some time other than 8 PM. When I see people using mp3 players that don't do things like track ratings > or > play count, I feel pity. Kinda like Amarok? I liked that player but it was too buggy on FC3. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060818/582f7b7f/attachment.html From faber at linuxnj.com Fri Aug 18 06:30:31 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:30:31 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <200608180918.22107.rhkramer@gmail.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> <200608180918.22107.rhkramer@gmail.com> Message-ID: <300ccfa50608180630y4063eb42g69098b068b0f4ef7@mail.gmail.com> On 8/18/06, Randy Kramer wrote: > I would think twice before sinking much money into an iTunes > collection. (Of > course, I don't know if an iPod can handle a more standard format.) It handles MP3s just fine. Ogg apparently not though. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060818/6f930b40/attachment.html From sol0 at Lehigh.EDU Fri Aug 18 06:40:37 2006 From: sol0 at Lehigh.EDU (Steve Lidie) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:40:37 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <200608180918.22107.rhkramer@gmail.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> <200608180918.22107.rhkramer@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C022651-5625-4392-A129-B334A5CF52C4@lehigh.edu> On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:18 AM, Randy Kramer wrote: > On Friday 18 August 2006 08:30 am, Steve Lidie wrote: >> On Aug 17, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Faber J. Fedor wrote: >>> Surprisingly, I don't find the iPod/iTunes stuff all that >>> intuitive, but >>> I bet I'm "using it right". I've got podcasts listed under music, >>> video >>> podcasts listed under video AND podcasts (the former playing the >>> video >>> and the latter playing only the audio) and a few other "weird" >>> things. >> >> You have an iPod, you want to use iTunes. Trust me :) > > iirc/iiuc, when you buy songs from iTunes, you get only the rights > to play > that song on an iPod (and have a limited number of transfers (3?) > between > iPods, if you upgrade or get a warranty replacement or similar). > (And, iirc, > the iPod format is "non-standard" (i.e., neither mp3 nor oggvorbis). > > I would think twice before sinking much money into an iTunes > collection. (Of > course, I don't know if an iPod can handle a more standard format.) First, one can use the ITMS w/o purchasing music. But the rights to copy (and share, via optical media or over the air) *purchased music* are very generous, far more than "normal" people need. You can load your *purchased music* to an unlimited number of iPods. Of course there are no restriction whatsoever on ripped music, and you can tell iTunes to rip in MP3 format rather than AAC. But almost everyone agrees that AAC wins over MP3. From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Fri Aug 18 06:49:22 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:49:22 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <200608180918.22107.rhkramer@gmail.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> <200608180918.22107.rhkramer@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060818134922.GC17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> * Randy Kramer [2006-08-18T09:18:21] > iirc/iiuc, when you buy songs from iTunes, you get only the rights to play > that song on an iPod (and have a limited number of transfers (3?) between > iPods, if you upgrade or get a warranty replacement or similar). (And, iirc, > the iPod format is "non-standard" (i.e., neither mp3 nor oggvorbis). You are wrong. You can authorize up to about five devices. You can also deauthorize devices. If you get a replacement device, Apple will deauthorize the replaced one. In fact, they just did that for me when I had my laptop serviced. I have had three laptops and four ipods on my account over the years. My iPod is full mostly of mp3s. It plays them. It does not play Ogg Vorbis, as it can't. iTunes can, if you get a plugin. I don't know what you mean by "the iPod format," but maybe you mean the format in which iTunes Music Store sells music, it is AAC. AAC is an open format which can be used by other stuff -- though it rarely is. The DRM is an add-on, and is called FairPlay. That, like pretty much all DRMs, is not an open standard. The only real worries with iTunes Music Store stuff should be: 1. You are stuck using iTunes and iPod. This is not a problem, in my opinion, but it is a limitation on your life. 2. If Apple decides to pull iTMS (or goes under), you may be hosed. This seems wildly unlikely. 3. If you lose the actual files, you are out of luck. This has happened to people I know. It sucks. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060818/16ac9fc1/attachment-0001.bin From sol0 at Lehigh.EDU Fri Aug 18 06:32:09 2006 From: sol0 at Lehigh.EDU (Steve Lidie) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:32:09 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818125932.GB17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> <300ccfa50608180547v3744d8e5l86e4e91ac747ca15@mail.gmail.com> <20060818125932.GB17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <681D61C7-0FF8-422B-B206-5EEE4D2695E5@lehigh.edu> On Aug 18, 2006, at 8:59 AM, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > * Faber Fedor [2006-08-18T08:47:31] >>> You have an iPod, you want to use iTunes. Trust me :) >> >> That's what I'm doin'! So far, it's weird! Maybe if I buy >> something it will >> straighten out. :-) > > Ha. I've pretty much given up on buying things at iTMS. I just > don't want to > lose my music because they suck. I, on the other hand, buy lots of stuff there, music and spoken content (podcasts too, but they are free). But the ITMS really shines when I'm in the middle of some iMovie or iDVD project and I need an audio background track. I can always find something appropriate and I get it instantly. Oh, and there's the free tune-of-the-week every Tuesday :) But don't forget to backup purchased music. Speaking of backups, which there was but one passing remark: do backups. I use Retrospect but that is overkill for most folks. Carbon Copy Cloner is a long time favorite for cloning your boot disk to an external media, which then itself becomes a bootable copy. SuerDuper is gathering steam as its replacement. There's also Apple's Disk Utility which allows you to image your machine - see me offline for details on that one - it's used mostly for deploying images. > That said, iTunes playlists, especially smart > playlists, and its gathering of metadata from my iPod, make it > indispensible. > When I see people using mp3 players that don't do things like track > ratings or > play count, I feel pity. 100% agreement there. Oh, and what type of iPod? USB or FireWire? My nano is my music iPod, my old 40 GB FireWire model is now just an external disk I used to carry images around ... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <681D61C7-0FF8-422B-B206-5EEE4D2695E5@lehigh.edu> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> <300ccfa50608180547v3744d8e5l86e4e91ac747ca15@mail.gmail.com> <20060818125932.GB17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> <681D61C7-0FF8-422B-B206-5EEE4D2695E5@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: <20060818140121.GD17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> * Steve Lidie [2006-08-18T09:32:09] > >That said, iTunes playlists, especially smart playlists, and its gathering > >of metadata from my iPod, make it indispensible. When I see people using > >mp3 players that don't do things like track ratings or play count, I feel > >pity. > > Oh, and what type of iPod? USB or FireWire? My nano is my music > iPod, my old 40 GB FireWire model is now just an external disk I used > to carry images around ... I have a G3 iPod: 40 GB, touch wheel, firewire. I am really psyched about these rumors of a 120 GB iPod, now that Samsung (Samsung?) has the new drives. I have about 109 GB of music, so that would be ideal! I'll wait and see and maybe get a new one. I also have a 1GB iPod Shuffle, which I use more and more. I put unrated music of non-weird genres on my iPod, and rate them while I listen. Then I have a complex, compound Smart Playlist, based on play count, last played, and ratings, that populates my Shuffle. It's a nice synergy. I just wish there was an easier way to tell iTunes that a playlist should not have more than X tracks or Y percent of one artist. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20060818140121.GD17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> <300ccfa50608180547v3744d8e5l86e4e91ac747ca15@mail.gmail.com> <20060818125932.GB17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> <681D61C7-0FF8-422B-B206-5EEE4D2695E5@lehigh.edu> <20060818140121.GD17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <9FAAF94C-66E4-4AE3-B487-F16452843F0C@lehigh.edu> On Aug 18, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > I just wish there was an easier way to tell iTunes that a playlist > should not > have more than X tracks or Y percent of one artist. Now maybe back on topic for the group: sounds like you should write a Perl filter to generate a compatible subset of a playlist digestible by iTunes :) From faber at linuxnj.com Fri Aug 18 07:50:13 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:50:13 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <9FAAF94C-66E4-4AE3-B487-F16452843F0C@lehigh.edu> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> <300ccfa50608180547v3744d8e5l86e4e91ac747ca15@mail.gmail.com> <20060818125932.GB17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> <681D61C7-0FF8-422B-B206-5EEE4D2695E5@lehigh.edu> <20060818140121.GD17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> <9FAAF94C-66E4-4AE3-B487-F16452843F0C@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: <300ccfa50608180750u771f9dc7k3daf549ce4845b2f@mail.gmail.com> On 8/18/06, Steve Lidie wrote: > > > On Aug 18, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > > > > I just wish there was an easier way to tell iTunes that a playlist > > should not > > have more than X tracks or Y percent of one artist. > > Now maybe back on topic for the group: sounds like you should write > a Perl filter to generate a compatible subset of a playlist > digestible by iTunes :) Or how about a program that will mass add the ID3 tags to MP3s that don't have any using FreeDB? I'm not seeing anything that will run under linux to do that, but it seems Perl has a couple of libraries that can be used to do that. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060818/88fa2d14/attachment.html From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Fri Aug 18 08:27:25 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:27:25 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <9FAAF94C-66E4-4AE3-B487-F16452843F0C@lehigh.edu> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818022302.GA6301@neptune.faber.nom> <6AB1A3EB-1B6E-4C6E-995A-14D08FDEEF11@lehigh.edu> <300ccfa50608180547v3744d8e5l86e4e91ac747ca15@mail.gmail.com> <20060818125932.GB17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> <681D61C7-0FF8-422B-B206-5EEE4D2695E5@lehigh.edu> <20060818140121.GD17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> <9FAAF94C-66E4-4AE3-B487-F16452843F0C@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: <20060818152724.GF17120@zodiac.codesimply.com> * Steve Lidie [2006-08-18T10:12:56] > > I just wish there was an easier way to tell iTunes that a playlist should > > not have more than X tracks or Y percent of one artist. > > Now maybe back on topic for the group: sounds like you should write > a Perl filter to generate a compatible subset of a playlist > digestible by iTunes :) I've started to do so once or twice. The problem is that the existing Perl iTunes data reader wasn't so good. I couldn't use the XML because the Apple plist XML format is pathological. I couldn't use AppleScript because iTunes' apple events are slow. :-/ -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060818/7d34d4eb/attachment.bin From waltman at pobox.com Fri Aug 18 08:39:30 2006 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:39:30 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818024935.GB6422@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818021125.GF10260@mawode.com> <20060818023039.GD27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818024024.GG10260@mawode.com> <20060818024935.GB6422@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20060818153930.GC27450@mawode.com> On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 10:49:35PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote: > graphviz doesn't do much for me (could never get decent printed (dead > tree or PDF) output from it) but compiling all that other stuff from > source sounds would be a PITA. I'm not sure if you can do PDF directly, but it's easy to get it to produce postscript or image files. For example, if you've got the layout for a directed graph in foo.dot, you can create foo.ps with the command % dot -Tps foo.dot -o foo.ps That's what I usually do, because then it's easy to insert it into a LaTeX document. If you wanted to create a JPEG, you'd just change the options to % dot -Tjpg foo.dot -o foo.jpg Walt From waltman at pobox.com Fri Aug 18 08:44:39 2006 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:44:39 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818030528.GF27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818021125.GF10260@mawode.com> <20060818023039.GD27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818024611.GA6422@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818030528.GF27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <20060818154439.GD27450@mawode.com> On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 11:05:28PM -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > * "Faber J. Fedor" [2006-08-17T22:46:11] > > On 17/08/06 22:30 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > > GNU ls is in GNU coreutils, which I compile. > > > > What's the diff between GNU ls and OSX ls? I just ran a few examples > > lses (sp?) and I don't see a diff. > > color support, for one thing. I think that was what I wanted with ls. But I really just used ls as an example. You get used to all the gnu versions of the commands when you're on linux, and most of them have a lot more features than their BSD equivalents. > > The OSX perl isn't A Proper Perl? > > It's really perl, but it uses the /Library structure, etc. I recompile a new > perl as soon as I install OS X so that, when a new perl version comes out, I > can install that and nothing much changes. That's pretty much my approach on my Debian box, but I find I don't use perl as much on OS X so it hasn't really been an issue for me yet. Walt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fedor wrote: > > graphviz doesn't do much for me (could never get decent printed (dead > > tree or PDF) output from it) but compiling all that other stuff from > > source sounds would be a PITA. > > I'm not sure if you can do PDF directly, but it's easy to get it to > produce postscript or image files. Oh, I can get it to do that. What I can'tget is a nice layout. What comes out is always several sheets that have to be taped together. For example, if you've got the > layout for a directed graph in foo.dot, you can create foo.ps with the > command > > % dot -Tps foo.dot -o foo.ps > > That's what I usually do, because then it's easy to insert it into a > LaTeX document. If you wanted to create a JPEG, you'd just change > the options to > > % dot -Tjpg foo.dot -o foo.jpg > > Walt > _______________________________________________ > ABE-pm mailing list > ABE-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/abe-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060818/6d80fa38/attachment.html From waltman at pobox.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:31 2006 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:52:31 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818030631.GG27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818021125.GF10260@mawode.com> <20060818023039.GD27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818024024.GG10260@mawode.com> <20060818030631.GG27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <20060818155231.GE27450@mawode.com> On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 11:06:32PM -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > I use Graphviz.app, which is old but sufficient. I actually don't use the GUI > much, but it has the cli tools in it. I tried the gui once but it didn't seem terribly useful. Graphviz is really just a little language for creating graphs. It doesn't feel all that weird (at least to me) to "compile" it to postscript then look at it in gv. Also doing it this way has the advantage of being the same way you'd use it on a Linux box. > I haven't had LaTeX on my Mac for a while. There used to be some ridiculous > i-Installer thing to install it. Yeah, there seem to a whole bunch of different versions of LaTeX for the Mac. The main advantage of using tetex to me is its similarity to using it on Linux. No matter which LaTeX you've got, once you have it installed you can use cool tools like LaTeXiT[1]. Walt 1. http://ktd.club.fr/programmation/latexit_en.php -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060818/27a5a5d2/attachment-0001.bin From waltman at pobox.com Fri Aug 18 08:57:01 2006 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:57:01 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <300ccfa50608180846h77e294bdk2ac8911370b9306f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818021125.GF10260@mawode.com> <20060818023039.GD27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818024024.GG10260@mawode.com> <20060818024935.GB6422@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818153930.GC27450@mawode.com> <300ccfa50608180846h77e294bdk2ac8911370b9306f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060818155701.GF27450@mawode.com> On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 11:46:22AM -0400, Faber Fedor wrote: > Oh, I can get it to do that. What I can'tget is a nice layout. What comes > out is always several sheets that have to be taped together. Yeah, that's a problem with big graphs. What you want to use then is the size attribute. For example, size="7,7"; sets the graph's size to 7x7 inches, and scales everything accordingly. Walt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I actually don't > > use the GUI much, but it has the cli tools in it. > > I tried the gui once but it didn't seem terribly useful. Graphviz is > really just a little language for creating graphs. It doesn't feel > all that weird (at least to me) to "compile" it to postscript then > look at it in gv. Also doing it this way has the advantage of being > the same way you'd use it on a Linux box. My thoughts exactly. I only install the GUI for the sake of precompiled binaries. No real cost, otherwise. > Yeah, there seem to a whole bunch of different versions of LaTeX for > the Mac. The main advantage of using tetex to me is its similarity to > using it on Linux. I should look into reinstalling it... > No matter which LaTeX you've got, once you have it installed you can > use cool tools like LaTeXiT[1]. Holy cow! That's neat! -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My first attempt was: ==START CODE== use strict; use warnings; my $output_file; open($output_file, '>', $ARGV[1] || STDOUT) or die "$!"; #--later-- print $output_file "$data\n"; ==END CODE== This didn't work. I got a 'Bareword "STDOUT" not allowed while "strict subs" in use' error. Putting quotes around 'STDOUT' just resulted in the creation of a file named 'STDOUT' that contained my data. I got around the problem with this: ==START CODE== my $output = '>' . ($ARGV[1] || '-'); open($output_file, $output) or die "$!"; ==END CODE== Now, the above works fine, but I don't understand why the first version didn't work. Is there a way to open STDOUT with the three-arg version of open()? For the sake of completeness, I know there are several other methods I could have employed here, from using select() to change the default output channel for print() (I find that a bit too clever for such a simple script) to using a logger module (which I think would be overkill). Is there some standard idiom for this? Defaulting to STDOUT in lieu of a named output file shouldn't be such an odd thing to do, methinks. Thanks, Tom P.S. - All the Mac talk makes me nostalgic for my PowerMac 9500 w/ MacOS 8! From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org Sat Aug 19 05:58:52 2006 From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:58:52 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] Proper open() syntax? In-Reply-To: <488856AE33F91F4A881EA12F52DDC8C634191E@inbtmail1.group.iqep.com> References: <488856AE33F91F4A881EA12F52DDC8C634191E@inbtmail1.group.iqep.com> Message-ID: <20060819125852.GA2147@zodiac.codesimply.com> * Tom Freedman [2006-08-18T22:55:05] > my $output_file; > open($output_file, '>', $ARGV[1] || STDOUT) or die "$!"; > > [ ... ] > > Now, the above works fine, but I don't understand why the first version > didn't work. Is there a way to open STDOUT with the three-arg version > of open()? STDOUT is, itself, a filehandle. You can't put it in the third position of three-arg open, which must contain a filename or string reference. What you want is something like: my $output; if ($ARGV[1]) { open $output, '>', $ARGV[1] } else { $output = \*STDOUT } ...but then again, I think that the REAL way to do this is to actually use "-" as the filename or, as I would suggest, to ALWAYS print to STDOUT, and use redirection to write to a file. yourprogram script.txt > output.txt > P.S. - All the Mac talk makes me nostalgic for my PowerMac 9500 w/ MacOS > 8! I had a PowerMac 6100 and a PowerBook Duo 280c, and I worked on 7200's a BU. While they were pleasant to use, OS X is really a whole different experience. It's like a grown-up OS with a command line and an init(8)! -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/abe-pm/attachments/20060819/f7416dac/attachment.bin From faber at linuxnj.com Sat Aug 19 15:43:28 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:43:28 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] setting breakpoints in the debugger Message-ID: <20060819224328.GA14362@neptune.faber.nom> To make a short story long... I copied over MP3s of my favorite artist, Kate Bush, into iTunes to put them on my iPod. Worked great. So I coied over MP3s of my second favorite artists, Rage Against The Machine. Worked not so great. Turns out there are no ID3 tags in my RATM (and many other) MP3s. Since I'm not going to rip all of my CDs again, especially the one I sold, I looked around for a program that would put ID3 tags into MP3s and came across autotag.pl (http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-cpmp31.html) which requires WebService::FreeDB. While trying to figure out why WebService::FreeDB wouldn't install, I came across the fact that freedb.org is no more. ;-( Fortunately, you can d/l the freedb database and software, so I decided to set up a local freedb site. After many hours (mainly extracting the database) that seems to be working fine but WebService::FreeDB keeps giving me either 404 errors or no response, so I've got to debug it. Currently, to set a breakpoint at line 164 in WebService::FreeDB, I start up the autotag.pl in the Perl debugger, set a breakpoint at the first call to WebService::FreeDB, run to that breakpoint, step into the function, set a breakpoint at line 164, hit 'r' (which returns me to the calling program) and then hit 'r' again. Isn't there a better way to set the breakpint at line 164 in WebService::FreeDB from autotag.pl? And how can I save my breakponts in between debugging sessions? Also, if anyone has a better way to ID3 tag my existing MP3s, I'm all ears. -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 20:48:20 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:48:20 -0500 Subject: [ABE.pm] I'm a Mac user! In-Reply-To: <20060818020843.GC27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <49d805d70608171848l138fb8dcg9a180cae64f59c0d@mail.gmail.com> <20060818020843.GC27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70608202048u6a02674fo9fab5a5402262c82@mail.gmail.com> > > * Desktop Manager - multiple desktops > > I think most people now prefer Virtue Desktops. Never heard of it. Installed it after you sent this email. Fell in love with it within a couple of minutes! I have to say that my wife is getting tired of me showing off how I can tilt or slap my laptop to change desktops :) From faber at linuxnj.com Mon Aug 21 18:27:30 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:27:30 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] Why bother with LaTeX? [was: Re: I'm a Mac user!] In-Reply-To: <20060818155231.GE27450@mawode.com> References: <20060817230749.GD5882@neptune.faber.nom> <20060818014356.GB27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818021125.GF10260@mawode.com> <20060818023039.GD27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818024024.GG10260@mawode.com> <20060818030631.GG27587@zodiac.codesimply.com> <20060818155231.GE27450@mawode.com> Message-ID: <20060822012730.GA12834@neptune.faber.nom> On 18/08/06 11:52 -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 11:06:32PM -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > > I haven't had LaTeX on my Mac for a while. There used to be some ridiculous > > i-Installer thing to install it. > > Yeah, there seem to a whole bunch of different versions of LaTeX for > the Mac. The main advantage of using tetex to me is its similarity to > using it on Linux. > > No matter which LaTeX you've got, once you have it installed you can > use cool tools like LaTeXiT[1]. > > Walt > > 1. http://ktd.club.fr/programmation/latexit_en.php I've always wanted to play with LaTeX more than circumspectly but I could never convince myself to put in that much work. Why? I don't print all that much, don't do any equation writing :-(, what I do generate is from other apps (like invoices in QuikBooks), and most of my clients are expecting PDFs and/or Word docs. Does it make sense to learn LaTeX in that kind of enviroment? I've always thought "No" but I'm looking for a "Yes". Have you got a "Yes" for me? :-) -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From faber at linuxnj.com Mon Aug 21 18:33:19 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:33:19 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] Calling Python/Ruby from Perl Message-ID: <20060822013319.GB12834@neptune.faber.nom> I came across this way cool concept of Edward Tufte's[1] called sparklines[2] which I would LOVE to do in my reports. Some people have a web service[3] for it but they've also published the code, so I want to use their stuff instead of writing my own. Problem is, their stuff is written in Python. How do I call another program from within my perl script and get a return value? I'm hoping for something more elegant than back ticks or system(). Is there such a thing? [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_tufte [2]http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001OR&topic_id=1&topic= [3]http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2005/06/22/sparklines.html -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com From mct at toren.net Tue Aug 22 20:38:51 2006 From: mct at toren.net (Michael C. Toren) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:38:51 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] Calling Python/Ruby from Perl In-Reply-To: <20060822013319.GB12834@neptune.faber.nom> References: <20060822013319.GB12834@neptune.faber.nom> Message-ID: <20060823033851.GA25268@netisland.net> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:33:19PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote: > I came across this way cool concept of Edward Tufte's[1] called > sparklines[2] which I would LOVE to do in my reports. I remember hearing a story about this on NPR this past weekend: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5673332 The bit about the loss of Challenger and Columbia was particularly interesting. > Problem is, their stuff is written in Python. How do I call another > program from within my perl script and get a return value? I'm hoping > for something more elegant than back ticks or system(). Is there such > a thing? Hmm, what's wrong with system()? :-) You may also want to see the section on "Using open() for IPC" in the perlipc documentation. HTH, -mct From faber at linuxnj.com Mon Aug 28 17:45:40 2006 From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:45:40 -0400 Subject: [ABE.pm] LPI Level III exams to be available soon Message-ID: <20060829004540.GB25493@neptune.faber.nom> [If someone would cross-post this to the Cherry Hill LUG and others, I'd appreciate it.] The Linux Professional Insititute (LPI) is coming out with two of there Level III exams in the next month. Unlike the first two levels which test general knowledge, the Level III exams test specific areas of knowledge, specifically (LDAP and authentication) and (SAMBA with file and print services). Since these are the first releases of these exams, the LPI is looking for people to take the tests and comment on them. Each test is three hours long. If we can get enough people to take the tests, I'll rent a room and provide food (soda and pizza). Also, people participating in these tests will be eligible to take the Level II paper exams at half-price. The tests will be given FOR FREE. All you have to do is study for them; the objectives are on the web site (and when I find them, I'll post them here). I'll be getting a list of books that can be used for study material in a week. Please do not take the tests if you aren't going to study for them and make a determined effort to pass them. Note that even if you pass the Level III tests, you will NOT receive your Level III certification until you pass the Level I and II exams. In other words, you can take the Level III exams before taking the Levell I and II exams but no Level III ceritification will be given until all previous certifications have been achieved. The target date for the exam is late November at the latest. Are we interested in doing this? -- Regards, Faber Fedor President Linux New Jersey, Inc. 908-320-0357 800-706-0701 http://www.linuxnj.com